what does the word gothic mean?

[GorePhobia]

thanks for sticking up for me rotting eye....i just think goths are crybabies with their "look at me im trying not to be like you i want to be different" then fucking ignore people then...stop wanting attention so much

[Rotting Eye]

Originally posted by moonsorrow
individuality is so manny thing, secondley i have not only been offered a moddeling job im mr. october in a gothic callendar, your just to damn predjudice to see thrugh the clothes, underneeth them keep in mind...we are all naked. i dont understand why you have such a fucking problem with looking diffrent? is it realy so acward to be around us? are we realy that bizzare looking you feel the need to cross the street to avoid us?
take a look at this guy in the upper right corner here on the keyboard, i say this with all my manleyness but can you honestley say this is an ugly guy?

If individuality is so many things, leave the appearance alone, and pick something else. Or is that too difficult?

And you've been offered a modeling job in a... gothic calendar? Gothic. There's a reason why mainsteam hasn't offered you a job yet.

This is all gothics want. I think they were ignored as children.

[GorePhobia]

you are right on the dot rotting eye

[fluffho]

look

i really dont care how anyone dresses. hell, im asian. in a sea of asians. but i stand out. i went to a school with fuckin 52% asian.. and I stood out.. thats because i 'dont dress like typical asians' and when i look, its true. they dress a way, i dress a way, goths do a certain way, mormons....

the only problem i have, is when peope whine about how they cant get ajob and how im supposed to feel sory for them.

take 2 people up for a job, lets say a pretty big one, manager. both have Masters degrees. one a goth, one clean cut in a suit. who's gonna get the job?

i miust ask.. is vanity a trait of goths? cuz see i slap on whatever and get on with my day. i do not wear make up, i run a brush through my hair a couple times. thats it. i guess thats another prob i have with goths, girls too. i have a hard time hangin out with people so vain

[moonsorrow]

Originally posted by Rotting Eye
Moonsorrow, you don't talk down normal people, because that's precisely what they are. And how do you know what kind of gothics I know? You're being stereotypical by saying "oh, that person isn't a real gothic." Who are you to judge what a real gothic entails?

That's much like what Hitler did when he exterminated people. Your hair isn't blonde enough, your eyes not blue enough. They were then killed.

I'm not saying you have to look the same, listen to the same music, hang out at the same places. But do you have to do it looking like that? There's a reason why gothics are outcasts, and why they are the few.

I listen to heavy metal, but do I dress that way? No, I wear khakis and collared shirts. Does that mean I'm not being an individual...? Uh..? And metal isn't the only music I listen to. I listen to a diverse selection.. Why are you limited to listening to such angry music?

Ok, and you tell me something. Did Picasso dress in all black? Did Da Vinci? Galileo? Or artists of today? Are you saying they're not expressing individuality, even though they are very individual? Give me a break. You act like dressing like that is the only way to express yourself.. That's very closed.

And it's like Fluff said, it's in your mind. Just because you may dress in the same fashion as everyone else doesn't mean you're a conformist.

so manny fronts to fight and so tierd... there are a number of black metal clubs where i live, elm street, møllers, and rockin for example, im a big customer in all those places... i can honestley say i never seen a fight happen around there... now take all the other places to go to for the normal people... the metro, turbulence, terra...etc, there is always a fight outside one of those places, ALWAYS, and they are all you. altso you are the ones who bully kids around in school. you are the ones who make sure "nerds" and "loosers" have a hard time at school just because they think, dress speak or act diffrentley. im not saying this aplys to you as a person but as whole so to speak. youl never see me or any of my darker friends start picking on some poor kid with an out of fassion pair of pants, youl see us coming to lend him a hand.
there are only 2 kinds of goths that wear pins, the posers and the non existent.

again i ask...why is it so god damn hard to accept that we look like this? is my corpse pain in some way reflecting of the street light and blurring your vission? do the chains strapped around me rattle so loud you cant hear? what is so difficult to accept?

and there you go acusing metal of being such angry music, heart of steel, us, rite of passage ...i could go on forever, songs so beautifull my dead eyes almost water when i hear them.
discriminating again...shame.
any metalhead/goth/svartmetaller with style can apreciate the ocasional mozart, bach or some luigi manlio

its not the only way of expressing myself, its done in so many ways you cant even immagine. all those above expressed themselves, does that mean i have to go pain the ceeling of a chappel before you look at me as a real human being of flesh blood and normal human emotions?

[fluffho]

why do you keep saying i beat up people? i never made a generalization about YOU. all i said was that too many of them have whined about not getting a job

have i ever beat anyone up? no. like i said, i have all kinds of friends, and work with all kinds of people. i've worked with people with SEVERE social anxiety, people who couldnt even get out to get the mail they were so scared. I went to class with a girl with hip dysplasic, i pulled her roller backpack for her. one of my best friends doesnt shave her legs, and has ashy skin. so stop assuming that i hate on people based on looks

maybe not others, but myself like i said, i dont care how anyone looks. it just bothers me that the SAME people who always whine about not being offered a job (other than bagging groceries, but even then they usually dont get the job) still would rather wear their make up and blood than to make a living.

i really dont care how people look. but if i owned a company, would i hire someone like that? depends.. maybe if i was runing a goth music store. but if i were running a bakery perhaps? most likely no. a law firm? HELL No. imagine going to the hospital and your doctor has on white make up and black liptstick.. or your dentist

[moonsorrow]

last one before i hit the sack... where to even begin....se this is what i put up with every day, i bet the only thing keeping one of you from starting somethign serius is the distance.
after taking a load of crap like that id sure as hell be up for it.
i wasnt offered, i am.
i work at a respectable marketing company as a salesman, it took me some time to find a job true, but some people dont care what clothes you wear, dont care what collor your skinn is, it doesnt matter if you have a french accent, if your good enough you ge the job, in 3 months time il have two jobs, working for rexroth hydraulics... i blame lazyness on the unemployment...and discrimination as always...
further more i.....screw this, il be back tomorrow, well rested.

[fluffho]

keyword: some

fact is, people arent so excepting. why give an ugly chick a chance when you can talk to the hot chick? just the way it is

id rather be able to take care of my kids and pay off my credit card than to make sure that i look 'different'

i know im an individual. i dyed my hair cuz its my favorite color. some peopel like it, some dont. doesnt bother me. and when it does go back to black, it wont bother me then either. i dont shop for clothes. i wear the same shit everyday. i just dont understand how individualism includes VANITY. almost like an oxymoron. but so be it!

hey im new to the boards but i just wanted to give my opinion. Moonsorrow seems to be in this fight alone so here comes a little help. (if ya want it) Im not gothic. But I like the style. It has nothing to do with vanity because i wear alot of different clothes but gothic is my favorite clothes. Im not trying to put anyone down because i wear what makes me comfortable. I dont complain about anything to any one who dosent want to hear it. My friends and I whine about typical stuff, but i want someone to be completely honest and say they have never been whiney about one thing in their lives? Any one? The point is, everyone is an idividual, but why do people who choose to dress in clothing and have mindsets unapproved of always end up getting singled out? They say "freak" "goth" "slut" whatever. I could care less because its just labels. Pink hair is fine if thats what you like. Black makeup and blood is fine if thats what you like. I like a little bit of everything and I could care less what other people would like to think.

So before i fall asleep at the computer, cant we just be more tolerant of other peoples choices? Does it really have an affect on out lives anyway?

[bloodygurl02]

Originally posted by Sweetestpoison
hey im new to the boards but i just wanted to give my opinion. Moonsorrow seems to be in this fight alone so here comes a little help. (if ya want it) Im not gothic. But I like the style. It has nothing to do with vanity because i wear alot of different clothes but gothic is my favorite clothes. Im not trying to put anyone down because i wear what makes me comfortable. I dont complain about anything to any one who dosent want to hear it. My friends and I whine about typical stuff, but i want someone to be completely honest and say they have never been whiney about one thing in their lives? Any one? The point is, everyone is an idividual, but why do people who choose to dress in clothing and have mindsets unapproved of always end up getting singled out? They say "freak" "goth" "slut" whatever. I could care less because its just labels. Pink hair is fine if thats what you like. Black makeup and blood is fine if thats what you like. I like a little bit of everything and I could care less what other people would like to think.

So before i fall asleep at the computer, cant we just be more tolerant of other peoples choices? Does it really have an affect on out lives anyway?

i am alot like you poison. i wear alot of differents thing that some consider punk,prepy , sluty etc. but i wear it cuz i feel comforrtable wearing it like u said. i have friends that r "popular" , jocks, artsy, religious, ounk, a bit on the sluty side but i don't care its not the albels that made me friends w/ them its cuz we get along well. so i get waht u r satyying in your post. as soon as i read i was like wow that sounds just like me