Pros and cons of a PAL camera

[Angelakillsluts]

Someone told me that PAL is better quality than NTSC and that if I had a PAL camera and converted it to NTSC the footage would look better than with a NTSC camera. Truth, lies? Any other things to consider when looking at a PAL camera? More specifically, the Panasonic AG-DVX100BE. If someone needed another camera person with a DVX would there be a problem with me having a PAL camera or would it just get converted without any second thought to it. I never thought about it at all, I always thought that you didn't even look at PAL cameras if you were in North America. :confused:

It costs almost 150$ less for the PAL version.

[MisterSadistro]

PAL shoots at 25 frames per second as opposed to NTSC which shoots almost 30. Real film shoots at 24, which is likely why you were pointed in that direction.
Glad to hear you're still at it btw :D
CK

[slasherman]

..I dont know whats the best system...but its no problem converting from PAL to NTSC or the other way around....but I guess NTSC is better since it got 30 frames per second ...but remember pixels ( more pixels = better) and 3CCD are also important...next camera I buying gonna be HD....

[MisterSadistro]

Pardon me, Slasher, but I have to ask just out out mild curiousity : ARE YOU INSANE ? I just need to ask since it sounds like you've never shot a movie before then tried to actually convert it one way or the other after capturing it to to it's standard format. Going back and forth between DVD formats alone is bad enough (hence my entire Russ Meyer collection explained), but to shoot in one format and try to capture as another is seriously unwatchable at best if even possible. Long gaps, paused pics, etc. It just doesn't work with the flip of a switch like that. Try putting a Betamax tape into a VHS VCR because the tapes themselves have similar styles. Doesn't quite work. I've been thumbing through huge articles for months now on the subject so I can make my current movie stop looking so much like it was shot on video and more like film and even the best of the best are clueless on a simple solution. That's why PAL is a preferred alternative to actual film since they have similar fps look.
Angela, sweetheart, if it comes down to it, stick with an NTSC camera for now and save yourself a lot of capturing-rendering headaches. Some Hi Def cams shoot at 24 and look absoulutely amazing (but I can't mention film I worked on since anti-spam beliefs). hmmmm I'll leave website address with a missing letter for you to figue out. ok ?
http://_ _ _.springbreakmassacre.com

The DP was Silas Tyler, who not only being a technical wiz is a great guy. I'll ask him to e-mail you more details than you'd like if interested.
Shame on you, SM.
CK

[slasherman]

Originally posted by MisterSadistro
Pardon me, Slasher, but I have to ask just out out mild curiousity : ARE YOU INSANE ? I just need to ask since it sounds like you've never shot a movie before then tried to actually convert it one way or the other after capturing it to to it's standard format.

...actually I havnt done it...I use PAL cause I live in Europe...but it dont look hard to convert it into NTSC ...but I guess you have tried...and if you have a shitty pc it probably take a long time :D

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by MisterSadistro
Pardon me, Slasher, but I have to ask just out out mild curiousity : ARE YOU INSANE ? I just need to ask since it sounds like you've never shot a movie before then tried to actually convert it one way or the other after capturing it to to it's standard format. Going back and forth between DVD formats alone is bad enough (hence my entire Russ Meyer collection explained), but to shoot in one format and try to capture as another is seriously unwatchable at best if even possible. Long gaps, paused pics, etc. It just doesn't work with the flip of a switch like that. Try putting a Betamax tape into a VHS VCR because the tapes themselves have similar styles. Doesn't quite work. I've been thumbing through huge articles for months now on the subject so I can make my current movie stop looking so much like it was shot on video and more like film and even the best of the best are clueless on a simple solution. That's why PAL is a preferred alternative to actual film since they have similar fps look.
Angela, sweetheart, if it comes down to it, stick with an NTSC camera for now and save yourself a lot of capturing-rendering headaches. Some Hi Def cams shoot at 24 and look absoulutely amazing (but I can't mention film I worked on since anti-spam beliefs). hmmmm I'll leave website address with a missing letter for you to figue out. ok ?
http://_ _ _.springbreakmassacre.com

The DP was Silas Tyler, who not only being a technical wiz is a great guy. I'll ask him to e-mail you more details than you'd like if interested.
Shame on you, SM.
CK

I'm sooo glad, I asked you.

That movie looks really good, I'm scared of HD cameras though. :( I've never used one and I've heard that everything is a lot more complicated. PM me all your "spam" by the way, I'm totally interested in it. :)

[tonemeister]

pal does look better than ntsc that's a fact but converting is time consuming, expensive and a huge pain in the ass. we just shot our new movie in hd. worth every penny....the hd software to edit was a little pricey, hd uses almost triple the hard drive space and regular digital video but the picture quality is totally incredible.

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by tonemeister
pal does look better than ntsc that's a fact but converting is time consuming, expensive and a huge pain in the ass. we just shot our new movie in hd. worth every penny....the hd software to edit was a little pricey, hd uses almost triple the hard drive space and regular digital video but the picture quality is totally incredible.

What about lighting for high definition? What camera did you use?

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by MisterSadistro
PAL shoots at 25 frames per second as opposed to NTSC which shoots almost 30. Real film shoots at 24, which is likely why you were pointed in that direction.
Glad to hear you're still at it btw :D
CK

Thank-you for linking me to the dvxuser website btw. I would have been ripped off big time if I hadn't went there. I checked the reseller rating of the site I was buying from and it was horror story after horror story. How is it legal for these scammers to do "business" anyway?

Anyway I did find a good price for a used one that I bought. :) Now I have to wait for it to be shipped here... *paces* *worries* I was so nervous before talking to him but now I'm pretty confident that everything will go as planned. :p

Thanks for all the help, any advice for hiding the big goofy smile on my face and getting sleep at night? :D

[MisterSadistro]

Thanks for all the help, any advice for hiding the big goofy smile on my face and getting sleep at night?

Watch any movie directed by Uwe Boll. It will first bore you to tears and then put you to sleep. I hope that helps :D
CK