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Straker

07-29-2013, 12:07 PM

But a vote for a movie you haven't seen means nothing.

I disagree and its something I've discussed previously in this thread too.... If there is a weight of evidence to demonstrate how significant a movie is or how much impact it had on the genre we are discussing, I think a case can certainly be made for a blind backing. Its fine to give your own opinions and have a certain level of due diligence and no one is being made to conform to anyone else opinion. However, if someone can convince me of the importance and impact a movie has had on the genre, you better believe I'm going to sit up and take notice. Or do you really think that the people who have blind backed movies are doing so because they want to appear 'cool'?

It's my understanding that we are trying to vote for more than just 'our favourite' movies.... I can name a ton of movies that have immense nostalgic value to me personally that would not even come close to any of the lists I have made for this project.

I just think there is more room than people realise in this debate. Are we saying that if we had only seen 20 movies from a decade that we should list those as the top 20 movies of the decade, simply because they are the best by default? That just seems wrong.

Ultimately these lists are what they are and I don't mind how people vote or what people back or don't back, but I am going to continue backing the movies I do, despite the majority failing to get much support. I also appreciate anyone who has blind backed any movie I have supported and I don't feel the backings 'mean nothing' or have been done because they 'like me'... I hope my backings have stood on their own merit...

metternich1815

07-29-2013, 01:09 PM

I'll back War of the Worlds.

Kandarian Demon

07-29-2013, 01:10 PM

Okay, I am happy...lol...

I just want to add one more thought to this debate. These lists we create are not just amusing passtimes for us to fool around with and forget. People read them. They take them into account in their formation of opinions.

Just a few weeks ago a small press that specializes in horror fiction posted a link to our Sub-Genres of Horror list on their facebook page as a good example of horror genres. So, we have a responsibility to try and reflect some kind of reality. That's why I argue so hard in some cases. These lists are going to be around for a long time.

I get where you're coming from. I just don't agree that there's only one "right opinion" when it comes to art. If there was, it would be boring anyway!

metternich1815

07-29-2013, 01:15 PM

Also, I find it surprising that anyone would not consider Alien (1979) a horror movie. The film might possess obvious sci-fi themes, but, in my opinion, the horror aspect of it is very strong. In my opinion, it is clearly a horror movie. Aliens you could make the argument is not a horror movie (although, I classify the entire series as horror), but find it hard not to classify that film as horror.

Kandarian Demon

07-29-2013, 01:17 PM

If there is a weight of evidence to demonstrate how significant a movie is or how much impact it had on the genre we are discussing, I think a case can certainly be made for a blind backing.

Are you saying that, for example, the fact that something won an award means that it IS good no matter what you personally think? In that case, I feel the need to remind you that Justin Bieber is an award winning performer :D Peer pressure created by the media doesn't mean that something is actually good.

If we all blindly followed the masses, nothing would ever change for the better in this world.

Some movies are only "classics" because someone had the money and the connections to start a hype. Just like some great movies gets completely overlooked simply because no one involved were particularly well known or had the money to promote the movie properly.

However, if someone can convince me of the importance and impact a movie has had on the genre, you better believe I'm going to sit up and take notice.

If I haven't watched a movie and someone recommends that I do, I usually will. But if I think the movie is crap, I won't pretend that I don't. I don't think this particular movie we've been talking about today is crap, though - like I said, I just never thought of it as a horror movie.

It's my understanding that we are trying to vote for more than just 'our favourite' movies.... I can name a ton of movies that have immense nostalgic value to me personally that would not even come close to any of the lists I have made for this project.

I didn't back "Plan 9 From Outer Space" because I felt it was wrong to back a movie that is actually famous for being so BAD that it's entertaining - even though I love the movie. So in that way, I agree with you. BUT I will not back something that I don't think deserves it just because someone else thinks it does. Who gets to have "the right opinion"?

I just think there is more room than people realise in this debate. Are we saying that if we had only seen 20 movies from a decade that we should list those as the top 20 movies of the decade, simply because they are the best by default? That just seems wrong.

No absolutely not, but I am saying that I don't agree with "blind backing" a movie just because it is the best by default.

Ultimately these lists are what they are and I don't mind how people vote or what people back or don't back, but I am going to continue backing the movies I do, despite the majority failing to get much support..

I hope so! And so will I... that's my whole point :D

Straker

07-29-2013, 01:45 PM

Are you saying that, for example, the fact that something won an award means that it IS good no matter what you personally think? In that case, I feel the need to remind you that Justin Bieber is an award winning performer :D Peer pressure created by the media doesn't mean that something is actually good.

No, I'm saying that it is possible to be moved by an argument someone puts forward without having every single fact available on the given subject.... You must have opinions about things that you don't fully understand or appreciate and sometimes those opinions must change based on other information that you receive that isn't primary source.

The thing I have questioned is your comment that a blind vote, based on a strong argument put forward by a peer, is 'worthless'.

Also, no one has asked you to back anything you don't want to, so I'm not sure why you feel that you are standing against some sort of peer pressure. It's you that is criticising other peoples backing of a tiny percentage of movies they haven't seen.

And as for the whole Justin Beiber angle.... Did you ever stop to think that maybe you are the horror equivalent of a Justin Bieber fan? :p

Kandarian Demon

07-29-2013, 02:17 PM

No, I'm saying that it is possible to be moved by an argument someone puts forward without having every single fact available on the given subject....

Judging a movie you haven't even seen? That makes no sense to me, sorry.

Also, no one has asked you to back anything you don't want to, so I'm not sure why you feel that you are standing against some sort of peer pressure.

I don't feel that I am. When I was talking about peer pressure, I was referring to how the popularity of some movies are created, and why I don't nescesarily think that, for example, the fact that a movie won an award means that it's actually any good.

It's you that is criticising other peoples backing of a tiny percentage of movies they haven't seen.

I did, yes. I also said "I don't make the rules", though. It's just an opinion, as others have stated their opinions about how mine or others votes can't be taken seriously.

It has also been implied several times that I or other were more or less morons and "not real horror fans" for not sharing certain opinions about certain movies, and I'll admit that I was pretty annoyed when I wrote my first post on this subject.

And as for the whole Justin Beiber angle.... Did you ever stop to think that maybe you are the horror equivalent of a Justin Bieber fan? :p

And there you go... I'm not a "real horror fan" because I don't agree :D

Seriously though, it's not personal... I just really don't agree that there is "one right opinion" that we should all support blindly.

Straker

07-29-2013, 02:55 PM

Seriously though, it's not personal... I just really don't agree that there is "one right opinion" that we should all support blindly.

I don't get what you are talking about if I'm being honest.... Who has told you that there is only one right opinion? I feel like you are trying to rebel against an authority that doesn't exist.

Some of the comments that have been made by people in this thread go beyond simply watching a movie and forming an opinion that stops at 'good or bad'. Context is important and it is something you cant define by simply watching a movie. We are lucky at HDC to have members with a little more in depth knowledge on the genre or perhaps some of our older members who are able to put movies into a historical context. Do you really think you can get a feel for the importance of a movie simply by watching it? If I can talk to a guy who made the movie or maybe went and watched it at its first showing on release, then I am going to take that into consideration. If someone can present an argument and explain to me why a specific movie is a landmark in the genre and its something I hadn't previously considered, then its something I want to take into consideration when making my decisions.

Sculpt

07-29-2013, 03:14 PM

metternich1815

07-29-2013, 03:22 PM

Sculpt

07-29-2013, 03:36 PM

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with backing or negative voting films you have not seen. If there is good reason to do so. This is especially true with neg voting. For example, if you know that a certain film does not fall into the category of horror (at least your definition of it). Of course, I have avoided doing so because I believe it is best to have seen a film, in order for you to form an opinion; however, I do not agree that there are no instances that blind voting or negative voting would be okay.

Interesting thought. But I should note, as you offered a possible reason for one giving a Neg vote on a film that one haven't seen, you also rightfully also indicate why you personally wouldn't do it. I really don't think anyone can give a good reason to do it.

That's really my point: if you respect your fellow members' opinions, you don't display your disrespect for them by negating their opinion with your assumption. If your fellow HDC member has decidedly determined a film is a Horror film by viewing it for definitive Horror elements, why the hell would anyone negate that without even seeing the film in question. That would be illogical and best, and at worst, I shouldn't write what I'm thinking.

Straker

07-29-2013, 03:37 PM

Kandarian Demon

07-29-2013, 03:53 PM

Who has told you that there is only one right opinion?

Well, I base that on the disrespect for any other opinion...

I feel like you are trying to rebel against an authority that doesn't exist.

Nah, I'm not trying to rebel against anything. Like I said - I stated an opinion, just like everybody else has. Others have questioned whether or not some of us care about horror or a "real fans" because of what we backed or voted for. So why is my post such a big deal?

Some of the comments that have been made by people in this thread go beyond simply watching a movie and forming an opinion that stops at 'good or bad'. Context is important and it is something you cant define by simply watching a movie. We are lucky at HDC to have members with a little more in depth knowledge on the genre or perhaps some of our older members who are able to put movies into a historical context. Do you really think you can get a feel for the importance of a movie simply by watching it? If I can talk to a guy who made the movie or maybe went and watched it at its first showing on release, then I am going to take that into consideration. If someone can present an argument and explain to me why a specific movie is a landmark in the genre and its something I hadn't previously considered, then its something I want to take into consideration when making my decisions.

So would I. Taking these things into consideration is not that same as forming an opinion on that alone, though.

What I DON'T agree with is that you can judge a movie you haven't seen at all. Yes, you can have an idea about what it might be like, and maybe it'll give you a good reason to see for yourself - but you can't judge it before you have actually seen it. I'm sorry if that opinion offends you.

The Villain

07-29-2013, 03:55 PM

Straker, I have immense respect for YOUR assessment of films YOU'VE seen. I really mean that.

I also have to strongly agree with Kan. Everyone, to take your responsibility seriously in selecting these films, PLEASE, never back or Neg a film you haven't seen!

You can best show your respect for opinions of any of your fellow HDC members by keeping our lists accurate and valid -- which is done by not assuming and/or copying others' opinions, and instead by only voting on films you've seen yourself.

Honestly, I thought this was an unspoken obvious rule. In fact, I feel so strongly about it, I think we should vote on it being a rule.

I have to agree with Straker. I have a few times on here backed a film purely on the opinions and reviews given by people on this forum whose film knowledge and expertise i admire including Neverending and Straker. Despite not having seen those movies, i respect and trust in their backings and know that they do not lightly give such praise and merit to films without a reason to do so.

I have not yet watched a film that the two of them have suggested that i didnt like. I think in cases like that or even in ones where people have convinced people to watch those movies, back them or just convinced them of their prowess as a film it is completely acceptable to blind back a film. You have to also consider that not everyone on here has seen all the same films, without going on the opinions of others, a lot of people wouldn't be voting for movies that deserve to be on this list and it wouldn't be much of a list.

Sculpt

07-29-2013, 04:14 PM

Straker

07-29-2013, 04:19 PM

I have to agree with Straker. I have a few times on here backed a film purely on the opinions and reviews given by people on this forum whose film knowledge and expertise i admire including Neverending and Straker. Despite not having seen those movies, i respect and trust in their backings and know that they do not lightly give such praise and merit to films without a reason to do so.

I have not yet watched a film that the two of them have suggested that i didnt like. I think in cases like that or even in ones where people have convinced people to watch those movies, back them or just convinced them of their prowess as a film it is completely acceptable to blind back a film. You have to also consider that not everyone on here has seen all the same films, without going on the opinions of others, a lot of people wouldn't be voting for movies that deserve to be on this list and it wouldn't be much of a list.

I appreciated the backing and I knew it wasn't a decision that was taken lightly or without thought. And that for me is what is relevant here, everytime there has been a 'blind' vote cast it has been done with careful consideration, if anything I'd be willing to bet that the blind votes have actually been harder for people to bring themselves to do than voting normally.

I'd totally understand if we just had a bunch of people blind voting for every movie their friends like, but we are literally talking about less than 1% of the votes received.

The Villain

07-29-2013, 04:21 PM

Look at like this... it's 2013, you can see any 90min film on the internet 24/7. If you feel strongly enough about a film, or someone's opinion, then just post, "Hey guys, give me 24hrs to review movie such-&-such." If it's important to you, you can find 90 mins in 24 hours to see the film and give an informed decision. Let's just do that.

I don't know about you but i don't always have time to watch a movie whenever i want to and honestly i don't feel like i need to quickly watch a movie so that i can give an informed decision about it. The fact that they speak so strongly about it and are fighting for it is enough for me to back the film. I trust their opinions as i would anyone who had such strong conviction for the movies that they are fighting for and honestly if i want to back their decisions, i have the right to do that so don't tell me that i can't or shouldn't and that i should take the time to watch the movie myself.

You can do things your way, i'll do things mine.

The Villain

07-29-2013, 04:25 PM

I appreciated the backing and I knew it wasn't a decision that was taken lightly or without thought. And that for me is what is relevant here, everytime there has been a 'blind' vote cast it has been done with careful consideration, if anything I'd be willing to bet that the blind votes have actually been harder for people to bring themselves to do than voting normally.

I'd totally understand if we just had a bunch of people blind voting for every movie their friends like, but we are literally talking about less than 1% of the votes received.

You're right it was a lot harder for me to blind back a film as opposed to just backing one that i've seen and like. The reason i did so was because of the passionate compelling arguments that you and Neverending made towards those films. Any movie that can elicit that kind of response to make you fight so hard for it, has to be good and like i said i trust your opinion. I wish others could see and understand that. I kinda thought that was part of this whole thing, to give compelling reasons why certain movies should be included. You're also right about the 1%. I don't understand why they have such a problem with it.

Giganticface

07-29-2013, 06:13 PM

...These lists we create are not just amusing passtimes for us to fool around with and forget. People read them. They take them into account in their formation of opinions.

Just a few weeks ago a small press that specializes in horror fiction posted a link to our Sub-Genres of Horror list on their facebook page as a good example of horror genres. So, we have a responsibility to try and reflect some kind of reality. That's why I argue so hard in some cases. These lists are going to be around for a long time.

That sorta sums up what I've always considered this thread to be. It's not just a list of what we individually like, and it's also not necessarily a list of the obvious, standard, award-winning films. It's what we, the experts, in this community consider to be the "best" "horror." Not necessarily our favorites, but the "best," and not necessarily what scares us the most, but what might be classified as "horror" by some reasonable understanding of the the genre. Inevitably (and hopefully), the list will be influenced by our personal tastes, but it will also be limited to what makes sense to be on this particular list.

Sculpt

07-29-2013, 07:40 PM

If YOU are uncomfortable in voting for a film YOU haven't seen, then don't vote for it, but I think its a little much to start deciding for other people how they should cast their votes and what logic they should apply. Some people are prepared to take into consideration the arguments laid out by others and use their votes to support those movies, please don't presume to apply your standards to their decisions....

You make a good point, Straker. I shouldn't have the power to force you to apply my standards to these decisions you're making. Your decisions are your own. And I also highly applaud your honesty about it.

On a side note, in regards to your comment, "please don't presume to apply your standards to their decisions", let me remind you, people have been applying their standards to others' decisions throughout this thread. There are plenty of black kettles and pots talking here.

I'm just giving my opinion, and I know it's just my opinion. I'm REQUESTING of my fellow members, that they refrain for voting for, or more so Negging, a film they haven't seen -- and instead trust in this thread's group decision process. I'm aware members are entitled to disregard this. The rarer the better.

_____V_____

07-29-2013, 09:31 PM

We still haven't found our final film for the 50s.

Both aforementioned films (War of the Worlds, Beast from 20,000 Fathoms) are still in the fray, with plenty others (I Was a Teenage Werewolf, The Day the Earth Stood Still, El Vampiro) breathing down their necks.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=953616#post953616

metternich1815

07-29-2013, 10:04 PM

I'll also back The Day the Earth Stood Still. For some reason, I thought it was already on the list.

_____V_____

07-30-2013, 07:15 AM

3 films in the fray now for that final spot. Competition is heating up!

Sculpt

07-31-2013, 01:49 AM

The 3, or 4 actually, being:

3 The War of the Worlds (1953) (backed by Sculpt, Kandarian Demon, metternich1815)
3 The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms (1953) (backed by The Villain, realdealblues, Straker)
2 The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) (backed by Kandarian Demon, metternich1815)
2 El Vampiro (1957) (backed by Straker, neverending)

Actually Villain posted, in effort to sew things up, "If no one else casts a vote, I'll remove my backing from War of The World's since I backed both it and Beast from 20,000 Fathoms...". Villain initially un-backed War of Worlds to break our tie, and then Metternich backed War of the Worlds. Villain, if you really meant "If no one else casts a vote", and you want to break the tie again, let us know if you want to re-back War of the Worlds. Or we could wait for more votes.

_____V_____

07-31-2013, 01:54 AM

The Day The Earth Stood Still has 3 backings, not 2.

And if we are also taking 2 backings into account, I Was A Teenage Werewolf has 2 backings as well. That makes it 5 films vying for that final spot for the 50s.

The Villain

07-31-2013, 03:43 AM

I said if no one casts a vote. The way I figured it was my backing hadn't been removed yet.

_____V_____

08-01-2013, 10:24 AM

If no one else casts a vote I'll remove my backing from War of The World's since I backed both it and Beast from 20,000 Fathoms and i consider that the better film one which I thought to be inspiration for other monster movies that came later

I'll back War of the Worlds.

I said if no one casts a vote. The way I figured it was my backing hadn't been removed yet.

So, do you want to keep your backing for The War of the Worlds, Villain? If yes, it will be our 22nd and final choice for the 50s.

I guess the debate is for whether it's more of a sci-fi film than horror. But, as an impartial host, I will go with whatever you folks decide.

The Villain

08-01-2013, 11:17 AM

Although I'd rather have Beast in the list, I'll keep my backing of War of The Worlds since it doesn't seem like anyone else is casting a vote

Sculpt

08-01-2013, 04:07 PM

Otay! Here's our 19050's page http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=953616&postcount=726

For our 6 Honorable mentions, I support:

The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms (1953)
The Amazing Colossal Man (1957) - (thought it had a lot of heart and was shocking to me when I saw it as a kid)
The Killer Shrews (1959) - (cult classic for a reason. It's dark moody scary quicken pace to it. Some dark characters too. A bit like being trapped in the house in The Birds film. May have to see it understand what I mean.)
Tarantula (1955) - (A generalized classic. I actually liked it's slower character driven pace. Kind of a sleepy rainy day horror film).

There are better films in the list, such as Day the Earth Stood Still and This Island Earth are wonderful films. I don't personally consider them Horror, but I've seen both these films included in Horror collections of various types. So I have no wider objection to their inclusion.

The Villain

08-01-2013, 04:11 PM

Forget i said anything

neverending

08-01-2013, 04:30 PM

That's a bit of an overreaction, Villain, my friend. Sculpt is just stating his preferences and opinions on some of the films.

I'll also back The Amazing Colossal Man and Beast From 20,000 Fathoms.

I also agree with Sculpt that I don't consider Day the Earth Stood Still and This Island Earth to be horror films, but I won't beef if they get in. I managed to railroad my thriller in, after all. :p

The Villain

08-01-2013, 04:36 PM

For my honorable mentions Beast from 20,000 Fathoms and Amazing Colossal Man should be in. I still think Rodan should be included as well. Also i just noticed It Came From Beneath the Sea failed to make it in the list, must've slipped by me. I think that should be mentioned as well.

_____V_____

08-01-2013, 08:20 PM

Hold on to your horses, Sculpt. I haven't moved to the Honorable Mentions yet. Stop jumping the gun.

The Villain places his backing again on The War of the Worlds, and now we have that and The Night of the Hunter making it into the final 22 for the 1950s, by majority of backings.

All in agreement?

The Villain

08-01-2013, 08:22 PM

Guess I wasn't overreacting. Sounds good to me.

metternich1815

08-01-2013, 09:51 PM

Sounds good.

Sculpt

08-02-2013, 03:01 PM

_____V_____

08-02-2013, 10:59 PM

What about the others?

We have at least 10 members involved in the project right now. Unless I get the Aye from the majority (as the earlier periods), we can't move ahead.

neverending

08-03-2013, 12:59 AM

Go for it man.

Kandarian Demon

08-03-2013, 02:26 AM

Yes from me to...

realdealblues

08-03-2013, 06:17 AM

Sure...continue on V.

Straker

08-03-2013, 07:04 AM

That's cool with me...

_____V_____

08-03-2013, 10:02 AM

Okay, majority are in agreement so our top 22 for the 50s are sealed.

Let's now look into the Honorable Mentions. The underlined films below the "IN THE CUT" section have the most backings so far, and they are SIX in number. Any debates for/against any of them? If no, we can shortlist them and move into the 60s.

All in agreement, or there's scope for debate for those SIX films underlined?

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=953616#post953616

metternich1815

08-03-2013, 10:45 AM

One thing I will say is that I pretty much consider most, if not all, of the sci-fis of the 50s to be horror (and I have seen many horror movie documentaries and so forth do the same). After that decade, I am more selective. I am not saying that after the fifties I do not include sci-fis, merely that I actually look at the film's characteristics and determine if I would consider it to be horror.

neverending

08-03-2013, 11:14 AM

As much as I love Day the Earth Stood Still, I still don't consider it to be a horror movie. I think the film directly below it, The Quatermas Xperiment is much more of a horror film.

I back The Quatermas Xperiment.

Though, I won't beef if Stood Still makes it in.

metternich1815

08-03-2013, 11:20 AM

I really do love Tarantula, but there is one other film that I think better deserves to be on the list and that is the film I will back. So, I will negative vote Tarantula and back The Quatermass Xperiment.

_____V_____

08-03-2013, 11:26 AM

Tarantula drops out, Quatermass comes in. We still have SIX shortlisted.

Anyone else agreeing/against those selected?

neverending

08-03-2013, 11:39 AM

Agree...............

Kandarian Demon

08-03-2013, 11:48 AM

I'm not sure if I can or need to back anything at this point, but if I can, I'm backing The Quatermass Xperiment too.

The Villain

08-03-2013, 12:43 PM

That all sounds good to me. Good movies on that list

Straker

08-03-2013, 04:06 PM

I would've backed Dementia and I Vampiri (Lust of the Vampire), but they are unlikely to receive any support so I'm happy to proceed to the 60s with the honourable mentions as they stand right now.

Sculpt

08-03-2013, 07:46 PM

I Was a Teenage Werewolf (1957)
The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms (1953)
The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)
The Quatermass Xperiment (1955)
The Amazing Colossal Man (1957)
El Vampiro (1957)

Good Honorable Mention set. Teenage Werewolf isn't a particularly good film (I didn't even think much of it as a teen seeing it the first time), but the hypnosis story is interesting, and it's iconic as first of the 'I was a teenage...". Plus, you have to love Michael Landon. But I don't know that I know of a better film to replace it with. The Killer Shrews is a special film, but not particularly good either. I think Tarantula is a bit better film, and iconic too, but it got the axe. I'm cool with the six we have.

_____V_____

08-03-2013, 09:44 PM

Majority are in favor so here's our final tally for the 50s...

IN THE CUT

Creature from the Black Lagoon (1954) - 10
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) - 10
The Curse of Frankenstein (1957) - 10
The Fly (1958) - 10

Godzilla (1954) - 9

Horror of Dracula (1958) - 8
The Blob (1958) - 8
The Tingler (1959) - 8

Diabolique (1955) - 7
House of Wax (1953) - 7
House on Haunted Hill (1959) - 7
The Mummy (1959) - 7
Them! (1954) - 7

Curse of the Demon (1957) - 6

A Bucket of Blood (1959) - 5

The Revenge of Frankenstein (1958) - 4
The Thing from Another World (1951) - 4
The War of the Worlds (1953) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by Sculpt, Kandarian Demon, metternich1815)

The Bad Seed (1956) - 3
The Incredible Shrinking Man (1957) - 3

The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1956) - 2
The Night of the Hunter (1955) - 2 (backed by [i]neverending, seconded by roshiq, Straker, The Villain)

-----------------------------------------------------------

HONORABLE MENTIONS

I Was a Teenage Werewolf (1957) - 4 (backed by [i]neverending, seconded by realdealblues)
The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms (1953) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by realdealblues, Straker, Sculpt, neverending)
The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) - 3 (backed by Sculpt, seconded by Kandarian Demon, metternich1815)
The Quatermass Xperiment (1955) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by metternich1815, Kandarian Demon)
The Amazing Colossal Man (1957) - 2 (backed by The Villain, Sculpt, neverending)
El Vampiro (1957) (backed by Straker, seconded by neverending)

DEBATABLE

Tarantula (1955) - 4 (backed by The Villain, Sculpt) (-1)

Rear Window (1954) - 3

MINORITY

20 Million Miles to Earth (1957) - 2
Attack of the 50 Foot Woman (1958) - 2
Fiend Without a Face (1958) - 2
Invaders from Mars (1953) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
Plan 9 from Outer Space (1959) - 2
Rodan (1956) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
The Abominable Snowman (1957) - 2 (backed by neverending)
The Bat (1959) - 2
The Crawling Eye (1958) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
The Ghost of Yotsuya (1959) - 2
This Island Earth (1955) - 2
Ugetsu (1953) - 2

SINGLE VOTES TO

Abbott and Costello Meet the Mummy (1955)
Attack of the Crab Monsters (1957)
Blood of Dracula (1957)
Bride of the Monster (1955)
Corridors of Blood (1958)
Dementia (1955)
Frankenstein- 1970 (1958)
Godzilla Raids Again (1955)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! (1956)
I Bury the Living (1958)
I Married A Monster from Outer Space (1958)
It Came from Beneath the Sea (1955) (The Villain)
It Came From Outer Space (1953)
Kronos (1957)
Lust of the Vampire (1956)
Not of This Earth (1957)
Revenge of the Creature (1955)
Teenage Zombies (1959)
The Alligator People (1959)
The Beast with a Million Eyes (1955)
The Black Castle (1952)
The Body Snatcher (1957)
The Creature Walks Among Us (1956)
The Giant Behemoth (1959)
The Giant Claw (1957)
The Killer Shrews (1959) (Sculpt)
The Man From Planet X (1951)
The Monolith Monsters (1957)
The Screaming Skull (1958)
War of the Colossal Beast (1958)
X: The Unknown (1956)

SPECIAL SECTION - REST OF THE GIANT MONSTER FILMS OF THE 50s :-

Attack of the Giant Leeches 1959
Beginning of the End 1957
Behemoth, the Sea Monster 1959
Earth vs. the Spider 1958
Half Human 1955
Monster from Green Hell 1958
Monster from the Ocean Floor 1954
The Black Scorpion 1957
The Deadly Mantis 1957
The Giant Gila Monster 1959
The Monster That Challenged the World 1957
Varan the Unbelievable 1958

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08-03-2013, 10:09 PM

The 60s - 1960 to 1969

IN THE CUT

Psycho (1960) - 10

Night of the Living Dead (1968) - 9
Rosemary's Baby (1968) - 9

The Birds (1963) - 8
The Haunting (1963) - 8

Carnival of Souls (1962) - 7
House of Usher (1960) - 7
Repulsion (1965) - 7
The Masque of the Red Death (1964) - 7

Eyes Without a Face (1960) - 6
Peeping Tom (1960) - 6
The Innocents (1961) - 6
What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? (1962) - 6

Pit and the Pendulum (1961) - 5

Targets (1968) - 4
The Tomb of Ligeia (1964) - 4
Witchfinder General (1968) - 4

Quatermass and the Pit (1967) - 3
Spider Baby or, The Maddest Story Ever Told (1968) - 3

The Cremator (1969) - 2

The Last Man on Earth (1964) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by realdealblues, Kandarian Demon, hammerfan)[IN]
The Brides of Dracula (1960) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by realdealblues, Sculpt, hammerfan)

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HONORABLE MENTIONS

Onibaba (1964) - 3 (backed by [i]Straker, seconded by roshiq) {metternich1815*}
The Little Shop of Horrors (1960) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by The Villain, metternich1815)
The Raven (1963) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by Kandarian Demon, realdealblues)
Invasion of the Triffids (1962) - 2 (backed by Sculpt, seconded by Kandarian Demon) {metternich1815*}
Mr. Sardonicus (1961) - 2 (backed by neverending, seconded by Straker)
Blood Feast (1963) - 2 {backed by Giganticface*, seconded by metternich1815*}

DEBATABLE

The Curse of the Werewolf (1960) - 3

MINORITY

13 Ghosts (1960) - 2
Dracula has Risen From the Grave (1968) - 2
Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed (1969) - 2
Hour of the Wolf (1968) - 2
Kwaidan (1964) - 2
Mothra vs. Godzilla (1964) - 2 (backed by Sculpt)
Operazione paura (1966) - 2
Paranoiac (1963) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
The Creeping Terror (1964) - 2
The Evil of Frankenstein (1964) - 2
The Gorgon (1964) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
The Haunted Palace (1963) - 2 (backed by Kandarian Demon)
The Terror (1963) - 2

SINGLE VOTES TO

À Meia-Noite Levarei Sua Alma (1964)
Das Testament des Dr. Mabuse (1962)
Dementia 13 (1963)
Destroy All Monsters [1968]
Diary of a Madman (1963)
Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster [1964]
Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte (1964)
Invasion of Astro-Monster (Godzilla vs. Monster Zero) [1965]
Jesse James Meets Frankenstein's Daughter (1966)
La maschera del demonio (1960)
Mad Monster Party? (1967)
Mothra (1961)
Terrore nello spazio (1965)
Premature Burial (1962)
Tales of Terror (1962)
The Beast of Yucca Flats (1961)
The Boarding School aka La residencia (1969)
The Comedy of Terrors (1963)
The Devil Rides Out (1968)
The Fearless Vampire Killers (1967)
The Kiss of the Vampire (1963)
The Oblong Box (1969)
The Phantom of the Opera (1962)
The Tell-Tale Heart (1960)
Twice-Told Tales (1963)
Village Of The Damned (1960) (backed by metternich1815)
Viy (1967) {backed by metternich1815*}

SPECIAL SECTION - REST OF THE GIANT MONSTER FILMS OF THE 60s :-

All Monsters Attack 1969
Atragon 1963
Bambi Meets Godzilla 1969
Daikyoju- Gappa 1967
Dinosaurus! 1960
Dogora, the Space Monster 1964
Frankenstein Conquers the World 1965
Gamera 1965
Gamera vs. Barugon 1966
Gamera vs. Guiron 1969
Gamera vs. Gyaos 1967
Gamera vs. Viras 1968
Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster 1966
Gorath 1962
Gorgo 1961
King Kong Escapes 1967
King Kong vs Godzilla 1962
Kong Island 1968
Konga 1961
Latitude Zero 1969
One Million Years B.C. 1966
Reptilicus 1961
Son of Godzilla 1967
The Magic Serpent 1966
The Mysterious Island 1961
The Valley of Gwangi 1969
The X from Outer Space 1967
War of the Gargantuas 1966
Yongary, Monster from the Deep 1967

{* = HONORABLE MENTIONS}

The initial backings/negations stay.

Adding a special "Giant Monster" films section at the end for due consideration, since it was demanded.

Remember, we are here to select TWO films from the remaining ones from the DEBATABLE section onwards.
The "In The Cut" section is NOT for debate.

Once that is done, we can proceed to select SIX films from the remaining films for our Honorable Mentions.

OR, if everyone is in joint agreement, we can shortlist the TWO films from the 4-votes section which see solid backings for our Top 22, and get the Honorable Mentions from the rest.

OR we can go the old-fashioned way and debate till we get our chosen films.

Either way, let's hear it.

neverending

08-03-2013, 10:40 PM

Well, I'm going to break my own rule and back two comedies.

The Raven - C'mon, Karloff, Price, Lorre! This is one of Lorre's most hilarious performances, and Price is obviously having a ball. On top of that, it's a really good script. And then there's the really young Jack Nicholson as Lorre's son.

Little Shop of Horrors - it's legend!

Sculpt

08-03-2013, 11:09 PM

(I back) The Day of the Triffids (1962)

Straight off the bat -- I can't believe The Day of the Triffids (1962) isn't in the top 20-22 yet. It's a smart and well shot British sci-fi horror based on the novel. A meteor shower blinds much of the world's population, and from spores from the meteor come flesh eating plants that can move along the ground. It's favorite film of a few people I know personally. It's famous, and I think a straight better film than a hand full of the current films in the top 20.

Sculpt

08-03-2013, 11:32 PM

I also back Mothra vs. Godzilla (1964) (Godzilla Vs. The Thing)

Had 2 votes in our list. Widely regarded as the best Godzilla film (89% RT rating), (although I think Godzilla Vs. the Smog Monster is better). Full interesting story, excellent music and effects.

Plus, on a side note, famous Godzilla music composer Akira Ifukube composed one of the most beautiful ballads in horror film history sung by Emi and Yumi Ito:

5Vl74hPRk34

neverending

08-03-2013, 11:36 PM

Love that song!

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08-04-2013, 12:05 AM

Added .

The Villain

08-04-2013, 03:12 AM

Little Shop of Horrors
Paranoiac
The Gorgon

Kandarian Demon

08-04-2013, 03:22 AM

How many movies can we back? I'm not sure if there are any rules for that.

Anyway, these are the movies I will back, in order, so if I'm backing too many, just remove them from the bottom and up :cool:

Day of the Triffids
The Last Man on Earth
The Haunted Palace
The Raven

neverending

08-04-2013, 03:30 AM

Well, right now we're picking TWO to make the top 22.

realdealblues

08-04-2013, 05:21 AM

The Raven
The Brides Of Dracula

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08-04-2013, 06:22 AM

Looks like The Last Man on Earth and The Raven have got the majority of support here, and are ready to be included in the top 22.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=954057#post954057

Support/objections, if any?

The Villain

08-04-2013, 06:55 AM

Fine with me

Kandarian Demon

08-04-2013, 07:14 AM

It's fine with me too

Well, right now we're picking TWO to make the top 22.

I know :) But that doesn't nescesarily mean that we can only back two, just that only two will make the list, and other members have backed more than two movies too. English is not my first language, so I'm sorry if I'm missing something that should be obvious.

Straker

08-04-2013, 07:22 AM

Straker

08-04-2013, 07:30 AM

It's fine with me too

I know :) But that doesn't nescesarily mean that we can only back two, just that only two will make the list, and other members have backed more than two movies too. English is not my first language, so I'm sorry if I'm missing something that should be obvious.

I don't think that there's anything wrong with it, but it is counterintuitive, unless you want to spread vote for tactical reasons.... Typically I'd imagine its best to back only the two films you want in the final cut so as to give those movies the best chance possible. Its semantics really as I don't think its going to affect the final results too much, regardless.

metternich1815

08-04-2013, 08:01 AM

I'll back Hour of the Wolf and Little Shops of Horror. I will keep my backing of these two films for the honorable mention section. I am fine with the two choices selected for the top 22.

Giganticface

08-04-2013, 09:16 AM

I'll back Blood Feast, hopefully just as an honorable mention. It's a ridiculous film, but it wouldn't make much sense for our 100 Years of Horror to make no mention of the Godfather of Gore, HGL.

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08-04-2013, 09:43 AM

Onibaba
Mr. Sardonicus

Neither look likely to make the final cut, but hopefully show up in the honourable mentions section, at least.

@V: I think Roshiq backed Onibaba back in the original debate of the 60s... I'm not suggesting that vote stand for this section, but it might be important for getting it into the honourable mentions section.

Debate for the 2 films to be finalised is still open, unless we have a majority backing both The Last Man on Earth and The Raven. So far, 3 "Aye"s have come in for them.

Yes, I missed roshiq's reply earlier. Duly added now.

neverending

08-04-2013, 10:50 AM

Aye aye aye!

Sculpt

08-04-2013, 04:52 PM

Love that song!
Yes, me too! I can just close my eyes and listen, and the harmonies soar right through my center. I have to sing along. I hope singing the lyrics didn't commit my eternal soul to Mothra. Although the music would probably be good.

(referencing Sacred Springs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vl74hPRk34))

The Villain

08-04-2013, 04:58 PM

Actually, you missed a vote here. Day of the Triffids has 2 backings, too. Kandarian and myself. Plus, if we are just voting for two films for adding 21 and 22, then Kandarian made it clear his two votes were for Day of the Triffids and The Last Man on Earth.

So we have a 3 way tie.

Day of the Triffids
The Last Man on Earth
Raven

Day of the Triffids doesnt have enough backings to get in but Little Shop does which confuses me why bit wasn't included.

metternich1815

08-04-2013, 05:06 PM

Actually, I think we are miscounting. Day of the Triffids has 2 backings, too. Kandarian and myself. Plus, if we are just voting for two films for adding 21 and 22, then Kandarian made it clear his two votes were for Day of the Triffids and The Last Man on Earth.

Little Shop of Horrors (3 vote)

So we have a 3 way tie for second.

Day of the Triffids (2 votes)
The Last Man on Earth (2 votes)
Raven (2 votes)

Unless Kan wants to keep all his votes in place, then Little Shop and Raven would have 3.

Technically, Kandarian Demon stated that he only would remove his backings,IF he was not allowed to back more than two. He is allowed, so unless he states otherwise, his backings of all those films would stand. Thus, it would be a three way tie between Little Shop of Horrors, The Raven, and The Last Man on Earth. If I have misunderstood something, then someone can correct me, but I am pretty sure I am correct. By the way, I am confused by one thing, is Day of the Triffids and Invasion of the Triffids the same thing?

Sculpt

08-04-2013, 05:12 PM

Yes, Kan can vote for all 4 of the films he voted for. I'm not debating that.

Still, there is a miscount. Little Shop of Horrors has 3 votes. There's a 3-way tie at the moment:

Little Shop of Horrors
Last Man on Earth
Raven

I looking to drum up some more support for Day of the Triffids. It has 2 votes so far. And I'm courting for a withdraw vote from one of the others. This is a great film! Anybody agree? Can we get some support?

The Villain

08-04-2013, 05:14 PM

metternich1815

08-04-2013, 05:16 PM

Day of the Triffids doesnt have enough backings to get in but Little Shop does which confuses me why bit wasn't included.

I saw that earlier and did not understand it, but thought maybe because four people had approved those two choices was the reason. Not that four people backed it, just that they approved the choices.

Sculpt

08-04-2013, 05:23 PM

Woah, I think we may have some changing posts, or a bigger miscount than I thought. I just went through the thread, and this is my count:

Little Shop of Horrors - 3 (never, villain, mett)
Raven - 3 (never, kan, realdealblues)
Day of the Triffids - 2 (sculpt, kan)
Last Man on Earth - 1 (Kan)

When we started the vote for #21 and #22, we are starting a new count, right?

I don't see I'm missing anything. Can we get some more support for Day of the Triffids?

The Villain

08-04-2013, 05:27 PM

Woah, I think we may have some changing posts, or a bigger miscount than I thought. I just went through the thread, and this is my count:

Little Shop of Horrors - 3 (never, villain, mett)
Raven - 3 (never, kan, realdealblues)
Day of the Triffids - 2 (sculpt, kan)
Last Man on Earth - 1 (Kan)

I don't see I'm missing anything. Can we get some more support for Day of the Triffids?

Did you go all the way back to when we first initially voted on the films from the 60's? Because those backings count as well

metternich1815

08-04-2013, 05:43 PM

I have already backed two films, but I am going to back some additional films. I will add my backing to Day of the Triffids and Village of the Damned.

Sculpt

08-04-2013, 05:47 PM

Did you go all the way back to when we first initially voted on the films from the 60's? Because those backings count as wellWhen we start the Vote for #21 and #22, I don't remember us counting the old votes, I was pretty sure we were starting a new vote. ? If not, then I was confused. The whole approach seems like a new vote.

If you think about it, after you vote for many films for the top 20, and after the discussions, many of us revise our minds on the films, and new top films surface. People may, and obviously do, vote for different films. If old votes count, I'm not sure we all know that's happening, and we need to post if we are removing our old votes. I certainly had the impression #21 & #22 Vote was it's own vote.

metternich1815

08-04-2013, 05:49 PM

When we start the Vote for #21 and #22, I don't remember us counting the old votes, I was pretty sure we starting a new vote. If not, than I was confused. The whole approach seems like a new vote.

If you think about it, after you vote for many films for the top 20, and after the discussions, many of us revise our minds on the films, and new top films surface. People may, and obviously do, vote for different films. If old votes count, I'm not sure we all know that's happening, and we need to post if we are removing our old votes. I certainly had the impression #21 & #22 Vote was it's own vote.

On the other decades, the old backings were kept.

Sculpt

08-04-2013, 05:50 PM

By the way, I am confused by one thing, is Day of the Triffids and Invasion of the Triffids the same thing?

Yes, thank you, Mett! Good clarification: Day of the Triffids and Invasion of the Triffids is the same film.

Sculpt

08-04-2013, 06:07 PM

On the other decades, the old backings were kept.
OK, so the votes we made for the Top 20 stay, and are counted, when we start the Vote for #21 & #22. Got it. I'll have to keep that in mind. Thanks!

Then vote count at this post spot is:

Day of the Triffids (1962) - (backed by Sculpt, seconded by Kandarian Demon, metternich1815)
The Last Man on Earth (1964) - (backed by The Villain, seconded by realdealblues, Kandarian Demon)
The Raven (1963) - (backed by neverending, seconded by Kandarian Demon, realdealblues)
The Little Shop of Horrors (1960) - (backed by neverending, seconded by The Villain, metternich1815)

Can we get another vote for the fine film based on the excellent British science fiction writer John Wyndham -- Day of the Triffids?

Sculpt

08-04-2013, 06:30 PM

(skip - superfluous post)

Kandarian Demon

08-04-2013, 06:30 PM

Technically, Kandarian Demon stated that he only would remove his backings,IF he was not allowed to back more than two. He is allowed, so unless he states otherwise, his backings of all those films would stand. Thus, it would be a three way tie between Little Shop of Horrors, The Raven, and The Last Man on Earth. If I have misunderstood something, then someone can correct me, but I am pretty sure I am correct.

You are :) If I'm allowed to back all of the 4 movies I picked, then my backings for those movies all stay.

And I'm a "she", by the way :D

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08-04-2013, 09:27 PM

Sculpt, I have to ask you again, STRONGLY, to refrain from the vote counts. All you are doing is confusing everyone else a lot more. Please leave the counts to me and me ONLY. You just support the films you want in, and give your reasons why you support a particular film/set of films.

Don't try to host the whole thing all over. If you feel you can do a better job than me, please tell me so and I will gladly hand over all the project work sheets to you. Thank you in advance.

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All this confusion has sprung up because people are overlooking a reply made yesterday by metternich1815:-

I'll back Hour of the Wolf and Little Shops of Horror. I will keep my backing of these two films for the honorable mention section. I am fine with the two choices selected for the top 22.

Please note that in the compiled List for the 60s, support for Honorable Mentions means your name in the brackets is NORMAL, not ITALIC. Check the post which finalised the 50s for details on the same. So, if your backing/seconding is for the Honorable Mentions, your name won't be ITALICISED.

I have separated the backings for the Honorable Mentions under curly brackets ({}) and marked with an asterisk (*). I hope that makes things more clearer now.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=954057&postcount=804

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I have already backed two films, but I am going to back some additional films. I will add my backing to Day of the Triffids and Village of the Damned.

Please clarify if this is for the final 2 spots, or for the Honorable Mentions, because your original 2 backings were for Honorable Mentions.

metternich1815

08-04-2013, 10:09 PM

You are :) If I'm allowed to back all of the 4 movies I picked, then my backings for those movies all stay.

And I'm a "she", by the way :D

Sorry, I naturally call people hes, especially when profile names are not the people's real names. I, generally, try to avoid using the adverb of he and she here, but I accidentally used it. Anyway, sorry about that.

metternich1815

08-04-2013, 10:15 PM

Sculpt, I have to ask you again, STRONGLY, to refrain from the vote counts. All you are doing is confusing everyone else a lot more. Please leave the counts to me and me ONLY. You just support the films you want in, and give your reasons why you support a particular film/set of films.

Don't try to host the whole thing all over. If you feel you can do a better job than me, please tell me so and I will gladly hand over all the project work sheets to you. Thank you in advance.

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All this confusion has sprung up because people are overlooking a reply made yesterday by metternich1815:-

Please note that in the compiled List for the 60s, support for Honorable Mentions means your name in the brackets is NORMAL, not ITALIC. Check the post which finalised the 50s for details on the same. So, if your backing/seconding is for the Honorable Mentions, your name won't be ITALICISED.

I have separated the backings for the Honorable Mentions under curly brackets ({}) and marked with an asterisk (*). I hope that makes things more clearer now.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=954057&postcount=804

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Please clarify if this is for the final 2 spots, or for the Honorable Mentions, because your original 2 backings were for Honorable Mentions.

I guess I will back Village of the Damned and Little Shops of Horror for top 22 and I will back Invasion of the Triffids and Hour of the Wolf for honorable mention (although I would like to back more films when we actually move to the honorable mention section). I guess I am sort of confused because I thought you could back more than two films to fill the slots. It was just that, ultimately, only two films would make it. I am fine with The Raven and The Last Man on Earth for the two slots though. I assume my backing will carry over to honorable mention?

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08-04-2013, 10:23 PM

I guess I will back Village of the Damned and Little Shops of Horror for top 22 and I will back Invasion of the Triffids and Hour of the Wolf for honorable mention (although I would like to back more films when we actually move to the honorable mention section). I guess I am sort of confused because I thought you could back more than two films to fill the slots. It was just that, ultimately, only two films would make it. So, which films are in the running? Or is it still The Raven and The Last Man on Earth?

You can back any number of films you want. There is NO restriction on the number of backings. I haven't mentioned anywhere that you can back two films ONLY.

We are going to SELECT two films, and then move to the Honorable Mentions.

Right now we are in the process of agreeing (unanimously or majority-wise) for The Raven and The Last Man on Earth, which have the most backings, for the final two spots of the top 22.

You can support that, or you can post your own chosen films to contest those two above.

That's why in order to avoid confusion, and not to pile everything up at the same time, I haven't moved to the Honorable Mentions YET. Members keep jumping the gun even before it's fired, and that's what is causing all the confusion.

I repeat, right now we are in the process of selecting TWO films to join the selected TWENTY for the TOP 22 for the 1960s. I haven't opened the debate/discussion for the Honorable Mentions yet.

Do you stand by those choices in your post above?

metternich1815

08-04-2013, 10:27 PM

You can back any number of films you want. There is NO restriction on the number of backings. I haven't mentioned anywhere that you can back two films ONLY.

We are going to SELECT two films, and then move to the Honorable Mentions.

Right now we are in the process of agreeing (unanimously or majority-wise) for The Raven and The Last Man on Earth, which have the most backings, for the final two spots of the top 22.

You can support that, or you can post your own chosen films to contest those two above.

That's why in order to avoid confusion, and not to pile everything up at the same time, I haven't moved to the Honorable Mentions YET. Members keep jumping the gun even before it's fired, and that's what is causing all the confusion.

I repeat, right now we are in the process of selecting TWO films to join the selected TWENTY for the TOP 22 for the 1960s. I haven't opened the debate/discussion for the Honorable Mentions yet.

Do you stand by those choices in your post above?

Okay, I think I understand. I am fine with those two choices, but I will keep my backings. That is okay? To back films and okay the selected choices.

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08-04-2013, 10:29 PM

Okay, I think I understand. I am fine with those two choices, but I will keep my backings. That is okay? To back films and okay the selected choices.

Sure.

So, you support the 2 choices for the final 22, and put forth your chosen films for Honorable Mentions?

metternich1815

08-04-2013, 10:32 PM

Sure.

So, you support the 2 choices for the final 22, and put forth your chosen films for Honorable Mentions?

Yes.............

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08-04-2013, 10:40 PM

Okay.

Final call for the two films, The Last Man on Earth and The Raven, which have the most backings to be included in the top 22. I have received FOUR "Aye"s so far, and since we have at least 10 members involved in the process, I will need at least 2-3 more "Aye"s to push them into the final 22.

Then we can start short-listing our Honorable Mentions.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=954057#post954057

All in agreement?

Does anyone disagree & have their own choices to contest those 2 films above?

neverending

08-04-2013, 10:49 PM

Agree..........

Kandarian Demon

08-05-2013, 02:19 AM

Sorry, I naturally call people hes, especially when profile names are not the people's real names. I, generally, try to avoid using the adverb of he and she here, but I accidentally used it. Anyway, sorry about that.

No need to be sorry, I do the same thing, actually :cool:

Sculpt

08-05-2013, 03:00 AM

For the Final 22, I'd also like to back The Brides of Dracula, which I've always considered the best Hammer film.

We haven't heard from quite a few folk. I think UK film Day of the Triffids is a better film, I still hope for more input/votes.

realdealblues

08-05-2013, 05:43 AM

All in agreement?

Aye...Ok to move on.

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08-05-2013, 05:45 AM

We now have FOUR films in the fray for the final 2 Top spots - The Brides of Dracula, The Last Man on Earth, The Little Shop of Horrors and The Raven.

We can select only TWO out of the FOUR films with backings, for our final 22. The Raven and The Last Man on Earth now see competition for their spots, although they have FIVE "Aye"s in their favor till now.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=954057#post954057

Do I see anyone else strongly supporting any TWO out of the FOUR films above? Although, one more "Aye" in favor of our original TWO (Raven & Last Man on Earth) will seal their places.

hammerfan

08-05-2013, 05:45 AM

I'll back The Brides of Dracula and The Last Man on Earth

_____V_____

08-05-2013, 05:50 AM

Looks like we are back to TWO films in majority again - The Brides of Dracula replacing the The Raven, while The Last Man on Earth still occupies the other finalist's spot.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=954057#post954057

Agreements/objections?

The Villain

08-05-2013, 06:05 AM

Out of those 4 I'd say Little Shop and The Last Man on Earth

neverending

08-05-2013, 07:03 AM

Straker

08-05-2013, 07:23 AM

This is why movies that aren't as well known don't have a prayer of making the cut....

_____V_____

08-05-2013, 08:53 AM

Okay, the common film which is pretty much unanimously favored is The Last Man on Earth, so I move it to be our 21st finalised film for the 60s.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=954057#post954057

Let's have a good, old-fashioned shootout between the rest for that final 22nd spot - the winner of the majority of backings/supporters takes it.

This is a shootout between :-

The Brides of Dracula,
Onibaba,
The Little Shop of Horrors,
The Raven,
Invasion of the Triffids, and
Mr. Sardonicus.

CHOOSE ONE OUT OF THE ABOVE. Put your personal feelings aside for a moment and decide, neutrally, that which film, out of those SIX, is a cut above the rest and should be in.

metternich1815

08-05-2013, 09:11 AM

Out of those choices, I would choose Little Shops of Horror. Those are some really excellent choices, but that film is the best choice (out of those), in my opinion.

hammerfan

08-05-2013, 09:32 AM

The Brides of Dracula

The Villain

08-05-2013, 09:41 AM

Little Shop of Horrors gets my vote.

Kandarian Demon

08-05-2013, 09:42 AM

Putting personal feelings aside, I have to back Invasion of the Triffids - as much as I love the two comedies, the triffids are legendary and it would be odd to have a "best of" list without them.

Sculpt

08-05-2013, 06:10 PM

Putting personal feelings aside, I have to back Invasion of the Triffids - as much as I love the two comedies, the triffids are legendary and it would be odd to have a "best of" list without them.

I decidedly agree - Invasion of the Triffids (Day of the Triffids) is a really good important famous film, a favorite of a few people I know, a good representative of British film, and appropriately deserving of inclusion of the Best of 1960 Horror list.

Sculpt

08-05-2013, 06:28 PM

Bleh... I just want to say this process makes no sense to me whatsoever. People backing 3-4-5-6 titles for two spots. Things seesaw back and forth endlessly. Pick the two films you really want to see in those spots and be done with it.

Oh, c'mon now... We're already into the 1960's. We're thoroughly enjoying Z's thread and the process. What's the point in rushing through it? Besides, it doesn't escape notice that you don't mind making extra posts and appeals when your pushing films you appreciate... 'follow the rules', 'rules don't make sense', 'slow down', 'hurry up'... wouldn't have it any other way! :)

The Villain

08-05-2013, 06:31 PM

Sculpt

08-05-2013, 06:35 PM

It's V, not Z. Are you the same one who did that before? Is your keyboard different from mine? I know they're close but it's not like they're right next to each other. :rolleyes:

Garrr!!! Why do I keep doing that!? LOL! Sorry, V! It is a keyboard thing. I know "V" comes from the film V for Vendetta, a great film I own. Oh, well, you know what I mean. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/crazyeyes.gif

The Villain

08-05-2013, 06:47 PM

Garrr!!! Why do I keep doing that!? LOL! Sorry, V! It is a keyboard thing. I know "V" comes from the film V for Vendetta, a great film I own. Oh, well, you know what I mean. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/crazyeyes.gif

It's a comic too :cool:

neverending

08-05-2013, 07:07 PM

Oh, c'mon now... We're already into the 1960's. We're thoroughly enjoying Z's thread and the process. What's the point in rushing through it? Besides, it doesn't escape notice that you don't mind making extra posts and appeals when your pushing films you appreciate... 'follow the rules', 'rules don't make sense', 'slow down', 'hurry up'... wouldn't have it any other way! :)

None of what you said deals in any way with what I said. I didn't say people were posting too much, or too often. I said it makes no sense to back more than two films when we're trying to decide on two spots. I have never done so. I don't care how many "appeals" people make- just that they should make sense within the context of the task at hand.

And why are you stirring up this issue at this piont anyway? V has asked us to pick ONE FILM FROM A LIST OF SIX. Any rehashing of past issues serves no useful purpose.

Giganticface

08-05-2013, 07:23 PM

I vote for whichever one is winning. We have seven pages of posts in our attempt to select two films. Can we move on to the honorable mentions sometime this week? :)

Not that I'm complaining. What the hell else are we gonna do.

neverending

08-05-2013, 07:57 PM

Ibelieve, at the moment there is a tie.

_____V_____

08-05-2013, 09:45 PM

neverending

08-05-2013, 10:21 PM

I'm afraid I'm quite confused by how these totals are calculated.

Does each vote count for two?

Giganticface

08-05-2013, 11:06 PM

2 members who already backed Little Shop of Horrors have chosen it from the SIX,

2 members who already backed Invasion of the Triffids have chosen that from the SIX (one is for Honorable Mentions),

...yes, it is a tie between them, but in terms of overall votes/backings, Little Shop is ahead (6 against 4).

And even with only 1 vote (by hammerfan), Brides of Dracula is ahead at 8 supporters.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=954057#post954057

But, in the interest of fairness, and to get more clarification from Giganticface regarding his vote, I am keeping this open for 12 more hours. That will be the final stretch, and if the tie gets broken by then, well and good.

If not, we will seal Brides of Dracula as our 22nd film and move to the Honorable Mentions.

I'm cool with that decision, V. Brides of Dracula got four original votes and four backings, which is a pretty strong showing. If it makes any difference I'm willing to blind back that movie.

...

As we transition to the Honorable Mentions, I'd like to share my thoughts about the top 22. Undeniably, it's a great list. I haven't seen about a third of them, and I know I should, but it's clearly a quality list. However, I like to think of this project as a reflection of the history of horror, and not just the "best" movies of the decade, so here are my observations, which hopefully might be reflected in the Honorable Mentions.

1. We have 5 (or is it 6?) films starring Vincent Price. I know he's a master of his craft, and a true horror icon, but some variety would be nice. We almost had another make the list (The Raven), which I haven't seen, and I'm sure it's great, but how about spreading the wealth a bit?

2. The Sixties was the decade that pop culture and entertainment turned on its head. Mid-decade marked a change in the tide, where it became okay for a hero to be flawed, even an anti-hero, and pop culture in general became much more jaded. I'm glad our list doesn't go overboard representing this, but personally I think it's a little thin. Spider Baby, Witchfinder General, and (I haven't seen, but assume) The Cremator and Repulsion are good examples, and also the well-documented example, NotLD. You could make a case for Rosemary's Baby, however, besides those, I think we're over-representing the early Sixties and a classic style that was getting phased out. We should take the opportunity to reflect this important transition in history.

3. Italian horror and giallo was a hugely influential movement that left us with some of our all-time favorite horror films, and it started here. Mario Bava provided the template of what would evolve over the next 20 years. Personally, I would choose Black Sabbath as a foreshadowing of the upcoming style, but if you don't think an anthology should be on the list then perhaps Kill Baby Kill. If you guys think Black Sunday (which I haven't seen), or a different film is a better choice, I'm totally on board. Unless I'm overlooking something, I'm actually flabbergasted that not a single Bava film got a vote.

4. For all practical purposes, splatter was born in the Sixties. I don't care if it's Blood Feast or Two Thousand Maniacs! but we should give Herschell Gordon Lewis his due. I forget if Gore Gore Girls or Bloodsucking Freaks made the 70s list, but I'd be surprised, and they probably shouldn't. I'd vote for Blood Feast because it's the first.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. I didn't submit a list for the 60s the first time around because I didn't think I was was well-enough versed, and overall for the decade I still feel that way. But I do think we could round out our list a bit with the Honorable Mentions.

neverending

08-05-2013, 11:16 PM

So if you initially back a film, you can back it again, effectively backing it twice? Or three times, depending on how many times we take a vote?

Giganticface

08-05-2013, 11:21 PM

Well, Brides of Dracula got four original votes, then four backings during the debate (which could be the same four that originally voted for it).

The Brides of Dracula (1960) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by realdealblues, Sculpt, hammerfan)

neverending

08-05-2013, 11:25 PM

Yes, I can read the list fine.

This is why I don't think people should be able to back more than two films when we were trying to fill two spots.

_____V_____

08-06-2013, 04:34 AM

So if you initially back a film, you can back it again, effectively backing it twice? Or three times, depending on how many times we take a vote?

No, you can't. We are taking only the votes + backings into contention here.

The original 4 votes for Brides of Dracula came from Sculpt, metternich1815, fortunato & hammerfan.

The votes this time around by members who have already backed their films won't count, hence my first two lines in my earlier post.

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Giganticface's backing of Brides of Dracula takes it's number of supporters to 9. Unless there's a turnaround in the next 5 hours, it looks like it will seal the 22nd place.

neverending

08-06-2013, 08:21 AM

Forgive me for nitpicking this point, but I can't find these 5 extra votes for Brides of Dracula, and I've gone all the way back to the posting of the 60s in the cut post.

V, you say:

The original 4 votes for Brides of Dracula came from Sculpt, metternich1815, fortunato & hammerfan.

Since then, the only votes for Brides of Dracula that I see are hammerfan (post 851 and again at post 858) - but you say you can't count that since she was one of the original backers.

Then there was sculpt - but again, he was one of the original backers, so can't be counted.

So, the only additional votes I see for this title are by realdealblues and giganticface.

That would leave Brides of Dracula with 6, not 9 votes.

I beg your indulgence V, for my attempt at counting on my own. I clearly am not very good at it.

_____V_____

08-06-2013, 08:48 AM

When we originally started on the 60s for the very first time (all the way some 3-4 months back), people were asked to send their 20 choices for the 60s from the films listed in the main Master List of all films released between 1960 and 1969 (http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=947179&postcount=206).

I received 10 lists for the 60s (http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=948894&postcount=286), each with 20 choices, from members - The Villain, fortunato, Sculpt, neverending, metternich1815, Straker, roshiq, Kandarian Demon, realdealblues & hammerfan.

Out of those, 4 members listed The Brides of Dracula in their top 20 choices - Sculpt, metternich1815, fortunato & hammerfan. Hence, The Brides of Dracula received 4 votes.

Subsequently, in our two rounds of debating for the final choices for the 60s - first round for 20 films, second round now for 2 more films & 6 Honorable Mentions - we have had members supporting the film, and accordingly listed as backings/second backings (http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=954057#post954057).

Those were from The Villain, realdealblues, Sculpt and hammerfan again.

I'll say the movies that got 4 votes should go in and ill give Quatermass and the Pit a vote

I'll 2nd what he said...

For the Final 22, I'd also like to back The Brides of Dracula, which I've always considered the best Hammer film.

I'll back The Brides of Dracula and The Last Man on Earth

Hammerfan's & Sculpt's backing for Brides of Dracula during our second debate for the final 2 films for the 60s stay, since that was independent of the 20-film debating period. (all members are granted to back their listed films ONCE, same privilege is given for all members)

Hammerfan's second attempt at voting (one out of the SIX) for this round's SHOOTOUT won't be taken into account, since she has already voted for the film in her top 20 AND backed it during the subsequent debates.

Hence, Brides of Dracula has 9 supports behind it - 4 voters, 4 backers/second backers, and now Giganticface.

neverending

08-06-2013, 08:57 AM

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

_____V_____

08-06-2013, 09:03 AM

Added the relevant quoted posts and edited a few parts of my post above to clarify it a bit more. Please go through it again.

_____V_____

08-06-2013, 10:06 AM

12 hours have passed, and the situation has stayed the same.

So, by default, The Brides of Dracula seals the final spot for the top 22 of the 1960s.

The other FIVE films in the fray for that final spot now line up in the probables for the Honorable Mentions.

We need ONE more from the rest to stack up with them.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=954057#post954057

Agreements/objections/other suggestions?

metternich1815

08-06-2013, 10:13 AM

I am going to list all the films I am backing, even if I have already backed them I will list them. So, here are the films I am backing:

Onibaba
The Little Shop of Horrors
Blood Feast
Invasion of the Triffids
Viy (I am removing my backing for Hour of the Wolf)
Village of the Damned (I can't believe that only one person has voted for it and no one has backed it. It is an excellent classic from the 1960s)

metternich1815

08-06-2013, 10:20 AM

I do have one question. Are the backings for top 22 and honorable mentions equal? The reason I ask is that the backings for honorable mention are still asterisked.

_____V_____

08-06-2013, 10:27 AM

No, they are not. Backings for spots in the top 22 are indicated by ITALICISED names, while backings for Honorable Mentions are separated within curly brackets {} and marked with an asterisk (*).

metternich1815's choices have been added. Of course, the ones he wanted to be a part of the top 22 stay as italicised under his name. Blood Feast now joins the ranks of Honorable Mentions as our SIXTH chosen one.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=954057#post954057

So, do we all agree on these 6 choices for the Honorable Mentions? If yes, we can wrap up the 60s and move into the 70s.

metternich1815

08-06-2013, 10:29 AM

No, they are not. Backings for spots in the top 22 are indicated by ITALICISED names, while backings for Honorable Mentions are separated within curly brackets {} and marked with an asterisk (*).

metternich1815's choices have been added. Of course, the ones he wanted to be a part of the top 22 stay as italicised under his name.

So, just to be clear, if a film has two backings for honorable mention and two regular backings (for top 22), then the second one will carry more weight?

_____V_____

08-06-2013, 10:32 AM

So, just to be clear, if a film has two backings for honorable mention and two regular backings (for top 22), then the second one will carry more weight?

Most definitely.

metternich1815

08-06-2013, 10:32 AM

Most definitely.

Okay, that makes sense. I just wanted to make sure.

_____V_____

08-06-2013, 10:39 AM

All in agreement for our SIX honorable mentions for the 60s?
Or do we have any objections/debates/arguments for any/most/all of them?

neverending

08-06-2013, 10:54 AM

I approve of the 6.

metternich1815

08-06-2013, 10:56 AM

I would like to have seen Village of the Damned in there, but it is a pretty solid list, in my opinion. I am fine with it.

Kandarian Demon

08-06-2013, 11:02 AM

Me too ...........

Giganticface

08-06-2013, 11:04 AM

metternich1815

08-06-2013, 11:18 AM

I have decided that I will remove my backing for Viy because I do not think anyone will back it. I backed it, so that there would be a little more variety. I will replace that backing with another one. I will back Black Sabbath. Giganticface made a great point. And, now that he says that, it is unbelievable that there are no Bava films on this list, so I decided to back, arguably, his most important film. Sorry, I do not know the film's foreign title.

Giganticface

08-06-2013, 11:27 AM

neverending

08-06-2013, 12:05 PM

The Villain

08-06-2013, 12:44 PM

I'm good with those movies selected

Straker

08-06-2013, 01:12 PM

I am happy with the final 6, its unfortunate if Bava misses out, but if he misses out at the expense of, for example, Kanito Shindo (Onibaba, Kuroneko) then that what have we really accomplished? I could've happily backed Onibaba, Kuroneko or Kwaidan, two of which made my original 20. I chose Onibaba because I figured it would get more support and was the best route to get Asian horror represented. Really hope we don't see it drop out at this late stage.

I also want to add that I backed I Vampiri for the 50's, not only was this one of Bava's first directing efforts, it was also the first Italian horror of the sound era. Not the best example of his work, but still a landmark in the genre and Bava's career, featuring both beautiful cinematography from Bava and some quality set design. It received no backing.

Kandarian Demon

08-06-2013, 01:50 PM

I think the only reason Bava isn't there is because of V's use of foreign titles. I'm not putting the blame on V, but on lazy bastards like myself who couldn't be bothered with looking up foreign titles, when there were hundreds of other films to consider.

Yes... I'm guilty too.

I know you think Karloff/Price/Lorre/Corman/Matheson are overrepresented, but there's a reason if someone says name a horror actor, the majority of the time it's going to be one of those.

Also some actors were simply in a LOT of movies, especially in the days of "classic horror", and saying that an actor can only be represented X amount of times could mean that several important movies would have to be "banned" from the final list.

Giganticface

08-06-2013, 01:55 PM

I think the only reason Bava isn't there is because of V's use of foreign titles. I'm not putting the blame on V, but on lazy bastards like myself who couldn't be bothered with looking up foreign titles, when there were hundreds of other films to consider. I think Black Sunday should be on the list (not only for Bava, but Barbara Steele as well!), but I can't think of any of the 6 chosen to eliminate.

I know you think Karloff/Price/Lorre/Corman/Matheson are overrepresented, but there's a reason if someone says name a horror actor, the majority of the time it's going to be one of those. And it's a better film than some already chosen- such as Masque of the Red Death, or Pit and the Pendulum.

Mr. Sardonicus is certainly one of the top films of Castle's career.

Little Shop is a legend and an icon.

Triffids has been argued for persuasively by several.

Onibaba- I've never seen it, but if we eliminate it, then we lose diversity.

Blood Feast- as has been said, Lewis should be on the list. 2000 Manics is a better film, but this is his most famous.

I guess if Black Sunday was going to be included, I'd recommend eliminating one of the last two. Which should we lose- early Asian horror or a seminal Lewis film?

You make a compelling case.

I'd rather not lose Onibaba or Blood Feast for what they represent.

I wish we could replace the Quatermass sequel with Triffids, but I suppose it's too late for that.

Little Shop is certainly iconic. Personally, I think we could live without it because it's not _required_ on a horror list... it's horror-themed. If it were that essential, it should have made the initial top 20. But yeah, it's a tough one to lose.

I would vote for dropping The Raven. I know you backed it, and it might be better than some already on the list, but it's not seminal -- it's just another really good film in a genre that's already heavily represented in the list. Ignoring the inception of giallo would be a flaw in our "history."

[edit]:
Also, remember we're talking about Honorable Mentions here. That doesn't have to mean "the next best that didn't make the list." It's a good way to do some clean up on the proper list. We have Asian horror, B-movie/exploitation/splatter-inception, comedy (assuming we keep Little Shop), and giallo if we get Bava in. I once read a top N horror list that had Michael Jackson's Thriller as an Honorable Mention. I thought that was a great idea. You would never in a million years include it in the list of proper "top" movies, but it was a great way to include it in the conversation, and show that it had significance.

Kandarian Demon

08-06-2013, 03:25 PM

I would like to remove one of my backings, if it's ok.

I backed both the Triffids and The Raven - but as much as I love The Raven, I would like to withdraw my backing from it if I can, to improve the chances of The Triffids, which I think deserves the spot more than The Raven - even if they are both excellent movies in their own ways.

Sculpt

08-06-2013, 07:12 PM

I'd like to give just a little time to guage interest in the arguments I made if possible. Based on the criteria I outlined, I'm going to back the following four movies:

Italian/Giallo:
- I'll back Black Sunday (aka The Mask of Satan) (1960), although I'm happy to change my vote to Black Sabbath, Kill Baby Kill, Blood and Black Lace, or any Mario Bava film that anyone is willing to back. IMO, if Bava can't make a list of the 28 most important horror films of the 60s, something is seriously wrong.

The Sixties being a Transitional Period:
- This is an odd choice, and won't get any support, but I'm going to back Django Kill... If You Live, Shoot! (1967). It's a horror/western hybrid that reflects the cultural changes of the time and a general shift towards cynicism in art: Hypocrisy in religion, gay cowboy gangs, suicide, and explicit violence (the scalping scene is epic). Plus, the avenging protagonist is the walking dead, and a generally a bad dude. An anti-hero.

If anyone else gets what I'm saying about this concept, agrees and would like to put forth a different example, I'll consider backing that too. Basically, it's the difference between Help! and Revolver.

Inception of Splatter:
- As mentioned (and already accounted for by V), I'll back Blood Feast (1963), not because it's a great movie (it sucks), but because it has balls, and it opened the door for a whole new element in horror.
I've enjoyed reading your incite in the era, getting some representation of what we might call 'a minor sub-genre', and a nod towards Bava's. Actually, it would be cool to include your write-up below the Honorable Mentions.

My thinking on having diversity, and having a representative film by a director of many films, or rep of a country, or being concerned with having too many films with an actor or actors is: I personally think it's a much higher priority to pick the best films. The single film is king.

If you've ever worked on a film/video/play/recording/etc, you get an appreciation for the 'life of their own' these films take. It comes from the input of so many different people, from personal, accidental & metaphysical means. What actor is in it, the director, country, era elements are secondary -- something to consider -- but secondary. That's just my long considered opinion. I think if a film is good enough, it will earn a spot on it's own merit.

Having said that, I'm OK with the original outcome we came to, and V presented. Which was:

Day of the Triffids (1962)
The Raven (1963)
Onibaba (1964)
The Little Shop of Horrors (1960)
Mr. Sardonicus (1961)
Blood Feast (1963)

As I stated, I think the best films deserve to get in. I think Day of Triffids and The Raven are the best, & too big to leave out.

I don't have an objection to replacing Blood Feast (or Mr Sar/Sho/Oni) if you guys really think Black Sunday is a straight-up better film.

Finally, if we're still in discussion, I actually agree with Metternich, where I think Village of the Damned (1960) is a classic. I'd be in favor of replacing Blood Feast with Village. But again, I'm OK with the list of 6 we have.

Sculpt

08-06-2013, 07:24 PM

I wish we could replace the Quatermass sequel with Triffids, but I suppose it's too late for that.

Quatermass and the Pit (1967) is in the Top 22. Just checking, did you mean you wish Day of the Triffids would replace Quatermass and the Pit in the Top 22?

The Villain

08-06-2013, 07:40 PM

Quatermass and the Pit (1967) is in the Top 22. Just checking, did you mean you wish Day of the Triffids would replace Quatermass and the Pit in the Top 22?

That's exactly what he wrote

Sculpt

08-06-2013, 08:01 PM

That's exactly what he wrote
Oh OK. I agree with that sentiment, Gigan. I think both films are very good. But yes, I know that part is closed. :)

_____V_____

08-06-2013, 10:45 PM

Majority are in favor for the 6 Honorable Mentions, so they are passed and we seal the 60s here.

After reading through the discussion (Giganticface, NE & Straker all make valid points here), and just so that we don't overlook the significance of films which were trend-setters and revolutionary in their respective periods, I have decided to make a SEPARATE SECTION for those films specifically pointed out, like Bava's masterpieces, pulpy classics and early Asian horrors.

That section will be called "HDC Members Specially Recommend", and will contain 40 films selected by HDC members on their merit of significance in the history of horror films alone, from 1897 - 2012. These films will free and separate from segregation of periods/eras, etc., and will solely make into this section for their significance alone.

I will go through the thread from the beginning and check out the debates and see which films made compelling and valid arguments for themselves but lost out in the final race for the top 22 + 6 Honorable Mentions.

Of course, that will be AFTER we are done with all periods of horror.

Now, let's check our final tally for the 60s and move into the 70s...

neverending

08-06-2013, 10:48 PM

Excellent idea, V!

You're a genius!

_____V_____

08-06-2013, 10:49 PM

Here's our final tally for the 60s...

IN THE CUT

Psycho (1960) - 10

Night of the Living Dead (1968) - 9
Rosemary's Baby (1968) - 9

The Birds (1963) - 8
The Haunting (1963) - 8

Carnival of Souls (1962) - 7
House of Usher (1960) - 7
Repulsion (1965) - 7
The Masque of the Red Death (1964) - 7

Eyes Without a Face (1960) - 6
Peeping Tom (1960) - 6
The Innocents (1961) - 6
What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? (1962) - 6

Pit and the Pendulum (1961) - 5

Targets (1968) - 4
The Tomb of Ligeia (1964) - 4
Witchfinder General (1968) - 4

Quatermass and the Pit (1967) - 3
Spider Baby or, The Maddest Story Ever Told (1968) - 3

The Cremator (1969) - 2

The Last Man on Earth (1964) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by realdealblues, Kandarian Demon, hammerfan)[IN]
The Brides of Dracula (1960) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by realdealblues, Sculpt, hammerfan)

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HONORABLE MENTIONS

Onibaba (1964) - 3 (backed by [i]Straker, seconded by roshiq) {metternich1815*}
The Little Shop of Horrors (1960) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by The Villain, metternich1815)
The Raven (1963) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by Kandarian Demon, realdealblues)
Invasion of the Triffids (1962) - 2 (backed by Sculpt, seconded by Kandarian Demon) {metternich1815*}
Mr. Sardonicus (1961) - 2 (backed by neverending, seconded by Straker)
Blood Feast (1963) - 2 {backed by Giganticface*, seconded by metternich1815*}

DEBATABLE

The Curse of the Werewolf (1960) - 3

MINORITY

13 Ghosts (1960) - 2
Dracula has Risen From the Grave (1968) - 2
Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed (1969) - 2
Hour of the Wolf (1968) - 2
Kwaidan (1964) - 2
Mothra vs. Godzilla (1964) - 2 (backed by Sculpt)
Operazione paura (1966) - 2
Paranoiac (1963) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
The Creeping Terror (1964) - 2
The Evil of Frankenstein (1964) - 2
The Gorgon (1964) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
The Haunted Palace (1963) - 2 (backed by Kandarian Demon)
The Terror (1963) - 2

SINGLE VOTES TO

À Meia-Noite Levarei Sua Alma (1964)
Das Testament des Dr. Mabuse (1962)
Dementia 13 (1963)
Destroy All Monsters [1968]
Diary of a Madman (1963)
Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster [1964]
Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte (1964)
Invasion of Astro-Monster (Godzilla vs. Monster Zero) [1965]
Jesse James Meets Frankenstein's Daughter (1966)
La maschera del demonio (1960)
Mad Monster Party? (1967)
Mothra (1961)
Terrore nello spazio (1965)
Premature Burial (1962)
Tales of Terror (1962)
The Beast of Yucca Flats (1961)
The Boarding School aka La residencia (1969)
The Comedy of Terrors (1963)
The Devil Rides Out (1968)
The Fearless Vampire Killers (1967)
The Kiss of the Vampire (1963)
The Oblong Box (1969)
The Phantom of the Opera (1962)
The Tell-Tale Heart (1960)
Twice-Told Tales (1963)
Village Of The Damned (1960) (backed by metternich1815)
Viy (1967) {backed by metternich1815*}

SPECIAL SECTION - REST OF THE GIANT MONSTER FILMS OF THE 60s :-

All Monsters Attack 1969
Atragon 1963
Bambi Meets Godzilla 1969
Daikyoju- Gappa 1967
Dinosaurus! 1960
Dogora, the Space Monster 1964
Frankenstein Conquers the World 1965
Gamera 1965
Gamera vs. Barugon 1966
Gamera vs. Guiron 1969
Gamera vs. Gyaos 1967
Gamera vs. Viras 1968
Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster 1966
Gorath 1962
Gorgo 1961
King Kong Escapes 1967
King Kong vs Godzilla 1962
Kong Island 1968
Konga 1961
Latitude Zero 1969
One Million Years B.C. 1966
Reptilicus 1961
Son of Godzilla 1967
The Magic Serpent 1966
The Mysterious Island 1961
The Valley of Gwangi 1969
The X from Outer Space 1967
War of the Gargantuas 1966
Yongary, Monster from the Deep 1967

{* = HONORABLE MENTIONS}

We move to the 70s now...

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08-06-2013, 11:05 PM

The 70s - 1970 to 1979

IN THE CUT

Halloween (1978) - 10
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974) - 10

Alien (1979) - 9
Carrie (1976) - 9
Suspiria (1977) - 9

Dawn of the Dead (1978) - 8
Jaws (1975) - 8
The Abominable Dr. Phibes (1971) - 8
The Amityville Horror (1979) - 8
The Exorcist (1973) - 8

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978) - 7
Phantasm (1979) - 7

Last House on the Left (1972) - 6
The Omen (1976) - 6
The Wicker Man (1973) - 6
Zombi 2 (1979) - 6

The Hills Have Eyes (1977) - 5

Eraserhead (1977) - 3

Salem's Lot (1979 TV Movie) - 2

Rabid (1977)

Black Christmas (1974) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by realdealblues, metternich1815, Kandarian Demon)

Burnt Offerings (1976) - 2 (backed by hammerfan, seconded by [i]realdealblues, Giganticface, The Villain)[IN]

---------------------------------------------------------

HONORABLE MENTIONS

The Sentinel (1977) - 2 (backed by Straker, seconded by Giganticface, The Villain) {realdealblues*}
Martin (1977) - 2 {Straker*, neverending*, Giganticface*, Sculpt*, The Villain*}
The Night Stalker (1972 TV Movie) - 2 (backed by Sculpt, seconded by realdealblues) {The Villain*, neverending*, Straker}
Frankenstein: The True Story (1973, TV) - 2 (backed by Straker, seconded by neverending) {The Villain*, Kandarian Demon*, metternich1815*}
The Driller Killer (1979) {Neverending*, The Villain*, realdealblues*, Giganticface*, metternich1815*, Kandarian Demon*}
Deep Red (1975) {Giganticface*, realdealblues*, metternich1815*, Kandarian Demon*}

DEBATABLE

The Andromeda Strain (1971) - 3

MINORITY

A Bay of Blood (1971) - 2 (backed by roshiq)
Frogs (1972) - 2
I Spit on Your Grave (1978) - 2
Let's Scare Jessica to Death (1971) - 2
Magic (1978) - 2 (backed by Sculpt) {Giganticface*, The Villain*}
The Brood (1979) - 2 (backed by roshiq) {The Villain*, realdealblues*, Sculpt*} (-1)
The Dunwich Horror (1970) - 2 (backed by hammerfan)
The Legend of Hell House (1973) - 2 (backed by roshiq) {metternich1815*} (-1)

SINGLE VOTES TO

A Virgin Among the Living Dead (1973)
A Warning to the Curious (1972 TV)
Alucarda, la hija de las tinieblas (1977)
Awakening of the Beast (1970)
Blood for Dracula (1974) (backed by roshiq)
Captain Kronos - Vampire Hunter (1974)
Damien: Omen II (1978) (backed by Kandarian Demon)
Daughters of Darkness (1971)
Deliverance (1972)
Don't Be Afraid Of The Dark (1973 TV)
Dr. Phibes Rises Again (1972)
Dracula (1979)
Dracula A.D. 1972 (1972)
Empire of Passion (1978)
Flesh for Frankenstein (1973)
Frightmare (1974)
Ghost Story (1974)
Gojira tai Hedora (1971) (backed by Sculpt)
Grizzly (1976)
House of Dark Shadows (1970)
I Drink Your Blood (1970) (backed by roshiq) {realdealblues*}
It's Alive (1974) {metternich1815*}
King Kong (1976) {Giganticface*} (-2)
Kingdom of the Spiders (1977)
La noche del terror ciego (1972)
Le frisson des vampires (1971)
Madhouse (1974)
Non si sevizia un paperino (1972)
Nosferatu the Vampyre (1979) {metternich1815*, Sculpt*}
Orca (1977)
Soylent Green (1973)
Sssssss (1973)
Straw Dogs (1971) {Giganticface*}
Tales from the Crypt (1974)
Taste the Blood of Dracula (1970)
The Food of the Gods (1976)
The Ghost Galleon (1974)
The Horror of Frankenstein (1970)
The Incredible Melting Man (1977)
The Other (1972)
The Satanic Rites of Dracula (1973)
The Spell (1977 TV Movie)
The Stepford Wives (1976) (backed by metternich1815)
The Tenant (1976)
The Town That Dreaded Sundown (1976)
Theatre of Blood (1973)
Trilogy of Terror (1975 TV Movie)
When a Stranger Calls (1979)
Willard (1971)
Within the Woods (1978 Short Film)
Your Vice Is a Locked Room and Only I Have the Key (1972)

SPECIAL SECTION - REST OF THE GIANT MONSTER FILMS OF THE 70s :-

A*P*E 1976
Daigoro vs. Goliath 1972
Empire of the Ants 1977
Gamera vs. Jiger 1970
Gamera vs. Zigra 1971
Godzilla vs. Gigan 1972
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla 1974
Godzilla vs. Megalon 1973
Night of the Lepus 1972
Prophecy 1979
Queen Kong 1976
Space Amoeba 1970
Terror of Mechagodzilla 1975
The Food of the Gods 1976
The Giant Spider Invasion 1975
The Mighty Peking Man 1977

{* = HONORABLE MENTIONS}

The initial backings/negations stay.

Adding a special "Giant Monster" films section at the end for due consideration, since it was demanded.

Remember, we are here to select TWO films from the remaining ones from the DEBATABLE section onwards.
The "In The Cut" section is NOT for debate.

Once that is done, we can proceed to select SIX films from the remaining films for our Honorable Mentions.

OR, if everyone is in joint agreement, we can shortlist the TWO films from the 3-votes section for our Top 22, and get the Honorable Mentions from the rest.

OR we can go the old-fashioned way and debate till we get our chosen films.

Either way, let's hear it.

neverending

08-06-2013, 11:14 PM

Good god.... am I the only one left around here who's heard of Abel Ferrara?

Giganticface

08-06-2013, 11:16 PM

Excellent idea, V!

You're a genius!

Sweet! Great idea, V.

Good god.... am I the only one left around here who's heard of Abel Ferrara?

I'm not following. Is that a plea for backings of The Driller Killer? (Love his character in that film... such a spazz.)

metternich1815

08-06-2013, 11:46 PM

Interesting idea V. I'll back Black Christmas and The Stepford Wives for Top 22.

neverending

08-07-2013, 12:00 AM

Sweet! Great idea, V.

I'm not following. Is that a plea for backings of The Driller Killer? (Love his character in that film... such a spazz.)

It's a cry of frustrated disbelief. Ever felt that way?

Giganticface

08-07-2013, 12:02 AM

I've enjoyed reading your incite in the era, getting some representation of what we might call 'a minor sub-genre', and a nod towards Bava's. Actually, it would be cool to include your write-up below the Honorable Mentions.

My thinking on having diversity, and having a representative film by a director of many films, or rep of a country, or being concerned with having too many films with an actor or actors is: I personally think it's a much higher priority to pick the best films. The single film is king.

If you've ever worked on a film/video/play/recording/etc, you get an appreciation for the 'life of their own' these films take. It comes from the input of so many different people, from personal, accidental & metaphysical means. What actor is in it, the director, country, era elements are secondary -- something to consider -- but secondary. That's just my long considered opinion. I think if a film is good enough, it will earn a spot on it's own merit.

Having said that, I'm OK with the original outcome we came to, and V presented. Which was:

Day of the Triffids (1962)
The Raven (1963)
Onibaba (1964)
The Little Shop of Horrors (1960)
Mr. Sardonicus (1961)
Blood Feast (1963)

As I stated, I think the best films deserve to get in. I think Day of Triffids and The Raven are the best, & too big to leave out.

I don't have an objection to replacing Blood Feast (or Mr Sar/Sho/Oni) if you guys really think Black Sunday is a straight-up better film.

Finally, if we're still in discussion, I actually agree with Metternich, where I think Village of the Damned (1960) is a classic. I'd be in favor of replacing Blood Feast with Village. But again, I'm OK with the list of 6 we have.

Thanks for the nice compliments about my comments, Sculpt. We're definitely on different sides of the coin on this topic though. We're not making a movie, we're making a list. If I were teaching a class on the history of rock music, and I only had time to go into detail about 10 albums, and I thought 5 of the best albums were by the Beatles so I spend half the semester talking about the Beatles... well that wouldn't be a very good class IMO.

We have a list here at HDC for the top 100 most disturbing and gorrific films. If half that list were from the torture subgenre because those truly were the most disturbing, that wouldn't be a very good list IMO. Instead, the list contains plenty of films that aren't terribly disturbing, but a wide variety of styles and approaches are represented at varying degrees of disturbing. It's a good list.

If I were a visitor who stumbled upon this HDC list called 100 Years of Horror, I would hope that list would give me a solid, thorough overview of all the high points and important points that occurred over the century. That's just me though. Maybe not everyone would expect that. For the most part I think we're doing a decent job of that, but there are a few glaring omissions, and some imbalance, and not just in the 60s.

At any rate, I love V's idea, and I think that solves the problem.

Oh yeah, and Black Sunday is an infinitely better movie than Blood Feast. That's not why I backed Blood Feast.

Sculpt

08-07-2013, 12:03 AM

Excellent idea, V!

You're a genius!

I've enjoyed reading your incite in the era, getting some representation of what we might call 'a minor sub-genre', and a nod towards Bava's. Actually, it would be cool to include your write-up below the Honorable Mentions.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/wavey.gif

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Giganticface

08-07-2013, 12:04 AM

It's a cry of frustrated disbelief. Ever felt that way?

Haha, yep! I'm just not following what it's in reference to. Oh well, my mind is typically full of non sequiturs.

metternich1815

08-07-2013, 12:07 AM

Thanks for the nice compliments about my comments, Sculpt. We're definitely on different sides of the coin on this topic though. We're not making a movie, we're making a list. If I were teaching a class on the history of rock music, and I only had time to go into detail about 10 albums, and I thought 5 of the best albums were by the Beatles so I spend half the semester talking about the Beatles... well that wouldn't be a very good class IMO.

We have a list here at HDC for the top 100 most disturbing and gorrific films. If half that list were from the torture subgenre because those truly were the most disturbing, that wouldn't be a very good list IMO. Instead, the list contains plenty of films that aren't terribly disturbing, but a wide variety of styles and approaches are represented at varying degrees of disturbing. It's a good list.

If I were a visitor who stumbled upon this HDC list called 100 Years of Horror, I would hope that list would give me a solid, thorough overview of all the high points and important points that occurred over the century. That's just me though. Maybe not everyone would expect that. For the most part I think we're doing a decent job of that, but there are a few glaring omissions, and some imbalance, and not just in the 60s.

At any rate, I love V's idea, and I think that solves the problem.

Oh yeah, and Black Sunday is an infinitely better movie than Blood Feast. That's not why I backed Blood Feast.

I completely understand your points here, but I still think we have made some really good lists, so far, even if they aren't perfect. That is just my opinion though.

Giganticface

08-07-2013, 12:11 AM

I completely understand your points here, but I still think we have made some really good lists, so far, even if they aren't perfect. That is just my opinion though.

I don't disagree. This is going to be a killer final product, and I can't wait to see it in its entirety.

Sculpt

08-07-2013, 12:33 AM

For inclusion in the Final 22 I back, and seek endorsements for this film:

Godzilla Vs The Smog Monster (1971) (Hedora)- A fantastic, innovative and scary film. It's psychedelic, they included animated sequences, amazing set and colors, use of jazz and acid rock, where they mix jazz in with the spoken parts, including rather bizarre things, like the eggs of Monster. It's the first film to attack the issue of pollution, at the same time it's a metaphor for the evil/neglect of mankind.

The horror scenes include a coastal giant sludge tadpole menacing a child's father, and then the child slicing it with his knife. In a nightclub, slug from monster pours down the steps, like the blob (the ending of the scene with the slug covered cat meowing is classic!). The Smog Monster flies over a children camp exercising, releases it's smog on them, and they're left as smoking skeletons (child's film?). The "flower children" teens are partying at night when a GIGANTIC Hedora walks up, even towering over Godzilla (genius). A true period piece.

If you haven't seen Godzilla Vs The Smog Monster, you are missing an artistic film treat! A truly special film. I invite you to toke up, and follow it up with the Yellow Submarine. ;)

Animated sequences like this: http://youtu.be/rVLaqFWpm7A

Sculpt

08-07-2013, 01:32 AM

Also, for the Final 22, I'd also like to support:

The Night Stalker (1972 TV Movie) - A classic, always highly rated, thoroughly enjoyable. Best made for TV I've ever seen, any genre. "An abrasive Las Vegas newspaper reporter investigates a series of murders committed by a vampire." Can see full film on Youtube.com for free http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAy8v0FMoAM

If I were to support more than 2 films for the 22:

Magic (1978) - fascinating, and unusually scary film about a ventriloquist (Anthony Hopkins) who can't put his dummy down, even for 20 secs... he's insane. Directed by Richard Attenborough. also starring Ann-Margret, and Burgess Meredith.

The Andromeda Strain is a great film, I just don't consider it Horror.

The Villain

08-07-2013, 03:31 AM

I....need to watch more movies. I haven't seen most of those.

*shamefully hangs head*

If anyone gives some compelling arguments I'll back the films you suggest

Sculpt

08-07-2013, 03:53 AM

...If anyone gives some compelling arguments I'll back the films you suggestSee my two posts prior to yours. :)

hammerfan

08-07-2013, 04:16 AM

Burnt Offerings
The Dunwich Horror

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08-07-2013, 04:21 AM

Added.

Also underlined the backings for other films so that they stand out from the rest and are easily distinguishable.

Looks like Black Christmas will be our 21st chosen one for the 70s.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=954398&postcount=907

Keep 'em thoughts coming, folks.

realdealblues

08-07-2013, 04:38 AM

For the final spot I would be fine with either:

Burn Offerings
or
The Night Stalker

Both are from the mind of Dan Curtis who created Dark Shadows.

Burnt Offerings is a great haunted house story with Oliver Reed and Karen Black.

The Night Stalker is the tale of a journalist played by Darren McGavin investigating murders being committed by a vampire. This was so successful (along with The Night Strangler) that it led to the TV Show "Kolchak, The Night Stalker" which is one of my favorite TV shows.

hammerfan

08-07-2013, 04:44 AM

Burnt Offerings is a great haunted house story with Oliver Reed and Karen Black.

Don't forget Bette Davis!

Kandarian Demon

08-07-2013, 05:04 AM

I'll back:
Damien: Omen II
The Satanic Rites of Dracula

_____V_____

08-07-2013, 05:50 AM

All added.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=954398#post954398

Looks like a 4-horse race for that final spot.

Agreements/objections/new contenders?

Straker

08-07-2013, 07:39 AM

Giganticface

08-07-2013, 09:22 AM

There are a few films currently sitting with no backings that absolutely must make at least the honourable mentions section, but I will resist the temptation to get behind them for now and just copy & paste my comments on The Sentinel from earlier in the thread;

The Sentinel: For a very ordinary director, Michael Winner managed to deliver some moments of real directing genius. The Sentinel is one of those movies that just oozes atmosphere. Unsettling atmosphere, genuinely creepy and uncomfortable horror with a really fine ensemble of supporting actors. Beautifully insidious undertone to the whole movie, underappreciated classic of the genre.

Totally agree. I've already backed this one, and assume the Sentinal is part of the 4-horse race because it has two backings?

I'l also back Burnt Offerings.

[edit]:
Also, I hate to do this because I know it's not the right time yet, but I'm going to be busy for the next couple days and might not be able to check in. For honorable mentions, I'll back:

Deep Red
The Brood
Magic
King Kong
Straw Dogs

The Villain

08-07-2013, 09:45 AM

After review I'll back Burnt Offerings and The Sentinel

_____V_____

08-07-2013, 10:20 AM

Looks like Black Christmas's spot has just been challenged by The Sentinel, while Burnt Offerings has just found enough backers to slide into the 21st spot itself.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=954398&postcount=907

The two made-for-TV films are breathing down the necks of the contenders as well. An interesting battle has shaped up.

Keep the thoughts coming, folks.

metternich1815

08-07-2013, 10:32 AM

Black Christmas is often considered the first slasher film. I have even read a book which classified all horror before Black Christmas and all horror after, thus stating that this film officially dawned a new era of horror. This fact can not be ignored. Of course, it did not make as much money as other films like Halloween or even The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but it is still a very worthy film to add. What is interesting is that, in addition to this, the film is surprisingly good. The film has an interesting premise and story. Plus, the acting is pretty good for a film like this. Even the killer (whose identity is never revealed) is intriguing. The film even has a little humor, which is interesting. No top 1970s horror list would be complete without this film. To be honest, I am surprised that this film is not already on the list.

Kandarian Demon

08-07-2013, 01:25 PM

I would like to withdraw my backing of "The Satanic Rites of Dracula" and back "Black Christmas" instead, if that is ok.

Metternich's post made me rethink my backings...

I prefer the Dracula movie, but from what I remember Christopher Lee's Dracula has already been represented in the list, and my backing for the movie in this case probably won't make any difference any way. So I would rather back Black Christmas...

The Villain

08-07-2013, 02:29 PM

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08-07-2013, 09:18 PM

metternich1815

08-07-2013, 09:25 PM

I am fine with the choices.

Sculpt

08-07-2013, 10:58 PM

Black Christmas and Burnt Offerings... famous and notable; but in my opinion, not bad, but not particularly good or loved films. More honorable mentions types to me. But they clearly cleaned up on votes. No objections here.

The Villain

08-08-2013, 02:01 AM

Done.

Looks like Black Christmas and Burnt Offerings have the maximum support to be our 2 chosen films.

(Villain, is that a negative vote above?)

Agreements/objections?

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=954398#post954398

No its not a negative vote. Just why I didn't vote for it. I may not like it but its generally regarded as a well made important film in the genre. I wouldn't want it not included just because of my personal preference. Oh and I'm fine with both films presented.

realdealblues

08-08-2013, 11:37 AM

All fine with me.

_____V_____

08-08-2013, 01:03 PM

4 NOCs so far. What about the others?

Kandarian Demon

08-08-2013, 01:06 PM

I have no complaints either.

Straker

08-08-2013, 01:07 PM

Fine with me...

Giganticface

08-08-2013, 01:17 PM

Yep, I like it.

_____V_____

08-09-2013, 12:16 AM

Okay, looks like the majority are in favor so the top 22 are sealed.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=954398#post954398

Now - the Honorable Mentions. Quite a few frontrunners for those 6 slots:-

The Sentinel (1977) 2 votes, 3 backings

Frankenstein: The True Story (1973, TV) 2 votes, 2 backings
The Night Stalker (1972 TV Movie) 2 votes, 2 backings
Magic (1978) 2 votes, 2 backings
The Brood (1979) 2 votes, 2 backings

A Bay of Blood (1971) 2 votes, 1 backing
The Dunwich Horror (1970) 2 votes, 1 backing
The Legend of Hell House (1973) 2 votes, 1 backing

+

A single vote with a single backing to the following:

Blood for Dracula (1974)
Damien: Omen II (1978)
Deep Red (1975)
Gojira tai Hedora (1971)
I Drink Your Blood (1970)
King Kong (1976)
Straw Dogs (1971)
The Stepford Wives (1976)

Do we go with the top 5 by default and select ONE more from the rest?

Thoughts?

Sculpt

08-09-2013, 12:42 AM

Considering the 5, are think there are better choices. I'd prefer all list the six we want. And post any 'why it should be included' with it.

To read why film should be selected, read corresponding # below.

1. Godzilla Vs. The Smog Monster (Gojira tai Hedora) 1971) (want diversity for our list?)
2. The Night Stalker (1972)
3. Magic (1978)
4. King Kong (1976)
5. The Stepford Wives (1976)
6. The Legend of Hell House (1973)

1. Gojira tai Hedora - A fantastic, innovative and scary film. It's psychedelic, they included animated sequences, amazing set and colors, use of jazz and acid rock, where they mix jazz in with the spoken parts, including rather bizarre things, like the eggs of Monster. It's the first film to attack the issue of pollution, at the same time it's a metaphor for the evil/neglect of mankind.

The horror scenes include a coastal giant sludge tadpole menacing a child's father, and then the child slicing it with his knife. In a nightclub, slug from monster pours down the steps, like the blob (the ending of the scene with the slug covered cat meowing is classic!). The Smog Monster flies over a children camp exercising, releases it's smog on them, and they're left as smoking skeletons (child's film?). The "flower children" teens are partying at night when a GIGANTIC Hedora walks up, even towering over Godzilla (genius). A true period piece. One animated sequence: http://youtu.be/rVLaqFWpm7A

2. The Night Stalker (1972) A classic, always highly rated, thoroughly enjoyable. Best made for TV I've ever seen, any genre. "An abrasive Las Vegas newspaper reporter investigates a series of murders committed by a vampire." Can see full film on Youtube.com for free http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAy8v0FMoAM So impressive, garnered a sequel and TV series.

3. Magic (1978) - fascinating, and unusually scary film about a ventriloquist (Anthony Hopkins) who can't put his dummy down, even for 20 secs... he's insane. Directed by Richard Attenborough. also starring Ann-Margret, and Burgess Meredith.

4. King Kong (1976) - completely different take on King Kong. Dark, moody, superior foreboding music. Many a child shed a tear for Kong at the end.

5. The Stepford Wives (1976) - mega famous cultural landmark classic movie. I haven't met an adult who hasn't heard of it.

6. The Legend of Hell House (1973) - famous cult classic with Roddy McDowall.

neverending

08-09-2013, 01:09 AM

I would like to see Driller Killer get on this list somehow. It's important director Abel Ferrara's best film. Its violent take on depravity and degradation perfectly encapsulates the existential angst of the 70s, set against a punk rock backdrop. It even manages to be poetic in a few spots. Top all this off with the fact that Ferrara wrote, directed and stars in the film and we have a true tour de force. It's the one film from the 70s I think MUST be on the list, so I'm throwing all my backing behind this one film. Please give it your consideration.

I will also say that if King Kong somehow gets into consideration, I will negative vote it. It's a terrible film and a travesty of a remake.

The Villain

08-09-2013, 02:01 AM

I'll say:

The Sentinel
The Legend of Hell House
Magic
The Driller Killer
The Night Stalker
The Brood

realdealblues

08-09-2013, 06:09 AM

I Drink Your Blood (1970)
Deep Red (1975)
The Night Stalker (1972)
The Brood (1979)
The Sentinel (1977)
The Driller Killer (1979)

_____V_____

08-09-2013, 06:54 AM

Looks like we have some changes in our Honorable Mentions.

The SIX films which have 3 or more members backing them, as of right now (as UNDERLINED), are:-

Magic (1978) - 2 votes, 3 backings
The Brood (1979) - 2 votes, 4 backings
The Legend of Hell House (1973) - 2 votes, 3 backings
The Night Stalker (1972, TV movie) - 2 votes, 3 backings
The Sentinel (1977) - 2 votes, 4 backings
The Driller Killer (1979) - 1 vote, 3 backings

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=954398#post954398

Thoughts, agreements, debates?

Giganticface

08-09-2013, 07:00 AM

I'll get on the Driller Killer train and back it. One of the top themes I can think of for the 70s is that it was the peak period of grindhouse cinema. I would have lobbied for one if we didn't already have a few in the list (TCM, Last house on the Left, the Hills Have Eyes, even the Exorcist was big in the grindhouses, but that film might have also shown up in regular theaters). However, I love the idea of adding one that's not as well-known. Also, as neverending mentioned, it has an art house quality that would add diversity to the list. It's a good movie and somewhat misunderstood due to its inclusion in the Video Nasties list, which was probably purely due to its cover art.

I'm keeping my vote for King Kong though. ;)

metternich1815

08-09-2013, 07:16 AM

I will negative vote the King Kong remake, no offense to the people that liked it, but I do not see its significance and I find it to be a rather terrible film and remake. Additionally, I will back:
Driller Killer (This film come highly recommended from neverending, so I will back it)
It's Alive (Killer baby)
Deep Red (One of Argento's best films, in my opinion)
The Brood (A great Cronenberg piece from the 1970s)
Nosferatu The Vampyre (Generally regarded as a great remake of Nosferatu)

I stand by my backing of The Stepford Wives, I find it to be a really good movie and a classic from the 1970s.

Straker

08-09-2013, 07:52 AM

I love The Brood but it shouldn't be in the honourable mentions.... It's not strong enough. Cronenberg will be well represented without this offering.... Equally I don't think The Legend of Hell House belongs on the list. Its a fun flick and am a huge fan of Roddy McDowall, but this just isn't enough to get in the honourable mentions section if you ask me.

The biggest oversight in the list right now is that it wont include Martin... This is a movie that really belongs in the list. Its a quality take on the vampire tale, but more than that it captures the era perfectly. It a sleazy, dark, depressing slice of cinematic beauty. A low budget classic from Romero that I really think you guys should get behind. I regret not getting behind this movie sooner, but please guys, think about this one hard, because it really belongs on the list.

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neverending

08-09-2013, 08:12 AM

I'll back Martin.

Kandarian Demon

08-09-2013, 08:24 AM

I will back The Driller Killer and Deep Red.

_____V_____

08-09-2013, 08:58 AM

Well, 4 films have a clear majority of backings so I am moving them up into their separate "Honorable Mentions" section.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=954398#post954398

3 other frontrunners with 3 backings each are still UNDERLINED.

A new contender has emerged with 2 solid backings - Martin. It joins 3 other films in the list with 2 backings each (underlined also, for easier access). So that's a total of SEVEN films vying for the last 2 Honorable Mention spots (unless the FOUR chosen already receive negative votes/support back outs).

Straker, are those negative votes for Brood and Hell House? Please clarify.

Keep going, folks.

metternich1815

08-09-2013, 10:19 AM

I have already backed five or six films, but I will back one more The Legend of Hell House.

Straker

08-09-2013, 10:55 AM

Straker, are those negative votes for Brood and Hell House? Please clarify.

Yes.... Didn't want to neg vote anything and hoped I wouldn't need to neg vote films I like, but it is what it is.

The Brood: We already have Rabid in the cut, Scanners in the 80s, probably The Fly and Videodrome in their too. I want some diversity in our list rather than seeing every well known Cronenberg movie make our list. Love the film, just don't think it is a better choice, based on what we already have, and what we need to add to balance our list.

The Legend of Hell House: Its just not good enough to make the cut, we would have to give up some real quality for this and I don't understand why its getting so much support over some of the other flicks in contention.

Giganticface

08-09-2013, 11:07 AM

Straker makes a great point about Cronenberg. I backed it to mark the decade where Cronenberg first made an impact, but I overlooked that Rabid was already in there. I'll drop my backing of The Brood and add a backing for Martin.

Sculpt

08-09-2013, 11:12 AM

I was thinking Martin is a glaring omission too.

I'll remove my backings for King Kong, stepford wives, hell house, and replace with Martin, Nosferatu the Vampyre, and The Brood. Unless Straker is really negging a film with 6 backings, only then I'd flip that to... meh, can't find a better and important film than The Brood (besides the ones already selected and the ones I'm backing The Night Stalker, Magic and Godzilla Vs the Smog Monster).

Straker

08-09-2013, 11:13 AM

metternich1815

08-09-2013, 11:25 AM

I agree Straker made a good point about Cronenberg with reluctance I will remove my backing of it, but I will note that I actually really enjoy that film. I completely disagree with limiting the number of honorable mentions to two. I think it is good, as is.

The Villain

08-09-2013, 11:37 AM

I'll remove my backing of Hell House and back Martin as well.

_____V_____

08-09-2013, 12:10 PM

A turnaround - The Brood drops out of the top 4, and Martin storms in.

A new contender here, Herzog's Nosferatu, joins the race for the final 2 HM spots. Of course, Magic and Night Stalker still lead that race, with The Brood still in contention.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=954398&postcount=907

What next?

Sculpt

08-09-2013, 12:25 PM

Also, I want to put forward the idea that we should cap the number of films people can back in each section. Maybe just two honourable mention backings per era....I realise its a bit late in the day for this and I haven't thought the idea through too much so maybe there are negatives to this idea that I haven't considered. I just feel that we would get a better reflection of diversity if we limited the number of backing people could make. Just an idea, maybe too late now anyway, but I thought I would throw it out there, might make the last few decades a little more interesting.I agree Straker made a good point about Cronenberg with reluctance I will remove my backing of it, but I will note that I actually really enjoy that film. I completely disagree with limiting the number of honorable mentions to two. I think it is good, as is.
It's an interesting idea. One good thing about all of us picking 6 films is we get past the pet films everyone has demonstrated they have, and we get a wider consensus and find common appreciations of notable works.

Perhaps V might consider trying to combine the best aspects of both ideas: with the basic point system we're already using, each person backs two films, which allots two points each. And then their remaining four films are awarded one point each. That gives important films weight, and still affords a wider consensus.

For personal consideration/discussion: should any of us really decide to neg any films with the initial intent of try to 'make room' for another film we prefer? Rather, we seemed to have had been building a precedence, not only that negging would be extremely rare, but also that one wouldn't neg a film for being merely OK, but rather extremely bad in some way.

neverending

08-09-2013, 01:17 PM

If I'm allowed, I'll back again, Frankenstein the True Story. It's a quality television production with a star studded cast, and the only film to tell the entire story of Frankenstein as it was written in the book.

I'll also cast a vote for Night Stalker.

Kandarian Demon

08-09-2013, 03:22 PM

It's an interesting idea. One good thing about all of us picking 6 films is we get past the pet films everyone has demonstrated they have, and we get a wider consensus and find common appreciations of notable works.

Although I see your point, I think it becomes a problem if we have to back "just to back", if that makes any sense. Maybe that's just me, but I think you should back a movie because you think it deserves to be on the list, and not because "I'm missing 2, I guess I've got to pick something... "

For personal consideration/discussion: should any of us really decide to neg any films with the initial intent of try to 'make room' for another film we prefer? Rather, we seemed to have had been building a precedence, not only that negging would be extremely rare, but also that one wouldn't neg a film for being merely OK, but rather extremely bad in some way.

I totally agree with this. It shouldn't become a competition about who gets to have their favourite movies on the list. I wouldn't neg vote something unless I REALLY thought it was dreadful. But - NOT telling others what to do, this is just my personal opinion on neg voting.

metternich1815

08-09-2013, 03:26 PM

I totally agree with this. It shouldn't become a competition about who gets to have their favourite movies on the list. I wouldn't neg vote something unless I REALLY thought it was dreadful. But - NOT telling others what to do, this is just my personal opinion on neg voting.

There was only one time that I used negative voting to ensure a film that I thought was better would make it. All the other times, that I remember, I disliked the film that I neg voted and did not think that it deserved to be on the list. I have used it very rarely, in my opinion. Sometimes the films I wanted in were not necessarily my favorites, just films I believed should be on the list. For instance I loved Tarantula, but believed, objectively, that The Quatermass Xperiment better deserved to be on the list. I do get and understand what you are saying and I do agree that negative voting should be reserved.

Straker

08-09-2013, 03:31 PM

Awesome, loving the honourable mentions for this decade.... I'll back The Night Stalker too. I'm guessing my backing for Frankenstein: The True Story still stands from earlier in the process, hoping that it can still make a late run into the final couple of spots!

Straker

08-09-2013, 03:37 PM

Just to clarify my position on the two neg votes I made. I have hardly made any in this process, but when I do its because I don't believe the film belongs on the final list. If anyone can give me a reason why this is not the correct way to use a neg vote, I'm all ears...

_____V_____

08-10-2013, 02:13 AM

And we have The Night Stalker joining the ranks under Honorable Mentions as the 5th chosen film.

Still need to find ONE more, out of SIX frontrunners for that final spot.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=954398#post954398

_____V_____

08-10-2013, 10:01 PM

*bump*

Still need to finalise 1 more film before we start on the 80s, folks.

Sculpt

08-10-2013, 10:53 PM

_____V_____

08-10-2013, 11:42 PM

Question: on the 1970s list page, of the 6 you have underlined, what you're calling the "six front runners", The Brood and Legend of Hell House have a (-1); does that mean that are no longer in contention? If so, then there's really 4 underlined contenders; and "Magic" has a majority (3). Looks like we might be spent on 1970s. I'm pleased with the 22 and 6 Honorable Mentions with the most backings.

It simply means they are still in the fray, but have scored a negative vote each (by Straker). They will need more support to break away from the rest. Effectively, Magic and The Brood are tied together with equal support at the moment.

Again, I must ask you to refrain yourself from jumping the gun. We are still in search for that final film for the Honorable Mentions.

The Villain

08-11-2013, 03:58 AM

I'll back Frankenstein: The True Story

Sculpt

08-11-2013, 05:44 AM

It simply means they are still in the fray, but have scored a negative vote each (by Straker). They will need more support to break away from the rest. Effectively, Magic and The Brood are tied together with equal support at the moment.

Again, I must ask you to refrain yourself from jumping the gun. We are still in search for that final film for the Honorable Mentions.
Respectfully, I was not jumping the gun, V. I was asking you a question, and subquestion/conclusion. I was confused; I thought if someone negged a film, it meant it was out of the competition completely; that we all had a "veto" power, as opposed to that it was simply a minus one in the backing count. Now I know better. thanks!

_____V_____

08-11-2013, 06:24 AM

Villain's latest backing means 3 films are now in joint contention for that final spot for Honorable Mentions - Frankenstein: The True Story, Magic & The Brood.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=954398&postcount=907

Which one will break free and assert it's dominance?

Kandarian Demon

08-11-2013, 06:53 AM

I will back Frankenstein: The True Story

Straker

08-11-2013, 06:59 AM

I'll back Frankenstein: The True Story

I will back Frankenstein: The True Story

:cool:

.........

metternich1815

08-11-2013, 07:16 AM

I will back Frankenstein: The True Story.

Giganticface

08-11-2013, 09:34 AM

Sweet! I haven't seen it, but I'm sure it's good, and I'll be watching it soon. Always nice to get a good recommendation. I like where the 70s listed ended up.

_____V_____

08-11-2013, 09:49 AM

Okay, the majority have called it, so here's our final tally for the 70s:-

IN THE CUT

Halloween (1978) - 10
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974) - 10

Alien (1979) - 9
Carrie (1976) - 9
Suspiria (1977) - 9

Dawn of the Dead (1978) - 8
Jaws (1975) - 8
The Abominable Dr. Phibes (1971) - 8
The Amityville Horror (1979) - 8
The Exorcist (1973) - 8

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978) - 7
Phantasm (1979) - 7

Last House on the Left (1972) - 6
The Omen (1976) - 6
The Wicker Man (1973) - 6
Zombi 2 (1979) - 6

The Hills Have Eyes (1977) - 5

Eraserhead (1977) - 3

Salem's Lot (1979 TV Movie) - 2

Rabid (1977)

Black Christmas (1974) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by realdealblues, metternich1815, Kandarian Demon)

Burnt Offerings (1976) - 2 (backed by hammerfan, seconded by [i]realdealblues, Giganticface, The Villain)[IN]

---------------------------------------------------------

HONORABLE MENTIONS

The Sentinel (1977) - 2 (backed by Straker, seconded by Giganticface, The Villain) {realdealblues*}
Martin (1977) - 2 {Straker*, neverending*, Giganticface*, Sculpt*, The Villain*}
The Night Stalker (1972 TV Movie) - 2 (backed by Sculpt, seconded by realdealblues) {The Villain*, neverending*, Straker}
Frankenstein: The True Story (1973, TV) - 2 (backed by Straker, seconded by neverending) {The Villain*, Kandarian Demon*, metternich1815*}
The Driller Killer (1979) {Neverending*, The Villain*, realdealblues*, Giganticface*, metternich1815*, Kandarian Demon*}
Deep Red (1975) {Giganticface*, realdealblues*, metternich1815*, Kandarian Demon*}

DEBATABLE

The Andromeda Strain (1971) - 3

MINORITY

A Bay of Blood (1971) - 2 (backed by roshiq)
Frogs (1972) - 2
I Spit on Your Grave (1978) - 2
Let's Scare Jessica to Death (1971) - 2
Magic (1978) - 2 (backed by Sculpt) {Giganticface*, The Villain*}
The Brood (1979) - 2 (backed by roshiq) {The Villain*, realdealblues*, Sculpt*} (-1)
The Dunwich Horror (1970) - 2 (backed by hammerfan)
The Legend of Hell House (1973) - 2 (backed by roshiq) {metternich1815*} (-1)

SINGLE VOTES TO

A Virgin Among the Living Dead (1973)
A Warning to the Curious (1972 TV)
Alucarda, la hija de las tinieblas (1977)
Awakening of the Beast (1970)
Blood for Dracula (1974) (backed by roshiq)
Captain Kronos - Vampire Hunter (1974)
Damien: Omen II (1978) (backed by Kandarian Demon)
Daughters of Darkness (1971)
Deliverance (1972)
Don't Be Afraid Of The Dark (1973 TV)
Dr. Phibes Rises Again (1972)
Dracula (1979)
Dracula A.D. 1972 (1972)
Empire of Passion (1978)
Flesh for Frankenstein (1973)
Frightmare (1974)
Ghost Story (1974)
Gojira tai Hedora (1971) (backed by Sculpt)
Grizzly (1976)
House of Dark Shadows (1970)
I Drink Your Blood (1970) (backed by roshiq) {realdealblues*}
It's Alive (1974) {metternich1815*}
King Kong (1976) {Giganticface*} (-2)
Kingdom of the Spiders (1977)
La noche del terror ciego (1972)
Le frisson des vampires (1971)
Madhouse (1974)
Non si sevizia un paperino (1972)
Nosferatu the Vampyre (1979) {metternich1815*, Sculpt*}
Orca (1977)
Soylent Green (1973)
Sssssss (1973)
Straw Dogs (1971) {Giganticface*}
Tales from the Crypt (1974)
Taste the Blood of Dracula (1970)
The Food of the Gods (1976)
The Ghost Galleon (1974)
The Horror of Frankenstein (1970)
The Incredible Melting Man (1977)
The Other (1972)
The Satanic Rites of Dracula (1973)
The Spell (1977 TV Movie)
The Stepford Wives (1976) (backed by metternich1815)
The Tenant (1976)
The Town That Dreaded Sundown (1976)
Theatre of Blood (1973)
Trilogy of Terror (1975 TV Movie)
When a Stranger Calls (1979)
Willard (1971)
Within the Woods (1978 Short Film)
Your Vice Is a Locked Room and Only I Have the Key (1972)

SPECIAL SECTION - REST OF THE GIANT MONSTER FILMS OF THE 70s :-

A*P*E 1976
Daigoro vs. Goliath 1972
Empire of the Ants 1977
Gamera vs. Jiger 1970
Gamera vs. Zigra 1971
Godzilla vs. Gigan 1972
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla 1974
Godzilla vs. Megalon 1973
Night of the Lepus 1972
Prophecy 1979
Queen Kong 1976
Space Amoeba 1970
Terror of Mechagodzilla 1975
The Food of the Gods 1976
The Giant Spider Invasion 1975
The Mighty Peking Man 1977

{* = HONORABLE MENTIONS}

We now move into the 80s...

_____V_____

08-11-2013, 10:04 AM

The 80s - 1980 to 1989

IN THE CUT

A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) - 10

Evil Dead II (1987) - 9
The Evil Dead (1981) - 9
The Shining (1980) - 9

The Thing (1982) - 8

Friday the 13th (1980) - 7
Hellraiser (1987) - 7
Poltergeist (1982) - 7

Aliens (1986) - 6
An American Werewolf in London (1981) - 6
Fright Night (1985) - 6
Re-Animator (1985) - 6

Basket Case (1982) - 5
Videodrome (1983) - 5

Cannibal Holocaust (1980) - 4
Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (1986) - 4
The Fly (1986) - 4

Pet Sematary (1989) - 3
Scanners (1981) - 3
The Howling (1981) - 3

The Changeling (1980) (backed by Straker, seconded by The Villain, Giganticface, metternich1815, fortunato)
The Beyond (1981) - 3 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by [i]tiberius, fortunato, Giganticface, realdealblues, neverending) [IN]

---------------------------------------------------------

HONORABLE MENTIONS

The Return of the Living Dead (1985) - 4 (backed by Sculpt, seconded by natedog722, Kandarian Demon) {metternich1815*, Giganticface*, The Villain*}
Demons (1985) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by Straker) {Giganticface*, Kandarian Demon*, neverending*}
Day of the Dead (1985) - 3 (backed by Sculpt, seconded by realdealblues) {metternich1815*, Kandarian Demon*}
The Fog (1980) - 3 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by natedog722, Kandarian Demon, Straker) {The Villain*} (-1)
Near Dark (1987) - 2 (backed by neverending, seconded by metternich1815, Sculpt) {Giganticface*, The Villain*, Straker*}
Sleepaway Camp (1983) - 2 (backed by metternich1815) {Giganticface*} {neverending*} {fortunato*} {Straker*}

DEBATABLE

Gremlins (1984) - 4

Child's Play (1988) - 3 (backed by The Villain, seconded by realdealblues)
Christine (1983) - 3 (backed by Sculpt, seconded by natedog722)
Friday the 13th Part 2 (1981) - 3 (backed by The Villain)
Prince of Darkness (1987) - 3
Pumpkinhead (1988) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by The Villain) {Kandarian Demon*} (-1)
Santa Sangre (1989) - 3

MINORITY

A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors (1987) - 2
Bad Taste (1987) - 2
Cat People (1982) - 2 {Straker*} {neverending*}
Cujo (1983) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
Friday the 13th Part III (1982) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
From Beyond (1986) - 2
Pin (1988) - 2
Poltergeist II: The Other Side (1986) - 2
Predator (1987) - 2 (backed by The Villain, seconded by metternich1815, tiberius)
Psycho II (1983) - 2
The Entity (1982) - 2
The Gate (1987) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
The Lost Boys (1987) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
The Vanishing (1988) - 2

SINGLE VOTES TO

A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge (1985)
Altered States (1980)
Angst (1983)
Baxter (1989)
Blue Velvet (1986) (backed by neverending) {Straker*}
Children of the Corn (1984)
Combat Shock (1984)
Creepshow (1982)
DeepStar Six (1989)
Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter (1984)
The Funhouse (1981)
Galaxy of Terror (1981)
Ghost Story (1981)
Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers (1988)
Hellbound: Hellraiser II (1988)
Inferno (1980)
Killer Klowns From Outer Space (1988)
Le notti del terrore (1981)
Leviathan (1989)
Link (1986)
Maniac Cop (1988)
Maximum Overdrive (1986)
Men Behind the Sun (1988)
Monkey Shines (1988)
Motel Hell (1980)
Mr. Vampire Saga (1985)
Ms. 45 (1981) (backed by neverending)
My Bloody Valentine (1981)
Nekromantik (1987)
Night of the Demons (1988)
Phantasm II (1988)
Phenomena (1985)
Possession (1981)
Silent Night, Deadly Night (1984)
Tenebre (1982)
Tetsuo (1989)
The Believers (1987)
The Blob (1988)
The Hitcher (1986)
The Monster Squad (1987)
The Stuff (1985)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 (1986)
The Video Dead (1987)
The Woman in Black (1989 TV Movie) (backed by The Villain)
They Live (1988) (backed by Sculpt)
Warlock (1989)
Xtro (1983)

SPECIAL SECTION - REST OF THE GIANT MONSTER FILMS OF THE 80s :-

Alligator 1980
Gamera: Super Monster 1980
Godzilla vs. Biollante 1989
King Kong Lives 1986
Pulgasari 1985
Q - The Winged Serpent 1982
The Lair of the White Worm 1988
The Return of Godzilla 1984
Yamata no Orochi no Gyakushu 1985

{* = HONORABLE MENTIONS BACKINGS}

The initial backings/negations stay.

Adding a special "Giant Monster" films section at the end for due consideration, since it was demanded.

Remember, we are here to select TWO films from the remaining ones from the DEBATABLE section onwards.
The "In The Cut" section is NOT for debate.

Once that is done, we can proceed to select SIX films from the remaining films for our Honorable Mentions.

OR, if everyone is in joint agreement, we can shortlist TWO films from the 4-votes section which have the maximum backings for our Top 22, and get the Honorable Mentions from the rest.

OR we can go the old-fashioned way and debate till we get our chosen films.

Either way, let's hear it.

neverending

08-11-2013, 10:43 AM

Pumpkinhead and The Fog

The Villain

08-11-2013, 10:55 AM

I forget. Can I back a film that I backed last time? I can't remember.

If I can then Demons and Pumpkinhead.

If not then The Fog and Pumpkinhead

I love Child's Play but it shouldn't be on the list. I do think it should be included in the honorable mentions.

_____V_____

08-11-2013, 11:00 AM

I forget. Can I back a film that I backed last time? I can't remember.

Nope, you can't.

NE's & Villain's opinions added. Looks like The Fog will be joining the ranks as the 21st chosen one for the 80s.

Straker

08-11-2013, 12:06 PM

The Villain

08-11-2013, 12:15 PM

Really have to get behind The Changeling here guys.... It's such an oversight that this didn't make the original 20. I'd put it amongst the best ghost/ haunted house movies ever made. George C. Scott is outstanding as the troubled composer and Melvyn Douglas puts in a stellar performance in what I imagine would have been one of his last appearances on screen. This one really is a timeless classic that needs to be recognised. The ultimate 'Things that go bump in the night' movie. Full of tension, atmosphere and genuine chills with barely a drop of blood in sight.

I completely missed it there. I actually thought it was already in. I've recently seen it and agree with you, it is amazing movie and really scary. Definitely deserving to be on this list. I'd like to remove my backing of The Fog and back The Changeling instead.

Giganticface

08-11-2013, 12:16 PM

Really have to get behind The Changeling here guys.... It's such an oversight that this didn't make the original 20. I'd put it amongst the best ghost/ haunted house movies ever made. George C. Scott is outstanding as the troubled composer and Melvyn Douglas puts in a stellar performance in what I imagine would have been one of his last appearances on screen. This one really is a timeless classic that needs to be recognised. The ultimate 'Things that go bump in the night' movie. Full of tension, atmosphere and genuine chills with barely a drop of blood in sight.

Agree. I think the Changeling is the one most worthy of the top 22. I'll back it.

Kandarian Demon

08-11-2013, 12:17 PM

So am I getting this right, if it was in your original 20 movie list, you can't back it?

metternich1815

08-11-2013, 12:25 PM

I'll back Near Dark and The Changeling.

The Villain

08-11-2013, 12:30 PM

So am I getting this right, if it was in your original 20 movie list, you can't back it?

I don't think its if it was in your original 20. But when we first started backing films, if you backed a film and it didnt get in, your backing from that period remains so you can't double back it. You'd have to either plead your case for the movies you've already backed or back new ones.

The Villain

08-11-2013, 12:34 PM

I know it doesn't make sense to back more then two films to be included but i feel that its ok for me to back The Woman in Black since nobody else has. It's an intriguing well made horror movie that is very scary despite being a made for TV movie. It doesn't resort to cheap jump scares or have to use gore or other tricks to scare the audience. It pulls you into it's terrifying atmosphere and chills you to the bone.

Sorry that i keep changing my votes around and mixing things up. I think sometimes i don't take the time to think about my votes initially which i really should stop doing.

metternich1815

08-11-2013, 12:39 PM

I am really surprised that Predator (1987) did not already make the list. It has some really brilliant performances, especially by Schwarzenegger. The premise is pretty interesting. Additionally, I find the atmosphere to be perfect. This movie, for some reason, still creeps me out. Of course, one can not forget the brilliant score by Alan Silvestri. Not to mention the fact that the Predator has become a pop culture icon. Some may argue that it is a sci-fi, but I will make two points. First, Aliens is on the list. Secondly, that is true, but the horror themes are strong, so, unless someone is a horror movie purist, they can not deny that this film is definitely a horror movie. Anyway, this is my defense of this movie. If it does not make the main cut, then it should at least make honorable mention.

The Villain

08-11-2013, 12:42 PM

Kandarian Demon

08-11-2013, 12:53 PM

I don't think its if it was in your original 20. But when we first started backing films, if you backed a film and it didnt get in, your backing from that period remains so you can't double back it. You'd have to either plead your case for the movies you've already backed or back new ones.

Oh, now it makes sense... thanks for explaining :D

The Villain

08-11-2013, 12:59 PM

Oh, now it makes sense... thanks for explaining :D

No problem i was a little confused at first too but figured it out

Kandarian Demon

08-11-2013, 01:07 PM

I will back The Fog and...

Hmm, it's almost impossible for me to choose between Pumpkinhead and Return of the Living Dead, but if the general opinion here is that we should stick to two, I guess I'll back Return of the Living Dead.

My REASON for doing so:

I've socialised a lot with other horror fans over the years, and the ONE movie pretty much everyone seemed to love was Return of the Living Dead. Even non-horror fans seems to enjoy it, and friends have quoted that movie more times than I can count. And wasn't it the movie that actually started that whole "braaaaain!" thing too? :D

Some of you might disagree with me simply because it's a comedy, but it's honestly my opinion that Return of the Living Dead is one of the main reasons why zombies have crept into pop culture the way they have, and that the movie has quite a lot to do with how people in general perceive zombies.

And this is why I think the movie deserves to be on this list - yes, it's a comedy, but I think it's an important movie for the genre.

tiberius

08-11-2013, 01:10 PM

Predator and The Beyond

Sculpt

08-11-2013, 07:22 PM

Had to take quite some time to review these remaining films...

Most Worthy for 21 & 22:

The Return of the Living Dead (1985) - Is a surprisingly excellent film. I expected the same-old tired plot, & cardboard characters to support gory scenes. Turns out Dan O'Bannon (writer of Alien) took old theme & made a top notch 'A' film, supporting Horror film making. It's successfully scary and funny. It's funny because it's 'so real', the humor is organic. The classic line is, Corpse: "Come in dispatch. Send more paramedics."

Near Dark (1987) - director Kathryn Bigelow artfully & skillfully shot film. Explores the seductiveness of evil.

I already backed The Return of the Living Dead, but Near Dark I'm newly supporting. So I may back another film.

Neg - Pumpkinhead - I was hoping to like this film. I've always liked the old style 'folk' horror tales. Although Pumpkinhead was interesting, & some nice cinematography, I decidedly think it just was not a good film. The story, script & especially the characters were shallow and disjointed, didn't care about the characters, acting was subpar. It just didn't work. It's just not good enough to be in the top 22. (I'm not the only who thought so; as it's universally poorly rated by critics and masses alike).