A football thread

[taylorsmommy]

Terrell Owens is gone for the rest of the season!!!!!!!! Woo hoo!!!!!!!!

[ItsAlive75]

I hear ya.... what a prick that guy is.

[taylorsmommy]

I don't know who the bigger crybaby is, him or Allen Iverson.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by taylorsmommy
I don't know who the bigger crybaby is, him or Allen Iverson.

T.O., no question.

Who complains because their team doesn't throw them a celebration for 100 TD catches?

I don't ask my roommates to buy me a beer when I ace a test... although I've never done that.

What? whu.... oh yeah, to hell with T.O.

[pinkfloyd45769]

Hey, I like Allen Iverson:( ;)

[taylorsmommy]

Why?:D

[scouse mac]

Now I started reading this thread in good faith only to (belatedly) realize you were of course talking about the NFL. Any game where you primarily use your hands isn't football, whereas my football (soccer if you insist) is the true bastion of sport. By the way, how are the Dolphins doing these days? :)

[DraculaInDallas]

Originally posted by scouse mac
Now I started reading this thread in good faith only to (belatedly) realize you were of course talking about the NFL. Any game where you primarily use your hands isn't football, whereas my football (soccer if you insist) is the true bastion of sport. By the way, how are the Dolphins doing these days? :)

Owens is a selfish prick who needs his pie hole shut permanently. Anyone notice the common thread in every asshole in pro sports??

And how 'bout my Red Devils!!!!!!!! kicked some Chelsea ass!!! Fuck that jerk-off Jose Mourinho :D
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[scouse mac]

Originally posted by DraculaInDallas
Owens is a selfish prick who needs his pie hole shut permanently. Anyone notice the common thread in every asshole in pro sports??

And how 'bout my Red Devils!!!!!!!! kicked some Chelsea ass!!! Fuck that jerk-off Jose Mourinho :D
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For the first time in a long time im glad the manc's won, Jose is an arrogant mofo but Liverpool FC my friend is the only way. Convert to the one True Faith :)

[bwind22]

I like TO and I think he had a right to complain. The Eagles organization has never not made a big deal about a milestone for anybody else, so I can see why he would feel pretty shitty that they didn't even mention his 100th TD. Also, the Eagles fought like hell to get their hands on him and now that they have him, they're gonna be surprised that he's a bit of a primadonna? What the fuck? He's one of the best WR's in the NFL. Of course he has an ego...

Hell, send him over to the Vikings. We seem to be short one marquee receiver this season.

And while we're at it... Anyone know where we can find a coach that has an IQ higher than his shoe size? Because Mike Tice is a fuckin' dumbass.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22


Hell, send him over to the Vikings. We seem to be short one marquee receiver this season.



No, you were short of a QB who can operate without a marquee reciever.

[ItsAlive75]

*cough* first place Bears *cough*

:D

Don't rip on them, I need this right now.

[ENTITY2000]

well ALABAMA and auburn are playing this sat!
kickoff is at 2:30, ROLLLLLLLLLLLL FUCKING TIDE BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D :cool: :p

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ENTITY2000
well ALABAMA and auburn are playing this sat!
kickoff is at 2:30, ROLLLLLLLLLLLL FUCKING TIDE BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D :cool: :p


ROLLLLLLLLLLLLL right out of that number 3 slot after that second half whoopin the Tigers gave 'em:D

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
*cough* first place Bears *cough*

:D

Don't rip on them, I need this right now.


Nothing to rip, if they were in first place just because of how bad a division they were in that'd be one thing but I think they just have a pretty good team this year. The defense is good and Orton is getting better every week(still don't understand why he dropped so much in the draft).

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Nothing to rip, if they were in first place just because of how bad a division they were in that'd be one thing but I think they just have a pretty good team this year. The defense is good and Orton is getting better every week(still don't understand why he dropped so much in the draft).

Oh... well... thanks.

Damn, I actually wasn't expecting a compliment aimed towards the Bears.

We don't hear it that often, ya know.

[PR3SSUR3]

And how 'bout my Red Devils!!!!!!!! kicked some Chelsea ass!!! Fuck that jerk-off Jose Mourinho

Hmmm - not a surprising choice of team for a foreigner (Manchester United being the usual winners of most things in recent years).

Hey - why not try Bolton Wanderers... or Wigan Athletic? Both good teams!

Wait 6 months, and it'll be Arsenal - you mercenary.



:D

[Zero]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Hmmm - not a surprising choice of team for a foreigner (Manchester United being the usual winners of most things in recent years).

Hey - why not try Bolton Wanderers... or Wigan Athletic? Both good teams!

Wait 6 months, and it'll be Arsenal - you mercenary.



:D

Arsenal Arsenal Arsenal!!! CHAMPIONS CHAMPIONS CHAMPIONS!!

[PR3SSUR3]

And where do you live?

Wales?

:D

[poploser73]

Hey, got nothing but respect for Bears after losing Grossman and starting a rookie in Orton! I too was suprised Orton went where he did in the draft but just shows that the draft is over rated! I'm a Lions fan and am rooting for the Bears because we have all the pieces in place on paper and can't barely win and the Bears looked like a mess on paper and are pulling it together. Got to give Lovie Smith some respect for dealing with the problems. What's with your 2 guys beating each other up though? that was crazy!

[Zero]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
And where do you live?

Wales?

:D

that's hilarious because - for about a year or so - i DID live in wales. In Pontypridd for a bit - then in Cardiff (Ponty is the home of Tom Jones - which was its only redeeming feature).

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by poploser73
Hey, got nothing but respect for Bears after losing Grossman and starting a rookie in Orton! I too was suprised Orton went where he did in the draft but just shows that the draft is over rated! I'm a Lions fan and am rooting for the Bears because we have all the pieces in place on paper and can't barely win and the Bears looked like a mess on paper and are pulling it together. Got to give Lovie Smith some respect for dealing with the problems. What's with your 2 guys beating each other up though? that was crazy!

I already like this guy.

[scouse mac]

Originally posted by Zero
that's hilarious because - for about a year or so - i DID live in wales. In Pontypridd for a bit - then in Cardiff

In which case im surprised the mighty Bluebirds didn't grab hold of you! Oh and exactly what are arsenal champions of? Its certainly not Europe :D

[Zero]

Originally posted by scouse mac
In which case im surprised the mighty Bluebirds didn't grab hold of you! Oh and exactly what are arsenal champions of? Its certainly not Europe :D

the bluebirds did grab hold of me - literally - and scared the living hell out of me. . . scary bunch of welsh lads down there.

but, i moved up to london shortly after and it was there that i fell in love with the true champions of England (and soon the world!!!) ARSENAL

[scouse mac]

Originally posted by Zero
i moved up to london shortly after and it was there that i fell in love with the true champions of England (and soon the world!!!) ARSENAL

Hmmmm.....well whatever rows your boat Zero my friend, those happy pills must be working like a charm! We're not doing so hot at the moment so could do with a dose myself :)

[Zero]

Originally posted by scouse mac
Hmmmm.....well whatever rows your boat Zero my friend, those happy pills must be working like a charm! We're not doing so hot at the moment so could do with a dose myself :)

always happy to share mate- cheers!

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by poploser73
Hey, got nothing but respect for Bears after losing Grossman and starting a rookie in Orton!


What do you mean? Losing Grossman and having a reason to get Orton in there was the best thing that's happened to 'em. Grossman can be a good QB with a supporting staff while Orton who make no mistake about it has proven absolutely nothing up to this point does have the ability and potential to go threw the growing pains/losing/shift in direction of a team and come out of it all as the first QB the Bears have had since McMahon.

[PR3SSUR3]

but, i moved up to london shortly after and it was there that i fell in love with the true champions of England (and soon the world!!!) ARSENAL


I think it should be against the law to "support" a football team that is not nearest to the place of your actual birth.

In fact, let's go far enough to make all teams consist of players born within that town or city.

Wonder what Rupert Murdoch would think of that?

[scouse mac]

Liverpool 3-0 Portsmouth, a good days work by the Mighty Reds

[zwoti]

Originally posted by scouse mac
Liverpool 3-0 Portsmouth, a good days work by the Mighty Reds

one day he'll score :eek:

[scouse mac]

Originally posted by zwoti
one day he'll score :eek:

I was there today and the boy played really well but everyone in the whole ground knew he would miss that penalty. He'll score one off his backside and then the avalanche of goals will come!

[zwoti]

Originally posted by scouse mac
I was there today and the boy played really well but everyone in the whole ground knew he would miss that penalty. He'll score one off his backside and then the avalanche of goals will come!

maybe

[barbra]

so who won the iron bowl again... ?

[wu ghung]

O this is a thread about scoccer. i Thought it was a football thread.

[cheebacheeba]

FutBol, meaning foot + ball.
It IS a football thread...the "football" you refer to, and anything like "rugby", kind of stole the name, from a sport that has been around way longer, and is frankly more aptly suited to the name.

As for my contribution on the sport...
*I can't play it.
*I prefer to watch it to anything ELSE calling itself football.
*Recently saw what I guess was a pretty eciting conclusion to a game that got the Australian team into the world cup for the first time in 32 years, knocking out ?Ureoguay? for the first time ages too. GREAT penalty kickoff at the end.

[Despare]

Yeah, the first post in this thread is about TO, damn futball fans trying to hijack this thread. Anybody see the dissapointing UofM loss? Man was I livid...

[cheebacheeba]

Just saying, regardless of which one you were talking about, it would STILL be a "football" thread.

[Despare]

Oh, I misunderstood... you're right, my apologies.

[scouse mac]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
FutBol, meaning foot + ball.
It IS a football thread...the "football" you refer to, and anything like "rugby", kind of stole the name, from a sport that has been around way longer, and is frankly more aptly suited to the name.

As for my contribution on the sport...
*I can't play it.
*I prefer to watch it to anything ELSE calling itself football.
*Recently saw what I guess was a pretty eciting conclusion to a game that got the Australian team into the world cup for the first time in 32 years, knocking out ?Ureoguay? for the first time ages too. GREAT penalty kickoff at the end.

That was a good game, think Uruguay were pretty fucking pissed by the end but much prefer u Aussies in the tournament than more S. Americean teams. Be quality if England and Oz are drawn in the same group so we can teach you another sporting lesson!!
:p :p :p

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by barbra
so who won the iron bowl again... ?


Auburn if I'm not mistaken.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Oh... well... thanks.

Damn, I actually wasn't expecting a compliment aimed towards the Bears.

We don't hear it that often, ya know.



Congrats, I'm not trying to jinks it or anything but unless something goes horribly wrong you got the division. Win a division title and go into the playoffs with a win over the Super Bowl favorites under your belt, that's a huge step for a second year coach with rookie QB and a franchise draft pick injured most of the season. Lovie Smith looks like the real deal, might take you guys back to the ''Monsters of the Midway'' days.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Congrats, I'm not trying to jinks it or anything but unless something goes horribly wrong you got the division. Win a division title and go into the playoffs with a win over the Super Bowl favorites under your belt, that's a huge step for a second year coach with rookie QB and a franchise draft pick injured most of the season. Lovie Smith looks like the real deal, might take you guys back to the ''Monsters of the Midway'' days.

Wow. They actually won. What a fuckin game.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Wow. They actually won. What a fuckin game.



I knew they were good but I wasn't expecting a win over the Panthers anymore than you were.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I knew they were good but I wasn't expecting a win over the Panthers any more than you were.

I'm gonna go outside and look for a 100 dollar bill on the ground. I think its one of those days.

[poploser73]

didn't see the Bears game but read the recap afterward. Why am I not suprised? Meanwhile, my Lions keep reminding me why I rooted for the Bears most of the 80's!! ha ha... Can't say enough for Lovie and the Bears to jump on that division and go to town. I think they showed today they are the real deal and could easily put together a great record of wins over the next few games.

[bwind22]

The Vikings beat the Packers twice this year! Woohoo!

See? All we needed was for our star player (Culpepper) to go down for the season and now we're on the right path. (3-0 since Culpepper went out.)

So the Vikes are 5-5 and despite being 2 games back on the Bears, have a decent shot at making the playoffs. Damn that'd be funny if they made it after the start we got off to. The Bears have a tougher schedule than us plus they only have 2 home games left, but what could be our saving grace is that we still play them once more this year and it's the last game of the season. That game could very well be for the division title to see which NFC North lackluster club will proceed to the playoffs where they will get whooped one of the teams that actually has talent this year.

I've never been a huge fan, but after seeing that Colts Bengals game, I have to say that I think Indy is gonna go 16-0 and win the SuperBowl this year. Their biggest challenge is next Monday, but if they get by Pittsburgh, I think they're going undefeated.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by bwind22
So the Vikes are 5-5 and despite being 2 games back on the Bears, have a decent shot at making the playoffs. Damn that'd be funny if they made it after the start we got off to. The Bears have a tougher schedule than us plus they only have 2 home games left, but what could be our saving grace is that we still play them once more this year and it's the last game of the season. That game could very well be for the division title to see which NFC North lackluster club will proceed to the playoffs where they will get whooped one of the teams that actually has talent this year.


You'll never beat the Bears... never.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
You'll never beat the Bears... never.


Agreed, the Bears Defense is too good and physical.

Bears' biggest win of the season was Sunday against the Super Bowl favorites who they shut down with good, physical defense.

Viks biggest win was against the Giants because of poor play by the Giants rather than exceptional play by the Vikings.


You put very good,physical defense and a all-pro reciever,steady ball control offense.

up against

Bend but don't break, big play defense and fast finese skill players, QB managment offense.

and the Bears' type will USUALLY do better.

I'm not just saying that because I hate the Vikings because as you both know I'm a Packer fan so I hate you both equally.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22


See? All we needed was for our star player (Culpepper) to go down for the season and now we're on the right path.


Star player?:confused:

Don't tell me you still have faith in that guy? Brad Johnson walked in and took over the exact same team Culpepper left behind and goes 3-0.

Now I'll give him the benifit of the doubt, maybe he's just gotta get used to not having Moss drawing a triple team, leaving a reciever open and still being able to get the jump ball himself, that's alot to lose and Moss has been their the entire time Daunte has so it's understandable.

With Johnson being a veteran who's been with the team before and most importantly has a Super Bowl under his belt doing the same thing(game managing) I see why he could step in and do better but if we see the same time next year Culpepper just aint got it.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808


I'm not just saying that because I hate the Vikings because as you both know I'm a Packer fan so I hate you both equally.

hahaha

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Star player?:confused:

Don't tell me you still have faith in that guy? Brad Johnson walked in and took over the exact same team Culpepper left behind and goes 3-0.

Now I'll give him the benifit of the doubt, maybe he's just gotta get used to not having Moss drawing a triple team, leaving a reciever open and still being able to get the jump ball himself, that's alot to lose and Moss has been their the entire time Daunte has so it's understandable.

With Johnson being a veteran who's been with the team before and most importantly has a Super Bowl under his belt doing the same thing(game managing) I see why he could step in and do better but if we see the same time next year Culpepper just aint got it.

Plus the Vikings have a total of 13 offensive touchdowns the entire year, 4 under Brad Johnson. They aren't a good offensive team with either QB, and that touchdown total is the WORST for a team with at least a .500 record.

So good luck...:D

[AUSTIN316426808]

Brad Johnson is a good QB but he's not right for the offensive design. They've got a bunch of fast finese players with a managment QB. They're surviving off turnovers and special teams, you can get away with that in college(Frank Beamer did it very well for a long time until Micheal Vick showed up) but it's going to catch up to you sooner or later in the NFL.

Panthers
Seahawks
Cowboys
Bears

There's your division champs unless something unexpected happens, although I'm not sure the Panthers are a complete lock yet, Cadillac is back so the Buccs have a real chance and how's this for a scary thought....Micheal Vick is actually learning how to throw so the Falcons have a real chance too.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Micheal Vick is actually learning how to throw so the Falcons have a real chance too.

Michael Vick thinks he's superman and he tries to do ridiculous things after every snap. He's going to do die on the football field, I guarantee it.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Michael Vick thinks he's superman and he tries to do ridiculous things after every snap. He's going to do die on the football field, I guarantee it.


I agree, his career will probably end because of injury, either that or he'll have enough to keep him from fully developing his full potential which is high as the sky.

[bwind22]

We'll see. The Bears aren't gonna finish better than 9-7 so it'll depend on what the Vikings do.

By calling Culpepper a star player, I just mean that our whole offense had been geared around him and now he's gone. I well aware that our defense and special teams are keeping us afloat right now, but we're getting the wins and that's what matters. Vikes are gonna win the NFC North when they beat the Bears in week 17 and then I'm gonna come back to this thread and point out the fact that I called it way back here before week 12.


Austin..... The Vikes may not be too feasible as a legit playoff hopeful (Definately not as a legit Super Bowl contender) but they sure know how to beat The Packers this year. Owned at the Dome and Lambeau! Must be a rough time to be a Packer fan. :p

[AUSTIN316426808]

Well, I think the season would've went alot better if....uh...oh yeah, the entire roster wasn't half dead but it's cool you can only dominate a division for so long. I'm a true fan, not going to bail on 'em the first losing season in over a decade, ecspecially when injury is to blame.


You really think the Bears are gonna go 2-4 the rest of the way or is that just the die hard fan side of you talking?


And you're absolutely right, winning is the important thing no matter how it happens, my point was that you can't keep it up for 9 weeks straight.

[bwind22]

Yeah, look at the Bears schedule from here on out.

@ Tampa Bay
vs. Green Bay
@ Pittsburgh
vs. Atlanta
@ Green Bay
@ MInnesota

4 road games and that's a pretty tough schedule. They'll probably beat the Pack once maybe twice and maybe MInn, but like I said, I think that game will be for the division.

[AUSTIN316426808]

I've got 'em at 3-3....

Split with the Pack

If Orton has protection I think they'll take the Vikings

and I think they'll take one out of the other three, most likely Atlanta since they live off running.

If Rothlisbergr isn't back yet or not at 100% and they can knock him around they might be able to take the Steelers out too.

[bwind22]

We'll see what happens... The Vikes are finding ways to get 'er done right now so just imagine what would happen if our offense actually did start clicking.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Halftime show of a Thanksgiving game on live national tv, would it kill her to actually sing.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Halftime show of a Thanksgiving game on live national tv, would it kill her to actually sing.

You'd think they'd realize that football fans don't wanna watch Mariah Carey in the first place...

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by bwind22
Yeah, look at the Bears schedule from here on out.

@ Tampa Bay WIN
vs. Green Bay WIN
@ Pittsburgh LOSS
vs. Atlanta WIN
@ Green Bay LOSS
@ MInnesota WIN


All can be done... Except for playin at Lambeau and Pitt.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
All can be done... Except for playin at Lambeau.



Good to see this season isn't getting to your head and you Bear people still know your place.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Good to see this season isn't getting to your head and you Bear people still know your place.

hahaha, yeah... yeah we don't play around in cheese country.

And NOTHING'S getting to our heads, not yet. We're Chicago sports fans.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Ya got a World Series(not the World Series 3/4 of the city would like but a World Series nonetheless), the Bulls are going to be pretty damn good next year if not this year and the Bears going to the playoffs with the best Defense in the league.....


lighten up, it's getting better.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Michael Vick thinks he's superman and he tries to do ridiculous things after every snap. He's going to do die on the football field, I guarantee it.


I think it's time to get that train wreck waiting to happen out of the game.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808 I think it's time to get that train wreck waiting to happen out of the game.

Agreed, they've got this game wrapped up.

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808 lighten up, its getting better.

I know, I know... I'm not used to being satisfied with my teams.

[ItsAlive75]

Way to go Lions for losing again.

Way to go Denver defense for making Drew Bledsoe look old.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
You'd think they'd realize that football fans don't wanna watch Mariah Carey in the first place...


Or Sheryl Crow.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Or Sheryl Crow.

hahaha... at least she's singing... and playing a country-type song. But still, get out of there.

Ooooh, TWO songs. Be still my heart.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Dude, where's the fucking flag.

And don't you hate when teams play for overtime?

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Dude, where's the fucking flag.

And don't you hate when teams play for overtime?

Flag on the fair catch?

And I do hate overtime, especially in games riddled with flags like this one.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Flag on the fair catch?





The last Denver play when Plummer aired it to Rod Smith, Aaron Glenn was all over his arm.

Guess it doesn't matter now thanks to Dayne.

[ItsAlive75]

Yes.......

Go Denver.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Did you like the White Cowboy uniforms? I thought they were kinda cool.

[NECRO666]

THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS :D :mad: the game where the face the saints it wasn't on t.v where im at, it better not happen again. benn watching the pats since 84-85?. The patriots still have a shot. If the pats don't make the Sb then brady should get Season MvP.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Sorry to break it to you but they'll be lucky to make the playoffs and Brady isn't even in contention for the MVP.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by NECRO666
If the pats don't make the Sb then brady should get Season MvP.

My ass he should. There's a list of people who should be put ahead of Brady. With the longest winning streak at 2, I don't think Brady deserves the regular season MVP.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Peyton Manning
Dwight freeny
Steve Smith
Carson Palmer
Shaun Alexander
Brian Urlacher
Jake Plummer
Micheal Vick


Honorable mentions if not for injury....
Ben Rothlisbergr
Cadillac Williams


Brady is behind all of the above.

[NECRO666]

Brady been doing great all season. If manning and others could get mvp with out winning SB then why not brady. I think brady is 2# or 3# on the qb raiting. this is brady best season for his stats in his carrer. BRADY MVP. MVP MVP, ok SB MVP is better :D

[AUSTIN316426808]

Brady's stats don't matter, he's not a big stat player. He's know for his poise,leadership and managment skills so the fact he's having his best season doesn't mean anything. The team isn't what they were, that's what means something.

True you don't have to get to the Super Bowl to win an MVP but you do have to have more than a 2 game winning streak and have a great season that elevates your team not just your career QB rating. Last year Manning broke a record that was considered unbreakable and carried his team to the playoffs. Brady isn't elevating his team and if they make the playoffs at all it's going to be because of the defense not him.


Another thing to prove the stat argument....

Aaron Brooks has been one of the best QBs in the league stat wise over the past 5 years, in '03 he had the best touchdown to interception ratio in the league was in the top 5 in rating and broke two team records but all that great individual play didn't elevate his team there for he got no consideration. Brady didn't get a vote last year when the Pats won the division so I seriously doubt he'll get one this year considering the fact that if they make the playoffs it's not going to be by much.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
True you don't have to get to the Super Bowl to win an MVP but you do have to have more than a 2 game winning streak and have a great season that elevates your team not just your career QB rating. Last year Manning broke a record that was considered unbreakable and carried his team to the playoffs. Brady isn't elevating his team and if they make the playoffs at all it's going to be because of the defense not him.


That would've been my point. Brady's leading the league in passing yards but their team is barely treading water, leading a division that's the worst in the NFL. If you're gonna carry a one-dimensional team to the playoffs like Peyton Manning did, that's one thing. But the patriots have problems in a bunch of areas, and Brady hasn't exactly been carrying his team with staggering numbers.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Exactly, he's not doing anything special, just because he's having the best season of his career doesn't mean anything. He's 4th in QB rating but Palmer and Manning are the top two and they're leading the best teams in the league.

[AUSTIN316426808]

The Owens arbitration is bullshit.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
Yeah, look at the Bears schedule from here on out.

@ Tampa Bay
vs. Green Bay
@ Pittsburgh
vs. Atlanta
@ Green Bay
@ MInnesota

4 road games and that's a pretty tough schedule. They'll probably beat the Pack once maybe twice and maybe MInn, but like I said, I think that game will be for the division.



Panthers and Buccs back to back, ready to admit it now or ya still got a flicker of hope left?

[AUSTIN316426808]

I don't think it'd be a good idea for Jay Feely to leave his house for a couple weeks.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I don't think it'd be a good idea for Jay Feely to leave his house for a couple weeks.

hahaha that was HILARIOUS. I was rootin' for the Seahawks anyway.

Good luck with the Saints tonight, too.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
hahaha that was HILARIOUS. I was rootin' for the Seahawks anyway.

Good luck with the Saints tonight, too.


Lord knows we need it. They're better than the Jets but we've got a knack for giving games away.

[NECRO666]

4 INT didn't help brady on this game. plus the defense when ice cold on the first half. (6-5) if theygo on a winning streak from now on i don't think that is good enouph to be in plyoffs? 42 players injured there best offeness & deffense are out, offeness/deffenss cornators are gone. it's not over yet they might get a shot at it if they don't you could say the colts has it all the way to win the SB. if the pats don't make it (31D) I will have to pick for Sb contenders Colts and bears. bears will kick the colts ass if they both make the superbowl better D. GO PATRIOTS

[AUSTIN316426808]

I don't suppose you base all that crap you just said on anything but your own opinion because besides "offensive and defensive coordinators are gone" it's either completely wrong or just doesn't make sense.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Lord knows we need it. They're better than the Jets but we've got a knack for giving games away.

Well you're winnin' now.

Saints defense givin' up points on 17 straight possessions.... oof.:D

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Well you're winnin' now.

Saints defense givin' up points on 17 straight possessions.... oof.:D



Go ahead, rip away, not much defending I can do with a 2-8 team 'specially considering the fact that they've got more than enough talent to be 8-2(besides the whole best player out and no city thing).

[AUSTIN316426808]

@IA75- See what I mean? almost gave that one away but this one actually went the other way around, if Bollinger doesn't drop that snap Nugent nails the field goal.

[MoonLit Meadow]

As much as I love the Patriots....what an embarrassment today;)
*cries*

[bwind22]

The Vikes aren't letting up. All it will take is 1 Bears loss on a week the Vikes win and all of a sudden we're only down by a game. If that's the case, then week 17 Vikes vs. Bears will be for the division, just like I've been saying. I'm not worried yet.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
The Vikes aren't letting up. All it will take is 1 Bears loss on a week the Vikes win and all of a sudden we're only down by a game. If that's the case, then week 17 Vikes vs. Bears will be for the division, just like I've been saying. I'm not worried yet.


The Viks are 6-5 the Bears are 8-3, if they lost and dropped to 8-4 and the Viks went to 7-5 they'd still have one less win and one more loss so that's still a two game lead.

I think we can agree that the Viks hopes all lay on how they play when a game rolls around that they don't get 4 or 5 turnovers.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
@IA75- See what I mean? almost gave that one away but this one actually went the other way around, if Bollinger doesn't drop that snap Nugent nails the field goal.

ESPN.com pretty much said it best. Being a Jets quarterback is hazardous to your health.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
ESPN.com pretty much said it best. Being a Jets quarterback is hazardous to your health.



LoL, guess I missed that one. That's what happens when your entire line is out but I'd rather be there than Houston, sometimes I just feel sorry for David Carr.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
LoL, guess I missed that one. That's what happens when your entire line is out but I'd rather be there than Houston, sometimes I just feel sorry for David Carr.

Dude, so do I. That guy deserves better, he's managed to stay a class act throughout this entire terrible year.

[AUSTIN316426808]

I don't even think they can afford to get Reggie Bush, they need a line, not one or two but an entire line.

[ItsAlive75]

But you know they'll go for Bush because it'll fill the seats... for a while.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Well, it's almost impossible to pass up on that kind of talent and they could always trade Davis for an extra pick. They went 8-8 last year without a line so maybe Capers can pull it off with a couple late picks and free agents.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
But you know they'll go for Bush because it'll fill the seats... for a while.


Just like Ricky filled the SuperDome for half a season.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Fire Mariucci then announce Garcia the starter and keep McMillan?(or whatever his name is)

WTF is wrong with that franchise!

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Fire Mariucci then announce Garcia the starter and keep McMillan?(or whatever his name is)

WTF is wrong with that franchise!

Don't forget Bly calling out Harrington for being the real problem. That team is in shaaaaambles.

But I'm rootin for em' this weekend.

[Zombee]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
[B]I think it should be against the law to "support" a football team that is not nearest to the place of your actual birth.

In fact, let's go far enough to make all teams consist of players born within that town or city.

Easy to say when you live in close proximity of a Pro team.. Of course I am Husker fan living in Omaha. But we dont have a pro team of any sort within 200 miles (KC) and there is no fucking way I am going to cheer on the Royals or the Chiefs. I had to venture a little further for my teams (Steelers, St L Cards and the Celtics). Nice to see there are other Horror fans out there that appreciate sports though..!

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
The Viks are 6-5 the Bears are 8-3, if they lost and dropped to 8-4 and the Viks went to 7-5 they'd still have one less win and one more loss so that's still a two game lead.

I think we can agree that the Viks hopes all lay on how they play when a game rolls around that they don't get 4 or 5 turnovers.

If the Vikings were 7-5 and the Bears were 8-4, that's 1 game back, not two. I don't know who taught you to figure out standings, but you should ask for a refund.

8-4
7-5

That's a 1 game difference dude. Plus, like I said we play the Bears the last week, so that right there would be our chance to even it up. Then it'd go to a tiebreaker for the division (Which I don't know who would win. If the Vikes won game 17 to force the tie, they'd each have a head to head win against each other so I think it'd go to divisional record, which still remains to be determined.)


There's still work to be done, but you guys just wait... The Vikes will be around come playoff time. (Or at the very least, game 17 will be for the division. We may win, we may not, but we'll make it interesting.)

[PR3SSUR3]

Easy to say when you live in close proximity of a Pro team.. Of course I am Husker fan living in Omaha. But we dont have a pro team of any sort within 200 miles (KC) and there is no fucking way I am going to cheer on the Royals or the Chiefs. I had to venture a little further for my teams (Steelers, St L Cards and the Celtics). Nice to see there are other Horror fans out there that appreciate sports though

So long as you're not into simply supporting the "best" team in the land (i.e. the one that always wins and lives about 500 miles away)... that's all fine!

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
If the Vikings were 7-5 and the Bears were 8-4, that's 1 game back, not two. I don't know who taught you to figure out standings, but you should ask for a refund.

8-4
7-5

That's a 1 game difference dude. Plus, like I said we play the Bears the last week, so that right there would be our chance to even it up. Then it'd go to a tiebreaker for the division (Which I don't know who would win. If the Vikes won game 17 to force the tie, they'd each have a head to head win against each other so I think it'd go to divisional record, which still remains to be determined.)


There's still work to be done, but you guys just wait... The Vikes will be around come playoff time. (Or at the very least, game 17 will be for the division. We may win, we may not, but we'll make it interesting.)

You're right, my bad that's baseball and basketball that count losses. It's cool dude, I think you're confidence is admirable, I see that from almost every post of yours that you've got your heart set on that last game being a tie break so I'll just let it go.

[Mr. Smooth]

Amen to this thread. Especially since I am an Eagles fan. It is a shame since he is an excellent athelete. But I hate the fact that it is because we don't have TO that we are doing shitty. When he was around we were still doing shitty this season.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by Mr. Smooth
Amen to this thread. Especially since I am an Eagles fan. It is a shame since he is an excellent athelete. But I hate the fact that it is because we don't have TO that we are doing shitty. When he was around we were still doing shitty this season.



That's not all together true, you remember season before last when the Eagles weren't all that dominate and were getting by with McNabb scrambling and Westbrook? Well, they were doing the same thing this year and if it weren't for all the BS I think the Eagles would've came out ok this year.

[NECRO666]

Patriots all the way if not next year :D

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
That's not all together true, you remember season before last when the Eagles weren't all that dominate and were getting by with McNabb scrambling and Westbrook? Well, they were doing the same thing this year and if it weren't for all the BS I think the Eagles would've came out ok this year.

Agreed. Sometimes the whole mental issue goes a long way. When athletes say that they don't worry about stuff like that, that they're just looking forward to the next game, they're probably lying.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
You're right, my bad that's baseball and basketball that count losses. It's cool dude, I think you're confidence is admirable, I see that from almost every post of yours that you've got your heart set on that last game being a tie break so I'll just let it go.

It's probably more loyalty than confidence. lol I refuse to say anything bad about my team, even when things start looking grim, so now that we have a flicker of hope, I've got to grasp it... It's all I've got, man!

Hahaha. I'll be rooting for the Pack tomorrow. The Bears haven't won at Lambeau since the mid 90s. (These types of situations are the only I ever say anything about rooting for the Pack.)

The Vikes on the other hand, got the Lions... Who are better than their record reflects, but still very beatable. Hopefully our Defense can stay tough....

[scouse mac]

Peter Crouch finally scores after 24 hours of football. Rejoice!

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by bwind22

Hahaha. I'll be rooting for the Pack tomorrow. The Bears haven't won at Lambeau since the mid 90s. (These types of situations are the only I ever say anything about rooting for the Pack.)


It's actually at Soldier Field, but the Pack are 11-1 and one there... since 94' I think. So.... I'm still wary.

[AUSTIN316426808]

I just think the Bears' D is too good. Of course I'm not picking against them but I'm wary myself.

11 straight in Illinois, 20 out of last 25

All that's great but there's just no reason to have confidence 'specially against the best D in the NFL. I've got hope just not that much confidence.

[ItsAlive75]

I'm just looking for a season split. That's all I really want.

[pinkfloyd45769]

What is a season split??:confused:

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by pinkfloyd45769
What is a season split??:confused:


Teams in the same division have to play each other twice during the season.If they both win one each then it's a split.

[pinkfloyd45769]

Ok, thanks!!

[bwind22]

Well, the Vikes won again and today they did it without a huge defense and special teams spectacle. Granted, hey could have played a lot better and put the game away a few different times but the bottom line is that they managed to win again. 5 straight now and we've got 3 of our last 4 at the Dome.

The Bears won too despite a major lack of offense. They got lucky they were playing such a weak Packers squad or they woulda gotten worked.

Even if the Vikes don't catch the Bears, our overall playoff hopes increased dramatically this week because we are now tied for the last wild card spot with Atlanta and Dallas.

I was only half serious when I came on here a few weeks ago claiming the Vikes had a legit playoff shot, but they seem to be making good on it! Go Vikes!

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22


The Bears won too despite a major lack of offense.


What's new about that?

[bwind22]

All I'm saying is that the Bears will need to bring more than 1 defensive TD to the table in week 17 if they want to hold on to the division because the Vikes have been lighting it up lately on offense, defense and special teams.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Lighting it up against the Lions,Browns and Packers isn't saying much.


Having said that, I do think the Viks have a decent shot, after this week we'll see just how decent it is.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Lighting it up against the Lions,Browns and Packers isn't saying much.


Having said that, I do think the Viks have a decent shot, after this week we'll see just how decent it is.

Well lighting it up against weak teams is better than not lighting it up against them. The Bears didn't light much of anything up on Sunday against the Pack. Chicago always seem to just squeak out low scoring games which is a HUGE credit to their awesome defense, but if their offense could put points on the board, then they might actually be a serious contender.

Yeah, this week is big.

[scouse mac]

Cheer up Alex Ferguson, maybe next year HA HA HA HA HA

[bwind22]

Originally posted by scouse mac
Cheer up Alex Ferguson, maybe next year HA HA HA HA HA

^ WTF?

Who's Alex Ferguson and what are you talking about?

[bwind22]

Ohhh... No wonder I was confused. I just googled Alex Feguson and found out he's a coach for Manchester United or something like that. We're talking American football here buddy. NFL. :)

[AUSTIN316426808]

Football is football even if it's futbol.

[MisterSadistro]

You'd think the Bears won the Superbowl around here from Monday's newspapers :D
CK

[zwoti]

Originally posted by bwind22
Ohhh... No wonder I was confused. I just googled Alex Feguson and found out he's a coach for Manchester United or something like that. We're talking American football here buddy. NFL. :)

manager......he's a manager

[AUSTIN316426808]

Hey Bear boy....

Reggie Bush or Vince Young


I say Bush.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Hey Bear boy....

Reggie Bush or Vince Young


I say Bush.

It's about damn time we got this thing goin' again.

I say Bush, we've seen flashes of brilliance from Young. We've just seen brilliance from Bush.

...We've just seen brilliance from Bush. Out of context that sounds like somebody from FOX News.

[AUSTIN316426808]

LoL...



I think Young still had a chance until both teams just got by but Bush had 500 and 3 and Young did nothing.(nothing special anyway)

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
LoL...



I think Young still had a chance until both teams just got by but Bush had 500 and 3 and Young did nothing.(nothing special anyway)

Who do you think is gonna get Bush? I guess the three teams that are in the "Bush Bowl" running are Houston, Green Bay and the Jets.

And I'm assuming that Bush will go first in the draft.

[AUSTIN316426808]

49ers
Saints
Packers
Jets
Titans
Texans


They're all technically in the running but I think it'll come down to the last game of the season when the Texans play the 49ers, whoever loses that one is most likely to end up with the pick.

I'm not completely sold that the Texans would take Bush because they've already got a thousand yard rusher who can get the job done. And lord knows they need to work on that line, think what Davis,Carr and Johnson could get done with a line.

The Niners on the other hand would take him without thinking twice unless a really good deal comes up.

[Zero]

OK - here's my question about the BCS. . .

why is No. 3 Penn State playing pathetic Florida State? Shouldn't #3 play, at least someone in the top 10? It just shows what a sham the whole BCS thing is- the bowls are set up for drama and tv ratings, not to find out who the best teams actually are . . . PLAYOFFS PLAYOFFS PLAYOFFS

[ItsAlive75]

I think the Titans and Saints will each win at least one more. 49ers could win another now that Smith is back at the QB position, but you're right that last game is up in the air.

Houston does need more offensive linemen but if they used their #1 pick on a lineman the entire football community would be getting their nooses ready.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by Zero
OK - here's my question about the BCS. . .

why is No. 3 Penn State playing pathetic Florida State? Shouldn't #3 play, at least someone in the top 10? It just shows what a sham the whole BCS thing is- the bowls are set up for drama and tv ratings, not to find out who the best teams actually are . . . PLAYOFFS PLAYOFFS PLAYOFFS



Florida State is far from pathetic, pathetic teams don't beat Virginia Tech.

Playoffs would still have controversy.


This year the best team is actually going to be who wins the Rose Bowl, they started 1 and 2, everybody said they were the best teams in college football and they've proved they are and we're going to find out who the best is. The BCS isn't perfect but a playoff wouldn't be either.

Most bowl games are just there for money and to prolong the season for fans. But the Rose,Sugar and Orange bowls have the best teams in the country. Like I said the BCS isn't perfect(it's only worked without controversy 2 years of it's exsistence) but neither would a playoff.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
I think the Titans and Saints will each win at least one more. 49ers could win another now that Smith is back at the QB position, but you're right that last game is up in the air.

Houston does need more offensive linemen but if they used their #1 pick on a lineman the entire football community would be getting their nooses ready.


That's true but with Bush and Leinart sitting there they could trade out and pick up 2 or maybe even 3 extra picks. But you're right if they use the first pick for a lineman that wouldn't make much sense.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
That's true but with Bush and Leinart sitting there they could trade out and pick up 2 or maybe even 3 extra picks. But you're right if they use the first pick for a lineman that wouldn't make much sense.

Plus you can get a good lineman second or third round easy.

[AUSTIN316426808]

OK,next topic....


USC or Texas


I gotta say USC(even though my hate for 'em as no limit) because Texas hasn't really beat anybody but Ohio State and they've gotten into close games when Young hasn't played 100%.

USC on the other hand has beaten very good teams and when they get into a close game it isn't because one player isn't doing to well it's because they've played tough teams and Bush and Leinart always pull 'em through...yada yada yada Trojans get their SECOND straight.

[ItsAlive75]

Agreed, but I'm still pushin' for Texas.

How bout this. More people said they'd be more impressed with the Colts 16 season sweep streak than USC's streak. That's... that's incomprehensible.

[pinkfloyd45769]

Ohio State rocks!!!:D

[AUSTIN316426808]

Well you gotta think about it, the NFL is more competitive than it's ever been(10 years ago 10-6 was home field advantage now it's surviving).

There's free agency which is something college coaches don't have to worry about.

They get the best high school players in the country every year in bunches and don't have to worry about a salary cap. So when one heisman player leaves(Palmer) another steps in right away(Leinart) and now they've got two on one team(Bush). When they're gone next year they've got another one stepping in for 'em(White) along with All American recievers.

You get what I'm saying? It's just way easier in college.

[ItsAlive75]

True, but even great teams slip up every once in a while. SC is lookin' like they won't lose a game in three years. That's insane.

I know an undefeated season's only been done once in the nfl (and those Dolphins players are STILL acting like real dicks about it) but I just can't compare it length wise.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Well, like I said it's just more competitive,not to mention college isn't as competitive. If it were '95 and both teams were exactly the same and doing the exact same thing than people's opinions would probably be the other way around.

Going undefeated in the NFL was never supposed to happen again while in college if you've got the talent people actually expect you to go undefeated. As good as the Colts have been playing all year it wasn't until this past week that people started thinking(not confirming just thinking) they could actually do it.


I'm kinda nuetral on it.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Going undefeated in the NFL was never supposed to happen again while in college if you've got the talent people actually expect you to go undefeated. As good as the Colts have been playing all year it wasn't until this past week that people started thinking(not confirming just thinking) they could actually do it.


Playin away against the Seahawks is really the only threat left, everything else is a locked win I'd say. But Peyton Manning is such a class act, he's the one guy I'd WANT to win it all... besides Kyle Orton.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Playin away against the Seahawks is really the only threat left, everything else is a locked win I'd say. But Peyton Manning is such a class act, he's the one guy I'd WANT to win it all... besides Kyle Orton.


The Patriots were 13-1 and lost to the 49ers in there second SuperBowl run, it was a lock on paper but ''That's why they play the games''.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
The Patriots were 13-1 and lost to the 49ers in there second SuperBowl run, it was a lock on paper but ''That's why they play the games''.

hahaha I hate that phrase. Ken "Hawk" Harrelson always used to say that for the White Sox... by they way, fuck the White Sox.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Speaking of fuck the white sox,I haven't been paying much attention to the offseason, did the Cubs get Furcal and/or Pierre?

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Speaking of fuck the white sox,I haven't been paying much attention to the offseason, did the Cubs get Furcal and/or Pierre?

Pierre, not Furcal. That lousy fuck signed with the Dodgers for more money over less years. I guess its okay though, he aint goin to the playoffs playin' for the Dodgers.

We might be gettin Milton Bradley too, so it should be fun watching him rip somebody's head off in Wrigley.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Where's Bradley gonna play?

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Where's Bradley gonna play?

Right field, where Burnitz played last year.

Burnitz... that guy just looked hideous.
http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/images/2004/09/19/nVjnsqCJ.jpg

[AUSTIN316426808]

Well at least they'll have one guy that can get on in front of Lee and somebody behind but it would've been a hell of alot better having those two in front because Bradley isn't gonna scare anybody into pitching to Lee but the offseason isn't over yet.

[ItsAlive75]

Are you a baseball fan? I'm actually a bigger baseball fan than I am football, just curious as to whether you had a team.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Yeah,I'm a fan but you've probably figured out by now football's at the top of the list for me.

Red Sox and Cubs.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Yeah,I'm a fan but you've probably figured out by now football's at the top of the list for me.

Red Sox and Cubs.

You're a football nut? Hmm.... couldn't tell.

Well then you gotta be pissed that the Sox got rid of Renteria. Cuz I'd be pissed, that's just me.

[Zero]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Yeah,I'm a fan but you've probably figured out by now football's at the top of the list for me.

Red Sox and Cubs.

now i know why we disagree all the time


LET'S GO YANKEESSSS

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
You're a football nut? Hmm.... couldn't tell.

Well then you gotta be pissed that the Sox got rid of Renteria. Cuz I'd be pissed, that's just me.


Damn right, didn't make any sense, they should just go all the way and get rid of Manny so people can pitch around Ortiz and screw the whole season up.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by Zero
now i know why we disagree all the time


LET'S GO YANKEESSSS


I knew it had to be something.

FUCK THE YANKEES.

[Zero]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I knew it had to be something.

FUCK THE YANKEES.

hmm, let's count the number of penants -- -

now who's the fucking moron - LMAO :p

[AUSTIN316426808]

I never understand why yankee people use the ''we've got this many penants'' or ''look at all the rings'' because I really don't care. It's about the current/upcoming season.

[Zero]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I never understand why yankee people use the ''we've got this many penants'' or ''look at all the rings'' because I really don't care. It's about the current/upcoming season.

well we didn't get swept at the end of last season - and i'll bet my bottom dollar we go further than the sucky ass boxsox this coming season.

past predicts future and the pink sox are already sliding back into mediocrity. . . pity really

[AUSTIN316426808]

''Winning isn't everything..it's the only thing''

They lost, doesn't really matter how.

[Zero]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
''Winning isn't everything..it's the only thing''

They lost, doesn't really matter how.

spoken like a true LOSER!!!

[AUSTIN316426808]

I just never understand the ''we lost better than you'' arguement.

[Zero]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I just never understand the ''we lost better than you'' arguement.

swept is swept!

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
You're a football nut? Hmm.... couldn't tell.

Well then you gotta be pissed that the Sox got rid of Renteria. Cuz I'd be pissed, that's just me.


Now that I think about it I guess the Braves aren't gonna skip a beat this season.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Now that I think about it I guess the Braves aren't gonna skip a beat this season.

They seem to defy all logic when it comes to winning. I don't see how they take the division for 13 years straight with rosters that really aren't that fantastic. I guess Bobby Cox really IS a genius.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Chipper was hurt, bunch a rookies,nothing special in the bullpen. I don't know how he did it.


The rookies are just gonna get better,still got Andrew and Chipper, now Renteria plus whatever other moves they're going to make. Doesn't look like they're going to slow down anytime soon.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by Zero
swept is swept!


If you don't mind I'll go with Vince Lombardi's logic instead of yours.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Chipper was hurt, bunch a rookies,nothing special in the bullpen. I don't know how he did it.


The rookies are just gonna get better,still got Andrew and Chipper, now Renteria plus whatever other moves they're going to make. Doesn't look like they're going to slow down anytime soon.

Well the Marlins are gonna suck, the Phillies can't win in their ballpark, and the Nationals lost their two big sluggers... their only real competition is the Mets.

[Zero]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
If you don't mind I'll go with Vince Lombardi's logic instead of yours.

he's dead - isnt' he?!?!?

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by Zero
he's dead - isnt' he?!?!?

No he isn't. I see him on the face of every child. In the smile of every baby.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by Zero
he's dead - isnt' he?!?!?


And your point is?

[Zero]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
No he isn't. I see him on the face of every child. In the smile of every baby.


*projectile vomits*

[AUSTIN316426808]

IA75- Bears and Packers are both in the playoffs. Packers lose by 21,Bears lose by 3. Do you brag about how you lost by 18 points less?

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
IA75- Bears and Packers are both in the playoffs. Packers lose by 21,Bears lose by 3. Do you brag about how you lost by 18 points less?

I'm too busy being pissed cuz we lost.

"A loss is a loss, a win is a win."

[AUSTIN316426808]

Just checking to see if I was the only one.

[AUSTIN316426808]

nevermind, just remembered the other thread,you said soccer.

[DraculaInDallas]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I never understand why yankee people use the ''we've got this many penants'' or ''look at all the rings'' because I really don't care. It's about the current/upcoming season.

Spoken like a loser who cheers for a shit team that wins something ONCE every 86 years!!!!!!!! :D

GO YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D


BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! :D

[AUSTIN316426808]

Spoken like a guy who hopped on a bandwagon because the Rangers suck:D

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Spoken like a guy who hopped on a bandwagon because the Rangers suck:D

KA-BLAMMO!

[bwind22]

Chicago @ Pittsburgh
St. Louis @ Minnesota

Hmmm.... I'd say it's about time to cut that division deficit down to 1.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by bwind22
Chicago @ Pittsburgh
St. Louis @ Minnesota

Hmmm.... I'd say it's about time to cut that division deficit down to 1.

We'll seeeee.... every time Sportscenter goes against us we win, so...

Plus Pitts lost 3 in a row, we've won 8... it doesn't matter who's played who, we're winning and they aren't. Bears win 16-10, Vikings lose 27-24

[bwind22]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
We'll seeeee.... every time Sportscenter goes against us we win, so...

Plus Pitts lost 3 in a row, we've won 8... it doesn't matter who's played who, we're winning and they aren't. Bears win 16-10, Vikings lose 27-24

that's just wishful thinking.

You're probably right that the Bears will only score 1 TD though. (Assuming you got them to 16 with 1 TD and 3 FGs.) And it probably won't be offensive either.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Now come one, I know you're not talking about wishful thinking? You've been doing a good bit of that all season.

Expecting that your 9-3 team who's won eight straight with the best D in the league to beat a team who's lost 3 straight with a QB who isn't a 100% and has been making some bad mistakes lately isn't wishful thinking, it's completely rational.

[XFeaRX]

Originally posted by bwind22
Chicago @ Pittsburgh
St. Louis @ Minnesota

Hmmm.... I'd say it's about time to cut that division deficit down to 1.

I wouldnt. St. Louis is the bomb diggity fresh! Rams fan for life!

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Now come one, I know you're not talking about wishful thinking? You've been doing a good bit of that all season.

Expecting that your 9-3 team who's won eight straight with the best D in the league to beat a team who's lost 3 straight with a QB who isn't a 100% and has been making some bad mistakes lately isn't wishful thinking, it's completely rational.

We shall see.

[ItsAlive75]

Fuckin' Kyle Orton is the poster boy for de-evolution at the quarterback position.

[bwind22]

MIN 27
STL 13


CHI 9
PIT 21

Well, not to say I told you all so.... But.... Well, yeah I guess that is my intention afterall!

I TOLD YOU SO! MuHAWHAHA!!!!

GO Vikes!!!!


Week 17 vs. Bears will be HUGE! Mark my words!

[MisterSadistro]

Doh ! Can't wait to see the papers all screaming for Rex Grossman to be starter now tomorrow. 8 straight brings "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" to mind and in Bears' fans' minds, it just broke LOL
CK

[Zero]

HOW 'BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by MisterSadistro
Doh ! Can't wait to see the papers all screaming for Rex Grossman to be starter now tomorrow. 8 straight brings "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" to mind and in Bears' fans' minds, it just broke LOL
CK

I kept saying don't pull Orton til they lose. They lost. Pull him.

[bwind22]

The Bears defense is one of the best in the league, but they aren't going anywhere with no offense. The Vikings are playing great football right now (On all sides of the ball, not just one.) and breathing down their necks... This week spelled the beginning of the end for the Chicago Bears dreamlike season.

Next week

Atl @ Chi
Pitt @ Min

We both have pretty good games next week and I could easily see both games going either way. Vikes and Bears could be evened up after all is said and done or the Bears could put that lead back to 2. Should be a good week of football...

[AUSTIN316426808]

This thread's been kinda quite since the Vikings lost their flicker of hope.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
The Bears defense is one of the best in the league, but they aren't going anywhere with no offense.



Not ''one of''...it's the best.

As for the offense issue, Grossman is healthy, I wouldn't say the McMahon era is back just yet but he looked pretty damn good Sunday.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Not ''one of''...it's the best.

As for the offense issue, Grossman is healthy, I wouldn't say the McMahon era is back just yet but he looked pretty damn good Sunday.

Ah, the thread's back.

Feelin' good. Bears have a competant QB, 6 pro bowlers... feelin' good. You guys should feel good too, you play Detroit this weekend.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Lovie Smith is a genius..

No announcement at all, leaves Orton in 'til halftime, then springs Grossman on the Falcons content secondary.

He knew the Falcons were going to run and try to make those backup safetys cheat up for play action so he never really stacked the line.

Blitzed Urlacher early to get Vick to make bad decision rather than scramble.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Lovie Smith is a genius..

No announcement at all, leaves Orton in 'til halftime, then springs Grossman on the Falcons content secondary.

He knew the Falcons were going to run and try to make those backup safetys cheat up for play action so he never really stacked the line.

Blitzed Urlacher early to get Vick to make bad decision rather than scramble.

I've never seen anybody match Vick step for step until I saw Urlacher chase him.

I'm waiting to see what happens when teams have a chance to make a gameplan against Grossman.

[XFeaRX]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Not ''one of''...it's the best.

As for the offense issue, Grossman is healthy, I wouldn't say the McMahon era is back just yet but he looked pretty damn good Sunday.

I guess you feel the bears have the best D because of the statistics and all the analysts tell you they are the best, but I feel the Bucs have the best D. I feel their D has a lot of heart.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by XFeaRX
I guess you feel the bears have the best D because of the statistics and all the analysts tell you they are the best, but I feel the Bucs have the best D. I feel their D has a lot of heart.

Yeah, who cares about cold hard data? Fuck facts, dude. You can use facts to prove anything.

Rudy had heart, and he played for one play.

[MisterSadistro]

A lame Green Bay for a division clincher this weekend ? Merry Christmas, Bears fans :D
CK

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by XFeaRX
I guess you feel the bears have the best D because of the statistics and all the analysts tell you they are the best, but I feel the Bucs have the best D. I feel their D has a lot of heart.



I feel the Bears have the best Defense because I've seen them play. They're athletic,fast,hard hitting and relentless, every single play they go full speed and hit the closest moving thing.

They shut down one of the top(1-5 not sure) rushing teams in the league while Alex Brown and Brian Urlacher took care of Micheal Vick. How often over the past six years have you been able to say ''took care of Michael Vick''?

Meanwhile that heart filled Defense you're talking about got burned 28-0.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by MisterSadistro
A lame Green Bay for a division clincher this weekend ? Merry Christmas, Bears fans :D
CK


No such thing as a ''lame'' Packers-Bears game.

[MisterSadistro]

I know. I'm not a football fan until late in the season every year (don't ask), but I'll always watch a Bears-Packers game. I mean Green Bay team itself is lame. What was score last week ? 48-3 or something like that ? ouch.
CK

[AUSTIN316426808]

I know what you mean, the tables are turned for the time being with the Bears headed to the playoffs and the Packers looking forward to the offseason but there are some games where that stuff doesn't matter.

Bears-Packers
Broncos-Chiefs
Cowboys-Redskins
Saints-Falcons

ect. ect.


Example- late 90's Packers were at the top 6-0, Bears sucked 2-5...game went down to a game winning touchdown drive with 44 seconds left.

[bwind22]

The Packers are gonna beat the Bears this weekend. The Bears haven't won at Lambeau in like 9 or 10 years. Despite their impending loss, the Bears could still clinch the division this week, it'll just be a question of whether the Vikes can beat the Ravens. I think we can. The Ravens are pretty weak, but ya never know with the Vikings... They're so damn hot or cold this year.


I've been saying it all along and I'm not gonna give it up now... Game 17 will be Vikes vs. Bears for the division.

[MisterSadistro]

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9805/28/hartman.snl/farley.jpg
"Final score ? Da Bears 178, Da Packers 2" :D
CK

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by bwind22
The Packers are gonna beat the Bears this weekend. The Bears haven't won at Lambeau in like 9 or 10 years.

Bears beat the Pack at Lambeau last season 21-10... WITH Rex Grossman. It was Lovie's first win as a coach.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Manning and James probably wont even play the whole first half, Harrison and June aren't playing at all.

I hate when teams do that.


R.I.P. JD:(

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Manning and James probably wont even play the whole first half, Harrison and June aren't playing at all.

I hate when teams do that.


R.I.P. JD:(

I would hope that Manning would at least start, he's got that string of consecutive starts to uphold.

And that is a sad note, that's terrible news about Dungy's son.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
I would hope that Manning would at least start, he's got that string of consecutive starts to uphold.

And that is a sad note, that's terrible news about Dungy's son.


Yeah he's starting, the only reason Harrison and June aren't playing at all is because of injury although if circumstances were different I think Harrison would play but June's is legitimate.


I was gonna do it anyway but now getting Sunday Ticket is a must for next season. The first game on Fox blacks out about 90% of the time and I'm stuck with the Texans every week.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I was gonna do it anyway but now getting Sunday Ticket is a must for next season. The first game on Fox blacks out about 90% of the time and I'm stuck with the Texans every week.

In Iowa we usually get Vikings games over Bears games... dunno why. How much is Sunday Ticket? Is it a monthly thing or one fat annual fee?

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
In Iowa we usually get Vikings games over Bears games... dunno why. How much is Sunday Ticket? Is it a monthly thing or one fat annual fee?



You can do it Sunday by Sunday,month to month or season to season. Don't remember exactly how much but it's a good chunk of change but you're getting every game for 17 weeks,well worth it.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
You can do it Sunday by Sunday,month to month or season to season. Don't remember exactly how much but it's a good chunk of change but you're getting every game for 17 weeks,well worth it.

Is it a digital cable thing or a dish thing?

[AUSTIN316426808]

Dish

[ItsAlive75]

Shit.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Apartments don't allow it?

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Apartments don't allow it?

I just don't have a dish, don't really have the scratch for it.

[AUSTIN316426808]

You watching the Colts game? This fucker actually coaching now.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
You watching the Colts game? This fucker actually coaching now.

I was watching til Manning came out. Honestly, does Seattle even know there's a right side of the field? All they do is run left... and it works.

[AUSTIN316426808]

They've got the best Tackle and Guard in the league so why not.

Wasn't really clear on that last post, Manning's the one I was talking about coaching, he's doing good, only problem is he aint running 'em.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
They've got the best Tackle and Guard in the league so why not.

Wasn't really clear on that last post, Manning's the one I was talking about coaching, he's doing good, only problem is he aint running 'em.

Not to mention Strong the fullback... that guy's so underrated (besides the whole pro-bowl thing this year).

He's coaching? That's pretty sweet. I'm sure they're losing anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter... plus they don't have to win this game or the next, so fuck it.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Not to mention Strong the fullback... that guy's so underrated (besides the whole pro-bowl thing this year).

He's coaching? That's pretty sweet. I'm sure they're losing anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter... plus they don't have to win this game or the next, so fuck it.


Yeah, he's got the headset on calling plays,changing plays and everytime Sorgi comes off the field he goes to Manning and/or the assistant coach.


Strong is underrated with or without the pro bowl pick, with the exception of Alstott(who's a running back anyway) fullbacks of leading rushers always make the pro bowl.


Speaking of the pro bowl, don't you think it's bullshit that Vick got in? And how about Mike Peterson not getting in?

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Speaking of the pro bowl, don't you think it's bullshit that Vick got in? And how about Mike Peterson not getting in?

I've always said Vick is the most overrated player in football.

I don't really follow the Jaguars so I wouldn't be able to tell ya if Peterson was any good. But linebackers are ALWAYS looked over. The pro bowl is a popularity contest anyway, but no one watches it so I could care less.

[bwind22]

Vikes choked. Damn, Tice is an idiot.

*Down by 2 scores with about 8 minutes to go. 4 and a couple on about the 40 and he fuckin' punts it.* :rolleyes:

Get some balls or get some heart or get the fuck off my football team, you fuckin' dumbass!

I really hope he gets fired in the off-season, but the Vikes 2nd half run might have saved his job. Damn it.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Technically it's not a choke if nobody expected it to happen.

Red Sox coming back on the Yanks from 0-3 was a choke..

Packers allowing the Eagles to convert a 4 and 26 was a choke..


Vikings not making the playoffs as bad as they are isn't a choke.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Technically it's not a choke if nobody expected it to happen.

Red Sox coming back on the Yanks from 0-3 was a choke..

Packers allowing the Eagles to convert a 4 and 26 was a choke..


Vikings not making the playoffs as bad as they are isn't a choke.

Vikings were winning and then they blew it. That's a choke. I wasn't refering to their whole season. All things considered, they'll be lucky to end it 7-9. That's better than I would have guessed at the start of the year.

[AUSTIN316426808]

I guess we just define the word differently...

A choke to you is a team who's winning,has a shot and losses, a choke to me is a team who doesn't do something they're expected to do.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
I guess we just define the word differently...

A choke to you is a team who's winning,has a shot and losses, a choke to me is a team who doesn't do something they're expected to do.

A choke to me is any time someone doesn't do something that they should. To me, the Vikings should have won yesterday. They didn't so that was a choke. It doesn't have to be confined to 1 game, but in this case, it happens to be.

I'd say we define it the same. We just had different expectations.

When the Vikings have a lead after halftime (Especially a TD or more), I expect them to win. Especially against a rotten offense like Baltimore and especially when we're containing Lewis like we were.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
Vikes choked. Damn, Tice is an idiot.

*Down by 2 scores with about 8 minutes to go. 4 and a couple on about the 40 and he fuckin' punts it.* :rolleyes:




Which 40 was it on?

If it's the Viks then I guess it's understandable(kinda) but if it was their 40 then I totally agree.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
A choke to me is any time someone doesn't do something that they should. To me, the Vikings should have won yesterday. They didn't so that was a choke. It doesn't have to be confined to 1 game, but in this case, it happens to be.

I'd say we define it the same. We just had different expectations.

When the Vikings have a lead after halftime (Especially a TD or more), I expect them to win. Especially against a rotten offense like Baltimore and especially when we're containing Lewis like we were.


Well I didn't see the game and with the holiday I took off right after the Packer game and missed Primetime. If you say it was a halftime lead against the Ravens without any production from Lewis then they indeed should've won, then when you throw the playoffs in(which were still on the line at the time) then it's indeed a choke.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Which 40 was it on?

If it's the Viks then I guess it's understandable(kinda) but if it was their 40 then I totally agree.

We were 40 yards from scoring an essential TD with about 8 minutes to go. Too far to kick a FG (Especially with that suckass Edinger.) but in my opinion, way too close to punt, and like you said... WIth the game and the playoffs on the line too!

I hate Tice. If I ever met him, I'd be getting arrested because I'd definately kick him in the balls.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
We were 40 yards from scoring an essential TD with about 8 minutes to go. Too far to kick a FG (Especially with that suckass Edinger.) but in my opinion, way too close to punt, and like you said... WIth the game and the playoffs on the line too!

I hate Tice. If I ever met him, I'd be getting arrested because I'd definately kick him in the balls.


What balls?

Punting from your 40 is showing confidence in your defense(but with the situation still a bit questionable)but punting from the other 40 is the exact opposite, showing no confidence in your defense or yourself for that matter.

With the Bears winning they weren't going to make the playoffs anyway so instead of being ticked off about it just look at that punt as most likely being the play that'll get you what you want...a new coach.

[bwind22]

What I want is a Vikings playoff run followed up by a surprise SuperBowl win. But since we blew that, a new coach will have to suffice.

I sure hope our little 6 game win streak (Through all the adversity of losing the starting QB and the Love Boat. :rolleyes: ) wasn't enough to save it for him.

[bwind22]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
With the Bears winning they weren't going to make the playoffs anyway so instead of being ticked off about it just look at that punt as most likely being the play that'll get you what you want...a new coach.

Well after the Bears won, my post-season hopes were pretty much deflated, BUT we were sstill alive in the WC race. (Albeit behind 2 other teams for the last spot.) but we had a chance (However slim, we woulda have played week 17 with playoffs on the line.) But they fucked that up...


Not a good enough record for the playoffs, but good enough to not be getting a good draft pick... Damn them! I swear that some day theiy're gonna result in the heart attack that eventually kills me.

bwind22
1980 - ???
Cause of death - Terminal letdown by way of Minnesota

[bwind22]

I actually knew somebody that had a heart attack and died after a terrible call during a Vikes game back in the late 80s.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by bwind22
good enough to not be getting a good draft pick...



I wouldn't say that...

Laurence Maroney,DeAngelo Williams,LenDale White....


One of 'em will still be there.

[ItsAlive75]

WOOOOO!!!! NFC North Division champs! What a merry Christmas I had. Now all I have to do is root against the Cowboys cuz I'd give anything to see "The Tuna" happy.

I think I'll root for the Redskins.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Random entry...

I would be excited about the Saints getting Matt Lienart but the last couple of times we've drafted Heisman trophy winners they've either sucked or got loaded and joined a cult.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
got loaded and joined a cult.

Who?

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Who?



Ricky Williams

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by AUSTIN316426808
Ricky Williams

ahh..... yeah, he went a little nutty.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Little nutty?

You should've seen his special on 60 minutes,20/20 or whichever one it was, he completely flipped out. Some people just can't take pressure. The cult part wasn't a joke either, though I wouldn't say it was a cult but it was this ''community'' of people who lived in tents and just read books and prayed all day which now that I think about it does sound like a cult.

[ItsAlive75]

Not that I follow the Dolphins now or anything, but the boys on NFL Live seem to think he's "coming back to form". If I was a Miami resident I wouldn't care if he was good or not, I'd hate the fucker.

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Not that I follow the Dolphins now or anything, but the boys on NFL Live seem to think he's "coming back to form". If I was a Miami resident I wouldn't care if he was good or not, I'd hate the fucker.


Actually, Dolphins fans should love that he's getting back into form(which I agree with)because the better he is by season's end the better trade deal they'll get for him.

If I had to guess I'd say they'll get about a conditional 3rd or 4th. With one game left and the Phins out of playoff contention they might let him get alot of playing time this week as a showcase for interested teams.

[bwind22]

You think the Dolphins are gonna trade him?

If my entire offense consisted of 1 good WR (Chambers) and 1 good RB (Williams), I don't think I'd be looking at trading either of them.