Black people don't like horror movies

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally Posted by Vodstok

I never bothered to listen to him, but i completely disagree that anyone from a genre that is musically full of "sampling" other people's music could produce the greatest musical artist ever. Maybe the greatest rapper ever, but if he didnt compose music, real music, then no, he isnt. Did he even play an instrument?

Trent Reznor is easily one of the greatest musical artists around. I'm not a big fan of Burt, but you have to admit, the man has a TON of successful music to his name, and not a single song was a hit for Britney or NSync

I think lyrics are much more important. Anyone can be a good musician if they play for hours and hours, look at asian people.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Originally Posted by Nella

How did we end up talking about music in a movie thread? ;)

Because someone criticized the movie Step Up 2 and stated how terrible the soundtrack was to support it; then they went on about criticizing rap as a collective; then I went to distinguish the line between Rap vs. Hip Hop vs. Gangsta Rap and what is seen today; then someone agreed, accused it of dying when he died--but some of us said Saul Willams, Nas, and countless others still exist but are underground becasue what is "selling" seems to matter that what is right or makes sense.

Pretty good summary huh?

[Psycom5k]

Originally Posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X

I think lyrics are much more important. Anyone can be a good musician if they play for hours and hours, look at asian people.

I agree that Lyrics are important but its both the lyrics and the music, you can't just pick either or, cause you could have awesome lyrics with shitty music and it would be a shitty song and vice versa.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Originally Posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X

I think lyrics are much more important. Anyone can be a good musician if they play for hours and hours, look at asian people.

I agree with you...the actual composition of the music is great....of course it is--it's the foundation. But the true weapons are your words. :)

[Psycom5k]

Originally Posted by Leprucky Cougar

Because someone criticized the movie Step Up 2 and stated how terrible the soundtrack was to support it; then they went on about criticizing rap as a collective; then I went to distinguish the line between Rap vs. Hip Hop vs. Gangsta Rap and what is seen today; then someone agreed, accused it of dying when he died--but some of us said Saul Willams, Nas, and countless others still exist but are underground becasue what is "selling" seems to matter that what is right or makes sense.

Pretty good summary huh?

hmmmm Ya know you never did answer my question. was my blind summary of the movies plot correct or not? I just wanted to know.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Originally Posted by Psycom5k

I agree that Lyrics are important but its both the lyrics and the music, you can't just pick either or, cause you could have awesome lyrics with shitty music and it would be a shitty song and vice versa.

So explain this scenario: So 2pac has great lyrics. But doesn't extensively compose the music for his tracks. Because you said it's not an either or situation, does this mean he isn't talented or can't be compared with other artists? :confused:

Explain please.

[Psycom5k]

Originally Posted by Leprucky Cougar

So explain this scenario: So 2pac has great lyrics. But doesn't extensively compose the music for his tracks. Because you said it's not an either or situation, does this mean he isn't talented or can't be compared with other artists? :confused:

Explain please.

Answer my question that I asked yesterday and I will answer yours. :)

[Leprucky Cougar]

Originally Posted by Psycom5k

hmmmm Ya know you never did answer my question. was my blind summary of the movies plot correct or not? I just wanted to know.

"Secondly, what plot was in that movie? Hmmm a bunch of street dancers, try to get street cred by street dancing, with some street dancing friends. at the end there is a big street dance off ho down. Mix in some sort of obsticle, a few plot twists that for the most part are useless, and finish it all up by resolving the problem with.... omg dancing(didn't see that one coming). By the way I haven't even seen the movie, how close was I?"


Not exactly. That's a shallow way of putting it. More like this:


It follows Andie West (Briana Evigan) as she pursues her big dream of becoming a street dancer. Her mother died of cancer when Andie was 16; she now lives with her mother's best friend, Sarah (her guardian), but in reality, Andie feels like she does not belong anywhere. Although she is doing badly at school, it is her passion for dancing that brings something good into her life. She rehearses regularly with her 'crew', the "410", to keep the title of the illegal competition, 'The Streets'. Sarah is tired of the crime and harassment by the 410 and tells Andie she will have to go to live with her aunt in Texas if she doesn't turn her life around.


Tyler Gage (Channing Tatum) meets her at the dance club, The Dragon. Tyler tries to persuade her to audition for the Maryland School of the Arts (MSA), where Andie has to compete for a place, thinking it will help her life as it did his. When Andie refuses, Tyler decides to battle her for it. In a memorable dance scene, Tyler does great moves and wins the battle. The two head back to her place and Tyler convinces Sarah to let her join MSA. She eventually agrees, and Tyler leaves Andie to audition at MSA while he goes on tour with Nora, confident that she can make it. Chase Collins (Robert Hoffman) persuades the school director (his brother) Blake (Will Kemp) to recruit Andie after seeing a spectacular performance. When Andie's studies come before the crew, the members are not happy and decide to kick her out. So Andie and Chase form a new crew with help from many people Chase knows at the school, all of whom are not accepted as who they are.


The 410 doesn't like the fact that they have a new crew to compete with so they warn Andie's group to stay out of The Streets or there will be consequences. When Tuck finds Chase, he assaults him for his prank. Chase comes into school the next day badly bruised and hurt. On top of that, the dance studio has been trashed by the 410 the previous night. Director Collins decides that he will not allow anyone from the school to be involved in illegal competitions. He then decides to expel Andie from MSA because of her involvement with the Streets competition after a tip-off from Sophie. When asked if there were any other students involved, Andie does not tell him about her crew.

When Sarah hears the news of Andie's expulsion, she tells her that she has had enough of her behavior and that Andie now must go to live with her aunt in Texas. Just when Andie is packing her bags to leave for Texas, she receives a text message from Missy that The Streets is on that night - the same night as the MSA fundraiser. Along with Andie, her whole crew gets the text message. They decide to ditch the MSA fundraiser (except for Moose) and instead compete in The Streets. Sarah hears about what Andie did to protect her crew and is proud of her. She allows Andie to compete at The Streets with her crew. The director sees them compete and realizes that the street dancing he has been opposing is in fact a legitimate form of artistic expression. He accepts Andie into MSA again. The film finds its optimistic ending - a passionate kiss between Andie and Chase.


So saying that is just dancing for street cred is a bit of an overstatement. You or anyone could've guessed that without seeing it--just by knowing the title; so being that you haven't seen it wasn't anything special from someone else whom didn't. Sure it has drama/plot--but in it's own respective right. Every film doesn't meet one general criteria to be a movie. That's insane. Otherwise we wouldn't genres and subgenres such as horror, drama, romance-drama, action, documentary and all the various subcategories that exist today.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Originally Posted by Psycom5k

Answer my question that I asked yesterday and I will answer yours. :)

That's fair. I have. :)

[Psycom5k]

Originally Posted by Leprucky Cougar

"Secondly, what plot was in that movie? Hmmm a bunch of street dancers, try to get street cred by street dancing, with some street dancing friends. at the end there is a big street dance off ho down. Mix in some sort of obsticle, a few plot twists that for the most part are useless, and finish it all up by resolving the problem with.... omg dancing(didn't see that one coming). By the way I haven't even seen the movie, how close was I?"


Not exactly. That's a shallow way of putting it. More like this:


It follows Andie West (Briana Evigan) as she pursues her big dream of becoming a street dancer. Her mother died of cancer when Andie was 16; she now lives with her mother's best friend, Sarah (her guardian), but in reality, Andie feels like she does not belong anywhere. Although she is doing badly at school, it is her passion for dancing that brings something good into her life. She rehearses regularly with her 'crew', the "410", to keep the title of the illegal competition, 'The Streets'. Sarah is tired of the crime and harassment by the 410 and tells Andie she will have to go to live with her aunt in Texas if she doesn't turn her life around.


Tyler Gage (Channing Tatum) meets her at the dance club, The Dragon. Tyler tries to persuade her to audition for the Maryland School of the Arts (MSA), where Andie has to compete for a place, thinking it will help her life as it did his. When Andie refuses, Tyler decides to battle her for it. In a memorable dance scene, Tyler does great moves and wins the battle. The two head back to her place and Tyler convinces Sarah to let her join MSA. She eventually agrees, and Tyler leaves Andie to audition at MSA while he goes on tour with Nora, confident that she can make it. Chase Collins (Robert Hoffman) persuades the school director (his brother) Blake (Will Kemp) to recruit Andie after seeing a spectacular performance. When Andie's studies come before the crew, the members are not happy and decide to kick her out. So Andie and Chase form a new crew with help from many people Chase knows at the school, all of whom are not accepted as who they are.


The 410 doesn't like the fact that they have a new crew to compete with so they warn Andie's group to stay out of The Streets or there will be consequences. When Tuck finds Chase, he assaults him for his prank. Chase comes into school the next day badly bruised and hurt. On top of that, the dance studio has been trashed by the 410 the previous night. Director Collins decides that he will not allow anyone from the school to be involved in illegal competitions. He then decides to expel Andie from MSA because of her involvement with the Streets competition after a tip-off from Sophie. When asked if there were any other students involved, Andie does not tell him about her crew.

When Sarah hears the news of Andie's expulsion, she tells her that she has had enough of her behavior and that Andie now must go to live with her aunt in Texas. Just when Andie is packing her bags to leave for Texas, she receives a text message from Missy that The Streets is on that night - the same night as the MSA fundraiser. Along with Andie, her whole crew gets the text message. They decide to ditch the MSA fundraiser (except for Moose) and instead compete in The Streets. Sarah hears about what Andie did to protect her crew and is proud of her. She allows Andie to compete at The Streets with her crew. The director sees them compete and realizes that the street dancing he has been opposing is in fact a legitimate form of artistic expression. He accepts Andie into MSA again. The film finds its optimistic ending - a passionate kiss between Andie and Chase.


So saying that is just dancing for street cred is a bit of an overstatement. You or anyone could've guessed that without seeing it--just by knowing the title; so being that you haven't seen it wasn't anything special from someone else whom didn't. Sure it has drama/plot--but in it's own respective right. Every film doesn't meet one general criteria to be a movie. That's insane. Otherwise we wouldn't genres and subgenres such as horror, drama, romance-drama, action, documentary and all the various subcategories that exist today.

Ya know, after reading that whole summary I am totally sure the movie is exactly they way I said it was going to be so I stand with my statement. It's crap. Thats the only genre it deserves to be in.

And to answer your question, No I don't personally think rap is music, but don't get me wrong its not how it sounds. I think of rap as more of a form of poetry with a beat in the background. So I don't really think it falls under the category of music vs lyrics, since rap is mainly lyrics.