Death Penalty

[Rotting Eye]

I'm gunna make a few threads about controversial issues. You don't have to start arguing about them, I just want to know what everyone thinks. But you can post an opinion if you want. Just be aware someone is probably going to argue with you.

Notice the options. I made two sets of options, which are pretty much the same, just some depend on how much you know about the topic. So pick between the two. Whether you know about the topic or not. There's a big difference between someone who's educated about a subject, and someone who decides blindly.

[cheebacheeba]

One who HAS intentionally killed, should BE killed.
Too many killers lead semi-comfortable (albeit imprisoned) govt. funded lives after they have murdered others for their own purposes.
I hate that these kind of people are able to hide behind loopholes placed by legal representation after they may have taken away somebodys father, daughter, brother...etc.
As for accidental manslaughter, I think contributing factors should be carefully analysed.
Oh yeah, and I think the whole "temporary insanity" thing is just another bullshit loophole for fucking cowards.
-B.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
One who HAS intentionally killed, should BE killed.
Too many killers lead semi-comfortable (albeit imprisoned) govt. funded lives after they have murdered others for their own purposes.
I hate that these kind of people are able to hide behind loopholes placed by legal representation after they may have taken away somebodys father, daughter, brother...etc.
As for accidental manslaughter, I think contributing factors should be carefully analysed.
Oh yeah, and I think the whole "temporary insanity" thing is just another bullshit loophole for fucking cowards.
-B.

Here's some information for you Cheeba...You cannot get the death penalty for accidental manslaughter, it isn't even an option...

The death penalty is only considered where intent is proven beyond a reasonable doubt...And even then, if someone is standing over the still warm corpse, holding a blood dripping knife in his hand, saying "That's what you get Fucker", right in front of a judge and jury...The death penalty STILL won't be considered...UNLESS...There are "extenuating circumstances"...ie: The murderer has to be in the commission of at least one other crime at the time of the murder, to even be considered for the death penalty...Such as...Killing more than one person...Committing acts of rape, robbery, burglary, arson, terrorism, etcetera...during the commission of the murder...So, no need to worry about the poor, unfortunate, accidental manslaughterer...

The only people considered for the death penalty are those who MORE than deserve it...Feel better now?:)

[Haunted]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Here's some information for you Cheeba...You cannot get the death penalty for accidental manslaughter, it isn't even an option...

The death penalty is only consider where intent is proven beyond a reasonable doubt...And even then, if someone is standing over the still warm corpse, holding a blood dripping knife in his hand, saying "That's what you get Fucker", right in front of a judge and jury...The death penalty STILL won't be considered...UNLESS...There are "extenuating circumstances"...ie: The murderer has to be in the commission of at least one other crime at the time of the murder, to even be considered for the death penalty...Such as...Killing more than one person...Committing acts of rape, robbery, burglary, arson, terrorism, etcetera...during the commission of the murder...So, no need to worry about the poor, unfortunate, accidental manslaughterer...

The only people considered for the death penalty are those who MORE than deserve it...Feel better now?:)

Go Bloodrayne!!

Premeditation is also a factor.

Not to build or take away from what Rayne said, but I think the death penalty needs to be taken away again until they can make sure it's absolutely fair.

See in the seventies, the death penalty was abolished because the legal system was concerned that it might fall under, "cruel and unusual punishment." The courts began working on the problem by creating my options for the convicted, such as the lethal injection option. Also this time was used to significantly limit the amount of time a prisoner waits on death row. Once the courts felt like they had a better handle on death sentencing, the death penalty was reinstated.

The problem now is race. A majority of the inmates on death row are black. It is less likely for a white man to get the death penalty than it is for a black man. So I think that racial fairness should be considered.

[cheebacheeba]

Yeah, right, cheeba's an idiot....I agree totally.

[Dreaming Girl]

Death is too kind for certain people.

Rather than experiment on animals, scientists should be experimenting on pedophiles and violent, purposeful killers. Let them truly taste the hand of karma.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
Yeah, right, cheeba's an idiot....I agree totally.

LOL @ Cheeba...Maybe I can try to make you feel better again...I was only stating the death penalty laws as they stand in America...They may very well be different in Australia...And they are DEFINITELY different in most parts of the Middle East, where a child can have his hand chopped off for stealing a loaf of bread, or a woman's father may be forced to chop off his married daughter's head, in a public arena, for "infidelity and impurity", if she has been raped by another man...I'm quite appreciative for OUR justice system, as flawed as it may be

[Je Suis Phnomne]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
Oh yeah, and I think the whole "temporary insanity" thing is just another bullshit loophole for fucking cowards.
-B.

cheeba for the most part I agree with you however in instances such as temporary insanity, and perfect example would be Francine Hughes *played by Farrah Fawcet in the movie The Burning Bed* This woman was brutalized and though many will say things like "she should know better than to stay there" or "why didnt she just take her kids and run" Unfortunately it is not that easy, this woman truly feared for her life and felt the only way to be free of that fear was to take that bastards life that caused her the torment. Under other circumstances *white picket fence, PTA, loving husband, etc* this woman would most likely have never considered an action such as this. That "temporary insanity" drove her to do those things, and now that that fear is removed she may never commit such a crime again.

Originally posted by Haunted
Premeditation is also a factor.

The problem now is race. A majority of the inmates on death row are black. It is less likely for a white man to get the death penalty than it is for a black man. So I think that racial fairness should be considered.

Premeditated murder can also fall under that "temporary insanity" clause. Now if as cheeba said, if the premeditated murder is enacted for personal gain, IE: money, power, the dog in the alley told me to do it, then I say light em up.

As for race..... Crime doesnt have a race, they are on death row because a jury of their peers put them there. Black, White, Yellow, Green....doesnt matter. While I dont agree with murderers getting a "deal" simply because they could afford a better lawyer, or that their family has power etc. Its a factor that we have to endure and hope for the best. I dont truly believe that these juries that sentence a person to death is doing it for the entertainment value of seeing a human life extinguished, its not an easy decision to make and one that I hope I dont have to be a part of ever. But if it means that society is safer by not having this person on this planet any longer then its a decision that MUST be made. Life in prison = MORE tax money taken out of my hard earned money to give a criminal the things that I pay a great deal for each and every month while making an honest living...

[Haunted]

Originally posted by Je Suis Phnomne

As for race..... Crime doesnt have a race, they are on death row because a jury of their peers put them there. Black, White, Yellow, Green....doesnt matter. While I dont agree with murderers getting a "deal" simply because they could afford a better lawyer, or that their family has power etc. Its a factor that we have to endure and hope for the best. I dont truly believe that these juries that sentence a person to death is doing it for the entertainment value of seeing a human life extinguished, its not an easy decision to make and one that I hope I dont have to be a part of ever. But if it means that society is safer by not having this person on this planet any longer then its a decision that MUST be made. Life in prison = MORE tax money taken out of my hard earned money to give a criminal the things that I pay a great deal for each and every month while making an honest living...

I see your point. Crime has no ethnicity, you are so right. The argument concerning race is one of the "anti death" arguments. Not having been in the courtroom myself, I don't know for certain whether or not it's a valid argument, but I thought you guys would be interested in hearing it. With the advent of DNA testing...well there's less room for mistake, right?

To tell the truth, I don't know where I stand on the death penalty issue. In high school my best friend's dad was murdered. I asked my friend, what he wanted to have happen. He wanted the guy to live a long and horrible life knowing what he'd done. He didn't want the murderer to get "death." However, had someone murdered my dad, I'd want them strung up at the nearest tree, but I question whether I'm justified in wanting that. I guess maybe, I'm trying too hard to be compassionate.

[BudMan]

I say if someone is tried and convicted beyond a reasonable doubt of "murder", I'm not talking manslaughter, I'm talking cold blooded murder, than let the bastard fry.