I'm sick of it................

[newb]

How come when i wear black people call me Johnny Cash.I'M SICK OF THIS SHIT AS WELL....US OVER FORTY PEEPS WANNA BE GOTH TOO.:mad:

[sandy_x]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
I know quite a few people that some consider 'goth'....As with any 'group' of people, we are all individuals, we are not all the same...There are good people and bad people in any group (whether that group be defined by race, age, gender or 'clique')...


The people that I know and hang out with personally are NOT whiny/depressed people...Who wants to be brought down by people like that?...BTW...Check the stats on your 'depressed, medicated' people, MANY are wealthy, white and 'look normal'...odd, huh?...I only know of 2 people (that live near here) that are on anti-depressants, and they wouldn't be considered 'goth' by any stretch of the imagination, as a matter of fact, they don't even like the way 'goth' people dress...

I've been on this forum for nearly 2 years...So has my daughter...You have met Sergio, too...Many people call us 'goth'...Have we ever seemed depressed or suicidal to you?...I'm usually always happy...Of course, we ALL have our moments and have to deal with life's little 'setbacks' at times...And we are far from illiterate...

Neither me, my family, nor any of our friends have ever stolen anything...And I don't know of anyone that is involved in any 'criminal activity'

I have never heard of any domestic disputes, wife beating, or child abuse in the goth community that I am familiar with...

I don't know any 'goths' that are considered 'whores'...Well, okay, there is this one guy...but...We just say he's popular with women:)...

The people I know can carry on deep and intelligent conversations, and even debate topics without becoming enraged and/or beligerant...Most are very creative, talented, witty, introspective people...They all have jobs and pay their own bills...They are musicians, artists, designers and writers, in addition to having 'normal jobs' at the same time...One is an airport security guard, one works in a warehouse, 2 work at Hot Topic :p...And the list goes on and on...

Some of us DO shop at Hot Topic, because we don't really care much for the tight, lowcut jeans, and skimpy, halfshirts that you can't breathe in, that you find just about anywhere else these days...

AND...The way we dress IS 'normal' to us...

BTW...People usually DO tend to get 'defensive' when they are being insulted/attacked...I don't think that's so much a 'goth' thing, as it is a HUMAN thing...

Although...I would like to point out that I am not being defensive at this time...I'm only stating my opinion based on my knowledge and experience pertaining to this particular topic...


You can't judge an entire group of people based on the actions of a few...


And, honestly Fluff...No offense...But, I'm not surprised that some people wouldn't be very interested in talking to you...Some people click, and some people don't...Some types of people get on other people's nerves ;)

I think you are one smart lady.

[newb]

Originally posted by sandy_x
I think you are one smart lady.

We call her "Mother Firefly".

[Babygurl20]

I beleive that the so called 'goth' ya'll are talking about really has nothing to do with ones personality. They like black (majority of them anyway). So what, who cares?? I like pink. It's an expression and an attention getter. What is the first thing that comes into your mind when you see someone dressed in black?? You probably think they worship the devil or something (you know I'm right). Well, reality check, majority of them don't. I practiced the Wiccan Religion while I was in school and hung out with the goth crowd at times. And guess what, I never once had to wear black to be accepted by them. My friends whom most shunned or disliked, were actually a very positive group with a whole lot of intelligence. Straight A's in school and everything, but because they wore black it affected their image. I agree with you AMK, it pisses me off when people stereotype others because of the way they dress. If you stripped all the humans in this world down, we'd all be the fuckin same. It's just clothes....CLOTHES!!! For fuck sake. :rolleyes:

[Gren the cake]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
And, honestly Fluff...No offense...But, I'm not surprised that some people wouldn't be very interested in talking to you...Some people click, and some people don't...Some types of people get on other people's nerves ;)

Like i said, i've spoken with tons of people, and have every sort of friend imageinable. usually, people like me more than i like them, especially dudes. and not because i'm easy, either. but i would agree though, for whatever reasons, some peopel dont want to talk/get along with/click with others. for example, i simply wont talk to someone just cuz i think theyre ugly, or obese. Ok, so i have a few friends that wouldnt qualify as beuatiful, or even decent loooking, but it sure takes me a while to get over it. we all have our..... whats the word im thinking of.

Furthermore, what exactly was the point of you stating that, anyway? To direct it generally would be one thing, but to point me out? Am i getting defensive, not at all. But you and everyone else are constantly tauting about how much more intelligent, and fair, rational (maybe not those exact words, but you get the idea) you are than the bulk here, and you go off saying that about someone you barely know? fuckin deep...

@ Moonsorrow - I've never been to Europe, so i dunno what the crowd is like. By the way you said it, im picturing a whole flock of goths and hot topics everywhere. Maybe it has to do with the castles or some shit - i really dont nkow.

San Diego has every sort of person, but then again, no matter what kind, we are still californians. Apparently, we are a strange breed. Regional differences I guess. As far inland as I've ever gone is Las Vegas, so im not even too familiar with how people are on the east coast. I've been to the philippines, and its safe to say there arent too many goths there.

[Gren the cake]

Originally posted by moonsorrow
EDIT: P.S. im supporting an organisation to keep a cuple animals from going extinct

I'm very much interested in that, which ones??

actually, i was going to mention.... I'm involved in all kinds of volunteer work. in my many years in special olympics, project wildlife (wildlife sanctuary), I've NEVER seen a goth type there. I've been to mama's kitchen (a soup kitchen for the homeless) a few times, as well as Earth Day, MS Walk (benefit for multiple sclerosis) and a Walk for the local humane society. Again.. never seen a goth type there. thats not to say that they werent just dressed 'normal.' But i do take the jobs where i meet with people, either at the entry table, or simply walkin around the whole thing (thats what happens when yuo register too late and have nothing to do. anyway, you get to meet everyone).

But that could be for a number of reasons, people get busy, people simply dont KNOW about opportunities, etc etc...

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Gren the cake
Furthermore, what exactly was the point of you stating that, anyway? To direct it generally would be one thing, but to point me out?

Because you said that the 'goth' people you have tried to talk to, didn't seem to want to talk to you....That was why I directed that particular comment towards you...

I was responding to:

Originally posted by Gren the cake
every fuckin goth whore i met in school was a fuckin moron just as what was probably described in that program. i was nice as fuck to them, just chillin out and speaking to them LIKE I SPEAK TO ANYONE ELSE, but they evidently had problems having nothing to do with me, and way before, i came into the picture.

And:

Originally posted by Gren the cake
have i met that many? no. probably 5.. no more than 10. but i aint shittin you, every fuckin one was a dick. why is it that everyone else i can chat with, and im not talking about 'hey, want to talk politics?' im just tlaking about an assignment in class, or maybe about how lame the teacher was, how your day went... they hafto have such a hard time with? Im just trying to be nice, and they want to have an issue.

fact is, if i cant even talk with them about that, why wuold i stick around long enough TO find out about whether theyve stolen a fetus, cut themselves.. or on the other hand, saved someones life, volunteered at a homeless shelter, etc etc...

I would also like to add that I have NEVER said that I was "more intelligent, and fair, rational (maybe not those exact words, but you get the idea) than the bulk here"...I wouldn't even BEGIN to claim such things.....That's arrogance at its worst...

[MoonLit Meadow]

Originally posted by Gren the cake
. for example, i simply wont talk to someone just cuz i think theyre ugly, or obese. Ok, so i have a few friends that wouldnt qualify as beuatiful, or even decent loooking, but it sure takes me a while to get over it.

Craziness.

[Gren the cake]

Like i said, I've talked to every kind of person, generlaly in the same way. nothing like 'hey, want to hear about my shopping experience yesterday?' but somethin even simple as 'how did you do on last nights assignment.' and in case it wasnt clear, No, i am not an isolated incident. the kids im talking about no one fuckin likes (well, except other goths).

And perhaps You never say that, but im sure you think it? (as we all think of ourselves). I've read this site for a while now, and i do constantly see 'oh rayne, wonderful for you to come into the thread and shed light upont he situation' 'you are always so _______' so no, i was not pulling that out my ass

perhaps you are more relevant than me. cool, i can see that. nothing wrong with that. i can be as relevant as i want to be, but being the weirdo that i am, i choose to be irrelevant. i'm all about the randomness. im a moron on here but i have the #s and pretty soon the degree/job to relaly confuse the hell out of people

Point is, you coulda put MY name in that statement, or anyone else's.... and it woulda fit.

[Gren the cake]

Originally posted by MoonLit Meadow
Craziness.

thats what happens when bonding between mother and daughter is watching miss california/america/world

:) hey, at least i fess up to it. we have eyes for a reason, and everyone, on purpose or not, more or less, judges others on looks.