I'm sick of it................

[allmykids]

I just saw a show talking about kids targeted as trouble makers. the fact that they wear black, have tats, listen to so called satanic music, watch horror movies, play vidio games and wear goth. they have even been kicked out of school because of it. also told they where going to be killers.

I think this is bullshit!! people like this seem to be the most sane at least to me. Us so called freaks seem to have our shit together better than most.

What do you guys think??

[moonsorrow]

i think im one of them, so im pretty damn sick of it to, they kicked me and my friend out of the army for it, i was a good soldier but anything he tuched turned to gold... but if we wear black, listen to metal watch horror and so fourth we are worthless to them. you simpley have to tone down when going to a job interview or youl NEVER get hierd no matter how much experience you have under your belt.

aint just shcools and work and so on, general public has an eye out for you, you start notecing things like when your going thrugh a mall your always being followed by a cuple security guards, cops are much more likeley to do a "knife controll" when they see you, frisk you and all. going out for a beer on the weekend usualy gets me into truble, and im ALWAYS peacefull untill provoked.

what realy concerns me is that my little brother wants to be just like me though, he wants tatts, has old mans child in his record collection....he is 8 btw... always wants to wear black.

all becuase of varg vikernes, gave us all this rep we have to live with, id eat his face while he was still sruggeling if i ever got the chance.

[Gren the cake]

that's like saying 'im sOOOOO tired of only blacks and mexicans being portrayed as gangsters. they arent all drug dealing, high school drop outs!'

i went to bodyworlds a few months ago and who stole the 15 week old fetus? thats right, some damn goth kids

stereotypes do come from somewhere. that doesnt mean that they apply to EVERY person of that certain look/belief/religion etc

but fact of the matter is, yes, a bunch of people who dress as gangbangers usually ARE gangbangin. just like a bunch of kids who dress in all black and listen to 'death metal' or whatever tend to be the depressed, supposedly 'individual, just too cool' for everyone else, type. so what? you have a problem with the stereotype, change it. theres every kind of stereotype there, it's a problem when you let it get to you.

every fuckin goth whore i met in school was a fuckin moron just as what was probably described in that program. i was nice as fuck to them, just chillin out and speaking to them LIKE I SPEAK TO ANYONE ELSE, but they evidently had problems having nothing to do with me, and way before, i came into the picture.

[moonsorrow]

ach...fuckin hell... yeah you do find a cuple retards in the black metal comunity, like "natterfrost" from bloodline or carpathian forest, or the random wackos who get a boner from stealing a corpse etc...
but thats a verry small percentage, the stereo type does not get a high when stealing a fedus, and it pisses me off majorley to hear someone say that.
and alot of goths have the "im so depressed and sad and tough" attitude i`ll give you that one, but thats no majority either.

Originally posted by Gren the cake
that's like saying 'im sOOOOO tired of only blacks and mexicans being portrayed as gangsters. they arent all drug dealing, high school drop outs!'

i went to bodyworlds a few months ago and who stole the 15 week old fetus? thats right, some damn goth kids

stereotypes do come from somewhere. that doesnt mean that they apply to EVERY person of that certain look/belief/religion etc

but fact of the matter is, yes, a bunch of people who dress as gangbangers usually ARE gangbangin. just like a bunch of kids who dress in all black and listen to 'death metal' or whatever tend to be the depressed, supposedly 'individual, just too cool' for everyone else, type. so what? you have a problem with the stereotype, change it. theres every kind of stereotype there, it's a problem when you let it get to you.

every fuckin goth whore i met in school was a fuckin moron just as what was probably described in that program. i was nice as fuck to them, just chillin out and speaking to them LIKE I SPEAK TO ANYONE ELSE, but they evidently had problems having nothing to do with me, and way before, i came into the picture.

[Gren the cake]

cant say that ive met TOO many, but living in san diego, we have every sort of person here. and yeh, ive pretty much had every kind of friend imagineable (various races, religions, as well as the nerd, jock, cheerleader, AzIaN pRyDe, mexican, thug...) but NOT a goth one.

a couple emo ones sure... but no goth. there was this one guy in particular, who i thought to talk to once, but the second he opened his mouth, all that came out was crap. he was a jerk, couldnt relax, and everything was just so LAME to him.

and yeh.... when i was at bodyworlds. i DID notice the goth kids. it was a full fukin forum becuz it was the last weekend it was open, THOUSANDS of people. I noticed em and i kinda laughed, said something to my bf. and what do i find out a couple days later? 2 of the fucktards stole one of the specimens. like DUDE, I just fuckin saw that thing, and i just fuckin saw you guys. how incredibly RUDE can anyone be

my bf said something like 'theyre probably running into hot topic, showing it off'

and no, i dont think they ever got their specimen back. but you'd think. if they were going to steal something, youd think theyd try and dress in a way to draw a little less attn to themselves?

[moonsorrow]

obviousley didnt get enough attention when they were kids...jesus im proud of myself, im keeping my temper completley out of controll, but at least you got some brains to back your convictions... so it would seam at least...
think about this, how manny metal heads or goths have you met, walked by or seen from a distance that havent stolen a fedus, corpse or havent cut them selves in a mock suicide? im betting thats quite a few am i right?
the simple fact is that its the bad shit that sticks to your brain.

i know alot of these boys and girls, probabley met 90% of oslos content of em, and just like anyone else they go to school, go to work, have a family and otherwise live a pretty normal life. but there is NO society without it mongrils and motards.

Originally posted by Gren the cake
cant say that ive met TOO many, but living in san diego, we have every sort of person here. and yeh, ive pretty much had every kind of friend imagineable (various races, religions, as well as the nerd, jock, cheerleader, AzIaN pRyDe, mexican, thug...) but NOT a goth one.

a couple emo ones sure... but no goth. there was this one guy in particular, who i thought to talk to once, but the second he opened his mouth, all that came out was crap. he was a jerk, couldnt relax, and everything was just so LAME to him.

and yeh.... when i was at bodyworlds. i DID notice the goth kids. it was a full fukin forum becuz it was the last weekend it was open, THOUSANDS of people. I noticed em and i kinda laughed, said something to my bf. and what do i find out a couple days later? 2 of the fucktards stole one of the specimens. like DUDE, I just fuckin saw that thing, and i just fuckin saw you guys. how incredibly RUDE can anyone be

my bf said something like 'theyre probably running into hot topic, showing it off'

and no, i dont think they ever got their specimen back. but you'd think. if they were going to steal something, youd think theyd try and dress in a way to draw a little less attn to themselves?

[Gren the cake]

hmm, well im glad your keeping BACK your temper. Im hardly coming on here and tauting 'oh you guys just need to get happy and dress normally and maybe things will be alright!'

it's that defensiveness, and temper that is exactly WHY 'you people' get that stereotype. and why 'people like me' dont like 'yall' (im quote happy right now)

have i met that many? no. probably 5.. no more than 10. but i aint shittin you, every fuckin one was a dick. why is it that everyone else i can chat with, and im not talking about 'hey, want to talk politics?' im just tlaking about an assignment in class, or maybe about how lame the teacher was, how your day went... they hafto have such a hard time with? Im just trying to be nice, and they want to have an issue.

fact is, if i cant even talk with them about that, why wuold i stick around long enough TO find out about whether theyve stolen a fetus, cut themselves.. or on the other hand, saved someones life, volunteered at a homeless shelter, etc etc...

[moonsorrow]

guess your shit outa luck then, swing by norway and i`ll buy you a (8 FUCKIN dollar!) beer and show you what the majority is like...

temper doesnt realy come from the clothes though, born with hot blood and im having a shitty week, but im a happy guy usualy, we all have our ups and downs right?

EDIT: P.S. im supporting an organisation to keep a cuple animals from going extinct

Originally posted by Gren the cake
hmm, well im glad your keeping BACK your temper. Im hardly coming on here and tauting 'oh you guys just need to get happy and dress normally and maybe things will be alright!'

it's that defensiveness, and temper that is exactly WHY 'you people' get that stereotype. and why 'people like me' dont like 'yall' (im quote happy right now)

have i met that many? no. probably 5.. no more than 10. but i aint shittin you, every fuckin one was a dick. why is it that everyone else i can chat with, and im not talking about 'hey, want to talk politics?' im just tlaking about an assignment in class, or maybe about how lame the teacher was, how your day went... they hafto have such a hard time with? Im just trying to be nice, and they want to have an issue.

fact is, if i cant even talk with them about that, why wuold i stick around long enough TO find out about whether theyve stolen a fetus, cut themselves.. or on the other hand, saved someones life, volunteered at a homeless shelter, etc etc...

[sandy_x]

I had this problem when i was at school becose i wore black and read edgar allan poe and wrote papers on horror movies my teachers treated me alot harsher than other kids who were alot worse than i was so i started missing school and hanging around museums and cafes hence why i cant spell lol.
one teacher ofered to read the bible with me ffs i told him i didnt believe in religion and he told the kids in my class that i was evil what a pratt.

[bloodrayne]

I know quite a few people that some consider 'goth'....As with any 'group' of people, we are all individuals, we are not all the same...There are good people and bad people in any group (whether that group be defined by race, age, gender or 'clique')...


The people that I know and hang out with personally are NOT whiny/depressed people...Who wants to be brought down by people like that?...BTW...Check the stats on your 'depressed, medicated' people, MANY are wealthy, white and 'look normal'...odd, huh?...I only know of 2 people (that live near here) that are on anti-depressants, and they wouldn't be considered 'goth' by any stretch of the imagination, as a matter of fact, they don't even like the way 'goth' people dress...

I've been on this forum for nearly 2 years...So has my daughter...You have met Sergio, too...Many people call us 'goth'...Have we ever seemed depressed or suicidal to you?...I'm usually always happy...Of course, we ALL have our moments and have to deal with life's little 'setbacks' at times...And we are far from illiterate...

Neither me, my family, nor any of our friends have ever stolen anything...And I don't know of anyone that is involved in any 'criminal activity'

I have never heard of any domestic disputes, wife beating, or child abuse in the goth community that I am familiar with...

I don't know any 'goths' that are considered 'whores'...Well, okay, there is this one guy...but...We just say he's popular with women:)...

The people I know can carry on deep and intelligent conversations, and even debate topics without becoming enraged and/or beligerant...Most are very creative, talented, witty, introspective people...They all have jobs and pay their own bills...They are musicians, artists, designers and writers, in addition to having 'normal jobs' at the same time...One is an airport security guard, one works in a warehouse, 2 work at Hot Topic :p...And the list goes on and on...

Some of us DO shop at Hot Topic, because we don't really care much for the tight, lowcut jeans, and skimpy, halfshirts that you can't breathe in, that you find just about anywhere else these days...

AND...The way we dress IS 'normal' to us...

BTW...People usually DO tend to get 'defensive' when they are being insulted/attacked...I don't think that's so much a 'goth' thing, as it is a HUMAN thing...

Although...I would like to point out that I am not being defensive at this time...I'm only stating my opinion based on my knowledge and experience pertaining to this particular topic...


You can't judge an entire group of people based on the actions of a few...


And, honestly Fluff...No offense...But, I'm not surprised that some people wouldn't be very interested in talking to you...Some people click, and some people don't...Some types of people get on other people's nerves ;)