Trump, Sanders US Pres Election

[Jake.Ashworth]

Originally Posted by Sculpt

Ya, some of Sander supporters will stay home, and some Sanders' populist, anti-corp/elite/establishment will vote for Trump, as he speaks against the trade deals (NAFTA, etc) described to have lead to companies/manufacturing/jobs going overseas and worker wages stagnating for 30 years; and both speaking against corp tax havens.

Curious, would you give the three biggest reasons you think a H. Clinton presidency would be a travesty?

There are a number of reasons, but I would say the largest is that absolutely nothing would get done. The country is heavily divided (Dem, Rep) and there is no way Republicans would allow anything to come of another Clinton presidency. Just out of sheer hatred and spite, even if she could pull off a decent run, there would be absolutely no way. That said, I personally believe she is unfit for the job, she has little political success to ride on and she has shown a lot of weakness when shit gets real. I don't think she would be able to hold it together for an entire term. She is currently just saying anything to pull Bernie supporters but she doesn't seem to have a legitimate means to actually accomplish anything. I think once the field is narrowed to her and Trump, she will fall apart and Trump will take it with a landslide. It would be much more interesting if it was Trump and Sanders.

[Roiffalo]

Originally Posted by MichaelMyers

I have spoken to a cadre of Sanders supporters who say they will vote Trump out of spite.

Oh that's fantastic. Because America learned from that SO WELL with voting for Obama because he was black. I'm not racist, but you have to be pretty fucking stupid to vote for someone solely on the color of their skin. If you ask me that's just as racist as not voting for someone because they are black. Same goes for sex. I hear women wanting to vote for Clinton just because she's female. What?! I may not know politics very well but dammit even I known that's a recipe for disaster! If you're voting because of one factor like color, gender, or spite, then you have no right to vote. Period.

[MichaelMyers]

Originally Posted by Jake.Ashworth

There are a number of reasons, but I would say the largest is that absolutely nothing would get done. The country is heavily divided (Dem, Rep) and there is no way Republicans would allow anything to come of another Clinton presidency. Just out of sheer hatred and spite, even if she could pull off a decent run, there would be absolutely no way. That said, I personally believe she is unfit for the job, she has little political success to ride on and she has shown a lot of weakness when shit gets real. I don't think she would be able to hold it together for an entire term. She is currently just saying anything to pull Bernie supporters but she doesn't seem to have a legitimate means to actually accomplish anything. I think once the field is narrowed to her and Trump, she will fall apart and Trump will take it with a landslide. It would be much more interesting if it was Trump and Sanders.

Jake, I fear this may be moot: Trump says his sources tell him Hillary may be indicted and not allowed to run in the general.

[Jake.Ashworth]

Originally Posted by MichaelMyers

Jake, I fear this may be moot: Trump says his sources tell him Hillary may be indicted and not allowed to run in the general.

I don't know man. I honestly don't think the powers that be would allow that to happen. There is a reason why she holds so many Super Delegates.

[Sculpt]

Originally Posted by MichaelMyers

Jake, I fear this may be moot: Trump says his sources tell him Hillary may be indicted and not allowed to run in the general.

Being indited doesn't prevent one for running for pres, only conviction. Secondly, NPR sources say, to date, no emails contained classified info at the time they were sent (which is required for indictment). I don't see an indictment coming. You really don't think Trump is a valid source on this issue, do you?

[MichaelMyers]

Originally Posted by Sculpt

Being indited doesn't prevent one for running for pres, only conviction. Secondly, NPR sources say, to date, no emails contained classified info at the time they were sent (which is required for indictment). I don't see an indictment coming. You really don't think Trump is a valid source on this issue, do you?

From what I hear, Trump is in touch daily with the good, smart people.

[Sculpt]

Originally Posted by MichaelMyers

From what I hear, Trump is in touch daily with the good, smart people.

Unfortunately, Trump proved to us he doesn't listen to (or ask) the experts for critical things (sometimes). The proof was the "Two Corinthians Incident". You know about this?

While running for the Republican Party for president, he went to Liberty University, a christian college (including Divinity degrees) -- the one reason to do this was convince christians he was one of them. And when he quoted the Bible he mispronounced the book... there convincing christians of the US he wasn't one.

How important was it for Trump to simply run this quotation by one of the 210 million chritians all around him (70% of US voters) before he gave this speech? He didn't. Wow.

Here's a little clip of the incident, given some perspective by christian Stephen Colbert:

[1890 Media]

I'm new here but would like to say I think at the very last it is refreshing that someone outside the political arena is putting their money where their mouth is. That is to say all the bitching people do about politicians, punk rock bands sing songs, people protest in the streets etc there is Trump thumbing his nose at everyone. Is it is real or not? We will have to see. I actually like Kasich. But we live in PA and have seen changes in OHIO over the years. It is getting better. Clinton would just be Obama's third term.

[Chevalier]

I prefer Kaisch and Sanders. I voted for socialist grandpa in the Democratic Primary.

Trump is just trying to get attention and build his brand. There's no subsidence to his policy. He will never be President, and I believe he knows it.