Prezzie Debates

[urgeok2]

Originally Posted by Leprucky Cougar

But not all of them are. I don't remember the kids name. But one day on the Ellen Degenres show, she had the nation's youngest mayor. He was 18; he turned 19 soon after the show I believe. He didn't think he was going to win--said he campaigned just for the heck of it, and won!

same thing happened in my hometown ..
a kid in highschool ran for mayor and won. (he didnt win insomuch as the old mayor lost - a dog could have run against him and won)
Thing is he approached it with interest - learned a lot and did a good job.


as far as the US elections go - if nothing else comes of this - it at least showed that the USA has made some progress finally - where a black man could even be considered to run for president.

there are many people alive today who never could have believed this possible in their lifetime. (both blacks and old racist crackers alike)

But to have had a woman AND a black man running at one time ? thats really something else.

shows there might be some hope for the future after all ... because as recent history shows, rich old crazy white men haven't been that great for the country as of late.

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by urgeok2

shows their might be some hope for the future after all ... because as recent history shows, rich old crazy white men haven't been that great for the country as of late.

Oh come on! They have done a fine job... We have spent the last decade (practically) at war, and war has always been GREAT for the american economy! Hasnt it? Oh yeah, EVERY OTHER WAR was, just not this one. Leave it to G-Dubya to take something that was basically a law of nature about america and flush it down the toilet.

[Festered]

Politics is like ordering from the menu at McDonalds. You can stand there deciding for 6 hours, if you like, but your still walking out the door with a sack of crap.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Originally Posted by urgeok2

same thing happened in my hometown ..
a kid in highschool ran for mayor and won. (he didnt win insomuch as the old mayor lost - a dog could have run against him and won)
Thing is he approached it with interest - learned a lot and did a good job.


as far as the US elections go - if nothing else comes of this - it at least showed that the USA has made some progress finally - where a black man could even be considered to run for president.

there are many people alive today who never could have believed this possible in their lifetime. (both blacks and old racist crackers alike)

But to have had a woman AND a black man running at one time ? thats really something else.

shows there might be some hope for the future after all ... because as recent history shows, rich old crazy white men haven't been that great for the country as of late.

To clarify...I hate to be picky but he's biracial...his dad's black and his mom's white. And it wouldn't be the first time neccessarily it would open up Americans' minds to see the possibilities of possible black president candidates. Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton were black men that ran for president but didn't get very far. In my opinion, their approaches, plus significant and substantial views weren't enough to grasp attention; let alone the intelligence, enlightment, charm and even inspiration--something that Obama possesses all of.

On to more possibilities of minority candidates...funny how you should mention how amazing it was for a race be between a black man and a woman. Many Political analysists were speculating around April-May when Obama appeared the projected winner over Clinton that it wasn't likely he would choose her as a running mate; he instead was looking at a hispanic governor of (I believe the state of New Mexico) for a running mate; sharing similar backgrounds/stories of perseverance as Obama (he was the sound of mexican immigrants, was impoverished, worked, went into politics...etc) But of course many republicans said many times "America's not ready for that....we're not ready." Numerous times the interviewer tried to get them to clarify whay they meant by that; but it was implied that America wasn't "ready" to see a scenario of 3 possible minorities : A woman, a black, and a hispanic. Not all at the same time. Like many of you I was apalled by the assertion; and though this wasn't explictly stated it was definitely implied. Many also argued that when Bush chose Condoleeza Rice as his Foreign Relations personnel, now secretary of state he was "killing two birds with one stone." He choose a balck woman--so because she was black and a woman--the goal was to appeal minority issues wasn't a big deal to him. Also in an effort, for those that vote by race and vote according to gender.


Hopefully tensions will alleviate whenever I decide to run for president (my intention is perhaps the next 25 years) But despite all the bad, I think we are slowly bridging the gaps between the old 50s Jim Crow logic and the contemporary generation (now it's more so clash between us putting those in power whom are 3 or 4 X our age whom want to remain looking at things in a manner that is so outdated; when they haven't grasped that this is a new generation, a new century even, and we are in need of quite simply a new direction).

--Shannon

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by Festered

Politics is like ordering from the menu at McDonalds. You can stand there deciding for 6 hours, if you like, but your still walking out the door with a sack of crap.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103888/

the most appropriate episode of any tv show ever regarding voting:

"most of the time your only options are some douche or some turd"

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by Leprucky Cougar

To clarify...I hate to be picky but he's biracial...his dad's black and his mom's white. And it wouldn't be the first time neccessarily it would open up Americans' minds to see the possibilities of possible black president candidates. Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton were black men that ran for president but didn't get very far.

Arguably, these two did more harm than good because it was decades before anyone tried again. If they really want to help the African American community, they would both just quietly fade from sight. I think they are both embarrasments to the human race; I cant imagine the humiliation they would cause if i were in the same ethnic group.

Personally, I think the 2 of them get "outraged" because they LOVE to see themselves on TV, and listen to the sound of their own voices.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Originally Posted by Festered

Politics is like ordering from the menu at McDonalds. You can stand there deciding for 6 hours, if you like, but your still walking out the door with a sack of crap.

Come on guys. You all can't be apathetic about the situation. Sure bad things have happened. But in a world we live in, no mater how hard you try to please everyone in a situation it doesn't always happen. So don't give up on it, Just because you feel like you're in a "this sucks," situation, it doesn't always have to be like this. There was a time when you guys whom are US citizens loved your country. Don't give up on what has become distorted and be pesismistic and assume it'll only change for the worst.

And no I'm not talking about Rudy Juliani and how he acted during 9/11.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Originally Posted by Vodstok

Arguably, these two did more harm than good because it was decades before anyone tried again. If they really want to help the African American community, they would both just quietly fade from sight. I think they are both embarrasments to the human race; I cant imagine the humiliation they would cause if i were in the same ethnic group.

Personally, I think the 2 of them get "outraged" because they LOVE to see themselves on TV, and listen to the sound of their own voices.

It wasn't decades before anyone tried again...Jesse Jackson was in the late 70s early 80s..and Al Sharpton was in the 2004 elections.

As a black woman, I don't think they can help the African American community by neccesarily fading away in sight; but for the older generations that support them readdresss their supporters and encourage them that America is in set with a new, more concise direction of focus. Not that thier goals were terrible, but were in the light of more personable changes--ie-primarily focusing on ethnical issues for minorities for example, instead of holistic dilemmas America as a majority endure. Not to indicate that race or sex doesn't matter anymore. Because that would be a lie; but again to redirect them into a bigger focus, and develop concise, brightline of potential solutions.

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by Leprucky Cougar

It wasn't decades before anyone tried again...Jesse Jackson was in the late 70s early 80s..and Al Sharpton was in the 2004 elections.

Okay, then Jesse Jackson then. I didnt remember when sharpton did it, mostly because I ignore him as best I can.

As far as them fading away, I'll be honest, I dont know how the black community views them, but for white folks in my neck of the woods, they have both been shown way to often to be horrendously hypocritical and have 0 credibility.

I realize as white people we have those who fit into this category as well, we call them "White politicians".
:D

[Leprucky Cougar]

Originally Posted by Vodstok

Okay, then Jesse Jackson then. I didnt remember when sharpton did it, mostly because I ignore him as best I can.

As far as them fading away, I'll be honest, I dont know how the black community views them, but for white folks in my neck of the woods, they have both been shown way to often to be horrendously hypocritical and have 0 credibility.

I realize as white people we have those who fit into this category as well, we call them "White politicians".
:D

Whom are classified as "White Politicians" and what are the other classifications?