More Urgeok Musings : Most Men Hate Women

[hellfire1]

Originally Posted by urgeok2

until recently - girls weren't encouraged to participate in team sports ...
(its changing though and you can see the positive effects)

but my wife works in a mostly female environment and man are they fucking nuts .. fighting all the time, one camp against the other - people taking sides, back stabbing.

i'm not saying there arent guys that do this but they seem to be the minority - and are not popular people.

I'm not talking about superjocks here ... i'm just talking about guys who learned about teamwork at an early age and brought the positive aspects of that to everything they did later.

I don't know about participating in team sports (which I did... hmm... ok I see your point a bit better), but I do know that women have always been competitive, although for different reasons today. And the reason is men.

And here we are again... back full circle. And it doesn't just happen with the 20s or 30s, although it's more frequent in those age groups. I'm talking 60 year olds trying to compete with 40 year olds, etc... We've been taught that we're not worthy unless we can capture men's attentions and favors. Our only validation comes from a guy's approval. These are ideas that are still perpetuated today and are evident everywhere, even in this damn forum. That's the way it goes. Except women, instead of revolting together against these dangerous thoughts, we lash out on each other.


See? Man-hating dykes and hardcore feminists had it right all along. :p

[The Flayed One]

It can be a vicious circle, the whole older guy younger girl scenario. I just went through one with my last roommate. He had just broke up with his girlfriend and started dating an 18yr old. Then he ended up complaining constantly about her maturity level. Well, she IS 18, mate.

I get the constant guy at work think, too. "Dude, you need to go out and get laid." No, I don't. Getting your rocks off is all fine and dandy, but I find it pointless if it's not with someone who I at least enjoy being around. Not that I didn't spend a few years going to the bar and doing just that. I found out that that loses its charm really quick.

It is partly social upbringing. It's also part of the mans/womans mentality and their ability to learn from their mistakes of being "young, dumb and full of cum." If a guy can't learn that finding someone you enjoy doing things with other than sex is more important than finding that 'smokin' young hottie' then he'll most likely never find anyone of the opposite sex that he can relate to on any level. Therefore, he's going to end up being miserable and possibly hating the opposite sex. If the woman can't get over trying to attract a guy simply by being a hottie and realize that she should probably find a guy who wants to do things with her other than have sex, then she'll inevitably end up losing faith in all men and hating them.

Fortunately, a lot of people seem to learn this as they grow older. Unfortunately, there are just as many who never do.

I have to go with urge on the older female attraction level, too. I've always been attracted to older women since I was a young tyke.

[urgeok2]

Originally Posted by novakru

And it's not bitterness, ask any woman over 35 if things are starting to worry her about losing that youth and beauty. Why do you think my age group is the highest percentage going to plastic surgery?
It's not fun growing old in a society that does not value Females in any respect.
Ask ANY female here, I am sure they can explain it better than I.
You have no idea what it like to be born without a dick, it's a whole different world!The pressure that starts before puberty....

You know? If you have a wife that is that secure- then God Bless her soul, but most of us struggle with self-esteem and we don't even know WHY.


I'm done with this converstion-you believe whatever you want about me.

i believe things are changing in re. to how older women are perceived .. but women are maturing differently as well.


there is a recent focus on 'quality of life' - in the last 20 years or so.
they are saying that 50 is the new 40 - because of this.

it wasnt long ago that the trend was - well, i'm married - who gives a shit about what kind of shape i'm in... and men - and women would stop taking care of themselves and slip into sexless blob status.

i guess this did bother men more than the women (i'm guessing) because men are more visually driven than women .. not sure why - but this is something else thats changing.


i think older women are coming into their own these days (speaking from personal experience)

shit we have a woman on our floor who must be in her 50's ... she walks with confidence, dresses well, has a decent figure (not a willowy teen figure - but a figure) a sexy walk - and there isnt a guy who doesnt smile when she walks past - young or old.

she kept herself in decent shape - but more important - projects an air of confidence and subtle sexuallity - nothing overt.

i know young guys think every girl has to look like early britney .. but why would any mature woman in her right mind feel she has to compete with that ?

i think 30 - 40 is tough on a woman - but after that many seem to come into their own and become comfortable with themselves - if they made the choice to care about their health and appearance.

and this goes for men too - aklthough nasty old guys seem far TOO comfortable as they mature.


anyway - i dont know why you'd be 'done' with the conversation .. it's an interesting dialogue.

all i think of you is that you aren't as happy as you should be ...

i'd like to see everyone happy. (except a couple of my ex-bosses)

[The Flayed One]

Proof that you can still be extremely sexy in your 50's:

[urgeok2]

oh yeah ... nothing sexier to me than a little box with a red X in it ..

go baby go !!! :p

[The Flayed One]

This work better?

[neverending]

Nobody here is mentioning biological imperative. Is it considered invalid? We may be thinking, feeling individuals, but we are members of a species as well, and as such we have a biological urge to perpetuate the species. It's instinct. Men are hard coded to spread their seed and create as many cubs as possible- for the good of the species. Women seek out a steady relationship so the young can be reared safely- for the good of the species.

I'm not saying this as an endorsement of any religious or political agenda- just from an anthropological standpoint it explains a lot of behavior. Certainly we have free will to behave any way we choose- but I think a lot of people don't make concious choices in their lives- they just go along doing whatever seems easiest at the time.

I was raised in a family where both parents worked but it was apparent to me that my mother was more intelligent and made more money. I also had a talented and intelligent sister. I didn't participate it sports, but I did do theatre- which is just as good for team building skills.

[urgeok2]

oh yeah :) much



mind you- she has to keep looking good for professional reasons .. my hats off to the older women who do it for themselves.


funny - i think some people use the phrase 'cougar' in a negative fashion ..

its a big turn on for me ... good for those older women, looking hot and getting a young guy.

it'll be the most rewarding experience that young man will probably ever have

[urgeok2]

Originally Posted by neverending

Nobody here is mentioning biological imperative. Is it considered invalid? We may be thinking, feeling individuals, but we are members of a species as well, and as such we have a biological urge to perpetuate the species. It's instinct. Men are hard coded to spread their seed and create as many cubs as possible- for the good of the species. Women seek out a steady relationship so the young can be reared safely- for the good of the species.

I'm not saying this as an endorsement of any religious or political agenda- just from an anthropological standpoint it explains a lot of behavior. Certainly we have free will to behave any way we choose- but I think a lot of people don't make concious choices in their lives- they just go along doing whatever seems easiest at the time.
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yeah - i was anticipating this and it's valid - for the 'lower order'

we have a lot of built in instincts at a genetic level that we have been able to overcome with our advanced intelligence.

sure if you want to be base and stupid you can allow animal instincts to rule you..

ever see little kids play together ... as soon as they are old enough to notice - the boys and girls seperate .. eventually the black and white kids seperate. it's natural .. like blue fish swimming together, yellow fish swiming together..

but we use our 'superior intelligence' to combat that. we learn that you dont have to be afraid or untrusting of something because it's different.

respect replaces fear.

its the same exact thing as the whole reproduction arguement ...
i know its was the primary reason why we have an urge to have sex, its the primary reason why we continue to survive against all odds .. the continuation of the species ..

but a mature adult surely has control over these things - finds other values in a woman rather than just a place to make a baby.

[hammerfan]

A 49-year-old's opinion:

I don't hate men. Even after multiple failed relationships, I don't hate men. In fact, I enjoy being around men (urge, someday I'm coming to Canada and not telling my uncle). I don't hate women. I also enjoy being around women. Truth be told, I enjoy being around people. Maybe it's my age, I don't know. I have no time for assholes. If you're going to be an asshole - male or female - I'm walking away. Have a great life.

I don't worry about my looks disappearing. I do color my hair, but only because I think the gray makes me look washed out. But as for the wrinkles, sagging, etc. - who gives a shit. I have many female friends that are in their late teens/early 20s.

*steps off soapbox*