Simple curiosity poll

[Roiffalo]

Originally Posted by TheBossInTheWall

I definitely know its not simple. :)

Just pokin' fun at your topic title.

[TheBossInTheWall]

Originally Posted by Roiffalo

Just pokin' fun at your topic title.

Hah. Wanker. ;)

[ChronoGrl]

Originally Posted by TheBossInTheWall

I know about the cis gender label, but like I said earlier it was just a quick post. As far as cis gender, I can understand its use, but I do not like someone telling me what I am and telling me I'm cis gendered man does not describe me.

The "cis" label is as common in the discussion as the "trans" label is, so it's really not that unreasonable to request it be included. And you missed the point that by excluding "cis man" then you are insinuating that "trans man" is in opposition to and not "man," which is not true.

Also, if you read my post as me "telling you what you are"... You're wrong.

Oops. Told you what you are again.

[TheBossInTheWall]

Originally Posted by ChronoGrl

The "cis" label is as common in the discussion as the "trans" label is, so it's really not that unreasonable to request it be included. And you missed the point that by excluding "cis man" then you are insinuating that "trans man" is in opposition to and not "man," which is not true.

Also, if you read my post as me "telling you what you are"... You're wrong.

Oops. Told you what you are again.

I disagree. Whether or not trans is as important as cis, it is much more in the awareness of the general public than cis. Its not an unreasonable request, but this was just a quickly typed up poll for a passing interest.

Picking one option that I excluded doesn't fit the narrative. There are, as Roifallo posted, many many more genders than the ones I put in the poll. Am I then invalidating all of those genders and insinuating many many many different things? I do not think so.

I do concede it probably would have been better to just ask the question without the poll.

Lastly, there is no need to condescend me.

[anglewitch]

Originally Posted by MichaelMyers

I am a Rastafarian dwarf.

[ChronoGrl]

Originally Posted by TheBossInTheWall

I disagree. Whether or not trans is as important as cis, it is much more in the awareness of the general public than cis. Its not an unreasonable request, but this was just a quickly typed up poll for a passing interest.

Picking one option that I excluded doesn't fit the narrative. There are, as Roifallo posted, many many more genders than the ones I put in the poll. Am I then invalidating all of those genders and insinuating many many many different things? I do not think so.

I do concede it probably would have been better to just ask the question without the poll.

Lastly, there is no need to condescend me.

Not sure you want to bring the word "important" into the discussion - That creates a hierarchy and opens your argument to directions that I'm not sure you intended to or wanted to go. My point was that it commonly exists within the conversation along with gender labels such as "trans."

Lastly, I wasn't condescending, I was matching tone - You accused me of forcing a label on you, which I did not, so I answered in turn. There is no need to be defensive.

[Straker]

I'm a man, with an impressive beard.

[Jake.Ashworth]

I apologize if this ends up being unpopular, but realistically there are only two genders. Everything else is more of a state of mind/mental condition, more than it is a gender. As you can see by the poll, Male and Female are the only real options. The others couldn't really be considered genders, short of the very rare cases in which people are born with both sets, so maybe I would conceit to a third, but only if your born with both not if you surgically had one added.

[TheBossInTheWall]

Originally Posted by Jake.Ashworth

I apologize if this ends up being unpopular, but realistically there are only two genders. Everything else is more of a state of mind/mental condition, more than it is a gender. As you can see by the poll, Male and Female are the only real options. The others couldn't really be considered genders, short of the very rare cases in which people are born with both sets, so maybe I would conceit to a third, but only if your born with both not if you surgically had one added.

You're thinking of sex, not gender. Gender is a social construct whereas sex is formed from our genes. Which is too concise to be a total picture. A person's perspective is, of course, involved. For example: someone born with male sex organs, but feels they are completely a female might consider them selves female regardless of sex organs. Or they might call themselves intersexed(dash?). Or intersexed might mean to someone they were born with both male and female sex organs in varying developments, as well as exhibiting varying other physical aspects of female and male. I think the main difference is that gender is something we create ourselves where as sex is tied, but not limited to, genes.

[Jake.Ashworth]

Originally Posted by TheBossInTheWall

You're thinking of sex, not gender. Gender is a social construct whereas sex is formed from our genes. Which is too concise to be a total picture. A person's perspective is, of course, involved. For example: someone born with male sex organs, but feels they are completely a female might consider them selves female regardless of sex organs. Or they might call themselves intersexed(dash?). Or intersexed might mean to someone they were born with both male and female sex organs in varying developments, as well as exhibiting varying other physical aspects of female and male. I think the main difference is that gender is something we create ourselves where as sex is tied, but not limited to, genes.

This is just a quick grab from a scientific web site.

Biological Gender (sex) includes physical attributes such as external genitalia, sex chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, and internal reproductive structures. At birth, it is used to assign sex, that is, to identify individuals as male or female.

By that standard, Gender determines sex based on these things, you are either male or female unless a genetic deformation occurs in the womb at which point there is an option C. But everything beyond option C is just a made up construct in a persons mind. All of this gender confusion is an unfortunate side effect of the way society has backed away from the standard "male" and "female" roles, out of fear of offending people. Everything beyond option C only exists out of political correctness and the fear of offending others. The more we back away from the standards that brought our race to where it is today, the more our children will become confused about their identities. If you tell a child they can be a unicorn if they want to be, most will choose to be a unicorn, but alas, they are not a unicorn. Gender is not a choice, it is given to us in our genetic make up.