Simple curiosity poll

[TheBossInTheWall]

Originally Posted by Jake.Ashworth

This is just a quick grab from a scientific web site.

Biological Gender (sex) includes physical attributes such as external genitalia, sex chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, and internal reproductive structures. At birth, it is used to assign sex, that is, to identify individuals as male or female.

By that standard, Gender determines sex based on these things, you are either male or female unless a genetic deformation occurs in the womb at which point there is an option C. But everything beyond option C is just a made up construct in a persons mind. All of this gender confusion is an unfortunate side effect of the way society has backed away from the standard "male" and "female" roles, out of fear of offending people. Everything beyond option C only exists out of political correctness and the fear of offending others. The more we back away from the standards that brought our race to where it is today, the more our children will become confused about their identities. If you tell a child they can be a unicorn if they want to be, most will choose to be a unicorn, but alas, they are not a unicorn. Gender is not a choice, it is given to us in our genetic make up.

What website? Why do you value its definition so much? Or am I incorrect in that assumption? I'm curious, not saying you're wrong to think so. : )

What standard male and female roles are you talking about?
The unicorn analogy is the same kind of analogy that if gay people can get married so can a dog and a person. Its irrelevant and in case of the god and person very insulting and vile. Truly believing you are a unicorn is psychosis, where as believing you are a certain gender is not. I think the more and more people that explore gender the less we'll all care about it in general, letting people be what they are without giving them any kind of role.

Its not about confusion either. Its about exploring and choosing for yourself. Being allowed to be what you want to be.

Politically correct? How is treating someone with basic respect and dignity the same as, what I'm assuming here, special treatment?

[horcrux2007]

I think there shouldn't even be a significant difference between man and woman. A different set of genitals shouldn't decide how you want to act. You're born male or female; man or woman is just how you want to act.

[Sculpt]

If one thinks they are a different gender, than their body, what is doing the disagreeing?

The brain is the body. What's disagreeing?

[Roiffalo]

Originally Posted by horcrux2007

I think there shouldn't even be a significant difference between man and woman. A different set of genitals shouldn't decide how you want to act. You're born male or female; man or woman is just how you want to act.

I love this.

[TheBossInTheWall]

Originally Posted by Sculpt

If one thinks they are a different gender, than their body, what is doing the disagreeing?

The brain is the body. What's disagreeing?

That I dunno. Never looked into research studies. I vaguely remember that in some people some sort of amount of genetic markers(correct term?) were higher in the 'opposite' sex of what they were born with. Horrible explanation. Brain not working so well tonight.

[Sculpt]

Originally Posted by horcrux2007

I think there shouldn't even be a significant difference between man and woman. A different set of genitals shouldn't decide how you want to act. You're born male or female; man or woman is just how you want to act.

Interesting. We have a totally different life experience within our own bodies.

My male body (of course, includes my brain) gave me no choice as to "how I want to act" (in regards to sexual attraction). Never had a thought/desire outside an attractive sexually mature woman. Wasn't "a choice of how to act". Never. Not at all. Never a second.

It's like suggesting I chose not to want to eat the light switch in my room. No, it actually never occurred to me.

Originally Posted by TheBossInTheWall

That I dunno. Never looked into research studies. I vaguely remember that in some people some sort of amount of genetic markers(correct term?) were higher in the 'opposite' sex of what they were born with. Horrible explanation. Brain not working so well tonight.

I don't even know what that sentence means. Can you rephrase it?

To date, there are no genetic markers regarding homosexuality or "gender" (that is the existence of gender separate from sexual organs). None.

Seriously, don't believe the BS people say. Prove me wrong with a scientific periodical that has survived basic logical peer review.

That aside, the question I asked any adult can answer. Requires no research, just basic logic (such as process of elimination).

If one thinks they are a different gender, than their body, what is doing the disagreeing?

The brain is the body. What's disagreeing?

[MichaelMyers]

Originally Posted by Sculpt

Interesting. We have a totally different life experience within our own bodies.

My male body (of course, includes my brain) gave me no choice as to "how I want to act". Never had a thought/desire outside an attractive sexually mature woman. Wasn't "a choice of how to act". Never. Not at all. Never a second.

It's like suggesting I chose not to want to eat the light switch in my room. No, it actually never occurred to me.


I don't even know what that sentence means. Do you?

To date, there are no genetic markers regarding homosexuality or "gender" (that is the existence of gender separate from sexual organs). None.

Seriously, don't believe the BS people say. Prove me wrong with a scientific periodical that has survived basic logical peer review.

That aside, the question I asked any adult can answer. Requires no research, just basic logic (such as process of elimination).

Sculpt I think I get it. An invading spirit is whispering and planting these suggestions in the brain? Is that it?

[Jake.Ashworth]

Originally Posted by TheBossInTheWall

What website? Why do you value its definition so much? Or am I incorrect in that assumption? I'm curious, not saying you're wrong to think so. : )

What standard male and female roles are you talking about?
The unicorn analogy is the same kind of analogy that if gay people can get married so can a dog and a person. Its irrelevant and in case of the god and person very insulting and vile. Truly believing you are a unicorn is psychosis, where as believing you are a certain gender is not. I think the more and more people that explore gender the less we'll all care about it in general, letting people be what they are without giving them any kind of role.

Its not about confusion either. Its about exploring and choosing for yourself. Being allowed to be what you want to be.

Politically correct? How is treating someone with basic respect and dignity the same as, what I'm assuming here, special treatment?

I value the opinion of science, we are creating confusion by diluting the definition of gender. If to many options are introduced, ever, it causes confusion. If a large portion of those options are make believe, as are the 11 gender options available now, then we will force confusion in an attempt to not offend someone who technically needs treatment for the psycological issue causing the confusion. We as a society are pandering to the very few at the risk of causing more damage.

[TheBossInTheWall]

I'm bowing out of this discussion guys. Its become too intense and serious. I'm here to enjoy talking about horror with sometimes other genres of film/books/games, I don't want this discussion to bleed into/color each of us in conversing in other parts of the forums. Let's let it go and move on? :)

[MichaelMyers]

Originally Posted by Jake.Ashworth

I value the opinion of science, we are creating confusion by diluting the definition of gender. If to many options are introduced, ever, it causes confusion. If a large portion of those options are make believe, as are the 11 gender options available now, then we will force confusion in an attempt to not offend someone who technically needs treatment for the psycological issue causing the confusion. We as a society are pandering to the very few at the risk of causing more damage.

I take your point. Third gender might lead to fourth gender, fifth, sixth, seventh, eight genders ad infinitum. But is social confusion OK if it helps the psychologically disturbed feel better?