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The Villain
06-28-2013, 07:10 PM
I'm asking this question because you and some others describe your choices as "representative of where horror was in that era." Objectively, that means nothing. Where is the bar? It's like grading on the curve. If 80% of the class scores a 25 out of 100, and you get a 30, you get an A. It doesn't mean you did well, you were just a little less crappy.

I actually rethought that exact thing. Just because a movie represents the decade doesn't make it a good movie. I realize that now and edited my post above to reflect.

The Villain
06-28-2013, 07:13 PM
That, I do agree with, wholeheartedly. There's a lot of same old same old out there. My top 20s all have choices that probably won't be getting a groundswell of votes. (Although - heh, no offense - they tend to be a bit more critically acclaimed than Leprechaun.)

Yeah that I still agree with too despite me changing my post but that stems more from me being tired if seeing lists made by non horror fans that always have the same 10 movies on it that are on it because they are well know n. But that's why it is actually important that we think hard about our decisions so that this list will be done well.

metternich1815
06-28-2013, 07:14 PM
Hopefully you're reading this after I edited it. I reread what I originally wrote and feel I went overboard. Obviously everyone has a right to their opinion and if you feel like people are picking crap films you have a right to that and honestly some pretty bad films are getting included from me as well as others. After reading what Gigantic face wrote I understand more of what you're saying. Unfortunately most people puck films they personally like over what may be best because most people consider what they like best as actually being the best. Its why so many crappy movies get popularized. Hopefully people will vote better from here out so we can get a good list.

Just curious, which other films did you think were "crappy"?

The Villain
06-28-2013, 07:15 PM
Just curious, which other films did you think were "crappy"?

From this decade or the others? Id have to go back through

metternich1815
06-28-2013, 07:16 PM
From this decade or the others? Id have to go back through

Either. I probably won't agree on all of them, but I am just curious.

tiberius
06-28-2013, 07:23 PM
To be honest I was never a big fan of Sleepy Hollow. I thought it was a little overrated. I actually did like Deep Blue Sea, Anaconda, and Leprechaun.

The Villain
06-28-2013, 07:37 PM
Either. I probably won't agree on all of them, but I am just curious.

I'm just gonna talk about the 90's because the other decades had good choices in them.

Honsetly i can't believe The Blair Witch Project made it to the top 20. I think it's a horrible movie. It's boring, badly made (obviously putting aside the found footage camera work and editing) and not scary at all and i still have no idea why so many people like it.

I also don't like Bram Stokers Dracula. I think it's ridiculously campy and over the top.

Anaconda is a terrible movie and i'm glad it didnt get more votes.

Jason Goes To Hell and Freddy's Dead shouldnt have even gotten one vote in my opinion and Bride of Chucky is an insult to the other Child's Play movies and thats saying something with how (despite how much i love them) silly they are

metternich1815
06-28-2013, 08:10 PM
I'm just gonna talk about the 90's because the other decades had good choices in them.

Honsetly i can't believe The Blair Witch Project made it to the top 20. I think it's a horrible movie. It's boring, badly made (obviously putting aside the found footage camera work and editing) and not scary at all and i still have no idea why so many people like it.

I also don't like Bram Stokers Dracula. I think it's ridiculously campy and over the top.

Anaconda is a terrible movie and i'm glad it didnt get more votes.

Jason Goes To Hell and Freddy's Dead shouldnt have even gotten one vote in my opinion and Bride of Chucky is an insult to the other Child's Play movies and thats saying something with how (despite how much i love them) silly they are

I completely agree with Freddy's Dead and Jason Goes to Hell. I couldn't disagree more with The Blair Witch Project. It is easily one of the most brilliant and unique films of the 1990s. Many of the films that came after it were of various quality, but that film is amazing. To this day, I regard it as one of the scariest movies I have ever seen. We have already discussed Anaconda. I also disagree with Dracula for the reasons I cited in my justification. Suffice it to say, I consider it one of the best Dracula adaptations ever made. As I stated, I found Bride of Chucky to be the best in the entire Child's Play series for the reason(s) I cited. To an extent, I understand the arguments against Anaconda and Deep Blue Sea, but would not understand the arguments against some of those other films. Just a note, by posting films that you thought were bad (even at my request), I assumed I could make comments on my thoughts on them. I did not intend to knock your opinion, I am merely providing mine.

Giganticface
06-28-2013, 08:18 PM
Blair Witch is definitely a love it or hate it deal. Even if you don't like it, you have to admit it launched a subgenre - an extremely popular one. For that reason, it belongs in the list as an essential representation of what happened in 90s horror.

metternich1815
06-28-2013, 08:39 PM
Going with what Giganticface said, even if you do not like The Blair Witch Project, you have to admit it deserves to be on any top 20 horror list for the 1990s. The film was one of the most successful independent films of all time. It made $248 million on a self-declared budget of $35,000, not including promotion. Additionally, it launched the reality TV phase and this is according to the creator of Survivor (which launched the reality TV show phase). As well as the hugely popular "Found Footage" sub-genre. Furthermore, it had a brilliant marketing campaign and was one of the first films to launch a website. If it had not been on this list I would have been completely shocked.

Giganticface
06-28-2013, 10:07 PM
I loved that website. I got all into it and convinced myself it was real before seeing it in the theater. Made for a pretty scary experience.

I also loved the Donnie Darko website.

_____V_____
06-29-2013, 08:13 AM
We have moved into 18 finalised films.

Like it or hate it, but with enough people backing it, Leprechaun is now an officially selected film for the 90s decade. (I say this with a bitter taste in my mouth but I have no choice nor say in this matter)

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=951808&postcount=468

Still need to finalise TWO more.

The Villain
06-29-2013, 08:26 AM
Going with what Giganticface said, even if you do not like The Blair Witch Project, you have to admit it deserves to be on any top 20 horror list for the 1990s. The film was one of the most successful independent films of all time. It made $248 million on a self-declared budget of $35,000, not including promotion. Additionally, it launched the reality TV phase and this is according to the creator of Survivor (which launched the reality TV show phase). As well as the hugely popular "Found Footage" sub-genre. Furthermore, it had a brilliant marketing campaign and was one of the first films to launch a website. If it had not been on this list I would have been completely shocked.

I get what you're saying but how a movie was made and what it did for the genre afterwards doesnt matter to me at least to how good of a film it is. In my opinion Blair Witch only did as well as it did because of an excellent marketing plan. But that's just my opinion

The Villain
06-29-2013, 08:27 AM
I completely agree with Freddy's Dead and Jason Goes to Hell. I couldn't disagree more with The Blair Witch Project. It is easily one of the most brilliant and unique films of the 1990s. Many of the films that came after it were of various quality, but that film is amazing. To this day, I regard it as one of the scariest movies I have ever seen. We have already discussed Anaconda. I also disagree with Dracula for the reasons I cited in my justification. Suffice it to say, I consider it one of the best Dracula adaptations ever made. As I stated, I found Bride of Chucky to be the best in the entire Child's Play series for the reason(s) I cited. To an extent, I understand the arguments against Anaconda and Deep Blue Sea, but would not understand the arguments against some of those other films. Just a note, by posting films that you thought were bad (even at my request), I assumed I could make comments on my thoughts on them. I did not intend to knock your opinion, I am merely providing mine.

By all means man, comment away. We differ on opinion but that doesn't matter

tiberius
06-29-2013, 08:31 AM
I'll back Deep Blue Sea, Anaconda, New Nightmare, and Event Horizon.

metternich1815
06-29-2013, 08:36 AM
I will say I am completely shocked that Leprechaun made the list, but Natural Born Killers did not. Some might consider it thriller, which would be true, but I consider it horror and a really good movie at that.

Giganticface
06-29-2013, 09:17 AM
Somebody else, please back Audition. It would be a shame for it to slip, given that it already had received 6 votes. I think the only reason it wasn't a shoe-in is because Leprechaun also received 6, stirring debate. We now have a film on the list that originally received only 1 vote, and two that originally received 2 votes. Something feels odd about that, and I'm wondering what was the point of the initial vote? Odd process -- spend weeks collecting votes, only to override it with a two-day debate by a subset of the voters? Oh well, most of the films that were breathed new life are pretty good. The original top 17 was better though. The voters got it right the first time.

While we're at it, somebody please join neverending and myself and back Ringu. Think back to the first time you saw it, and forget the fact that J-horror got played out. It launched the wave of J-horror. Does no one care about the actual history of horror?

Nates Vault
06-29-2013, 09:20 AM
I get what you're saying but how a movie was made and what it did for the genre afterwards doesnt matter to me at least to how good of a film it is. In my opinion Blair Witch only did as well as it did because of an excellent marketing plan. But that's just my opinion

The "found footage" genre, as it were, actually started much earlier with films like (the dreadful) Cannibal Holocaust. Other than that, I agree with the points you were responding to.

metternich1815
06-29-2013, 09:23 AM
The "found footage" genre, as it were, actually started much earlier with films like (the dreadful) Cannibal Holocaust. Other than that, I agree with the points you were responding to.

It made "found footage" popular, that was our point (no offense).

neverending
06-29-2013, 09:24 AM
Actually several years earlier was Snuff, but it's really Blair Witch Project which opened the floodgates, so the point remains valid.

metternich1815
06-29-2013, 09:25 AM
Somebody else, please back Audition. It would be a shame for it to slip, given that it already had received 6 votes. I think the only reason it wasn't a shoe-in is because Leprechaun also received 6, stirring debate. We now have a film on the list that originally received only 1 vote, and two that originally received 2 votes. Something feels odd about that, and I'm wondering what was the point of the initial vote? Odd process -- spend weeks collecting votes, only to override it with a two-day debate by a subset of the voters? Oh well, most of the films that were breathed new life are pretty good. The original top 17 was better though. The voters got it right the first time.

While we're at it, somebody please join neverending and myself and back Ringu. Think back to the first time you saw it, and forget the fact that J-horror got played out. It launched the wave of J-horror. Does no one care about the actual history of horror?

Didn't we already get 20 films? Deep Blue Sea was seconded by three people. I would back Ringu, but I have not seen it yet. I actually really enjoy Japanese horror. Unfortunately, I have not seen Audition or Ringu. I thought this whole backing thing was strange as well, but it is not my list thing.

neverending
06-29-2013, 09:27 AM
The process may be unconventional, but look at how much interaction it's sparking!

Giganticface
06-29-2013, 09:29 AM
The "found footage" genre, as it were, actually started much earlier with films like (the dreadful) Cannibal Holocaust. Other than that, I agree with the points you were responding to.

Cannibal Holocaust (and others) may have predated Blair Witch, but by no means did they start the trend. How many found footage films can you think of between 1980 and 1999? Do you think the producers of Paranormal Activity were saying, "Let's make a movie like Cannibal Holocaust? Deodato really cashed in on that one."

_____V_____
06-29-2013, 09:35 AM
Didn't we already get 20 films? Deep Blue Sea was seconded by three people. I would back Ringu, but I have not seen it yet. I actually really enjoy Japanese horror. Unfortunately, I have not seen Audition or Ringu. I thought this whole backing thing was strange as well, but it is not my list thing.

It needs one more person to second the backing, due to the -1 beside it's nomination. (the -s beside the nomination means a strong vote was cast against the film in this subsequent discussion)

We now have a film on the list that originally received only 1 vote, and two that originally received 2 votes. Something feels odd about that, and I'm wondering what was the point of the initial vote? Odd process -- spend weeks collecting votes, only to override it with a two-day debate by a subset of the voters? Oh well, most of the films that were breathed new life are pretty good. The original top 17 was better though. The voters got it right the first time.

There is a delightful twist coming, once we are done with the 22 for the 00s. I would rather keep it secret for now.

Giganticface
06-29-2013, 09:43 AM
There is a delightful twist coming, once we are done with the 22 for the 00s. I would rather keep it secret for now.

I'm intrigued! Can't wait to find out.

Also, hopefully my comment wasn't taken as overly critical. I love the hashing out of the lower echelon of the 20, and agree with neverending, that it certainly sparks some interesting conversation.

Kandarian Demon
06-29-2013, 11:04 AM
There would be no point in asking for our opinions if we're not allowed to actually have a personal opinion.

Ringu was mentioned - a movie I always thought was crap, but obviously it's not crap for a lot of other people. We can't all like or dislike the same movies.

I say this with respect - but I find it a bit funny how one moment, we are wrong for not liking a movie because it's a classic or a popular movie, but the next moment we are wrong for loving a classic/popular movie because we've just been brainwashed to like it by the media - depending on what suits someone's personal taste best.

I know it's a cliche, but why can't we agree to disagree? I really don't want this to sound like I'm shouting at anyone, but I honestly find it a bit snobbish to bash other people's opinion and basically tell them to keep it to themselves unless they agree with you. ("you" is not anyone in particular).

metternich1815
06-29-2013, 01:28 PM
I'll back The Faculty. I'm sure some of you might call it a "God awful" movie (no offense), but I actually really liked it

The Villain
06-29-2013, 01:30 PM
I'll back The Faculty. I'm sure some of you might call it a "God awful" movie (no offense), but I actually really liked it.

I actually love that movie

metternich1815
06-29-2013, 01:31 PM
I'll also back Event Horizon.

metternich1815
06-29-2013, 01:34 PM
I actually love that movie

I agree. I actually thought it was a really good movie with an interesting idea, which, in my opinion, was well executed and acted.

Straker
06-29-2013, 04:04 PM
I just want to say that if I say a movie sucks it doesn't mean that I am saying you suck for liking it.....

That said, I am all for a little bit of criticism and healthy debate, its part of the selection process and gets people to challenge their original lists. It's not a bad thing to critique people's choices if it sparks debate and its certainly not a bad thing for people to change their mind now and then.

I am enjoying the process and debate/ opinions, but equally I don't see any harm in calling movies out for the shit storm that they are. I'm happy to challenge peoples opinions if I don't agree, that's the point of having the debate in the first place. Its nothing personal and doesn't reflect my opinions on any individual and I certainly don't mean any harm or disrespect to anyone. People can look back through at some of the movies I have backed that haven't gotten a single vote, some of them probably people have seen and didn't like, some of them people probably haven't seen. It really doesn't matter what people make of your opinion, its better to have one and get a dialogue going....

In short, I am going to continue to hate on DBS and hope it doesn't make it into the top 20. :p

My own personal opinion on movies like Deep Blue Sea and a few of the other movies I consider questionable, is that you can like a movie without it actually being any good but that doesn't mean it belongs in the top 20 movies. The reason I am challenging and neg voting it is more to do with the fact that I think it's a weak choice than me criticising anyone for liking it. Example being, I had The Video Dead in my top 80s list. When it came to backing movies I didn't make a case for it, because I know it doesn't belong, I just love the movie and wanted to represent it in my list. The movie I did make a case for was The Changeling because I fully believed it to be amongst the best of the decade and deserving of a spot.

metternich1815
06-29-2013, 04:16 PM
I just want to say that if I say a movie sucks it doesn't mean that I am saying you suck for liking it.....

That said, I am all for a little bit of criticism and healthy debate, its part of the selection process and gets people to challenge their original lists. It's not a bad thing to critique people's choices if it sparks debate and its certainly not a bad thing for people to change their mind now and then.

I am enjoying the process and debate/ opinions, but equally I don't see any harm in calling movies out for the shit storm that they are. I'm happy to challenge peoples opinions if I don't agree, that's the point of having the debate in the first place. Its nothing personal and doesn't reflect my opinions on any individual and I certainly don't mean any harm or disrespect to anyone. People can look back through at some of the movies I have backed that haven't gotten a single vote, some of them probably people have seen and didn't like, some of them people probably haven't seen. It really doesn't matter what people make of your opinion, its better to have one and get a dialogue going....

In short, I am going to continue to hate on DBS and hope it doesn't make it into the top 20. :p

My own personal opinion on movies like Deep Blue Sea and a few of the other movies I consider questionable, is that you can like a movie without it actually being any good but that doesn't mean it belongs in the top 20 movies. The reason I am challenging and neg voting it is more to do with the fact that I think it's a weak choice than me criticising anyone for liking it. Example being, I had The Video Dead in my top 80s list. When it came to backing movies I didn't make a case for it, because I know it doesn't belong, I just love the movie and wanted to represent it in my list. The movie I did make a case for was The Changeling because I fully believed it to be amongst the best of the decade and deserving of a spot.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I do not take criticisms of films personally (at least I try not to). I actually greatly enjoy debating, in general. As for Deep Blue Sea, I respect your opinion, but can not see it at all because I have always considered it an excellent film. I actually thought the acting was really good, especially Samuel L. Jackson. As for story and plot, I actually consider it to be really strong and was used to explore the dangers of science. As for the special effects (i.e. CGI), I would have to agree it was pretty terrible, even by 90s standards. Honestly, I did not realize that that this film was hated by so many people. In fact, it is probably my favorite shark movie after Jaws. The same goes for Anaconda (in that I thought it was pretty good). I will say that, in my opinion, Deep Blue Sea was better than Anaconda, but I still thought Anaconda was really good, although I would not include it on a top 20 List. The only thing I disagree with is that some people seem to act like they know better than others. I find that to be pretentious. I don't claim to possess absolute knowledge of what are the best films and so should no one else. What one person considers "crap" another considers to be a masterpiece. So, I think we should debate the merits (or lack thereof) of said film. Anyway, those are my thoughts on this. If I insulted someone, I apologize (I have trouble understanding tone, so if my tone seems to harsh, I did not intend it to be so).

Giganticface
06-29-2013, 04:23 PM
Well said, Straker, on all points. I think we have a similar philosophy regarding this thread.

neverending
06-29-2013, 05:02 PM
I've decided to remove my original diatribe and the reactions to it as distracting from the task at hand.

I still decry how little people value a depth of knowledge on a subject, in favor of blind emotion.

It's tragic.

The Villain
06-29-2013, 08:02 PM
I doubt this will encourage anyone else to do the same and therefore they probably won't be added to the final list but i would like to back Shakma and Hiruku The Goblin.

_____V_____
06-30-2013, 02:50 AM
Still in search of 1 more film from the 90s to be finalised.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=951808&postcount=468

Be minded that entries for the 2000s are still being accepted. I currently have EIGHT lists with me, and I hope to get at least SEVEN more, if not much more than that, before we start our compilation work.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57593&page=41

neverending
06-30-2013, 03:44 AM
I don't understand which films are in the final cut so far. I count 17 with 5 or more votes.


Okay, I see- it's all that are in bold.

Wow... I can't believe there's so little love for Sleepy Hollow. One of Burton's best, IMO.

If we need one more, I'll cast a vote for Nightbreed. Having recently seen Nightbreed: The Cabal Cut, the restored version that can only be seen at festivals or conventions, it was truly a mind blowing experience. Barker's best film by far.

Still, if somebody steps up with a vote for Sleepy Hollow, I'll withdraw my vote for Nightbreed.

metternich1815
06-30-2013, 06:56 AM
I can't believe that you have only received 8 lists for the 00s! I figured you would have at least twelve or thirteen by now, especially since these are the most recent films.

The Villain
06-30-2013, 07:04 AM
I don't understand which films are in the final cut so far. I count 17 with 5 or more votes.


Okay, I see- it's all that are in bold.

Wow... I can't believe there's so little love for Sleepy Hollow. One of Burton's best, IMO.

If we need one more, I'll cast a vote for Nightbreed. Having recently seen Nightbreed: The Cabal Cut, the restored version that can only be seen at festivals or conventions, it was truly a mind blowing experience. Barker's best film by far.

Still, if somebody steps up with a vote for Sleepy Hollow, I'll withdraw my vote for Nightbreed.

I'm surprised too. Sleepy Hollow is a great film

metternich1815
06-30-2013, 07:22 AM
I'm surprised too. Sleepy Hollow is a great film

I guess I need to watch this film again. I have always considered it to be good, but not excellent. I am curious what are your reasons why you believe it is a great film? I am not challenging your views by the question; I am actually curious.

Straker
06-30-2013, 07:45 AM
Someone needs to get behind Cronos, its such a quality horror flick and great take on the vampire genre. Del Toro is a quality writer and director and this is not only his first feature length movie, but easily amongst his best work. The story is beautiful and the characters are believable. Its one of the most creative and original vampire movies made..... For anyone who hasn't watched it, you really have to see it, great piece of cinema.

At this point I'd be happy to back Sleepy Hollow or Ringu, but I don't want to back anything that is going to make the final cut until Cronos has had every chance to make the final 20.

The Villain
06-30-2013, 08:41 AM
I guess I need to watch this film again. I have always considered it to be good, but not excellent. I am curious what are your reasons why you believe it is a great film? I am not challenging your views by the question; I am actually curious.

The direction, acting, score, writing and sets are all superbly done. It has a great story and a genuine spooky atmosphere. It is also IMO the best version of The Headless Horseman story i have seen made into film. Also as Neverending said it is one of Burton's best movies.

Someone needs to get behind Cronos, its such a quality horror flick and great take on the vampire genre. Del Toro is a quality writer and director and this is not only his first feature length movie, but easily amongst his best work. The story is beautiful and the characters are believable. Its one of the most creative and original vampire movies made..... For anyone who hasn't watched it, you really have to see it, great piece of cinema.

At this point I'd be happy to back Sleepy Hollow or Ringu, but I don't want to back anything that is going to make the final cut until Cronos has had every chance to make the final 20.

I have never seen Cronos but have meant to as i am a fan of Del Toro. I just havent gotten around to it. However i will back it based solely on your recommendation

neverending
06-30-2013, 08:49 AM
Chronos is a great film. Del Toro burst upon the scene with a work of brilliance. I think Chronos, Sleepy Hollow and Nightbreed all deserve to be on the list over several that have already made it.

Giganticface
06-30-2013, 08:56 AM
Oh my gosh, yes please, Cronos! A unique film in so many respects.

At this point, my "degree" of pleading for backings is this:

#1 Ringu, for its importance in horror history, and the onslaught of J-horror, and American remakes that it inspired. Also a darn good movie, even though we're all bored of it now.

#2 Cronos, for its sheer uniqueness, quality -- dare I say, flawlessness -- and everything Straker said. An amazing debut (I didn't know it was his first) by one of today's premier horror directors.

#3 Audition, for bringing back the shock value previously only found in exploitation films, yet making it an essential part of great storytelling, thus not exploitative at all. Whether you like this kind of thing or not, Miike left an impact on horror with this one, and is highly influential. Also, it should already be in there because of the number of original votes it received.

I really can't believe that all three movies are not in the final 20. Since only one can make it, I won't make a plea for Natural Born Killers, even though I think it's a perfect representation of how the 90s was not a horror decade -- the genre's theatrics and "simplicity" -- were completely out of fashion, just like new wave and hair metal were replaced by alternative rock. Horror was either satired (Scream) or embedded in other genres, like crime mysteries (Se7en, Silence of the Lambs), drama (Sixth Sense) and comedy (Army of Darkness, the Frighteners). Natural Born Killers is a lot of things, most notably a social commentary, while also being an effective horror movie, especially the scene with the Indian hallucination ritual.

If none of the above get a vote, I would back Sleepy Hollow, especially since Burton is not yet represented in the history. (Beetlejuice was his best shot.) I completely forgot about this movie when doing my rankings, but I remember liking it a lot when I saw it. The fact that i forgot about it, and have never rewatched it, is perhaps a notch against it though.

The Villain
06-30-2013, 09:02 AM
Can we take away backing? If so i'll take away my backing of Leprechaun if it'll remove it from the final list so we can put in some better films. I've done some thinking and despite liking it and thinking of it fondly due to watching it in my childhood, it's not a movie that deserves to be in the final list especially over other movies that people are rallying for.

_____V_____
06-30-2013, 09:24 AM
Can we take away backing? If so i'll take away my backing of Leprechaun if it'll remove it from the final list so we can put in some better films. I've done some thinking and despite liking it and thinking of it fondly due to watching it in my childhood, it's not a movie that deserves to be in the final list especially over other movies that people are rallying for.

The 20th (and final) film finalised is Cronos, after your second backing.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=951808&postcount=468

If we go by Giganticface's final post/backing, the 21st film (next in order) would be Sleepy Hollow. Do you really wish to withdraw your backing of Leprechaun? That would make Sleepy Hollow squeeze into the top 20 by sealing the final spot.

The Villain
06-30-2013, 09:35 AM
The 20th (and final) film finalised is Cronos, after your second backing.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=951808&postcount=468

If we go by Giganticface's final post/backing, the 21st film (next in order) would be Sleepy Hollow. Do you really wish to withdraw your backing of Leprechaun? That would make Sleepy Hollow squeeze into the top 20 by sealing the final spot.

Yes i would, Sleepy Hollow deserves it over Leprechaun

_____V_____
06-30-2013, 09:38 AM
Yes i would, Sleepy Hollow deserves it over Leprechaun

Okay.

We now have our chosen 20 from the 90s.

I will wait till this weekend for more entries for the 2000s, and hopefully we should start compilation work by then. So (for now), expect the 2000s compiled Master List by Saturday.

Giganticface
06-30-2013, 09:38 AM
I wish StarChild were here to see what he might vote for. It seems like we only have 6 or so people contributing at the moment. Could we give it a half day or so to see if anyone else votes? (Of course that opens the door for another random vote. Cutting it off now would ensure a quality choice - Sleepy Hollow - makes the list.)

I appreciate and respect Villain's gesture. I think it says a lot about a person's maturity to re-evaluate their own input.

[Edit] I wrote this while Villain responded and V made the decision, so please ignore in terms of setting the 20.

The Villain
06-30-2013, 09:42 AM
I wish StarChild were here to see what he might vote for. It seems like we only have 6 or so people contributing at the moment. Could we give it a half day or so to see if anyone else votes? (Of course that opens the door for another random vote. Cutting it off now would ensure a quality choice - Sleepy Hollow - makes the list.)

I appreciate and respect Villain's gesture. I think it says a lot about a person's maturity to re-evaluate their own input.

[Edit] I wrote this while Villain responded and V made the decision, so please ignore in terms of setting the 20.

Thank you. For the 2000's i'm gonna be more careful for what i back.

_____V_____
06-30-2013, 09:52 AM
ANNOUNCEMENT


The scope of this project was originally intended to be really huge (in terms of the now-defunct The A to Z Encyclopedia of Horror (http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38876)), and so, to respect Flayed's original vision, I am stretching this project to 200 of the finest films of our genre, stretching over NINE periods (and THREE eras) of horror movies.

This will be followed by 55 Honorable Nominations, hopefully with equal representation from all periods mentioned above.

So, if you can do the math, you might have an idea of the "delightful twist" I mentioned to Giganticface yesterday. ;)



Send those 2000s list of 22 choices soon, folks!

neverending
06-30-2013, 10:05 AM
Yipes!


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Giganticface
06-30-2013, 10:30 AM
Hey, ho! I love it!

Working hard on the 2000s. Really tough because there are a lot of great choices, and unlike the 90s the list is deep. Right now, my 80th ranked film is honestly not that far off from my 23rd. The top 22 is starting to become clear though. The fact that I have it ranked through 80 (actually more like 150) tells you a bit about my process... I already have an ongoing list that I keep up to date with each movie I watch. (Nerddom.) The challenge, of course, is picking the right ones for this particular project.

Straker
06-30-2013, 10:33 AM
I have never seen Cronos but have meant to as i am a fan of Del Toro. I just havent gotten around to it. However i will back it based solely on your recommendation

Definitely give it a watch if you get chance, such a great twist on the vampire tale and as well written as anything Del Toro has done. :cool:

The Villain
06-30-2013, 10:43 AM
Definitely give it a watch if you get chance, such a great twist on the vampire tale and as well written as anything Del Toro has done. :cool:

I'll move it up on my movies to watch list

metternich1815
06-30-2013, 10:55 AM
I am going to re-watch Sleepy Hollow right now and I will order Cronos on Netflix. I think in the end, we got a pretty good list for the 1990s. At least, in my opinion. I will have to agree, while Leprechaun is entertaining and may have represented where horror was in the 1990s, it does not really deserve to be on a top 20 list of the 90s.

metternich1815
06-30-2013, 12:43 PM
After re-watching Sleepy Hollow, I have to say that I agree that this film definitely deserves a place on the top 20. It is a very well done film. One of Tim Burton's best. I will say that I am disappointed that Natural Born Killers did not make the list. I thought that was a very well done film as well. Overall, I think the list for the 90s is pretty strong, at least in my opinion (no offense, but it was definitely strengthened when Leprechaun was removed).

Sculpt
06-30-2013, 01:45 PM
The re-emergence of supernatural storylines, over slashers, is a contributing factor... (to better horror films in 2000's)

Horror is back on track, after some dismal times.
Completely agree. Supernatural and new sci-fi storylines, depth of story, depth of characters and development, heroes that change/develop/mature in the movie, has brought horror back on the map.

Sculpt
06-30-2013, 01:53 PM
"My kind of horror" was pretty much dead in the 90s, and I hated how traditional special effects were replaced by, at the time, extremely fake looking CGI.

Very true. For instance, I think most of the non-CG special effects of the creatures in The Thing 82 are still better than most in the 90s and 2000s. The CG backgrounds of today's movie are fantastic, but still most of the 'living' CG creatures are still have something 'off' about them, in a bad way. Of course, all non-CG creatures of the 80s, and CG creatures 90-00s, have something 'off' about them, but former is in a good effective way, and the later in a phoney 'take you out of the suspension of disbelief' way.

Sculpt
06-30-2013, 02:37 PM
...The story is brilliant, consisting of two excursions -- the second team setting out to solve the mystery of the first team's disappearance, a story which is revealed incrementally via footage that the second team found. The footage revealed that the true horror was just as much due to human nature, of which the exploitative and, eventually evil, Westerners are bound to, as it was to the cannibalistic nature of the natives. It should also be mentioned that the found footage aspect of this film predates the "original" found footage film, The Blair Witch Project, by nearly 20 years, and that it was so well executed that Deodato was actually tried in a criminal court for suspicion of killing his actors. ...
Fascinating, and well said. I really like the perception you bring to film in your critiques. Aspects of Horror films can have an extremely destructive effect on us when it has us concentrate on things that are bad, horrible and evil, in place of things that are good, noble and lovely. But a story can always remind us of (or reveal) our evil natures that continually needs treatment, healing and maturing.

Sculpt
06-30-2013, 02:59 PM
Now that the 80s is settled, I thought I'd post my top 20. I'd be interested in seeing others' to get to know everyone's tastes.

1 The Shining (1980)
2 Evil Dead II (1987)
3 The Evil Dead (1981)
4 Poltergeist (1982)
5 The Thing (1982)
6 Cannibal Holocaust (1980)
7 The Fly (1986)
8 Santa Sangre (1989)
9 The Beyond (1981)
10 Angst (1983)
11 Videodrome (1983)
12 Psycho II (1983)
13 Bad Taste (1987)
14 Demons (1985)
15 Hellraiser (1987)
16 Basket Case (1982)
17 Men Behind the Sun (1988)
18 Possession (1981)
19 An American Werewolf in London (1981)
20 Pin (1988)

This was my 80's list. As with any decade, I won't list a film I haven't seen. That's part of the reason a group makes a better list.

The Thing
Aliens
Evil Dead 2
Poltergeist
The Fly
Scanners
The Howling
The Shining
The Return of the Living Dead
Nightmare on Elm Street
Re-Animator
Christine
Videodrome
From Beyond
They Live
Gremlins
The Entity
Day of the Dead
Fright Night
Funhouse

Giganticface
06-30-2013, 05:04 PM
This was my 80's list. As with any decade, I won't list a film I haven't seen. That's part of the reason a group makes a better list.

The Thing
Aliens
Evil Dead 2
Poltergeist
The Fly
Scanners
The Howling
The Shining
The Return of the Living Dead
Nightmare on Elm Street
Re-Animator
Christine
Videodrome
From Beyond
They Live
Gremlins
The Entity
Day of the Dead
Fright Night
Funhouse

Strong list. I've never seen The Entity, so I guess now I have to see it. Also, thanks for the nice comments about my my film critiques. Very kind.

Now that the 90s are settled, I'll post my top 20.

1 Jacob's Ladder (1990)
2 The Silence of the Lambs (1991)
3 The Blair Witch Project (1999)
4 Dead Alive (1992)
5 Ravenous (1999)
6 Army of Darkness (1992)
7 Audition (aka Odishon) (1999)
8 Cronos (1993)
9 Se7en (1995)
10 Scream (1996)
11 Clean, Shaven (1993)
12 Night of the Living Dead (1990)
13 Misery (1990)
14 The Exorcist III (1990)
15 Ringu (1998)
16 Natural Born Killers (1994)
17 The Frighteners (1996)
18 The Sixth Sense (1999)
19 The Dentist (1996)
20 Funny Games (1998)

metternich1815
06-30-2013, 05:49 PM
Strong list. I've never seen The Entity, so I guess now I have to see it. Also, thanks for the nice comments about my my film critiques. Very kind.

Now that the 90s are settled, I'll post my top 20.

1 Jacob's Ladder (1990)
2 The Silence of the Lambs (1991)
3 The Blair Witch Project (1999)
4 Dead Alive (1992)
5 Ravenous (1999)
6 Army of Darkness (1992)
7 Audition (aka Odishon) (1999)
8 Cronos (1993)
9 Se7en (1995)
10 Scream (1996)
11 Clean, Shaven (1993)
12 Night of the Living Dead (1990)
13 Misery (1990)
14 The Exorcist III (1990)
15 Ringu (1998)
16 Natural Born Killers (1994)
17 The Frighteners (1996)
18 The Sixth Sense (1999)
19 The Dentist (1996)
20 Funny Games (1998)

Very nice list. I am surprised that The Dentist is on it. I agree that it is an underrated film.

Sculpt
07-01-2013, 01:07 AM
Please add 'Godzilla: Final Wars" to the 2000-13 list. I thought that was a really good movie, fast paced, full of symbolism, taking many of the old movies into one plot (Atragon, Gorath, & all 60-70 Godzilla movies), and a lot of fun.


I've submitted my my 2000-13 list. I found this one the most difficult. I look forward to seeing the list, so I can check out some of those movies.

_____V_____
07-01-2013, 07:30 AM
Thanks to Sculpt for submitting his list for the 2000s (it's 2000-2012, not 2000-2013). I need 2 more from you, since your list has 20 films, not 22.

Sculpt
07-01-2013, 06:12 PM
Thanks to Sculpt for submitting his list for the 2000s (it's 2000-2012, not 2000-2013). I need 2 more from you, since your list has 20 films, not 22.

Oops, forgot about that. I sent ya two more.

Sculpt
07-01-2013, 06:23 PM
Strong list. I've never seen The Entity, so I guess now I have to see it. Also, thanks for the nice comments about my my film critiques. Very kind.

Now that the 90s are settled, I'll post my top 20.

1 Jacob's Ladder (1990)
2 The Silence of the Lambs (1991)
3 The Blair Witch Project (1999)
4 Dead Alive (1992)
5 Ravenous (1999)
6 Army of Darkness (1992)
7 Audition (aka Odishon) (1999)
8 Cronos (1993)
9 Se7en (1995)
10 Scream (1996)
11 Clean, Shaven (1993)
12 Night of the Living Dead (1990)
13 Misery (1990)
14 The Exorcist III (1990)
15 Ringu (1998)
16 Natural Born Killers (1994)
17 The Frighteners (1996)
18 The Sixth Sense (1999)
19 The Dentist (1996)
20 Funny Games (1998)
Good list! I have to see Exorcist 3 -- I was so disappointed with Exorcist 2, I skipped 3. I really didn't care for Frighteners -- I thought it was mildly entertaining, but a little too silly and shallow for my taste. I need to see Cronos and Audition. What would you say about Ravenous?

Here's my 90's list

Se7en (1995)
The Sixth Sense (1999)
Arachnophobia (1990)
Sphere (1998)
Jacob's Ladder (1990)
Jurassic Park (1993)
The Lawnmower Man (1992)
The Silence of the Lambs (1991)
Army of Darkness (1992)
Alien³ (1992)
The X Files (1998)
Flatliners (1990)
Godzilla vs. Destroyah (1995)
Sleepy Hollow (1999)
Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992)
Blade (1998)
Gamera 2: Attack of the Legion (1996)
Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris (1999)
Kiss the Girls (1997)
Misery (1990)

_____V_____
07-02-2013, 10:59 PM
NINE lists have come in for the 2000s so far. Can I get at least THREE more before the weekend rolls in?

Let's wait and see. Expecting to see 22 each from - Chronogrl, hammerfan, Giganticface, Starchild, Fortunato, and anyone else who is reading this thread.

Giganticface
07-03-2013, 09:23 AM
I just submitted my top 22. As I mentioned before, IMO right now is a great time to be a horror fan. Despite a lot of bad CGI and and vastly inferior remakes, there are some real good things happening right now.

As I've done in the past, here are my "next 20" (in this case, next 22). I think it demonstrates that the quality goes deep. There are some future classics in this list.

23 Ils (aka Them) (2007)
24 Let Me In (2010)
25 Ichi The Killer (aka Koroshiya 1) (2001)
26 Identity (2003)
27 The Strangers (2008)
28 Dawn of the Dead (2004)
29 The Others (2001)
30 Zombieland (2009)
31 Ju-On: The Grudge (2002)
32 House of 1000 Corpses (2003)
33 The Orphanage (El Orfanato) (2007)
34 Black Death (2011)
35 House of the Devil (2009)
36 Dumplings (2004)
37 The Woman (2011)
38 The Children (2008)
39 28 Days Later... (2002)
40 Triangle (2009)
41 V/H/S (2012)
42 Insidious (2010)
43 Dagon (2001)
44 Paranormal Activity (2007)

ChronoGrl
07-03-2013, 10:24 AM
^^ I agree. I find it frustrating when horror fans complain about the direction the genre is going - Fact is, I think there's been a LOT of great horror movies the past decade... Not sure I can limit my list to just 22... :-/


Edit: So here's my 22:

Ginger Snaps (2000)
Jeepers Creepers (2001)
The Others (2001)
28 Days Later (2002)
Dog Soldiers (2002)
May (2002)
House of 1000 Corpses (2003)
Shaun of the Dead (2004)
Three... Extremes (2004)
The Descent (2005)
FEAST (2005)
Black Sheep (2006)
The Host (2006)
28 Weeks Later (2007)
Inside (2007)
Paranormal Activity (2007)
The Signal (2007)
Trick 'r Treat (2009)
Let the Right One In (2008)
Martyrs (2008)
House of the Devil (2009)
The Revenant (2009)




And this was the "Whole" list that I put together - Identifying just 22 was really hard.

Ginger Snaps (2000)
Ju-on (2000)
Ichi the Killer (2001)
Jeepers Creepers (2001)
Kairo (2001)
The Others (2001)
Session 9 (2001)
28 Days Later (2002)
Cabin Fever (2002)
Dark Water (2002)
Dog Soldiers (2002)
May (2002)
My Little Eye (2002)
House of 1000 Corpses (2003)
Dawn of the Dead (2004)
Dead Birds (2004)
Ginger Snaps 2 (2004)
Shaun of the Dead (2004)
The Grudge (2004)
Three... Extremes (2004)
The Descent (2005)
The Devil's Rejects (2005)
Evil Aliens (2005)
FEAST (2005)
Altered (2006)
Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon (2006)
Black Sheep (2006)
Cold Prey (2006)
Fido (2006)
Hatchet (2006)
The Host (2006)
Severance (2006)
Slither (2006)
Them/Ils (2006)
28 Weeks Later (2007)
Crazy Eights (2007)
Grindhouse (2007)
Inside (2007)
Paranormal Activity (2007)
[REC] (2007)
The Signal (2007)
Trick 'r Treat (2009)
The Burrowers (2008)
The Children (2008)
Home Movie (2008)
Let the Right One In (2008)
Martyrs (2008)
Shutter (2008)
Tokyo Gore Police (2008)
House of the Devil (2009)
My Bloody Valentine 3D (2009)
The Revenant (2009)
Triangle (2009)

Giganticface
07-03-2013, 10:48 AM
^^ I agree. I find it frustrating when horror fans complain about the direction the genre is going - Fact is, I think there's been a LOT of great horror movies the past decade... Not sure I can limit my list to just 22... :-/


No doubt. It was really hard. Even my "next 22" was hard to rank. Also, there are ton of good movies I haven't seen yet. Like in your list, I haven't seen these:

Jeepers Creepers (2001)
Three... Extremes (2004)
FEAST (2005)
Black Sheep (2006)
28 Weeks Later (2007)
The Signal (2007)
Trick 'r Treat (2009)
The Revenant (2009)

That's 8 our of your top 22! I guess now I have more on my watch list. :)

neverending
07-03-2013, 10:48 AM
You're supposed to send your list to V. :p

ChronoGrl
07-03-2013, 10:56 AM
LOL - Oops - Then why are people posting here??? :confused::cool:

No doubt. It was really hard. Even my "next 22" was hard to rank. Also, there are ton of good movies I haven't seen yet. Like in your list, I haven't seen these:

Jeepers Creepers (2001)
Three... Extremes (2004)
FEAST (2005)
Black Sheep (2006)
28 Weeks Later (2007)
The Signal (2007)
Trick 'r Treat (2009)
The Revenant (2009)

That's 8 our of your top 22! I guess now I have more on my watch list. :)

Ooo! Those are some of my absolute favorites too - If you have Netflix, The Signal is currently available on Instant streaming - GO WATCH IT IMMEDIATELY!!

It's actually great to see everyone's lists here - I went through Wikipedia but it didn't have everything.



I have a list of 90's horror movies - Is it too late? Do I post here or send to V?

neverending
07-03-2013, 11:09 AM
People were posting what didn't make their lists- not what did.

90s list has been finalised. You're a bit late to the party. ;)

_____V_____
07-03-2013, 11:30 AM
LOL - Oops - Then why are people posting here???

No worries, Chrono. I saved your 22 from here.

Giganticface posted his next 22 choices (his #23 to #44). His original 22 films were sent through PM to me.

I have a list of 90's horror movies - Is it too late? Do I post here or send to V?

You can send them to me. I may still have some space left for the 90s. ;)

Giganticface
07-03-2013, 01:15 PM
If you have Netflix, The Signal is currently available on Instant streaming - GO WATCH IT IMMEDIATELY!!

Thanks for the tip! Instant Queue, now one bigger.

Sculpt
07-03-2013, 11:16 PM
LOL Am I the only one here who watches, has watched, a lot of giant monster movies, or has any appreciation for them?

Giganticface
07-04-2013, 12:02 AM
LOL Am I the only one here who watches, has watched, a lot of giant monster movies, or has any appreciation for them?

I'm not into them, but I watched The Host and thought it was pretty good. All three versions of King Kong are good. And of course, Cloverfield. I guess that's all I've seen that I can remember.

realdealblues
07-04-2013, 05:47 AM
LOL Am I the only one here who watches, has watched, a lot of giant monster movies, or has any appreciation for them?

If it makes you feel any better I have every film in the Godzilla, King Kong, Rodan, Mothra and Gamera franchises.

I love them, but I didn't vote for them because I just don't really think of them as Horror. They may get grouped in, but to me they were always more Sci-Fi/Action/Adventure.

The Villain
07-04-2013, 07:19 AM
LOL Am I the only one here who watches, has watched, a lot of giant monster movies, or has any appreciation for them?

Its one of my favorite subgenres

Sculpt
07-05-2013, 12:32 AM
If it makes you feel any better I have every film in the Godzilla, King Kong, Rodan, Mothra and Gamera franchises.

I love them, but I didn't vote for them because I just don't really think of them as Horror. They may get grouped in, but to me they were always more Sci-Fi/Action/Adventure.

You got all of them? -- nice! You have a ton more than me.

Good to hear there's plenty of us that appreciate them! I certainly consider all of them in the Horror film category. A giant monster, usually backed by space aliens, trying to destroy cities and take over the Earth... that's a safe bet to call it a Horror movie, don't you think? Basically, if _V_ lists them, I consider voting for them, with very few exceptions.

There are some fine art Horror films in the 'Giant Monster' subgenre. Gojira/Godzilla film gets a nod, but it's an absurdity that none of the others get serious consideration. For those with an appreciation for art of film audio, color, lighting, mixed media, and creativity, personally I think Gojira Tai Hedorâ (Godzilla Vs the Smog Monster) is a truly great art film. As a creator of a weekly radio show, I say, the jazz & orchestral musical score and sound in the film is fantastic. Sorry to see so many excellent works get ignored by our group.

hammerfan
07-05-2013, 05:08 AM
My list is in.

_____V_____
07-05-2013, 10:49 AM
I certainly consider all of them in the Horror film category. A giant monster, usually backed by space aliens, trying to destroy cities and take over the Earth... that's a safe bet to call it a Horror movie, don't you think?

Not exactly. There is a difference. To consider it a horror, there should be some moments which induce genuine horror in the viewers' minds.

Moments like this make me miss Doc Faustus so much. He had such a valid argument about why most of the giant monster films, specially the Japanese "versus" ones, weren't under the horror genre.

I am sure neverending can describe this demarcation better than me but, after the last discussion/debate/argument, he might not put his thoughts to words again.

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Thanks to hammerfan for submitting her entry for the 2000s.

Entries stay open through the Independence Day weekend. Let's take a call after the festivities/holidays are over.

Sculpt
07-05-2013, 02:09 PM
Not exactly. There is a difference. To consider it a horror, there should be some moments which induce genuine horror in the viewers' minds.

Moments like this make me miss Doc Faustus so much. He had such a valid argument about why most of the giant monster films, specially the Japanese "versus" ones, weren't under the horror genre.

I am sure neverending can describe this demarcation better than me but, after the last discussion/debate/argument, he might not put his thoughts to words again.

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Thanks to hammerfan for submitting her entry for the 2000s.

Entries stay open through the Independence Day weekend. Let's take a call after the festivities/holidays are over.

"To consider it a horror, there should be some moments which induce genuine horror in the viewers' minds." I completely agree with you. That's exactly why each giant monster movie must be considered individually. To lump them all together as meeting this standard, or not, would be totally asinine.

Imagine someone saying, "Gojira is Horror; and all the rest are not". Or "Any film with 'Vs' in the title, even though I haven't seen it, is a bad film". It's like saying, "Green grapes are good; but all other green fruit, 90% of which I've never tasted, are bad". I think psychologist would officially diagnose this as arrested development or a psychosis.

I'd estimate I've probably seen about 60-70% of the giant monster films. And although I wouldn't want to say any one of them doesn't meet that standard, I would say if an adult saw Godzilla Vs Megalon, it's so campy, and more or less for children, that I wouldn't doubt them if they said there was no genuine horror moment. But I wouldn't ask that film be added to the 1970s Horror list (mostly because it sucked). That is in contrast to Godzilla Vs the Smog Monster, which does have moments of genuine horror in it. If you haven't seen it, you can't know either way. It's simply a case by case determination.

_____V_____
07-06-2013, 07:49 AM
At the risk of me being an "arrested development" and a "psychosis" case, I leave this topic open for debate. Seems like no debate/discussion can be done without interjecting any personal remarks into it.

If enough people are in favor, the Godzilla (and other giant monster) films will be on debate during Round 2 of deliberations.

metternich1815
07-06-2013, 09:48 AM
At the risk of me being an "arrested development" and a "psychosis" case, I leave this topic open for debate. Seems like no debate/discussion can be done without interjecting any personal remarks into it.

If enough people are in favor, the Godzilla (and other giant monster) films will be on debate during Round 2 of deliberations.

Personally, I cast a relatively wide net of what is a horror movie, so I would consider all those monster films mentioned horror.

Giganticface
07-06-2013, 11:02 AM
I agree that a wide net is a good thing. My definition of horror is pretty broad, but also makes a distinction that, if applied strictly, would eliminate some of the movies in our Master Lists. It would also add some that are missing.

I also don't believe in categorizing a movie in a single genre (i.e.. "That's not horror, that's a thriller.") I believe that many of the best movies qualify as true entries in more than one genre. Alien, for instance is a sci-fi movie. It's also a horror movie. It could go on either shelf in the video store. I also consider horror to be a subset of thriller, so essentially all horror movies are also thrillers, but not all thrillers are horror.

Here's my definition of a horror movie:

A movie qualifies as horror if
a) a significant focus is given to characters in a situation where a deadly or harmful force -- be it a metaphysical force, such as a ghost or demon, a physical enemy, such as one or more creatures or humans, or the characters' own psychological state -- is threatening to harm or scare them, AND
b) that the intent of film is to scare, shock, disturb, disgust, or cause discomfort to the viewer.

I haven't seen any of these old giant monster movies, but by my definition, if the movie is about the people under attack, and the movie is intended to make the viewer feel fear for those people, it qualifies as horror. Even though they probably also qualify as other genres, such as sci-fi, action, adventure and thriller.

By my definition, a movie like Se7en, for instance, does not qualify as horror. That movie satisfies part b) (disturb or disgust the viewer), but not a). No scene in the movie puts the characters in a situation where they fear for their well being. There is one chase scene, but that's really an action scene, and the main characters are the ones doing the chasing. The murder scene set-pieces are certainly disturbing, but at no point are the cops entering the scene at risk. The characters don't know that they are victims of the antagonist until the final reveal, and neither does the viewer.

As a side note -- off topic for this post -- I did rank Se7en in my 90s list for the "100 years of horror" because I consider the purpose of this project to not just rank horror movies, but point out the important points in the history of horror. Although I don't consider Se7en a horror movie, it made a significant contribution to the genre, being a huge influence with it's crisp, cold, stylized production, high level of gore, and aggressive industrial rock musical score. James Wan owes a lot to Fincher for the style of his Saw series. Its influence can be found all over the place, even in TV with the Hannibal series.

I understand that others won't have the same definition of horror that I do, or may strongly disagree with mine. That doesn't bother me. Entertainment and art are personal things, and everyone should be entitled to interpret and define it as they please. The lines are always grey and ripe for debate. I prefer to adhere to whatever definition the community uses, but I'll stick with my definition for my personal use.

neverending
07-06-2013, 11:35 AM
I don't think a lot of the kaiju movies are meant to scare anyone- the protagonists are children and the action is cartoonish. They're children's movies. However, I think some can be considered horror movies, particularly Gojira and some of the other early productions. Also, the scale of violence can be considered- how much destruction is there? Destroy All Monsters would count, as would Godzilla Vs. the Smog Monster.

Giganticface
07-06-2013, 01:23 PM
I don't think a lot of the kaiju movies are meant to scare anyone- the protagonists are children and the action is cartoonish. They're children's movies. However, I think some can be considered horror movies, particularly Gojira and some of the other early productions. Also, the scale of violence can be considered- how much destruction is there? Destroy All Monsters would count, as would Godzilla Vs. the Smog Monster.

That makes sense. Although I think there is a such thing as children's horror, I like to treat children's movies as an entirely separate universe of film, where first and foremost, they are children's movies, and within that realm, they can be fantasy, action, adventure, horror, educational, etc.

Sculpt
07-06-2013, 08:30 PM
At the risk of me being an "arrested development" and a "psychosis" case, I leave this topic open for debate. Seems like no debate/discussion can be done without interjecting any personal remarks into it.

If enough people are in favor, the Godzilla (and other giant monster) films will be on debate during Round 2 of deliberations.
You're right, V, I should have left out the 'arrested development and psychosis' addition. I apologize if anyone felt insulted. However I'd like to make clear I made no personal attacks.

I think a discussion can be done without interjecting personal attacks. Speaking of my prior post, along with not using anyone's name, nobody on this forum has said the absurd things I wrote (that would have indicated arrested development or psychosis).

Nobody would say, "Gojira is horror, but all the rest of the giant monster, THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN, are not." and "All movies with the word "Vs" in it, even if I haven't seen them, are bad movies." Nobody would say these things because we all know it contradicts basic logic - logic being: you can't know what you can't know. Let me make it clear, I'm merely saying nobody can determine horror content and film quality on a film they haven't seen. Does any here profess to actually believe the statements I put in quotes?

I know Neverending wrote, "When crap like Leprechaun and Anything Vs. Anything makes it on to a best of anything list, I just want to gouge my eyes out and slit my wrists." At the time there was only one 'Vs' movie with votes on our 'best of' list, which was 'Jason Vs Freddy'. It's colorful language, not a thesis statement -- I'm certainly not going to assume he meant anything except Jason Vs Freddy, and likely that most "Vs" movies suck, which I completely agree with, out of my own experience (I haven't seen J Vs F).

I'd like to thank everyone of our members who have made it clear they respect others' opinions, and have been very courteous to each other. I think we have an excellent group here.

Sculpt
07-06-2013, 08:50 PM
I don't think a lot of the kaiju movies are meant to scare anyone- the protagonists are children and the action is cartoonish. They're children's movies. However, I think some can be considered horror movies, particularly Gojira and some of the other early productions. Also, the scale of violence can be considered- how much destruction is there? Destroy All Monsters would count, as would Godzilla Vs. the Smog Monster.
Completely agree. Most kaiju films aren't meant to scare anyone, and most are for children.

I think most of us have had that experience of, as an adult, going back to watch one of our childhood favorite kaiju movies... and seeing how bad, boring and childish it is. And that 'you can't go back', as it were. But every once in awhile you discover a 'new film', an adult appreciation on a film with true dedicated craft, depth and message.

I think most of recent (1990-onward) kaiju films, like the Godzilla and Gamera reboot series, are trying to appeal to a wider (adult) audience. Some have been good and include horror elements, and some not.

Giganticface
07-08-2013, 08:21 PM
If you have Netflix, The Signal is currently available on Instant streaming - GO WATCH IT IMMEDIATELY!!

Thanks for the tip! Instant Queue, now one bigger.

This was an excellent recommendation, ChronoGrl, thanks! Good concept, excellent characters, strong writing, good tension, and (gulp) romance? The handoff between directors for the three parts gave it variety in tone without being too jarring, or feeling like an anthology. I loved the indie feel. Some of the violent scenes were pretty hairy. An enjoyable film all around. I'm sure I'll watch it again. And if I had seen it prior to doing my rankings, who knows, it might have made the top 22. Probably a lock for at least the top 44. Thanks again.

realdealblues
07-09-2013, 04:47 AM
This was an excellent recommendation, ChronoGrl, thanks! Good concept, excellent characters, strong writing, good tension, and (gulp) romance? The handoff between directors for the three parts gave it variety in tone without being too jarring, or feeling like an anthology. I loved the indie feel. Some of the violent scenes were pretty hairy. An enjoyable film all around. I'm sure I'll watch it again. And if I had seen it prior to doing my rankings, who knows, it might have made the top 22. Probably a lock for at least the top 44. Thanks again.

It was in my Top 20. Probably my favorite "recent" Horror film. Glad someone else liked it.

_____V_____
07-09-2013, 11:31 AM
We start compiling the 2000s this weekend. If anyone has a pending list, be sure to complete it and send it before the weekend rolls in.

Good luck.

_____V_____
07-13-2013, 07:51 AM
And finally, here we go with the 2000s.

Before I post the Master List, let me elaborate a few points:-

1 - This is probably the first Master List with a LOT of diversity.

2 - I think many people just couldn't make their absolute final choices and there were a lot of chops and cuts in their 22.

3 - This is the first Master List out of all the decades gone which doesn't have an absolute leader in votes. Even for the 90s, for which I received 13 lists, Candyman found a spot in 11 of them.

4 - There are plenty of surprises ahead. Brace yourselves, and get ready to dive in.

Be mindful that we have to pick TWENTY-TWO films from this period, and not the usual TWENTY.



Summation:-

Number of lists received = 12.


IN THE CUT

Jeepers Creepers (2001) - 6 (-1)
Let the Right One In (2008) - 6
Shaun of the Dead (2004) - 6
The Ring (2002) - 6


[REC] (2007) - 5 (backed by neverending, seconded by The Villain, metternich1815, Kandarian Demon, Giganticface)
Paranormal Activity (2007) - 5 (backed by neverending, seconded by The Villain, metternich1815, natedog722, Giganticface)
Saw (2004) - 5 (backed by The Villain, seconded by metternich1815, realdealblues, natedog722, Giganticface)
Pan's Labyrinth (2006)* (backed by neverending, seconded by Straker, The Villain, Giganticface, Sculpt)

Signs (2002) - 5 (backed by The Villain, seconded by natedog722, Kandarian Demon, Giganticface) (-1)
The Cabin In The Woods (2011) - 4 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by natedog722, Kandarian Demon, tiberius) (-1)
The Descent (2005) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by metternich1815, realdealblues, Giganticface)
The Others (2001) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by metternich1815, natedog722, Sculpt)
Cloverfield (2008) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by The Villain, Kandarian Demon, Sculpt)




DEBATABLE

28 Days Later (2002) - 5 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by Giganticface, tiberius)
Dog Soldiers (2002) - 5 (backed by The Villain, seconded by realdealblues, Giganticface)
A Tale of Two Sisters (2003) - 4 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by natedog722, Kandarian Demon)
American Psycho (2000) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by metternich1815, realdealblues)
Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon (2006) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by metternich1815, natedog722)
Prometheus (2012) - 4 (backed by natedog722, seconded by tiberius)
The Devil's Backbone (2001) - 4 (backed by neverending)
The Mist (2007) - 4 (backed by metternich1815,seconded by natedog722, Kandarian Demon)




MINORITY

Battle Royale (2000) - 3 (backed by The Villain)
Dawn of the Dead (2004) - 3 (backed by Kandarian Demon) (-1)
Dead Silence (2007) - 3 (backed by natedog722, seconded by Kandarian Demon)
Diary of the Dead (2007) - 3 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by tiberius)
Final Destination (2000) - 3 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by natedog722)
Ginger Snaps (2000) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by metternich1815)
Hatchet (2006) - 3 (backed by Kandarian Demon)
May (2002) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by metternich1815, Giganticface)
Session 9 (2001) - 3 (backed by Giganticface)
Shutter (2004) - 3 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by natedog722, The Villain)
The Host (2006) - 3 (backed by The Villain)
The Strangers (2008) - 3 (backed by natedog722)

30 Days of Night (2007) - 2 (backed by natedog722)
Bubba Ho-Tep (2002) - 2 (backed by Straker, seconded by realdeablues, Kandarian Demon) (-1)
Constantine (2005) - 2 (backed by Sculpt)
Dagon (2001) - 2 (backed by Kandarian Demon)
Daybreakers (2009) - 2 (backed by Sculpt)
Feast (2005) - 2 (backed by realdealblues)
Fido (2006) - 2 (backed by realdealblues)
Frailty (2001) - 2 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by natedog722, tiberius)
Grindhouse (2007) - 2 (backed by metternich1815)
Hostel (2005) - 2 (backed by The Villain, seconded by realdealblues)
House of the Devil (2009) - 2
Inside (aka À l'intérieur) (2007) - 2 (backed by Giganticface)
Ju-on (2002) - 2 (backed by Kandarian Demon)
Martyrs (2008) - 2 (backed by Giganticface)
Oldboy (2003) - 2 (backed by neverending, seconded by Giganticface)
Pulse aka (Kairo) (2001) - 2 (backed by neverending, seconded by Straker)
Splinter (2008) - 2 (backed by natedog722)
The Devil Inside (2012) - 2 (backed by metternich1815)
The Exorcism of Emily Rose (2005) - 2 (backed by natedog722, seconded by Kandarian Demon)
The Hills Have Eyes (2006) - 2 (backed by realdealblues)
The Signal (2007) - 2 (backed by realdealblues)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2003) - 2 (backed by natedog722)
Thir13en Ghosts (2001) - 2 (backed by realdealblues, seconded by Kandarian Demon, tiberius) (-2)




SINGLE VOTES TO

An American Haunting (2005)
1408 (2007)
28 Weeks Later (2007)
Antichrist (2009)
Apollo 18 (2011)
AVP: Alien Vs. Predator (2004)*
AVPR - Aliens versus Predator: Requiem (2007)
Beneath Still Waters (2005)
Black Sheep (2006)
Black Swan (2010) (backed by Giganticface)
Blade II (2002)
Boogeymen: The Killer Compilation (2001)
Borderland (2007)
Brotherhood of the Wolf (2001)
Cabin Fever (2002)
Cirque du Freak: The Vampire's Assistant (2009)
Darkness Falls (2003)
Dead Birds (2004)
Dead Snow (2009)
Devil (2010)
Disturbia (2007) (backed by Sculpt)
Drag Me To Hell (2009)
FeardotCom (2002)
Final Destination 2 (2003)
Freddy vs. Jason (2003)
Fright Night (2011) (backed by realdealblues)
Frontier(s) (2007) (backed by neverending)
Ghost Ship (2002)
Godzilla: Final Wars (2004) (backed by Sculpt)
Grave Encounters (2011)
Greedy Guts aka Otesanek (2000) (backed by Straker)
Hard Candy (2005) (backed by neverending, seconded by The Villain)
Home Movie (2008) (backed by neverending)
Hostel: Part II (2007)
House of 1000 Corpses (2003)
I am Legend (2007)
Identity (2003)
Ils (aka) Them (2006) (backed by neverending)
John Dies at the End (2012) (backed by Sculpt)
Julia's Eyes (2010) (backed by The Villain)
Ju-on: The Grudge 2 (2003)
Land of the Dead (2005) (backed by realdealblues)
Legion (2010)
Let Me In (2010)
Lovely Molly (2011)
Man-Thing (2005)
Mirrors (2008)
Mother of Tears (2007)
Mum & Dad (2008) (backed by neverending)
My Bloody Valentine (2009)
My Name Is Bruce (2007)
Chakushin Ari (aka) (One Missed Call) (2003)
Paranormal Activity 3 (2011)
Rare Exports: A Christmas Tale (2010) (backed by The Villain)
Red Dragon (2002)
Red Riding Hood (2011)
Resident Evil (2002)
Sauna (2008)
Shadow of the Vampire (2000) (backed by Straker) (-1)
Silk (2006)
Sinister (2012)
Switchblade Romance (aka High Tension aka Haute Tension) (2005)
The Amityville Horror (2005)
The Butterfly Effect (2004) (backed by Sculpt)
The Cell (2000) (backed by Sculpt)
The Daisy Chain (2008)
The Fog (2005)
The Forgotten (2004)
The Haunted Mansion (2003)
The Haunting in Connecticut (2009)
The Messengers (2007)
The Mothman Prophecies (2002)
The Orphanage (2007) (backed by The Villain)
The Poughkeepsie Tapes (2007) (backed by The Villain)
The Revenant (2009)
The Ruins (2008)
The Skeleton Key (2005)
The X Files: I Want to Believe (2008)
Thirst aka (Bakjwi) (2009) (backed by Straker)
Three... Extremes (2004)
Trick 'r Treat (2009)
Trollhunter(2010) (backed by The Villain)
Tucker and Dale Vs Evil (2010)
Underworld (2003)
Vacancy (2007) (backed by Sculpt)
Venom (2005)
Versus (2000)
Zombieland (2009) (backed by realdealblues)


(* = not in the original 00s Master List)



Only FOUR films have made it in, by a vote percentage of at/over 50%.

We need to select EIGHTEEN more, most preferably from the DEBATABLE section.

(Yes I know and I realise it - to see a Master List of the 2000s being topped by Jeepers Creepers is really mind-boggling!)

If everyone is in agreement, we can toss in ALL films which have scored 5 votes and 4 votes (FIFTEEN in total), and pick THREE films from the 3-votes/Minority Section, and thus we get our chosen top 22.

Or, we can debate over the other films, pick up those which are lower in the vote list with some solid backing, and hammer out the final 22 in that way.

Either way, I am all ears, and I am VERY interested to read the thoughts/discussion which follows this post.

neverending
07-13-2013, 08:22 AM
My god, once again, some of the films only getting one vote- Ils, Frontier(s), Hard Candy, Home Movie (well, I suppose not many have seen it), Mum & Dad, One Missed Call...

neverending
07-13-2013, 08:27 AM
I'm backing:

[REC]
Paranormal Activity
The Devil's Backbone
Cloverfield
Ginger Snaps
May
Oldboy
Pulse (Kairo)
Ils,
Frontier(s),
Hard Candy,
Home Movie
Mum & Dad,
Pan's Labyrinth

_____V_____
07-13-2013, 08:27 AM
One Missed Call

That's the remake, too. The original, Chakushin Ari (2003), got no takers.

neverending
07-13-2013, 08:29 AM
That's the remake, too. The original, Chakushin Ari (2003), got no takers.

Ah... There's been so much to do in this project I just didn't deal with translations. I know I missed some of my favorites because of that.

Straker
07-13-2013, 08:34 AM
Where to start.... Don't really have time to get stuck into this right now, but damn I have a lot to back here. I guess I'll start with a straight up list and then go into detail when I have more time. I'll ignore the stuff with 3+ votes for now since some of those should be certainties anyway.

Bubba Ho-Tep: Only 2 vote for these flicks is criminal!


Pulse (Kairo): Great premise, lots of atmosphere, much better than lots of the flicks with more votes.

Thirst (Bakjwi): One vote, really? :( If you haven't watched it, go watch it!

Pan's Labyrinth: I get why this didn't get more votes, but its theres still enough horror in this one for me, so I voted for it anyway. :p

Shadow of the Vampire: How was I the only person to vote for this genre bending classic? The premise alone makes this a top 20 flick, doesn't it? Awesome flick, needs to be better appreciated, Malkovich and Dafoe are amazing, just an all round quality movie.

Greedy Guts aka Otesanek: Well this is another one that I imagine most haven't seen. It's basically an eastern European fairy tale. Way off beat dark comedy from the legendary director Jan Svankmajer. This is visual cinema at its best. Svankmajer is an absolute legend, specifically of surreal/ stop motion cinema and this is probably the most accessible work.....

Not expecting it to get any backings, but one thing I would say is that there is tons of quality eastern European cinema/ directors that specialise in surreal cinema or stop motion work that is so closely linked to the horror genre that I would advise a lot of you guys to check out. Guys like Svankmajer, Juraj Herz, Brothers Quay.

I think there are a few others I wanted to back or talk about but I am rambling and really have no idea what I have backed or haven't anymore!

The Villain
07-13-2013, 09:00 AM
I'm backing:

Rec
Dog Soldiers
Saw
Behind The Mask
The Descent
The Others
Battle Royale
The Host
Hostel
Hard Candy
Julia's Eyes
Pan's Labyrinth
Rare Exports: A Christmas Tale
The Orphanage
The Poughkeepsie Tapes
Trollhunter
American Psycho
Paranormal Activity
Cloverfield
Signs

metternich1815
07-13-2013, 09:47 AM
Clearly, many of us have different ideas of the best films from this period (I did not even vote for half of the films "in the cut"). I am not saying that it is a bad thing, I am just surprised by some of the films that did not automatically make the cut. I will have to say that I now agree that the period of 2000-2012 is better than the 1990s. I will back:
Rec
28 Days Later
Paranormal Activity
Saw
A Tale of Two Sisters
American Psycho
Behind the Mask:The Rise of Leslie Vernon
The Cabin in the Woods
The Descent
The Mist
Diary of the Dead
Final Destination
May
Shutter (2004)
The Others
Frailty
The Devil Inside
Grindhouse
Thirteen Ghosts

realdealblues
07-13-2013, 10:53 AM
I will back.

Dog Soldiers (2002)
Saw (2004)
American Psycho (2000)
The Descent (2005)
Bubba Ho-Tep (2002)
Feast (2005)
Fido (2006)
Hostel (2005)
The Hills Have Eyes (2006)
The Signal (2007)
Thir13en Ghosts (2001)

And even though they only got one vote.

Fright Night (2011)
Zombieland (2009)
Land of the Dead (2005)

natedog722
07-13-2013, 11:48 AM
I will back:
Behind the Mask
Paranormal Activity
Shutter (2004)
Dead Silence
Frailty
30 Days of Night
Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The Exorcism of Emily Rose
The Cabin in the Woods
Prometheus
Tale of Two Sisters
Final Destination
The Others
The Strangers
Splinter
Saw
Signs
The Mist

Kandarian Demon
07-13-2013, 01:13 PM
Wow... I guess some of the reason for the diversity might be that very few of the movies of the 2000s are "classics" yet in our minds, which means less obvious choices.

Anyway, I'll back:

[REC] (2007)
Signs (2002)
A Tale of Two Sisters (2003)
The Cabin In The Woods (2011)
The Mist (2007)
Cloverfield (2008)
Dawn of the Dead (2004)
Dead Silence (2007)
Hatchet (2006)
Bubba Ho-Tep (2002)
Dagon (2001)
Ju-on (2002)
The Exorcism of Emily Rose (2005)
Thir13en Ghosts (2001)

By the way, I'll never understand why Dagon gets so little love... it's probably the best Lovecraft movie ever made.

metternich1815
07-13-2013, 03:13 PM
Wow... I guess some of the reason for the diversity might be that very few of the movies of the 2000s are "classics" yet in our minds, which means less obvious choices.

Anyway, I'll back:

[REC] (2007)
Signs (2002)
A Tale of Two Sisters (2003)
The Cabin In The Woods (2011)
The Mist (2007)
Cloverfield (2008)
Dawn of the Dead (2004)
Dead Silence (2007)
Hatchet (2006)
Bubba Ho-Tep (2002)
Dagon (2001)
Ju-on (2002)
The Exorcism of Emily Rose (2005)
Thir13en Ghosts (2001)

By the way, I'll never understand why Dagon gets so little love... it's probably the best Lovecraft movie ever made.

How old does a film have to be to be considered a "classic" anyway? I am just curious. If there were any films that I would guess would be considered classic in the future I would guess those films would be Saw, Paranormal Activity, The Ring, The Descent, Rec, American Psycho, and Final Destination. Possibly May and Hostel. Of course, this is just my view, but these films seem to stick out.

Giganticface
07-13-2013, 03:40 PM
If everyone is in agreement, we can toss in ALL films which have scored 5 votes and 4 votes (FIFTEEN in total), and pick THREE films from the 3-votes/Minority Section, and thus we get our chosen top 22.

Or, we can debate over the other films, pick up those which are lower in the vote list with some solid backing, and hammer out the final 22 in that way.

I suggest letting the 5-vote films in, which gives us 10, then we debate the final 12.


I'll try not to back too many (which is hard) because I feel like listing all the movies you voted for is basically just a recount. Except some people that originally voted won't participate, so their votes are lost. Not trying to be critical -- everybody's doing it. :-)

If Pan's Labyrinth is in contention, I'll back that.

I'll back Black Swan, one of the best films IMO across all genres during this time period.

Then I'll back a few that I think will be classics someday, or at least help define the period.

Session 9
Martyrs
REC
The Descent
Saw
Oldboy


There are a few other really great movies that I'd like to back, but I'll hold off and see how it plays out.

The Villain
07-13-2013, 04:48 PM
I just realized that's the original Shutter and not the remake. Having recently watched that and now knowing how scary and well made it is, I would like to back it as well.

realdealblues
07-13-2013, 06:30 PM
How old does a film have to be to be considered a "classic" anyway? I am just curious.

I figure it's about the same as with Classic Automobiles which is usually 25 years.

Sculpt
07-13-2013, 11:59 PM
For the sake of some debate, I'll start out with a few negatives. I really didn't have much appreciation for Shadow of the Vampire, Bubba Ho-Tep and Jeepers Creepers.
- I thought Shadow was a bit disjointed and boorish.
- I thought Bubba was rather niche (for fans of 'Elvis and lowbrow humor' and Bruce Campbell, which I'm one of), a little silly and slow.
- Jeepers just wasn't memorable, except that I remember I didn't care for it. I'll start the vote for excluding it.


I'd like to back these. Thought they all were very good films, in order of enjoyment:

John Dies at the End (2012) - excellently directed with camera shots conveying a very trippy, original and fun film.
Godzilla: Final Wars (2004) - A true postmodern film, best exercise in combining many film themes into one new film, well done, fast paced, lots of fun.
Pan's Labyrinth (2006) - visually fantastic, original story with a lot of heart.
The Butterfly Effect (2004) - If you've seen it without distraction, I think you'll know what I mean -- I wasn't expecting much from this movie, and instead it packs a powerful punch of adrenaline and lingering mood effects, thought was quite effective and interesting story.
The Cell (2000) - ambitious and magnificent display of psychological and subconscious horror.
Constantine (2005) - original idea, well executed in special effects and story.
Vacancy (2007) -- I just enjoyed it. It was simple, but character development and acting produced characters I cared about, effective thriller in that I was on the edge of my seat to see what happens next.
Cloverfield (2008) - effective photorealism on the big screen, very engrossing.
The Others -- well made and executed original idea, a classic
Disturbia (2007) - effective and entertaining thriller.
Daybreakers (2009) - original idea, executed well.

Kandarian Demon
07-14-2013, 12:00 AM
How old does a film have to be to be considered a "classic" anyway? I am just curious.

I don't know, really... I don't make the "rules" :p But... let's say we're talking about the 70s. In a conversation about the best movies of that decade, it's inevitable that "The Exorcist" will be mentioned. And - let's say you think that movie is crap (which I don't, it's just an example). You would either shut up about it, OR you would state your opinion and have everyone tear you apart for being SO stupid that you don't see how fantastic that classic is. Maybe you'd even add it when making your list just so people won't think that you don't know your horror history.

I agree with you - Saw is most likely a future classic. But mention Saw, and no one is "supposed" to have a certain opinion about it. Except that maybe some of us who are a bit older will consciously or subconsciously feel the need to let everyone know that "it is modern, therefore it's crap" (and I am sure that I have had my moments where I've been guilty of that).

We are still free to form our own opinions about the movies of the 2000's - there are no movies we HAVE to like, and with a few exceptions no movies we're programmed to feel we HAVE to consider for a list like this. Which is why I think that the choices people have made are so diverse compared to the other decades.

That was my point :)

_____V_____
07-14-2013, 03:24 AM
Thanks for all your inputs, guys. We have made a HUGE leap - nailed TWENTY choices now.

Only TWO more films need to be finalised for this round. (It could have been 21, if Sculpt hadn't sent a negative vote for Bubba Ho-Tep)

Anyway, some of the chosen films have scored such a majority of positive backings (4/5 people backing them) that I am moving them up to a separate section below the "IN THE CUT" section in the same post. Please refer it again for the finalised ones, and the ones which still have a chance -

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=952706&postcount=595

Please be mindful that the films highlighted in BOLD are our final chosen ones, unless they score negative votes in the subsequent discussion.

Keep the thoughts coming.

The Villain
07-14-2013, 04:32 AM
Really Thirteen Ghosts made the list? Where's the outrage for the inclusion of this silly remake into the list like there was for Leprechaun?

_____V_____
07-14-2013, 04:41 AM
Really Thirteen Ghosts made the list? Where's the outrage for the inclusion of this silly remake into the list like there was for Leprechaun?

It's mind-boggling I admit, although I am not really baffled. If Jeepers Creepers could top the 2000s most-favored lists, I guess nothing else could really surprise me.

Except of course, if The Village had got a place in even one of the submitted lists. That would have really drove me straight into the lunatic asylum.

The Villain
07-14-2013, 04:43 AM
It's mind-boggling I admit, although I am not really baffled. If Jeepers Creepers could top the 2000s most-favored lists, I guess nothing else could really surprise me.

Except of course, if The Village had got a place in even one of the submitted lists. That would have really drove me straight into the lunatic asylum.

Jeepers Creepers i'll admit is kinda dumb but i also found it creepy, original and a throwback to old monster movies. It is astounding that it topped the list though, i wouldnt have expected that.

Your hatred for The Village is well known although i don't understand it. Honestly though i'm probably in the minority of people who like that movie. Most people seem to hate it.

metternich1815
07-14-2013, 06:20 AM
I have to say that I thoroughly enjoyed both Thirteen Ghosts and Jeepers Creepers. I thought they were both excellent films. Jeepers Creepers was my favorite of the two. I thought the acting and character development was really good. Additionally, the story/plot was unique and intriguing. The creature looked very scary. Lastly, I thought that the film had excellent atmosphere. I was surprised it made the cut though because it is one of those films that gets a lot of undeserved hate. It definitely deserves a spot in the top 22 for 2000-2012. Thirteen Ghosts is more debatable, but I thought it was an excellent remake, the ghosts were especially good. Shadow of the Vampire was good, but I do not know if I would put it in the top 22 of 2000-2012. I have not seen Bubba-Hotep. Anyway, those are my views on these topics.

metternich1815
07-14-2013, 06:29 AM
This is really weird, especially since I defended Thirteen Ghosts. I think I would like to remove my backing (if that is okay) because there are some better films from this period that I would like to give a chance.

metternich1815
07-14-2013, 07:09 AM
I have already backed these films, but I think I am going to write specific defenses for the three films that I think should be added to the list:

28 Days Later: This is a great zombie (I realize that they are a virus and not true zombies, but for all intents and purposes they are zombies) film from the United Kingdom. Honestly, I am surprised that this film has not made it. What is great about the film is its realism. Everything about this film seems real: the settings, the characters, etc. On that note, there was some excellent performances and brilliant character development. When characters die, you really feel for them. Another brilliant aspect of this film is that it is more about the people than the zombies, which is what I love about it. Zombies actually do not have as much on screen time as you would think they should. This film delves into the question of human nature without directly saying it. An all-around excellent film. No top list would be complete without this film.

Frailty This was an excellent, if overlooked, film from the 2000s. It follows a family in the rural area, whose head (the Father) is supposedly getting a list from God of the people who are really demons and he must kill them. There are some brilliant performances here, especially Paxton (who directed the film) and McConaughey. The story is captivating and the atmosphere is perfect. You never really know what to believe throughout this film. Is this guy crazy or is he telling the truth? Anyway, an all-around excellent movie, although, unfortunately, often overlooked.

May This is a very interesting, if weird film from 2002. The film follows a woman named May, who works at a veterinary hospital and is very strange. I will not go into specifics, in case anyone has not seen it, but it is an excellent film. You really feel for the main character, as things go on. Eventually leading to a big twist, which is when the film gets weirder (and really gory). This film is well-acted, well-directed, and the story is very strange and captivating. I do believe that many have overlooked this film, especially when it came out, which is unfortunate because it is actually one of the best of the previous decade.

Anyway, these are the three films that I think should be added to the final list. You may disagree, but I thought I would at least provide a defense for why I believe they should be added.

_____V_____
07-14-2013, 08:05 AM
Your hatred for The Village is well known although i don't understand it. Honestly though i'm probably in the minority of people who like that movie. Most people seem to hate it.

As a standalone film maybe it can be called semi-decent but after all the marketing and hype of it being a horror film, and because of Shyamalan's brand name behind it, I went in expecting a solid horror film (I am a huge, huge fan of Unbreakable, loved The Sixth Sense, and Signs was more than decent too, IMO).

Imagine my jaw dropping in sheer surprise, and that followed by seething anger the moment the "twist" came in midway through the film! What followed from the "twist" onwards is well-known by now that it wasn't horror in the REMOTEST of senses. It was a cheap gimmick to draw audiences to the theater, the film nosedived on itself because it went on to take itself WAY too seriously, and I am sure Shyamalan learned a lesson or two about falling down from his high horse. People don't expect to be taken for a ride - advertise something, show something else. That was the day Shyamalan's name didn't hold any good anymore, specially for me. The film was a joke, an example of how you can make a viewer seem like a total jackass.

Since that very bitter viewership experience, I would gladly take a baseball bat to any/every copy of the film I could lay my hands upon.

This is really weird, especially since I defended Thirteen Ghosts. I think I would like to remove my backing (if that is okay) because there are some better films from this period that I would like to give a chance.

Sure you can.

Adjusting the list accordingly. Our count of finalised films for the 00s now goes down to NINETEEN.

THREE more need to be finalised now.

neverending
07-14-2013, 08:13 AM
I'll cast a negative vote for Thirteen Ghosts as well. It would be a travesty to see it make this list.

I've already backed May, so I'd like to reiterate what a splash it made when it came out, and is notable for having a female lead that's not initially a victim.

Likewise, I'd like people to consider Hard Candy for its strong female lead.

And here's a plea for Pulse (Kairo) - for all the talk of how Asian cinema revitalised horror, there's only one in the cut so far.

metternich1815
07-14-2013, 08:19 AM
I'll cast a negative vote for Dawn of the Dead (2004), it was an okay movie, but there is no reason that it should be on the 2000s list. It is not bad, I just do not think that it is particularly good either. The original was definitely much better, in my opinion.

Straker
07-14-2013, 08:57 AM
I'm neg voting a few things then since that seems to be a little more acceptable:

13 Ghosts- Crap movie.

Cabin in the Woods- Thought it was a quality little flick for the year, but just cause it came out 5 minuites ago and is fresh in peoples minds doesn't mean it warrants a spot in the top 20. I enjoyed it but in the grand scheme of things its really average.

Signs- I thought this was a horror movie list not a sci-fi list.... I'm all for blurring the genre lines a little, but if ever a movie was out and out sci-fi its this one. Its also pretty mediocre outside the performance of Joaquin Phoenix.

I'm seriously baffled by the neg votes for both Bubba Ho Tep but more specifically the negativity towards Shadow of the Vampire....

It's frankly laughable to hear people talk about original concepts and ideas and then neg rep one of the most original screenplays you could ever come across. It's one thing to not vote for it or even not rate it as a movie, but to neg rep it while talking about the originality of other movies in the same breath is laughable. I'd like to ask anyone on this forum to point me in the direction of a more creative and original vampire story than Shadow of the Vampire.

Also, what NE said, the lack of Asian cinema in the final cut is tragic....

To be honest though, Jeepers Creepers got 6 votes and sailed into the final 20, so its hard to give a fuck really...

Kandarian Demon
07-14-2013, 09:30 AM
As a standalone film maybe it can be called semi-decent but after all the marketing and hype of it being a horror film, and because of Shyamalan's brand name behind it, I went in expecting a solid horror film (I am a huge, huge fan of Unbreakable, loved The Sixth Sense, and Signs was more than decent too, IMO).

Imagine my jaw dropping in sheer surprise, and that followed by seething anger the moment the "twist" came in midway through the film! What followed from the "twist" onwards is well-known by now that it wasn't horror in the REMOTEST of senses.

When I watched that movie, I loved the first part of it - then "the twist" came, and the movie was completely ruined for me. So I totally agree with you. It COULD have been a good movie if it had allowed to actually BE a horror movie. But it left me feeling like a kid who has just been told that Santa isn't real.



Signs- I thought this was a horror movie list not a sci-fi list.... I'm all for blurring the genre lines a little, but if ever a movie was out and out sci-fi its this one. Its also pretty mediocre outside the performance of Joaquin Phoenix.

Signs is - for ME personally - one of the most terrifying movies I have ever seen. When I first attempted to watch it, I had to leave the room, and I think that's the only time a horror movie has done that to me in my adult life.

I do get what you're saying about sci-fi, but I heard no complaints about Alien or The Thing making the lists... Signs is about "monsters from space" too.

Sculpt
07-14-2013, 09:32 AM
We should all take a look at the master list again.

28 Days Later received 5 votes at the get go, has no negative votes, but is currently not in our top 22. It's at the top of my list of films to see, so I can't vote for it. But if any thought it was one of the best, give it your backing.

Also Prometheus and Devil's Backbone had a lot of votes, but no backing. So consider backing those.

I saw Prometheus, and I liked it. I'm a big fan of Alien, and Ridley Scott's work, but Pro was flayed to me. But I thought it was a little better than Decent, Cabin and Paranormal. If 28 Days and Devil's Backbone were better than Pro, I'd rather they go in.

metternich1815
07-14-2013, 09:40 AM
I'm neg voting a few things then since that seems to be a little more acceptable:

13 Ghosts- Crap movie.

Cabin in the Woods- Thought it was a quality little flick for the year, but just cause it came out 5 minuites ago and is fresh in peoples minds doesn't mean it warrants a spot in the top 20. I enjoyed it but in the grand scheme of things its really average.

Signs- I thought this was a horror movie list not a sci-fi list.... I'm all for blurring the genre lines a little, but if ever a movie was out and out sci-fi its this one. Its also pretty mediocre outside the performance of Joaquin Phoenix.

I'm seriously baffled by the neg votes for both Bubba Ho Tep but more specifically the negativity towards Shadow of the Vampire....

It's frankly laughable to hear people talk about original concepts and ideas and then neg rep one of the most original screenplays you could ever come across. It's one thing to not vote for it or even not rate it as a movie, but to neg rep it while talking about the originality of other movies in the same breath is laughable. I'd like to ask anyone on this forum to point me in the direction of a more creative and original vampire story than Shadow of the Vampire.

Also, what NE said, the lack of Asian cinema in the final cut is tragic....

To be honest though, Jeepers Creepers got 6 votes and sailed into the final 20, so its hard to give a fuck really...

Thirteen Ghosts was not a masterpiece, but far from a crap film. The story was very different, the make-up was excellent, and I found the atmosphere to be great. I would not include it in the top 22, but it is not a crap film.

You make a good point about it being very young, but I disagree on it being average. I think it was an excellent film with a strange, if weird, plot/storyline. The acting and character development was excellent. Additionally, the movie was hilarious, while also remaining clearly a horror movie. I especially enjoyed how the film satirized the horror genre. Despite being young, I believe it definitely deserves a place on the top 22.

Signs is as much a horror movie as it is a sci-fi. I think the film was very well-acted and directed. The story was unique and interesting. Additionally, there was great atmosphere and you could really feel for the characters. In my opinion, this film was genuinely creepy. It is far from mediocre. I will say I am surprised that it is one the list, but, in my opinion, it certainly deserves it.

I have never seen Bubba-Hotep, so have no opinion on it either way. As for Mark of the Vampire, I agree that it was an excellent film with terrific performances and a very unique premise. With that being said, I just can not imagine it on the top 22 list, it just seems like there are a number of other films that should be given a chance. Of course, I would not neg vote it because, like you said, it was very original, but I would not vote for it either.

I am glad, if surprised, that Jeepers Creepers is on the list. It definitely deserves a place for the reasons that I described. That is one film that gets way too much undeserved hate. I will repost my opinion here:" I thought the acting and character development was really good. Additionally, the story/plot was unique and intriguing. The creature looked very scary. Lastly, I thought that the film had excellent atmosphere. I was surprised it made the cut though because it is one of those films that gets a lot of undeserved hate. It definitely deserves a spot in the top 22 for 2000-2012."

Anyway, those are my thoughts on the topics you addressed.


Signs is - for ME personally - one of the most terrifying movies I have ever seen. When I first attempted to watch it, I had to leave the room, and I think that's the only time a horror movie has done that to me in my adult life.

I do get what you're saying about sci-fi, but I heard no complaints about Alien or The Thing making the lists... Signs is about "monsters from space" too.

I completely agree.

We should all take a look at the master list again.

28 Days Later received 5 votes at the get go, has no negative votes, but is currently not in our top 22. It's at the top of my list of films to see, so I can't vote for it. But if any thought it was one of the best, give it your backing.

Also Prometheus and Devil's Backbone had a lot of votes, but no backing. So consider backing those.

I saw Prometheus, and I liked it. I'm a big fan of Alien, and Ridley Scott's work, but Pro was flayed to me. But I thought it was a little better than Decent, Cabin and Paranormal. If 28 Days and Devil's Backbone were better than Pro, I'd rather they go in.

You should definitely see 28 Days Later, it is excellent. I was surprised that it did not already make it. Prometheus was good, but I do not think I would put it in the top 22 of the period. I have not seen The Devil's Backbone. If this list did not include The Descent and Paranormal Activity, then I could not take it seriously. Both of those are excellent films and ones that I could see being called classics in the future. I would really like The Cabin in the Woods to get in too because I really loved it and thought it was an excellent film on several levels. I could deal with it, if it did not make it, but I would be greatly disappointed.

neverending
07-14-2013, 10:05 AM
Personally, I don't find Jeepers Creepers to be original or well done at all. The script is a typical pastiche of monster film tropes, and the acting is average. I haven't argued against it because there seem to be so many who like it. Compromises have to be made.

I love Bubba Ho-Tep, and agree with everything Straker said about it. I just didn't put any comedies in my list, though I also love Fido and Zombieland.

I also love 28 Days Later, though I'm not going to give it any backing while other films I like better languish.

The debate about sci-fi vs. horror is a slippery slope. I don't consider Alien a horror movie, but everyone else does, so I shut up. I wouldn't consider Promethius a horror film either. But, if you start eliminating all films that have a scientific background, there go things like Frankenstein, so you make allowances.

In the end, these lists we make are not going to be any better or more accurate than any other list you'll find on the internet, but they pass the time.

Straker
07-14-2013, 10:11 AM
Thirteen Ghosts was not a masterpiece, but far from a crap film.


I disagree, I thought it was utter crap...

You make a good point about it being very young, but I disagree on it being average. I think it was an excellent film with a strange, if weird, plot/storyline. The acting and character development was excellent. Additionally, the movie was hilarious, while also remaining clearly a horror movie. I especially enjoyed how the film satirized the horror genre. Despite being young, I believe it definitely deserves a place on the top 20.


I assume you are talking about Cabin in the Woods here.... My point about it being a new film is that people are only backing it because it is fresh in their minds.... If it was good enough to make the top 20 that would be fine, but it isn't, its fresh and fun, but not good enough to be considered a top 20 movie of this or any era. I can think of 50 better movies from the last 13 years, easily.

Signs is as much a horror movie as it is a sci-fi.


No its not.... You can argue whether it can fit into the horror genre and I wouldn't have much of an argument against it, but it is clearly more weighted towards a sci-fi movie. But we are talking semantics, the only thing that is relevant is whether it belongs in the top 20 movies of the last 13 years and it really doesn't.

As for Mark of the Vampire, I agree that it was an excellent film with terrific performances and a very unique premise. With that being said, I just can not imagine it on the top 20 list, it just seems like there are a number of other films that should be given a chance


Ironically, Mark of the Vampire is a Tod Browning flick from the 30's. But I'm pretty sure even Browning would be struggling to compete with the movies of the 2000s, which all seem to have great acting and character development....

metternich1815
07-14-2013, 10:12 AM
Personally, I don't find Jeepers Creepers to be original or well done at all. The script is a typical pastiche of monster film tropes, and the acting is average. I haven't argued against it because there seem to be so many who like it. Compromises have to be made.

I love Bubba Ho-Tep, and agree with everything Straker said about it. I just didn't put any comedies in my list, though I also love Fido and Zombieland.

I also love 28 Days Later, though I'm not going to give it any backing while other films I like better languish.

The debate about sci-fi vs. horror is a slippery slope. I don't consider Alien a horror movie, but everyone else does, so I shut up. I wouldn't consider Promethius a horror film either. But, if you start eliminating all films that have a scientific background, there go things like Frankenstein, so you make allowances.

In the end, these lists we make are not going to be any better or more accurate than any other list you'll find on the internet, but they pass the time.

I understand what you are saying on Jeepers Creepers, but I think that was intentional (to make it a typical monster movie). I disagree on the acting, I thought it was actually really good, in my opinion, I could really feel for the characters. I do understand and respect your views on the film though.

I consider any comedy that has a horror element to be horror and there are many sci-fis that I consider to be horror (The first Terminator, the Alien movies, the predator movies, Signs, Slither, and most of the 50s sci-fi, as well as their remakes such as The Thing and The Fly). Of course, I tend to cast a wide net of what is and is not horror. Prometheus is debatable, in my opinion, but, either way, I do not think I would include it on the top 22 of the 2000-2012.

I have not seen Bubba-Hotep and I believe that 28 Days Later seriously should be on the list and am deeply surprised it is not already.

I, personally, think that this list will be better than any on the internet because we all participated, in my opinion, that makes it inherently better.

I do deeply respect your opinions, even if I disagree with them.

By the way, I will back Ginger Snaps.

Straker
07-14-2013, 10:14 AM
I love Bubba Ho-Tep, and agree with everything Straker said about it. I just didn't put any comedies in my list, though I also love Fido and Zombieland.


I went back and forth on the comedy horror flicks, I have omitted them in other eras, but I felt like the 2000s was such a strong era for horror/ comedy that it was worth representing that... Both Bubba Ho-Tep and Fido made my 22, Zombieland still fell short though.

metternich1815
07-14-2013, 10:18 AM
I disagree, I thought it was utter crap...



I assume you are talking about Cabin in the Woods here.... My point about it being a new film is that people are only backing it because it is fresh in their minds.... If it was good enough to make the top 20 that would be fine, but it isn't, its fresh and fun, but not good enough to be considered a top 20 movie of this or any era. I can think of 50 better movies from the last 13 years, easily.



No its not.... You can argue whether it can fit into the horror genre and I wouldn't have much of an argument against it, but it is clearly more weighted towards a sci-fi movie. But we are talking semantics, the only thing that is relevant is whether it belongs in the top 20 movies of the last 13 years and it really doesn't.



Ironically, Mark of the Vampire is a Tod Browning flick from the 30's. But I'm pretty sure even Browning would be struggling to compete with the movies of the 2000s, which all seem to have great acting and character development....

You have the right to your opinion, but I believe that Thirteen Ghosts was actually quite excellent.

Obviously, I have already shared my views on The Cabin in the Woods, so I guess we will have to disagree there too.

I understand what you are saying on Signs, but I, personally, believe that it deserves a place in the list. In my opinion, it is great and still creeps me out.

Not all movies in the 2000s have great acting and character development, just the ones that I said they did (obviously in my opinion). I did not think that it as really that good in Dawn of the Dead (2004) as one example.

I guess on these we will have to agree to disagree because, while I see your arguments, I simply can not agree with them. I do respect your opinion though.

Giganticface
07-14-2013, 10:24 AM
I'll back May. It was probably next on my list of backing once I saw how things played out. It looks like it has a chance, and it's a brilliant film. Maybe a bit more black comedy than horror, but I like that it would add diversity to the list.

I'll also back Inside. Why? Because it's scary. Maybe it will catch steam. It started with a couple votes. It would be nice for our horror list to have few movies that are actually really terrifying. Also, if we're really serious about representing the time period, it would be criminal not to give the wave of New French Extremity its due. In some ways, that movement is leading the way for the revitalization of horror.

If Pan's Labyrinth were not an option, hands down The Devils Backbone should be a shoe-in, but it looks like del Toro will be represented, so I'll refrain from backing it.

Neverending has a good point about Pulse, but I won't back it because The Ring, and it looks like Shutter, are already in.

Neither of the above two comments are intended to mean a "negative backing."


Just a few comments (not backing or negative backing) about some stuff brought up:

I totally agree with K-Demon about Signs. I thought it was scary! And horror. Although if I were putting it on a shelf in the video store, it would be Sci Fi.

I loved The Village, even after the twist. The twist definitely changed my view of the film and required complete readjustment, but I still loved it. I didn't go into it expecting a horror movie -- maybe that made a difference.

Bubba Ho-Tep is going to be a love/hate thing for people. At its core, it's really a comedy, so personally I don't mind it not making this list. Bruce Campbell is hilarious in it. I'm not backing it though. We already have Shaun of the Dead. Back a scary movie like Inside! :)

Kandarian Demon
07-14-2013, 10:29 AM
But, if you start eliminating all films that have a scientific background, there go things like Frankenstein, so you make allowances.


I agree. Most zombie movies today are really more sci-fi than horror if you think about it. They are usually not supernatural creatures, but caused by some kind of chemical or man-made virus created by scientists.

_____V_____
07-14-2013, 10:51 AM
I must admit one thing here - we haven't had such a lively debate in our forum since...well...a long, LONG time.

Carry on, folks. All of it is making for some riveting reading from behind the lines.

EDIT - We are still at 19. A negative vote has dropped The Cabin in the Woods, and a solid backing has finalised May for contention.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=952706#post952706

Still need 3 more.

The Villain
07-14-2013, 11:31 AM
As a standalone film maybe it can be called semi-decent but after all the marketing and hype of it being a horror film, and because of Shyamalan's brand name behind it, I went in expecting a solid horror film (I am a huge, huge fan of Unbreakable, loved The Sixth Sense, and Signs was more than decent too, IMO).

Imagine my jaw dropping in sheer surprise, and that followed by seething anger the moment the "twist" came in midway through the film! What followed from the "twist" onwards is well-known by now that it wasn't horror in the REMOTEST of senses. It was a cheap gimmick to draw audiences to the theater, the film nosedived on itself because it went on to take itself WAY too seriously, and I am sure Shyamalan learned a lesson or two about falling down from his high horse. People don't expect to be taken for a ride - advertise something, show something else. That was the day Shyamalan's name didn't hold any good anymore, specially for me. The film was a joke, an example of how you can make a viewer seem like a total jackass.

Since that very bitter viewership experience, I would gladly take a baseball bat to any/every copy of the film I could lay my hands upon.

Honestly that's the first understandable reason anyone's ever given me towards their dislike of The Village. Although i don't think it's fair to judge a movie based off its advertising. If Shyamalan was going around saying it was a horror film, then i could understand your misgivings and maybe he did i dont know but if it was only the trailers alone then thats not really the movies fault.

Besides advertising i don't get your reasoning behind why you thought it would be a horror movie. Up to that point the only real horror movie Shyamalan had done was The Sixth Sense. You cited Unbreakable but thats more of an action movie/drama then it is a horror movie and after that he made Signs which is more sci-fi/drama. I get the advertising made it look like a horror, much like it did for Lady in The Water but his name being attached shouldnt make you automatically think its a horror movie since like i said two other movies (One which you said you are a huge fan of) were not in fact horror movies.

Anyway you have every reason not to like it and like i said you're the first person to give me reasons i can understand, i've just always loved that movie and thought the twists were really well done. I will agree though that it would have been a lot better had the advertising not made it look like a horror movie.

neverending
07-14-2013, 12:08 PM
I thought The Village was okay- not great, not terrible- and I didn't mind the twist. I just didn't think it lived up to M. Night's first two films. But, if it's not horror- why are we even debating it?

The Villain
07-14-2013, 12:31 PM
I thought The Village was okay- not great, not terrible- and I didn't mind the twist. I just didn't think it lived up to M. Night's first two films. But, if it's not horror- why are we even debating it?

I'll agree with that statement. Personally i consider it horror but i think people expected it to be scarier then it was. The trailers made it look like it was going to be more of a straight up horror monster story but instead it turned out to be a love story "period piece" that was slightly spooky but borderline drama.

We began debating The Village simply because it came up in conversation from talking about other movies that made the list, not because any person was trying to include it. Honestly i love the movie but even it if had been one of the movies included in the voting (IMDB has it listed as Drama/Mystery/Thriller) i still wouldnt have voted for it as there are many other movies that should be on the list over it

tiberius
07-14-2013, 01:27 PM
I'll back:
The Cabin in the Woods
Diary of the Dead
Frailty
Prometheus
28 Days Later
Thirteen Ghosts

_____V_____
07-14-2013, 10:20 PM
We have our 22 after tiberius's backings, folks.

Please go through the chosen ones and post your objections/opinions, if any. If all/majority are in agreement, we can nail these 22 films for our 00s and move ahead.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=952706#post952706

neverending
07-14-2013, 10:49 PM
I can live with it.

Particularly with the honorable mentions to come.

metternich1815
07-14-2013, 11:49 PM
I think it is a pretty good list. I have no objections.

Giganticface
07-15-2013, 12:32 AM
Pretty good list, albeit somewhat standard. My only criticism is that it's probably not much different from what many mainstream media sources would pick. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, but doesn't bode well for our ability to dig deeper. Credibility suffers a bit by not including a single French film. Neil Marshall is in there twice, which isn't necessary. Overall, however, that's an excellent bunch of movies - many of which I've seen multiple times, and most of which I'll continue to re-watch. There's even one in there I haven't seen (Behind the Mask), so that's now at the top of my watch list.

Kandarian Demon
07-15-2013, 01:28 AM
Credibility suffers a bit by not including a single French film.

I don't see why. Most countries aren't represented in the list at all.

neverending
07-15-2013, 01:33 AM
Because the French contributed several particularly noteworthy films from this era. I share Gigantic's sentiment.

Ils, Irreversable, Martyrs, Frontier(s), High Tension

One of these, at least, should be on the list.

I'd like to see more diversity in general, but this is the way these things always turn out.

_____V_____
07-15-2013, 05:47 AM
Because the French contributed several particularly noteworthy films from this era. I share Gigantic's sentiment.

Ils, Irreversable, Martyrs, Frontier(s), High Tension

One of these, at least, should be on the list.

I'd like to see more diversity in general, but this is the way these things always turn out.

ANNOUNCEMENT

...I am stretching this project to 200 of the finest films of our genre, stretching over NINE periods (and THREE eras) of horror movies.

This will be followed by 55 Honorable Nominations, hopefully with equal representation from all periods mentioned above.

So, if you can do the math, you might have an idea of the "delightful twist" I mentioned to Giganticface yesterday...

There is still hope yet. ;)

So, folks, now that the 00s is settled after a fierce debate/discussion, we now move into the SECOND PHASE of our project, as I had outlined in the Announcement I had made a few pages ago. If some of you are good at math, you might have an idea of what I am talking about, in the quoted Announcement above.

Here we go...

_____V_____
07-15-2013, 06:08 AM
THE SECOND PHASE

1897 to 1929 = 20 films,
1930 to 1939 = 20 films,
1940 to 1949 = 20 films,
1950 to 1959 = 20 films,
1960 to 1969 = 20 films,
1970 to 1979 = 20 films,
1980 to 1989 = 20 films,
1990 to 1999 = 20 films,
2000 to 2012 = 22 films

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TOTAL = 182 films shortlisted

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But we had sat down to hammer out 200 films, you say? As per my announcement?

Yes, we will go through the eras AGAIN, and through the 9 periods of horror, we will finalise TWO more films from each period. That will bring us 18 more, and THAT's how we zero in on our 200.

Nice little surprise, isn't it?

This way we can give some underrated, overlooked films a second chance, and maybe we will find some other very worthy ones to further solidify our project.

Plus, it gives all the late joiners of the project a peek into all the selections made by the earlier members as well.

Remember, the selected 20/22 from each period is NOT up for debate here. We are going to select TWO films from the remaining choices.

I will elaborate on selecting the Honorable Mentions in subsequent posts.

So, sharpen your debating pencils again. Here comes the first period of horror...

_____V_____
07-15-2013, 06:17 AM
The 1890s to the 1920s


IN THE CUT

Nosferatu (1922) - 9
The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920) - 9
The Fall of the House of Usher (1928) - 9

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1920) - 8
Faust (1926) - 8
Frankenstein (1910) - 8
The Phantom of the Opera (1925) - 8

The Cat and the Canary (1927) - 7
The Golem (1920) - 7
The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1923) - 7

Haxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages (1922) - 6
London After Midnight (1927) - 6

The Bat (1926) - 5
The Man Who Laughs (1928) - 5
The Phantom Carriage (1921) - 5
Un Chien Andalou (1929, Short) - 5
West Of Zanzibar (1928) - 5

Le Manoir du Diable (1896) - 3 (backed by fortunato, seconded by Fearonsarms)
The Hands of Orlac (1924) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by Kandarian Demon, The Villain)
The Lodger (1927) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by metternich1815, Straker)

A Page of Madness (1926) - 2 (backed by fortunato, seconded by neverending)
Dante's Inferno (1911) - 2 (backed by Fearonsarms, seconded by fortunato)


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DEBATABLE

The Monkey's Paw (1923) - 4
Waxworks (1924) - 4 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by Straker, Sculpt)

Bluebeard (1901, Short) - 3
The Golem (1915) - 3 (backed by Kandarian Demon, seconded by The Villain)
The Hound of the Baskervilles (1922) - 3
The Lost World (1925) - 3 (backed by Sculpt)


MINORITY

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1920, Sheldon Lewis) - 2 (backed by Sculpt)
The 400 Tricks of the Devil (1906, Short) - 2 (backed by Straker)
The Monster (1925) - 2
The Penalty (1920) - 2
The Student of Prague (1913) - 2 (backed by Straker)
The Terror (1928) - 2
The Unknown (1927) - 2
The Wizard (1927) - 2


SINGLE VOTES TO

A Blind bargain (1922)
Der Januskopf (1920)
Destiny (1921)
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1912, Short)
Eerie Tales (1919)
House of Horror (1929)
Salome (1923)
The Dark Mirror (1920)
The Haunted Castle (1921)
The Headless Horseman (1922)
The Man Who Cheated Life (1926)
The Sealed Room (1909)
The Unholy Night (1929)
Wolf Blood (1925)


The initial backings stay. Remember, we are here to select TWO films from the remaining ones in the DEBATABLE section. The "In The Cut" section is NOT for debate.

Once that is done, we can proceed to select SIX films from the rest to figure in our Honorable Mentions.

OR, if everyone is in joint agreement, we can toss in the two films which scored FOUR votes each in the initial tally into the finalised list, and add the SIX films with THREE votes each into the Honorable Mentions list. Or we can go the old-fashioned way and debate till we get our films.

Either way, let's hear your thoughts.

Giganticface
07-15-2013, 07:29 AM
Because the French contributed several particularly noteworthy films from this era. I share Gigantic's sentiment.

Ils, Irreversable, Martyrs, Frontier(s), High Tension

One of these, at least, should be on the list.


Yep. I would also definitely include Inside in that top echelon list. As a movement, there are a lot of other great films, but perhaps not top 22: Sheitan, Calvaire, Trouble Every Day, In My Skin, Maléfique...from the 90s, I Stand Alone. And as always a few that can be skipped- Baise Moi, Vertige.

At the risk of oversimplifying things, I believe there are two films that brought horror back en vogue: The Blair Witch Project, which kicked off a slew of found footage films and franchises, and The Ring (really the American version) which kicked off J-Horror and made it a worldwide fad. Guillermo del Toro and the Splat Pack (Marshall, Aja, Wan, Zombie, Roth, couple others) have kept it alive. That, and the popularity of The Walking Dead, feeding the zombie fad. Del Toro was already making great movies, but I believe he benefited from J-horror, which made atmospheric supernatural stories popular. The Splat Pack, on the other hand, have secretly found inspiration from the New French Extremists, whose subject matter spans the gamut, and have consistently brought new ideas to old concepts, such as slasher, psychological, home invasion, vampire, thriller, ghost (although, spoiler alert, that ghost might be psychological), and exploitation.

IMHO, it's understandable that none of these films made a particular horror list, but unacceptable that they didn't on a horror forum. Oh well, it all boils down to taste, and it's not the taste of the majority on this forum, which is totally cool. But if we're trying to represent history in our "100 Years of Horror", it's simply not representative.

neverending
07-15-2013, 08:57 AM
The Hands of Orlac
The Lodger (early Hitchcock)

metternich1815
07-15-2013, 08:57 AM
I will back: Waxworks (1924) and The Lodger

Kandarian Demon
07-15-2013, 09:29 AM
CORRECTED because I backed movies that were already in the cut!

Instead I will back:

The Golem
The Hands of Orlac

realdealblues
07-15-2013, 09:51 AM
I will back:

Nosferatu
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1920)

I seriously don't get why Nosferatu didn't make it in the first place... It's a fantastic movie, and with all the concern about horror history that we've seen in this thread, that of all movies should be in in the final list!

Both of those are already in...the are in Bold.

Giganticface
07-15-2013, 10:27 AM
I'm really excited to see the Honorable Mentions debates, and the results. Like the I did the first time around, I may not contribute until we get to the 60s or 70s. I've been following this thread since V resurrected it, but prior to the 60s, I've probably only seen 5 to 10 films from each decade or era. Those films may be some of the best and worthy of a vote, but I don't believe it qualifies me to provide very valuable input. I don't mean that to be a discouragement to others... It's just the way I am.

I've already added quite a few films to my watchlist as a result of this thread, and learned a lot about how the genre transformed and progressed over time. I'll continue to follow closely, so don't mistake my potential silence with disinterest. :) I will certainly contribute when I feel it's appropriate. And who knows, maybe I'll throw in a tiebreaker if it makes sense.

Kandarian Demon
07-15-2013, 10:32 AM
Both of those are already in...the are in Bold.

Well, that explains it, then :p Woops! I'll go back and correct my other post.

_____V_____
07-15-2013, 11:21 AM
Added to the compiling post.

Looks like The Hands of Orlac and The Lodger might move into the finalised stock, but I'll keep things open for a bit more. Plus, we need to find 6 Honorable Mentions as well.

Keep going, folks.

Sculpt
07-15-2013, 12:25 PM
I'm seriously baffled by the neg votes for both Bubba Ho Tep but more specifically the negativity towards Shadow of the Vampire....

It's frankly laughable to hear people talk about original concepts and ideas and then neg rep one of the most original screenplays you could ever come across. It's one thing to not vote for it or even not rate it as a movie, but to neg rep it while talking about the originality of other movies in the same breath is laughable. I'd like to ask anyone on this forum to point me in the direction of a more creative and original vampire story than Shadow of the Vampire.
Excellent question! Glad you asked. Let me explain my side of it. I love original concepts and ideas, it's a big plus, but it's not everything. I loved the concept for Shadow of the Vampire, plus I'm an aficionado of Malkovich, and ran out and saw it. After seeing it, I still give it a plus for concept, but I didn't like a lot of other things about it, and overall, didn't find it a good movie.

Buba was a similar story (giving it a plus for original concept). One of my best friends showed it to me. He's a big fan of the movie. I enjoyed watching it with him. But to be honest, I didn't think much of it. He'd punch me if he knew I neg'd it. But it's my honest opinion.

There's films that have high praise by critics and fans, and even the mighty AFI. I agree with the mast majority of highly praised films, but sometimes I decidedly don't. I'm not a sheep in these matters. I know the components of a good film, have a media degree, but still much of art is subjective.

Straker
07-15-2013, 12:32 PM
I think The Student of Prague would make a great inclusion into the honourable mention section, such a great story and so much talent on display both in front of and behind the camera... Happy to back either the original or later remake, so if people are familiar with either and enjoy, then get behind it!

I still also believe Melies' 400 Tricks of the Devil deserves consideration, its such a visual treat and too much fun not to have at least a shot at the honourable mention list. Creativity and flare from the father of sfx....

Also happy to back The Lodger if its needed...

Sculpt
07-15-2013, 12:32 PM
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The Villain
07-15-2013, 12:34 PM
Golem and Hands of Orloc

neverending
07-15-2013, 12:34 PM
I think The Student of Prague would make a great inclusion into the honourable mention section, such a great story and so much talent on display both in front of and behind the camera... Happy to back either the original or later remake, so if people are familiar with either and enjoy, then get behind it!

I still also believe Melies' 400 Tricks of the Devil deserves consideration, its such a visual treat and too much fun not to have at least a shot at the honourable mention list. Creativity and flare from the father of sfx....

Also happy to back The Lodger if its needed...

So, which two films do you think should be added to the "in the cut" section?

And if I read V's post correctly, once we have finalised the two that make the cut, we can move on to the honorable mentions...

Giganticface
07-15-2013, 12:52 PM
Does anyone think The Devil's Backbone is deserving to be in the top 22? Or perhaps better than any of the above? I heard it's one of the best ever, so I don't want to see it forgotten on accident. (Unfortunately I haven't seen it).

It's definitely deserving of the top 22, but my thoughts are (mentioned earlier), since Pan's Labyrinth sailed in, del Toro is already represented, and personally I'd prefer to make room for a wider variety. Whether or not it's better than any of the currently-included 22 is up for debate, but I would argue, unequivocally, yes, at least one. ;)

Straker
07-15-2013, 01:06 PM
So, which two films do you think should be added to the "in the cut" section?

And if I read V's post correctly, once we have finalised the two that make the cut, we can move on to the honorable mentions...

I don't know, I didn't really get exactly what was going on with the process at this point, so I kinda just threw out a few opinions and hoped the details sorted themselves out. :o

I guess I was working on the assumption that The Lodger and Hands of Orlac were already in the cut, so was really just pushing the movies I mentioned forward as candidates for the honourable mentions section.

neverending
07-15-2013, 01:11 PM
I don't know, I didn't really get exactly what was going on with the process at this point, so I kinda just threw out a few opinions and hoped the details sorted themselves out. :o
.

The initial backings stay. Remember, we are here to select TWO films from the remaining ones in the DEBATABLE section. The "In The Cut" section is NOT for debate.

Once that is done, we can proceed to select SIX films from the rest to figure in our Honorable Mentions.


..............................................

Straker
07-15-2013, 01:31 PM
From the debatable section I'll just second the votes for The Lodger... I can't split Waxworks and Hands of Orlac for my second 'in the cut' vote.

Sculpt
07-16-2013, 08:37 AM
I just saw Devil's Backbone last night with a buddy. We both agreed, it was beautifully shot, fine score and acting, but the story was bland, slow, relatively uneventful and unconsequential and not very scary. I wouldn't consider one of the best.

ChronoGrl
07-16-2013, 09:32 AM
This was an excellent recommendation, ChronoGrl, thanks! Good concept, excellent characters, strong writing, good tension, and (gulp) romance? The handoff between directors for the three parts gave it variety in tone without being too jarring, or feeling like an anthology. I loved the indie feel. Some of the violent scenes were pretty hairy. An enjoyable film all around. I'm sure I'll watch it again. And if I had seen it prior to doing my rankings, who knows, it might have made the top 22. Probably a lock for at least the top 44. Thanks again.

So glad you liked it! I think I'm going to have to rewatch it now. It's been a while. :D

My god, once again, some of the films only getting one vote- Ils, Frontier(s), Hard Candy, Home Movie (well, I suppose not many have seen it), Mum & Dad, One Missed Call...

That's weird... I thought that I had voted for Home Movie - Oh well...

neverending
07-16-2013, 11:57 AM
So glad you liked it! I think I'm going to have to rewatch it now. It's been a while. :D



That's weird... I thought that I had voted for Home Movie - Oh well...

Maybe you're the only one who did. I can't remember if I did or not. :p

Sculpt
07-16-2013, 04:32 PM
Backing for 1920's 22: The Lost World

I very highly endorse/back The Lost World for one of the two added inclusions in the 22 for 1890-1920 Best. What a miles stone that film was.

I think it deserves more than an honorable mention, especially for anyone who also has an interest in having a more complete/inclusive 1920 list. The Lost World is a huge land mark film, I think it's a glaring omission from our current list. Hands of Orlac and the Lodger are good, but are basically of the same to the current 20.


For Honorable Mention: Jekyll and Hyde (Sheldon) and Waxworks

_____V_____
07-19-2013, 03:06 AM
So this is how the final 22 for the first period looks like:-


The 1890s to the 1920s


IN THE CUT

Nosferatu (1922) - 9
The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920) - 9
The Fall of the House of Usher (1928) - 9

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1920) - 8
Faust (1926) - 8
Frankenstein (1910) - 8
The Phantom of the Opera (1925) - 8

The Cat and the Canary (1927) - 7
The Golem (1920) - 7
The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1923) - 7

Haxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages (1922) - 6
London After Midnight (1927) - 6

The Bat (1926) - 5
The Man Who Laughs (1928) - 5
The Phantom Carriage (1921) - 5
Un Chien Andalou (1929, Short) - 5
West Of Zanzibar (1928) - 5

Le Manoir du Diable (1896) - 3
The Hands of Orlac (1924) - 3 (voted in by majority)
The Lodger (1927) - 3 (voted in by majority)

A Page of Madness (1926) - 2
Dante's Inferno (1911) - 2


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HONORABLE MENTIONS

Waxworks (1924) - 4 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by Straker, Sculpt)
The Golem (1915) - 3 (backed by Kandarian Demon, seconded by The Villain)
The Lost World (1925) - 3 (backed by Sculpt)
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1920, Sheldon Lewis) - 2 (backed by Sculpt)
The 400 Tricks of the Devil (1906, Short) - 2 (backed by Straker)
The Student of Prague (1913) - 2 (backed by Straker)


DEBATABLE

The Monkey's Paw (1923) - 4

Bluebeard (1901, Short) - 3
The Hound of the Baskervilles (1922) - 3


MINORITY

The Monster (1925) - 2
The Penalty (1920) - 2
The Terror (1928) - 2
The Unknown (1927) - 2
The Wizard (1927) - 2


SINGLE VOTES TO

A Blind bargain (1922)
Der Januskopf (1920)
Destiny (1921)
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1912, Short)
Eerie Tales (1919)
House of Horror (1929)
Salome (1923)
The Dark Mirror (1920)
The Haunted Castle (1921)
The Headless Horseman (1922)
The Man Who Cheated Life (1926)
The Sealed Room (1909)
The Unholy Night (1929)
Wolf Blood (1925)


If nobody has any objection, I move to include the SIX underlined films (with strong backing and support) as the line-up for our Honorable Mentions of this period. This will wind up the proceedings for this first period of horror and we can move into the 30s.

All in agreement?

neverending
07-19-2013, 03:42 AM
Yes......................

realdealblues
07-19-2013, 05:09 AM
Agreed................

Kandarian Demon
07-19-2013, 06:20 AM
Yes :) .......

The Villain
07-19-2013, 06:41 AM
Sounds good to me

Straker
07-19-2013, 06:53 AM
http://www.adweek.com/files/adfreak/6a00d8341c51c053ef014e5f644ac0970c-450wi

metternich1815
07-19-2013, 07:55 AM
I have no objections.

_____V_____
07-19-2013, 07:58 AM
Okay, it's pretty much unanimous so the first period of horror is done and sealed.

Let's move into the 30s now...

_____V_____
07-19-2013, 08:17 AM
The 30s - 1930 to 1939


IN THE CUT

Dracula (1931) - 9
Frankenstein (1931) - 9
Freaks (1932) - 9
The Bride of Frankenstein (1935) - 9
Vampyr (1932) - 9

King Kong (1933) - 8
The Black Cat (1934) - 8
The Invisible Man (1933) - 8

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1931) - 7
M (1931) - 7
Mad Love (1935) - 7
The Mummy (1932) - 7

The Raven (1935) - 6

Island of Lost Souls (1932) - 5
Maniac (1934) - 5
White Zombie (1932) - 5

Son of Frankenstein (1939) - 4
The Old Dark House (1932) - 4
The Testament of Dr. Mabuse (1933) - 4

Murders in the Rue Morgue (1932) - 3 (backed by Fearonsarms, seconded by hammerfan, realdealblues, Sculpt)

The Invisible Ray (1936) - 2
The Ghoul (1933) - 2 (backed by neverending, seconded by [i]Fearonsarms, The Villain, Straker)[IN]

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DEBATABLE

Dracula (1931) Spanish - 4 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by realdealblues) (-1)
Dracula's Daughter (1936) - 4 (backed by realdealblues)

Bucket of Blood (1932) - 3 (backed by Despare)
The Devil-Doll (1936) - 3 (backed by Fearonsarms, seconded by The Villain)
Werewolf of London (1935) - 3 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by neverending, The Villain, Sculpt)


MINORITY

Mark of the Vampire (1935) - 2 (backed by Straker, seconded by neverending)
Mystery of the Wax Museum (1933) - 2 (backed by Kandarian Demon, seconded by realdealblues)
The Golem (1936) - 2 (backed by hammerfan, seconded by Kandarian Demon, realdealblues)


SINGLE VOTES TO

A Shot in the Dark (1935)
Black Moon (1934)
Doctor X (1932)
I Accuse (1938)
Night of Terror (1933)
Revolt of the Zombies (1936) (-1)
The Bells (1931)
The Black Room (1935) (backed by Fearonsarms)
The Cat and the Canary (1939)
The Demon Barber Of Fleet Street (1936)
The Devil's Daughter (1939)
The Hound of the Baskervilles (1939) Rathbone/Bruce (backed by Sculpt, seconded by Kandarian Demon)
The Human Monster (1939)
The Man They Could Not Hang (1939)
The Man Who Lived Again (1936)
The Monkey's Paw (1933)
The Thirteenth Guest (1932)
The Vampire Bat (1933) (backed by The Villain)
The Walking Dead (1936)
Witches Night (1937)


The initial backings stay.

Remember, we are here to select TWO films from the remaining ones in the DEBATABLE section & below. The "In The Cut" section is NOT for debate.

Once that is done, we can proceed to select SIX films from the rest to figure in our Honorable Mentions.

OR, if everyone is in joint agreement, we can toss in the two films which scored FOUR votes each at the top of the DEBATABLE section, and add ONE more film to the FIVE films with backings/seconds into the Honorable Mentions list.

Or we can go the old-fashioned way and debate till we get our films.

Either way, let's hear 'em, guys.

hammerfan
07-19-2013, 08:25 AM
Murders in the Rue Morgue
The Golem

metternich1815
07-19-2013, 08:58 AM
Dracula (1931) Spanish
Werewolf of London

Kandarian Demon
07-19-2013, 09:03 AM
I will back:

Mystery of the Wax Museum
The Golem

realdealblues
07-19-2013, 09:21 AM
Murders in the Rue Morgue
The Golem

These are my backing's as well.

neverending
07-19-2013, 10:33 AM
The Werewolf of London (first werewolf film of note)
The Ghoul (Karloff, Cedric Hardwicke, Ernest Thresiger, Ralph Richardson)

_____V_____
07-19-2013, 11:54 AM
We have our chosen TWO for the 30s, which will join the other 20 under the limelight.

Now it's time to finalise the SIX Honorable Mentions. We have SEVEN films in the list which have got backings/seconds. Please go through them and post which ones you would like to include.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=953005&postcount=676

The Villain
07-19-2013, 11:54 AM
For honorable mentions I'll say The Ghoul, Werewolf of London, and The Devil Doll

_____V_____
07-19-2013, 12:01 PM
Okay, we are back to open debate, since Villain's votes brings the selected TWO back into the fray.

Still need to finalise TWO for the top, out of the FOUR which are now in contention (highlighted in bold/underline).

metternich1815
07-19-2013, 01:25 PM
To be honest, I still need to see more films from this period, but I will argue for Werewolf of London. As Neverending stated, it is the basically the first werewolf film (or as he stated "one of note").

Straker
07-19-2013, 03:08 PM
Mark of the Vampire
The Ghoul

_____V_____
07-20-2013, 05:34 AM
Well, The Villain edited his original post but his backings have stayed for almost 24 hours so they stay. Subsequent post by Straker seals it for The Ghoul.

We still need to select ONE more from the THREE films highlighted in bold/underline.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=953005&postcount=676

Sculpt
07-21-2013, 07:29 PM
Well, The Villain edited his original post but his backings have stayed for almost 24 hours so they stay. Subsequent post by Straker seals it for The Ghoul.

We still need to select ONE more from the THREE films highlighted in bold/underline.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=953005&postcount=676
You mean, we need to choose from the 3 highlighted films for the second of two films to be in the top 22 films, right?

I back Murder in the Rue Morgue 32 for that.


We still backing for the 6 Honorable Mentions? I back:
Murders in the Rue Morgue (1932)
Werewolf of London (1935)
The Hound of the Baskervilles (1939) Rathbone/Bruce

_____V_____
07-22-2013, 05:36 AM
We now have our chosen 22 for the 1930s.

Also, for the 6 Honorable Mentions, 3 films have pretty much sealed their spots - Werewolf of London, The Golem, and The Devil Doll. (unless someone posts against them)

Out of the remaining films, some have single backings behind them. Can we have some in support/seconding them so that we can find 3 more Honorable Mentions?

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=953005#post953005

Kandarian Demon
07-22-2013, 08:13 AM
I will back The Hound of the Baskervilles.

I've only watched one of the other movies that got single votes, and I'm NOT backing the terrible "Revolt of the Zombies" :D

The Villain
07-22-2013, 08:32 AM
I'll back The Vampire Bat

realdealblues
07-22-2013, 09:22 AM
For Honorable Mentions I will back:

Dracula (1931) Spanish
Dracula's Daughter (1936)
Mystery of the Wax Museum (1933)

Straker
07-22-2013, 10:24 AM
Just want to reiterate my backing of Mark of the Vampire for an honourable mention.... Carol Borland's performance alone makes this a worthy inclusion, basically sets the template for seductive female vampires of the future. I know the ending gets a ton of criticism, but when put in context with the rest of the film, we can essentially look at this movie as a great early example of genre parody.

It really is a perfect movie for the honourable mentions section, has its flaws, but brings enough individuality to the table that it would be sad to see it over looked...

neverending
07-22-2013, 10:37 AM
Mark of the Vampire.

_____V_____
07-22-2013, 10:59 AM
SEVEN films in the cut for Honorable Mentions now, and only TWO of them have majority - Werewolf of London and The Golem.

Do I hear any negative votes to cut out ONE film from the remaining FIVE in contention (underlined)?

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=953005&postcount=676

_____V_____
07-25-2013, 07:20 AM
* bump *

The Villain
07-25-2013, 10:19 AM
Just to get things moving, I'll give a negative vote to Dracula (spanish)

_____V_____
07-25-2013, 10:47 AM
Villain's negative vote for the spanish version of Dracula leaves us with SIX films for our Honorable Mentions.

If everyone else is in favor, we can finalise these and move on to the 40s.

All in agreement?

hammerfan
07-25-2013, 11:19 AM
Aye

...........................

neverending
07-25-2013, 02:04 PM
yes.............

Kandarian Demon
07-25-2013, 02:21 PM
yes :cool::cool::cool::cool:

Sculpt
07-25-2013, 07:01 PM
I don't have a problem with it. I couldn't help, because I didn't see those films.

_____V_____
07-26-2013, 11:39 AM
What about the others?

realdealblues
07-26-2013, 11:42 AM
Fine with me...on to the 40's.

Straker
07-26-2013, 02:53 PM
Bring on the '40's! :cool:

Sculpt
07-26-2013, 03:34 PM
Yes, hurt us so good with the 40's! Darn, since it already made the it into the top 20 of the 1940's, I won't be able to vote for "The Beast with Five Fingers on One Hand!". = P

metternich1815
07-26-2013, 09:48 PM
It is fine with me.

_____V_____
07-27-2013, 05:19 AM
The majority are in favor so let's wrap up the 30s here.

This is the final 22 for the second period (+6 Honorable Mentions):-


1931 to 1939


IN THE CUT

Dracula (1931) - 9
Frankenstein (1931) - 9
Freaks (1932) - 9
The Bride of Frankenstein (1935) - 9
Vampyr (1932) - 9

King Kong (1933) - 8
The Black Cat (1934) - 8
The Invisible Man (1933) - 8

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1931) - 7
M (1931) - 7
Mad Love (1935) - 7
The Mummy (1932) - 7

The Raven (1935) - 6

Island of Lost Souls (1932) - 5
Maniac (1934) - 5
White Zombie (1932) - 5

Son of Frankenstein (1939) - 4
The Old Dark House (1932) - 4
The Testament of Dr. Mabuse (1933) - 4

Murders in the Rue Morgue (1932) - 3 (backed by Fearonsarms, seconded by hammerfan, realdealblues, Sculpt)

The Invisible Ray (1936) - 2
The Ghoul (1933) - 2 (backed by neverending, seconded by [i]Fearonsarms, The Villain, Straker)[IN]

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HONORABLE MENTIONS

The Devil-Doll (1936) - 3 (backed by Fearonsarms, seconded by The Villain)
Werewolf of London (1935) - 3 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by neverending, The Villain, Sculpt)
Mark of the Vampire (1935) - 2 (backed by Straker, seconded by neverending)
Mystery of the Wax Museum (1933) - 2 (backed by Kandarian Demon, seconded by realdealblues)
The Golem (1936) - 2 (backed by hammerfan, seconded by Kandarian Demon, realdealblues)
The Hound of the Baskervilles (1939) Rathbone/Bruce (backed by Sculpt, seconded by Kandarian Demon)


DEBATABLE

Dracula (1931) Spanish - 4 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by realdealblues) (-1)
Dracula's Daughter (1936) - 4 (backed by realdealblues)

Bucket of Blood (1932) - 3 (backed by Despare)


MINORITY


SINGLE VOTES TO

A Shot in the Dark (1935)
Black Moon (1934)
Doctor X (1932)
I Accuse (1938)
Night of Terror (1933)
Revolt of the Zombies (1936) (-1)
The Bells (1931)
The Black Room (1935) (backed by Fearonsarms)
The Cat and the Canary (1939)
The Demon Barber Of Fleet Street (1936)
The Devil's Daughter (1939)
The Human Monster (1939)
The Man They Could Not Hang (1939)
The Man Who Lived Again (1936)
The Monkey's Paw (1933)
The Thirteenth Guest (1932)
The Vampire Bat (1933) (backed by The Villain)
The Walking Dead (1936)
Witches Night (1937)


Onward, into the 40s now...

_____V_____
07-27-2013, 05:36 AM
The 40s - 1940 to 1949


IN THE CUT

Cat People (1942) - 9
The Body Snatcher (1945) - 9

I Walked with a Zombie (1943) - 7
The Wolf Man (1941) - 7

Isle of the Dead (1945) - 6

Bud Abbott Lou Costello Meet Frankenstein (1948) - 5
Dead of Night (1945) - 5
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1941) - 5
House of Frankenstein (1944) - 5
Son of Dracula (1943) - 5
The Spiral Staircase (1945) - 5
The Uninvited (1944) - 5

Bedlam (1946) - 4
Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man (1943) - 4
Phantom of the Opera (1943) - 4
The Beast with Five Fingers (1946) - 4
The Devil Commands (1941) - 4
The Leopard Man (1943) - 4

The Ghost of Frankenstein (1942) - 3
The Lodger (1944) - 3
The Picture of Dorian Gray (1945) - 3 (backed by Straker, seconded by The Villain, Kandarian Demon, Sculpt)

The Legend of Sleepy Hollow (1949 Animated Short) - 2 (backed by [i]Despare, seconded by fortunato, Sculpt) [IN]

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DEBATABLE

Before I Hang (1940) - 3 (backed by roshiq)
The Black Cat (1941) - 3 (backed by hammerfan) (-1)
The Corpse Vanishes (1942) - 3
The Fall of the House of Usher (1949) - 3 (backed by hammerfan, seconded by The Villain)
The Seventh Victim (1943) - 3
The Tell-Tale Heart (1941 Short) - 3 (backed by hammerfan)


MINORITY

And Then There Were None (1945) - 2 (-2)
Black Friday (1940) - 2
Daughter of Darkness (1948) - 2
Dr. Cyclops (1940) - 2
Dragonwyck (1946) - 2 (backed by Kandarian Demon)
House of Dracula (1945) - 2
Man Made Monster (1941) - 2
Night Monster (1942) - 2
Rebecca (1940) - 2 (-2)
She-Wolf of London (1946) - 2
The Invisible Man Returns (1940) - 2 (backed by realdealblues, seconded by Sculpt)
The Monkey's Paw (1948) - 2
The Mummy's Curse (1944) - 2
The Mummy's Hand (1940) - 2 (backed by realdealblues)


SINGLE VOTES TO

A Light in the Window (1942)
Black Magic (1944)
Bluebeard (1944)
Devil Bat's Daughter (1946)
Dr. Renault's Secret (1942)
Dr. Terror's House of Horrors (1943)
Hangover Square (1945)
I Married a Witch (1942)
King Of The Zombies (1941) (-1)
Son Of Ingagi (1940)
Spooks Run Wild (1941)
The Brute Man (1946)
The Devil Bat (1940)
The Ghost and Mrs. Muir (1947) (-2)
The Ghost Breakers (1940)
The Ghost Ship (1943)
The Invisible Man's Revenge (1944)
The Jade Mask (1945)
The Mad Ghoul (1943)
The Mummy's Ghost (1944)
The Mummy's Tomb (1942)
The Portrait (1948)
The Red House (1947)
Valley of the Zombies (1946) (-1)
Woman Who Came Back (1945)
Yotsuya kaidan (1949)


The initial backings/negations stay.

Remember, we are here to select TWO films from the remaining ones from the DEBATABLE section onwards.
The "In The Cut" section is NOT for debate.

Once that is done, we can proceed to select SIX films from the rest for our Honorable Mentions.

OR, if everyone is in joint agreement, we can select TWO films from the DEBATABLE section (with 3 votes each), and proceed to finalise the rest of the 3-voters into our Honorable Mentions. which are FIVE in number.

The 6th film can be the animated short which has 2 votes AND 2 backings behind it.

OR we can go the old-fashioned way and debate till we get our chosen films.

Either way, let's hear your say, folks.

The Villain
07-27-2013, 05:55 AM
I'll back:

The Fall of the House of Usher
The Picture of Dorian Gray

Kandarian Demon
07-27-2013, 07:32 AM
I will back:

The Picture of Dorian Gray
Dragonwyck

Straker
07-27-2013, 07:49 AM
The Black Cat
The Picture of Dorian Gray

_____V_____
07-27-2013, 08:46 AM
We have our 21st film for the 40s.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=953511&postcount=709

Need to find ONE more, then we can move to select the Honorable Mentions.

neverending
07-27-2013, 09:21 AM
Straker- you know The Black Cat is not the Karloff/Lugosi masterpiece- it's a lame comedy mystery.

Sculpt
07-27-2013, 02:16 PM
For the 2 films to included in the 22, I back:

The Picture of Dorian Gray (1945)
The Invisible Man Returns (1940)

Unless we're allowed to choose from any of the list, in which I would switch out Invisible Man Returns with The Legend of Sleepy Hollow (1949 Animated Short), which although is 34 mins, I think is undoubtedly worthy of the the top 22.

Straker
07-27-2013, 03:49 PM
Straker- you know The Black Cat is not the Karloff/Lugosi masterpiece- it's a lame comedy mystery.

LOL- Too many movies and too many dates... Dates are really not my strong point. :o

@ V- I'd like to retract my support for The Black Cat, since I've never seen it.

Thanks for the heads up NE. :D

_____V_____
07-28-2013, 07:02 AM
We now have our 2nd chosen one from the 40s as well.

That leaves us with SEVEN films which have been backed, and can be shortlisted for Honorable Mentions. Do I see any negative votes for any one of them?

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=953511#post953511

metternich1815
07-28-2013, 07:05 AM
I'll negative vote The Black Cat (1941).

_____V_____
07-28-2013, 11:18 AM
Done.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=953511#post953511

Anyone else with a different opinion for the 6 Honorable Mentions?

neverending
07-28-2013, 01:47 PM
Those six look good to me.

The Villain
07-28-2013, 01:52 PM
Works for me. Bring on the '50's, my favorite decade of horror

Straker
07-28-2013, 02:33 PM
Bring on the '50s!

Kandarian Demon
07-28-2013, 02:40 PM
Bring on the '50s!

I agree :cool:

Sculpt
07-28-2013, 08:14 PM
http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

_____V_____
07-28-2013, 08:23 PM
Okay, this is the final tally for the 40s. The Honorable Mentions are underlined.


IN THE CUT

Cat People (1942) - 9
The Body Snatcher (1945) - 9

I Walked with a Zombie (1943) - 7
The Wolf Man (1941) - 7

Isle of the Dead (1945) - 6

Bud Abbott Lou Costello Meet Frankenstein (1948) - 5
Dead of Night (1945) - 5
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1941) - 5
House of Frankenstein (1944) - 5
Son of Dracula (1943) - 5
The Spiral Staircase (1945) - 5
The Uninvited (1944) - 5

Bedlam (1946) - 4
Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man (1943) - 4
Phantom of the Opera (1943) - 4
The Beast with Five Fingers (1946) - 4
The Devil Commands (1941) - 4
The Leopard Man (1943) - 4

The Ghost of Frankenstein (1942) - 3
The Lodger (1944) - 3
The Picture of Dorian Gray (1945) - 3 (backed by Straker, seconded by The Villain, Kandarian Demon, Sculpt)

The Legend of Sleepy Hollow (1949 Animated Short) - 2 (backed by [i]Despare, seconded by fortunato, Sculpt) [IN]

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HONORABLE MENTIONS

Before I Hang (1940) - 3 (backed by roshiq)
The Fall of the House of Usher (1949) - 3 (backed by hammerfan, seconded by The Villain)
The Tell-Tale Heart (1941 Short) - 3 (backed by hammerfan)
Dragonwyck (1946) - 2 (backed by Kandarian Demon)
The Invisible Man Returns (1940) - 2 (backed by realdealblues, seconded by Sculpt)
The Mummy's Hand (1940) - 2 (backed by realdealblues)


DEBATABLE

The Black Cat (1941) - 3 (backed by hammerfan) (-1)
The Corpse Vanishes (1942) - 3
The Seventh Victim (1943) - 3


MINORITY

And Then There Were None (1945) - 2 (-2)
Black Friday (1940) - 2
Daughter of Darkness (1948) - 2
Dr. Cyclops (1940) - 2
House of Dracula (1945) - 2
Man Made Monster (1941) - 2
Night Monster (1942) - 2
Rebecca (1940) - 2 (-2)
She-Wolf of London (1946) - 2
The Monkey's Paw (1948) - 2
The Mummy's Curse (1944) - 2


SINGLE VOTES TO

A Light in the Window (1942)
Black Magic (1944)
Bluebeard (1944)
Devil Bat's Daughter (1946)
Dr. Renault's Secret (1942)
Dr. Terror's House of Horrors (1943)
Hangover Square (1945)
I Married a Witch (1942)
King Of The Zombies (1941) (-1)
Son Of Ingagi (1940)
Spooks Run Wild (1941)
The Brute Man (1946)
The Devil Bat (1940)
The Ghost and Mrs. Muir (1947) (-2)
The Ghost Breakers (1940)
The Ghost Ship (1943)
The Invisible Man's Revenge (1944)
The Jade Mask (1945)
The Mad Ghoul (1943)
The Mummy's Ghost (1944)
The Mummy's Tomb (1942)
The Portrait (1948)
The Red House (1947)
Valley of the Zombies (1946) (-1)
Woman Who Came Back (1945)
Yotsuya kaidan (1949)


Now we move into the 50s...

_____V_____
07-28-2013, 08:31 PM
The 50s - 1950 to 1959


IN THE CUT

Creature from the Black Lagoon (1954) - 10
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) - 10
The Curse of Frankenstein (1957) - 10
The Fly (1958) - 10

Godzilla (1954) - 9

Horror of Dracula (1958) - 8
The Blob (1958) - 8
The Tingler (1959) - 8

Diabolique (1955) - 7
House of Wax (1953) - 7
House on Haunted Hill (1959) - 7
The Mummy (1959) - 7
Them! (1954) - 7

Curse of the Demon (1957) - 6

A Bucket of Blood (1959) - 5

The Revenge of Frankenstein (1958) - 4
The Thing from Another World (1951) - 4
The War of the Worlds (1953) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by Sculpt, Kandarian Demon, metternich1815)

The Bad Seed (1956) - 3
The Incredible Shrinking Man (1957) - 3

The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1956) - 2
The Night of the Hunter (1955) - 2 (backed by [i]neverending, seconded by roshiq, Straker, The Villain)

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DEBATABLE


I Was a Teenage Werewolf (1957) - 4 (backed by [i]neverending, seconded by realdealblues)
Tarantula (1955) - 4 (backed by The Villain, Sculpt) (-1)
The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms (1953) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by realdealblues, Straker, Sculpt, neverending)


Rear Window (1954) - 3
The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) - 3 (backed by Sculpt, seconded by Kandarian Demon, metternich1815)
The Quatermass Xperiment (1955) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by metternich1815, Kandarian Demon)


MINORITY

20 Million Miles to Earth (1957) - 2
Attack of the 50 Foot Woman (1958) - 2
Fiend Without a Face (1958) - 2
Invaders from Mars (1953) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
Plan 9 from Outer Space (1959) - 2
Rodan (1956) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
The Abominable Snowman (1957) - 2 (backed by neverending)
The Amazing Colossal Man (1957) - 2 (backed by The Villain, Sculpt, neverending)
The Bat (1959) - 2
The Crawling Eye (1958) - 2 (backed by The Villain)
The Ghost of Yotsuya (1959) - 2
This Island Earth (1955) - 2
Ugetsu (1953) - 2


SINGLE VOTES TO

Abbott and Costello Meet the Mummy (1955)
Attack of the Crab Monsters (1957)
Blood of Dracula (1957)
Bride of the Monster (1955)
Corridors of Blood (1958)
Dementia (1955)
El Vampiro (1957) (backed by Straker, seconded by neverending)
Frankenstein- 1970 (1958)
Godzilla Raids Again (1955)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! (1956)
I Bury the Living (1958)
I Married A Monster from Outer Space (1958)
It Came from Beneath the Sea (1955) (The Villain)
It Came From Outer Space (1953)
Kronos (1957)
Lust of the Vampire (1956)
Not of This Earth (1957)
Revenge of the Creature (1955)
Teenage Zombies (1959)
The Alligator People (1959)
The Beast with a Million Eyes (1955)
The Black Castle (1952)
The Body Snatcher (1957)
The Creature Walks Among Us (1956)
The Giant Behemoth (1959)
The Giant Claw (1957)
The Killer Shrews (1959) (Sculpt)
The Man From Planet X (1951)
The Monolith Monsters (1957)
The Screaming Skull (1958)
War of the Colossal Beast (1958)
X: The Unknown (1956)


SPECIAL SECTION - REST OF THE GIANT MONSTER FILMS OF THE 50s :-

Attack of the Giant Leeches 1959
Beginning of the End 1957
Behemoth, the Sea Monster 1959
Earth vs. the Spider 1958
Half Human 1955
Monster from Green Hell 1958
Monster from the Ocean Floor 1954
The Black Scorpion 1957
The Deadly Mantis 1957
The Giant Gila Monster 1959
The Monster That Challenged the World 1957
Varan the Unbelievable 1958



The initial backings/negations stay.

Adding a special "Giant Monster" films section at the end for due consideration, since it was demanded by Sculpt and supported by a few other members.

Remember, we are here to select TWO films from the remaining ones from the DEBATABLE section onwards.
The "In The Cut" section is NOT for debate.

Once that is done, we can proceed to select SIX films from the rest for our Honorable Mentions.

OR, if everyone is in joint agreement, we can select TWO films from the 4-votes section with enough backings, and get the Honorable Mentions from the rest which see backings behind them.

OR we can go the old-fashioned way and debate till we get our chosen films.

Either way, let's hear it.

Sculpt
07-28-2013, 09:18 PM
Tough choices, as more than usual, we have to deal with what can be included as a Horror film. I'm in with defining a Horror film with at least one genuine scene of horror, and of course, that's going to be subjective, but also go with some common sense about it.

For 1950's #21 and #22, I back:

Gojira/Godzilla, King of the Monsters - together as one film selection. They are both the same and different films, but both were very good, and had many scenes of suffocating horror in it. Obvious and solid selection to me.

The War of the Worlds (1953) - I found many many scenes, and the whole film, horrifying. It's sci-fi subject matter to the core, but the film was made with a bus load of horror elements. We've just got sneak attacked by intelligent monsters from outerspace that appear to intend to wipe us out completely, and we're getting beaten so bad, it looks like were going to lose. To me, this script/film is us getting wiped out by mass murder. In that way, it plays as sci-fi/horror, like The Thing & Body Snatchers.

I think these two films are much better films than any of the others in the Debate and lower sections, with the exception of two films I don't consider Horror films (mentioned below).


(These aren't 'Negative Votes', just my reasons for not considering these Horror films.)

I've changed my mind on "The Day the Earth Stood Still". I don't see it as a Horror film anymore, as I don't think the film intended to horrify the audience, and I don't think I felt any horror viewing it.

I also don't consider "Rear Window" a Horror film either. I'd say it's suspenseful, not horrifying.

neverending
07-28-2013, 09:37 PM
I agree with Sculpt and give a negative vote to Rear Window. It's a thriller, not a horror film.

I'm also going to break the rules and back Night of the Hunter as one of the 22. Oh, I see- I already backed it. Well, I call upon the rest of you to lend it your backing as well. It's not only a great horror movie, it's a damn good movie, period. Robert Mitchum's preacher is a chilling portrayal, a true monster.

I'd also like to know why Hunchback of Notre Dame is in the cut with two votes, when the movies in the debatable section all have 3 and 4 votes.

Sculpt
07-29-2013, 12:24 AM
I'd also like to know why Hunchback of Notre Dame is in the cut with two votes, when the movies in the debatable section all have 3 and 4 votes.

Here's the original 1950's Top 20 post (http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=948717&postcount=262). Looks like "Hunchback 56" was back in the Minority List with just 2 votes, and then you (never), Villain and I backed it during the Debate round, and it got into the Final 20.

I join Neverending in withdrawing my backing of Hunchback 1956 for the Final 20/22. (not really Horror; not the version I thought it was; great story, not great version) If that's acceptable.

In place of Hunchback 56, I back "Them!", a highly regarded 1950s monster/horror film.

So we'd really be asking everyone for 3 films to make our 22 list.

neverending
07-29-2013, 12:30 AM
I didn't withdraw my support of Hunchback... I just didn't check how it got in the cut. V says the In the Cut section is not up for debate.

The Villain
07-29-2013, 03:35 AM
Here's the original 1950's Top 20 post (http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=948717&postcount=262). Looks like "Hunchback 56" was back in the Minority List with just 2 votes, and then you (never), Villain and I backed it during the Debate round, and it got into the Final 20.

I join Neverending in withdrawing my backing of Hunchback 1956 for the Final 20/22. (not really Horror; not the version I thought it was; great story, not great version) If that's acceptable.

In place of Hunchback 56, I back "Them!", a highly regarded 1950s monster/horror film.

So we'd really be asking everyone for 3 films to make our 22 list.

Them! Is already in. Its been in

realdealblues
07-29-2013, 04:29 AM
I'll back

I Was a Teenage Werewolf (1957) - 4 (backed by neverending)
The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms (1953) - 4 (backed by The Villain)

Kandarian Demon
07-29-2013, 05:20 AM
I will back:

The War of the Worlds
The Day the Earth Stood Still




I've changed my mind on "The Day the Earth Stood Still". I don't see it as a Horror film anymore, as I don't think the film intended to horrify the audience, and I don't think I felt any horror viewing it.


That depends on who you ask. I think it's a lot creepier than some of the sci-fi movies that are usually considered to be horror too.

neverending
07-29-2013, 07:11 AM
Good god, people, NIGHT OF THE HUNTER!

I am so disappointed in all of you in multiple threads today.

How many negative votes are we allowed?

:mad: :confused: :eek:

The Night of the Hunter was rated #34 on AFI's 100 Years... 100 Thrills ranking, and #90 on Bravo's 100 Scariest Movie Moments. In a 2007 listing of the 100 Most Beautiful Films, Cahiers du cinéma ranked The Night of the Hunter No. 2.[7] It is among the top ten in the BFI list of the 50 films you should see by the age of 14. Powell was ranked #29 in the villains column in AFI's 100 Years...100 Heroes and Villains.

It ranked as the 71st greatest film of all time on Empire Magazine's 500 greatest films list.[8]

In 1992, the United States Library of Congress deemed The Night of the Hunter to be "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" and selected the film for preservation in its National Film Registry.


If this masterpiece gets ignored and shlock like I Was a Teenage Werewolf, and straight science fiction like The Day the Earth Stood Still make it in the cut, a real flaw in methodology is revealed. It's just unbelievable!

Straker
07-29-2013, 08:07 AM
Leaving aside the rule issue which I guess V is gonna have to decide on, I'm happy to back Night of the Hunter.

With that said, I also I have to back El Vampiro, I know I've already spoken about it first time round, so I wont go back over it, but I really think its a significant movie and massively over looked. The fact that this came out before the Terence Fisher Hammer Horror masterpiece makes this movie all the more significant.

Also want to get behind a few of the other movies like The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms, just rather see them in the honourable mentions section, or waiting until we get a ruling from V and then I'll switch my votes around if needed. Trying to avoid neg voting movies right now but my finger is on the red button! :p

Finally, I'm assuming The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1956) is safe despite Sculpt's backing withdrawal. If not, then I'll back it to keep it in the final cut. Definitely against any adjustments to the final cut at this point even if we did feel like mistakes were made, but I don't think its inclusion was a mistake anyway. It's a great example of gothic horror and although I didn't originally back it, Anthony Quinns performance was quality and the atmosphere and set design were amazing. While far from my favourite version, its a fine inclusion in the final cut.

neverending
07-29-2013, 08:12 AM
In solidarity with Straker, I back El Vampiro. There must be an uprising!

Straker
07-29-2013, 08:16 AM
I guess I should add that I would be fine with the rule being stretched for Night of the Hunter, but not El Vampiro.... Night of the Hunter had a little more support initially both in votes and backings, so it seems more logical to allow it.

That said, I still say El Vampiro should have been in the cut from day one!!

Straker
07-29-2013, 08:16 AM
In solidarity with Straker, I back El Vampiro. There must be an uprising!

:cool:

...............

The Villain
07-29-2013, 08:45 AM
I've never seen Night of The Hunter but I'll trust Neverendings opinion of it and I will also back it and go and watch it

Kandarian Demon
07-29-2013, 09:17 AM
I've never thought of "Night of the Hunter" as a horror movie to be honest, but again, sometimes it's debatable what makes something a horror movie or not.

Giganticface
07-29-2013, 09:19 AM
Added Night of the Hunter and El Vampiro to my watchlist. Gotta love this thread.

realdealblues
07-29-2013, 09:29 AM
I've seen Night Of The Hunter probably 50 times and there is no doubt it's a great movie but I just don't consider it horror. Thriller Yes, Drama Yes, Film-Noir sure, but Horror...I just don't really think so.

neverending
07-29-2013, 09:40 AM
I couldn't find a picture of the scene where Mitchum evokes the Frankenstein monster, but these will do:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a8Hsc_OCtoM/TsshSyzc_cI/AAAAAAAAF-s/rR3p5BRvrXg/s400/hunter2.jpg

http://www.morethings.com/fan/night_of_the_hunter/night_of_the_hunter-019.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-c6y3wNPP4so/UYLQzWKve2I/AAAAAAAADRM/k81mQuAeE3A/s640/2351082555_010d26b22a.jpg

http://www.morethings.com/fan/night_of_the_hunter/night_of_the_hunter-104.jpg

http://monstergirl.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/night-of-the-hunter.jpg?w=490&h=342

neverending
07-29-2013, 09:54 AM
HDC Top 100 Horror Villains.
http://horror.com/forum/showpost.php?p=870439&postcount=21

Kandarian Demon
07-29-2013, 10:16 AM
Neverending, I honestly love your passion for the movies you love and the horror genre in general, and I love reading your posts, so please don't take this personally :)

But if I remember correctly, you said recently that you didn't consider Alien to be a horror movie (and I actually agree!), but I am sure you can find that on many "best of horror" lists as well.

Anyway my honest opinion is, if we vote/give negative votes/back/withdraw backings based on other people's opinions and not on our own, then we might as well just copy one of the other many many lists of "horror movies that the critics were paid to say that we must like, so we will add them even if we haven't seen them". The list wouldn't actually reflect if the movies on it are any good or not.

What will make this list interesting is seeing the opinions of "real people", and not movie critics who aren't brave enough to have their own individual opinions. Sure, some choices so far have made me think "whaaaat?!", but I am curious to see what a list created by actual horror fans will look like when it's completed.

neverending
07-29-2013, 10:21 AM
I question the veracity of any "horror fan" who doesn't consider this one of the best horror films of the 50s, if not of all time.

Straker
07-29-2013, 10:32 AM
Anyway my honest opinion is, if we vote/give negative votes/back/withdraw backings based on other people's opinions and not on our own, then we might as well just copy one of the other many many lists of "horror movies that the critics were paid to say that we must like, so we will add them even if we haven't seen them". The list wouldn't actually reflect if the movies on it are any good or not.

I don't think its such a bad thing to make a small leap of faith now and then, especially when its coming from the opinion of someone you respect.... I agree with what you are saying in principal, but the truth is when it comes to people backing movies they haven't seen, we are actually talking about a tiny percentage of the final vote (I imagine less than 1%). I think there's actually an irony to what you are saying, because I believe the exact opposite is what happens if people aren't prepared to make the odd leap of faith now and then, or maybe bend a little here and there, why? Well that's simple.... Most people have only seen 'cookie cutter' movie lists and 'classic' movies. I actually think what can elevate the list beyond the typical staple diet of movies everyone has seen or everyone can put in a box is making small leaps of faith here and there.

Maybe I'm just biased because I've had a few people step up and 'blind' back a few movies that I have supported but the truth is they are movies that should be there and that you probably wont find on many horror lists available online because they simply haven't had the exposure of the movies that every single one of us have seen. I don't think the list becomes interesting by having 200 movies that every single person has seen or is aware of, I actually think it becomes interesting when the spotlight gets put on movies that people simply haven't seen.

Most of the movies in the cut so far are no different from every single critics top lists anyway, so real people or critics, it doesn't matter, the vast majority of our list is cookie cutter and can be found on every other horror site. I say embrace the over looked and under valued, even if it means trusting the judgement of others now and then. :cool:

Kandarian Demon
07-29-2013, 11:23 AM
I think there's actually an irony to what you are saying, because I believe the exact opposite is what happens if people aren't prepared to make the odd leap of faith now and then, or maybe bend a little here and there, why? Well that's simple.... Most people have only seen 'cookie cutter' movie lists and 'classic' movies. I actually think what can elevate the list beyond the typical staple diet of movies everyone has seen or everyone can put in a box is making small leaps of faith here and there.

But a vote for a movie you haven't seen means nothing. Except that you like and respect the person who asked you to vote for it. Maybe if you had actually watched the movie, you would have hated it. It's possible you would have loved it, too - but watch it first and then form your OWN opinion. Well, I don't make the rules - but that's my opinion :cool:



I don't think the list becomes interesting by having 200 movies that every single person has seen or is aware of, I actually think it becomes interesting when the spotlight gets put on movies that people simply haven't seen.


I'm definitely not saying that we as a group should all have seen every single movie on the list :) I'm saying that when someone gives their vote/backing for a movie that they personally haven't seen yet, then it's not really worth anything. The movie might make the list, but it doesn't mean it actually deserves to be on it.

But yes, it's DEFINITELY interesting to see some not so well known titles in these threads, and I'm always interested in hearing other people's opinions and checking out movies I haven't seen before. A lot of crap has won awards, and a lot of gems get no attention.

I have been a horror fan all my life, and I respect the opinions of others, but I also respect my own - even if that means that someone thinks I'm an idiot or "not a real horror fan". I don't feel the need to impress anyone - but I do love a good debate :)

_____V_____
07-29-2013, 11:28 AM
Found our 21st finalist in The Night of the Hunter.

Two films have equal backings/secondings - The War of the Worlds and The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms. One of them might be our 22nd finalist, if they garner 1 more supporter.

That is, if no other film(s) spring up more backers/seconders.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthread.php?p=953616#post953616

As for the ruling for the "In The Cut" films, they stay out of this debate.

The Villain
07-29-2013, 11:45 AM
If no one else casts a vote I'll remove my backing from War of The World's since I backed both it and Beast from 20,000 Fathoms and i consider that the better film one which I thought to be inspiration for other monster movies that came later