Worst Horror Films of The Past Decade

[Fearonsarms]

Originally Posted by TheWickerFan

I think he was a rather outspoken person with some controversial opinions, and that might have led to his murder (the motive remains unclear).

I take it you've read The 120 Days Of Sodom?

Some people also say that the director was so nihilistic and depressed about life that they think he might have tried to kill himself anyway with disappointment in "the system".

Oh no I haven't read the book I meant I could see why the book was called "the 120 days of sodom" and the film is called "Salo" especially now as before I contacted a mate who had it on dvd and I've just watched it. Its hard to say what I think. I would rather people watched this over "Martyrs" definitely cos its clear there's things going on in the film that you need to digest for a while. Though it was NOWHERE as bad as I expected and I think I was confusing what I'd heard about the book with the film. Though I will say I nearly threw up at one point and I thought I have a strong stomach...

[Fearonsarms]

Originally Posted by Ferox13

It was just poking fun at Geek/Nerd culture. As a nerd and a part time geek, I'm good with that.




No there is no inevitable jump between exploitation/horror film makers (like those who made Martyrs) from shooting fictional stories to murdering people and filming the process....

I do see what you are saying it could be me being paranoid its just bear with me I was talking about this on other sites, there is a very much a dark side to human nature that wants to see the fictional become real, you are right that when its being shot its not real but nevertheless you still find people who claim to have seen a snuff film knowing what it was supposed to be-therefore does that not suggest a market for the real thing?Waiting to exploited?. I'm saying that with films like Martyrs and I Spit On Your Grave the barriers between "real" and "Entertainment" are becoming blurred though I'm not saying this is specifically an intention of a horror film maker today. I'm pondering whether this ultimate exploitation will be released as entertainment as window dressing for something real.

[Fearonsarms]

Originally Posted by siorai

The thing with Salo is that most people haven't seen it. So, much like The Human Centipede (which most people haven't seen either) people are coming up with these vastly overblown ideas of what is contained in the film based on a minimal amount of knowledge and hearsay. It's based off of the Marquis De Sade's work, there was a ton of controversy about, the director was even killed possibly just for making it, so Salo has to be an absolute atrocity right? Not at all. Far from it actually. It's no closer to being snuff than any other movie where people are tortured and killed. I think the main difference is that if a person is attentive enough, they can see that Salo is not just another torture flick. While some other similar movie can be watched and forgotten right away since it has no substance past the gore and violence, Salo leaves a lasting impression. It can hit you on a different level when you really think about the big picture of what is happening in the film. Which when talked about later can make people who haven't seen it mistake that intellectual impression for an impression made solely by violence which would be typically the case for other movies of this type.

Like Ferox13 said, there is no "inevitable jump." That's the kind of logic that says all people who watch horror movies or play violent video games turn into violent, sadistic people who will probably end up killing people. Is it a possible jump? Sure. If the person was already headed in that direction. But making horror movies isn't going to make someone go from using foam latex and chopping up real people. Real life just doesn't work that way.

Right you are putting words in my mouth. I admit my attempt to spark debate was cumbersome and patchy but I did not in no way use "kind of logic" to say that people who watch horror...."probably end up killing people" how dare you say that? If all you can do is try and shit stir against someone to make yourself look good how can you expect anyone to take what you say about "Salo" seriously?

[siorai]

Originally Posted by Fearonsarms

Right you are putting words in my mouth. I admit my attempt to spark debate was cumbersome and patchy but I did not in no way use "kind of logic" to say that people who watch horror...."probably end up killing people" how dare you say that? If all you can do is try and shit stir against someone to make yourself look good how can you expect anyone to take what you say about "Salo" seriously?

Excuse me? You previously said:

Originally Posted by Fearonsarms

It is worrying with torture porn cos its inevitable someone will take it to the extreme and do a snuff film no one has yet that I know of but it seems that's where we are headed if someone finds away to do it without going to jail.

The kind of logic that would assume that someone who makes overly violent movies would eventually make snuff films is exactly the kind of logic that would assume someone who watches horror movies will eventually kill someone. I used this example because it is unfortunately a very prevalent misconception in today's society. I used a similar example of your own logic to illustrate a point more clearly with something that is easier to relate to on a personal level and to point out what I believe to be a very serious flaw in your thinking.

As for me trying to "shit stir against someone to make yourself look good" get off your high horse. If I cared about such trivial nonsense do you really think that over three years I would have only posted ~150 times? I'm sorry that you can't take it when someone doesn't agree with you, but it's a part of life.

[Fearonsarms]

You have just admitted again that you are putting words in my mouth by saying I am "using exactly the kind of logic". There is a huge difference in the flaw of what I said suggesting that filmmakers may eventually make a "snuff" movie to you suggesting that I meant "people who love horror movies will probably kill people". That makes what you said personal to me by implying my post indicated something that is "prevalent in today's society". I'm sorry if you think I'm being trivial and as for me not liking it when someone disagrees with me. If you read my reply to ferox13 you would see that he was disagreeing with what I said without making it personal like you did. So I expanded my reasoning behind my suggestion but obviously you would rather we all bury our heads in the sand about this issue and pretend is isnt happening. I have been on other sites (not horror ones) where people claim to have seen a snuff because it was disguised as a horror film. I don't know if wheth they say is true but the fact that there is a market for this I find more disturbing rather than point the finger at the makers of Martyrs and I spit on your grave which was the only mistake I made.

[Ferox13]

Originally Posted by Fearonsarms

I have been on other sites (not horror ones) where people claim to have seen a snuff because it was disguised as a horror film. I don't know if wheth they say is true but the fact that there is a market for this I find more disturbing rather than point the finger at the makers of Martyrs and I spit on your grave which was the only mistake I made.

I would say not as 'Real Snuff Movies'* don't exist. No snuff movie had ever been found. There are rumours that '3 Men 1 Hammer' was meant to be made to sell but this was never proven. There have been an other couple of failed attempts at doing them but where these attempts already had a market for their product was never determined.

That childporn ring that was broken up in Russia were siad to be dealing kiddie snuff too according to early media reports but again nothing came of this..

But then again maybe I'm wrong - if I am and those people on that forum are telling the truth then I would advice them to contact Al Goldstein - the editor of SCrew MAgazine. He'll give them $1,000,000 if they can produce the goods.

*I'm, using the FBI definition - That the murder has to be done solely for the purpose of making a film that will be later sold for profit.


OK thats my thread derailment over with.

[Cradle of Death]

Black Xmas & Bloodrayne are unwatchable IMO

[siorai]

Originally Posted by Fearonsarms

You have just admitted again that you are putting words in my mouth by saying I am "using exactly the kind of logic". There is a huge difference in the flaw of what I said suggesting that filmmakers may eventually make a "snuff" movie to you suggesting that I meant "people who love horror movies will probably kill people". That makes what you said personal to me by implying my post indicated something that is "prevalent in today's society". I'm sorry if you think I'm being trivial and as for me not liking it when someone disagrees with me. If you read my reply to ferox13 you would see that he was disagreeing with what I said without making it personal like you did. So I expanded my reasoning behind my suggestion but obviously you would rather we all bury our heads in the sand about this issue and pretend is isnt happening. I have been on other sites (not horror ones) where people claim to have seen a snuff because it was disguised as a horror film. I don't know if wheth they say is true but the fact that there is a market for this I find more disturbing rather than point the finger at the makers of Martyrs and I spit on your grave which was the only mistake I made.

Ugh... I'm NOT putting words in your mouth. You obviously can't understand the concept of using a related example to make a point. You're taking sections of what I post out of context and thinking they apply directly to you. They don't. I'm not making it personal to you, you are. So let's just end that part of the discussion here since you're not grasping what is going on.

but obviously you would rather we all bury our heads in the sand about this issue and pretend is isnt happening

What? Talk about putting words into people's mouths... For your sake I'll put my thoughts on snuff out there just to be perfectly clear. Do I think snuff exists? Most definitely. I see absolutely no reason for it not to exist. There is a market for anything you can imagine and a multitude of things you cannot. The market may not be big, but it's there. If there are sites dedicated to real gore like ogrish or the long gone murman, there is a market for snuff. If you want to get realistic, there's a good portion of the population who are already quite interested in snuff. They're the people who rabidly watch the news every night for updates on the various wars around the world, they're the people who go to sites and watch videos released of beheadings, they're the people who slow down and rubberneck at accidents on the side of the road. Sure, it's not the true definition of snuff in that people aren't being killed for the sake of being filmed, but it's still real people really dying on film on people are actively searching it out to watch it.

[Ferox13]

[QUOTE=siorai;887613Do I think snuff exists? Most definitely. I see absolutely no reason for it not to exist. There is a market for anything you can imagine and a multitude of things you cannot. [/QUOTE]

Do you really think so? How do you explain not a single film ever turning up, especially when police and law enforcement agencies have uncovered the most heinous types of child porn but never a commerially made snuff film.

[Fearonsarms]

I'll keep this to the discussion. I agree with ferox13 that I don't believe a commercially marketed snuff film exits. Yet anyway. I have no idea whether what people were saying was true I just think it is worrying that they are boasting about it. I reiterate what I said earlier in that it seems to be a dark side to human nature for some people to seek out a snuff film. I hope that they are reffering to the banned film "snuff" on IMDB. I haven't seen this myself but IMDB and others proved this was a hoax Take something like "Hostel" could such a thing really happen? Money does talk its own language. But I do think that the fact anyone who tried to market a snuff film would be instantly prosecuted is a huge factor. But if they could get away with it I think someone would actually do it.