Decision 2008

[Papillon Noir]

I know I am in the minority here, but I am voting for McCain.

[ChronoGrl]

Originally Posted by pinkfloyd45769

I'm still not sure who i'm voting for,i'm leaning towards Obama.I jusy can't wait for change and i'm hoping things get better soon after we get a new president.I would like to have been able to have Hillary in there and i actually thought she would make it.

Hillary is FINALLY on the Obama band wagon. If you were going to vote for her, you should probably throw your vote his way. In our glorious bipartisan government, the individual mostly winds up voting along party lines as opposed to for the particular political figure they are most aligned with... Obama is more simpatico to Hillary than McCain is. If you truly support Hillary, then you should vote Obama. This is a pretty important election. Don't exclude yourself because Hillary's out.

Originally Posted by Leprucky Cougar

Awesome responses guys. And from my intro you all know I am a democrat and support Obama. Not a registered voter though, I don't turn 18 til 4.5 weeks after the eletion. However, if and when Obama is president I plan on writing a letter either to him or congress itself; asking them to ammendment the clause in the constitution for voting requirements. I think the election process should be like the olympics. You shouldn't be 18 by November 4th but by the election year. The way the olympics works is that the youngest age to compete is 16. However if you eventually turn 16 in that olympic year you can compete at 16. I think the same should apply here. If you turn 18 in the election year (as I do), it shouldn't matter if you turn 18 by the election date. You should still be allowed to vote--whether it be supplement or absentee ballot.

Because you have to think about all of those people born between November 5th and December 31st 1990--all of which probably are decided, know what they want, know who represents them. But because of a rather ambiguous age clause are not allowed to. That's millions of willing, yet underprivledged voters who could potentially help their parties, but instead have to wait four more years to try to help what was already corupted the past eight.

If I ever become a politician, (which I really hope happens) these are some issues and viewpoints I would want to stress in my campaign. Focusing on the meticulous issues, not just the broad and "normal" points every four years gets debated on National Television. They're all equally important and are things that we all should be cognizant of. :)

Right.

Social issues. National Defense. War. Struggling Economy. Universal Healthcare. Education bills.

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Changing the legislation around voting age.

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;)

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But snarkiness aside, I wouldn't necessarily go after changing the age limit rule. I think that people should have to have a license to vote. You need a license to drive, a license to own a gun... You should have a license to vote.

Case in point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaxECcTjCuw

Good GOD that makes me very VERY sad to be an American.

I have NO qualms in taking the vote from the masses and putting it in the hands of the few... as long as I can choose the few.

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But anyway. Vote Obama.

[neverending]

At times it's attractive to think of reasons to restrict voting on this or that grounds- intelligence being one of them. However, it's a slippery slope, and it's the very reason this country was founded- to escape from the priveliged classes who kept representation from the majority.

One person - one vote. Even with flaws, it's the ideal.

[Vodstok]

I love the video... Its nice the banjo boy from deliverance got a dog and grew his hair out, but he shouldnt use the N word, he's hanging with the wrong crowd.

[ChronoGrl]

Originally Posted by neverending

At times it's attractive to think of reasons to restrict voting on this or that grounds- intelligence being one of them. However, it's a slippery slope, and it's the very reason this country was founded- to escape from the priveliged classes who kept representation from the majority.

One person - one vote. Even with flaws, it's the ideal.

I am perfectly fine with that slippery slope - As long as I am the one controlling its trajectory.

Don't worry, NE. I have no plans to dispose of you when I take over the world.

Originally Posted by Vodstok

I love the video... Its nice the banjo boy from deliverance got a dog and grew his hair out, but he shouldnt use the N word, he's hanging with the wrong crowd.

LOL! Seriously!

By the way - Do you listen to Toucher and Rich, too (3 - 7, weekday afternoons, WBCN)? I know you're an O&A fan... T&R are my afternoon guilty pleasure. I got the video from their show.

[novakru]

I watched the running mates last night. I listened, and for brief moments wished what they had to say could be done.
If they had the power to actually do what they wanted to set things right with America- we would be pretty good no matter with side we voted for.

McCain is brilliant but could be crazy.
Obama- ditto.
Although I think a black man as President could do a shitload of good for the racial issues we have.
Their running mates are very intelligent and seem like interesting people in their own right.

But.

I do not believe a word that comes out of a politician's mouth.
I am jaded beyond belief about our government.

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by ChronoGrl

I am perfectly fine with that slippery slope - As long as I am the one controlling its trajectory.

Don't worry, NE. I have no plans to dispose of you when I take over the world.




LOL! Seriously!

By the way - Do you listen to Toucher and Rich, too (3 - 7, weekday afternoons, WBCN)? I know you're an O&A fan... T&R are my afternoon guilty pleasure. I got the video from their show.

O&A in the morning, T&R in the afternoon. I have them streaming into my head for the duration of their shows :D

I get home from work at about 5:30, so anythign after that i miss... And i guess i missed this one.

I live for the Video Dating segments...

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by novakru

I do not believe a word that comes out of a politician's mouth.
I am jaded beyond belief about our government.

The past 100 years has gone a long way to do this to most people, but the last 8 have done the most damage.

[Leprucky Cougar]

Originally Posted by ChronoGrl

Hillary is FINALLY on the Obama band wagon. If you were going to vote for her, you should probably throw your vote his way. In our glorious bipartisan government, the individual mostly winds up voting along party lines as opposed to for the particular political figure they are most aligned with... Obama is more simpatico to Hillary than McCain is. If you truly support Hillary, then you should vote Obama. This is a pretty important election. Don't exclude yourself because Hillary's out.



Right.

Social issues. National Defense. War. Struggling Economy. Universal Healthcare. Education bills.

...

Changing the legislation around voting age.

...

;)

...

But snarkiness aside, I wouldn't necessarily go after changing the age limit rule. I think that people should have to have a license to vote. You need a license to drive, a license to own a gun... You should have a license to vote.

Case in point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaxECcTjCuw

Good GOD that makes me very VERY sad to be an American.

I have NO qualms in taking the vote from the masses and putting it in the hands of the few... as long as I can choose the few.

...

But anyway. Vote Obama.

Oh no no no no. I wasn't proposing "changing the age limit" of voting, just adding a clause to it. I think it is justifiable to set a precedent of a voting age for 18. However, in considering those with LATE BIRTHS whom still who turn 18 during that election, they as well I believe should be granted the opportunity to access that right. They shouldn't have to wait another four years. I'm not talking about those whom turn 18 the next year or year after. I'm talking about the people who are currently 18 (or are suppose to be) were born in 1990. I was born in 1990--December of 1990. So I'll too, be 18 then. My point is just because I don't turn the 18 until four weeks after the election shouldn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to vote; because I turned 18 in the ELECTION YEAR. My proposal, should I become a legislator is not to"change" the election "age limit," again it is to revise it. :) The Framers and fourfathers when constructing the constitution weren't thinking in the best interest of
20th and 21st century scenarios. That's why we have so many cases testified in Supreme Court to verify the constitutionality of the predicaments. :eek: They weren't cognizant that sometimes rules can't be generalized because some things are a case by case basis. :) My proposal would allow any one whom functionally turns 18 in that election year will be able to cast their votes.


As for the way an election works in our country, I don't exactly agree with that. I believe it's a fundamental right, not just privledge to cast your vote. However, I'm not a big fan of the electoral college--especially the way it operates for the republican party. :(

[Leprucky Cougar]

Originally Posted by novakru

I watched the running mates last night. I listened, and for brief moments wished what they had to say could be done.
If they had the power to actually do what they wanted to set things right with America- we would be pretty good no matter with side we voted for.

McCain is brilliant but could be crazy.
Obama- ditto.
Although I think a black man as President could do a shitload of good for the racial issues we have.
Their running mates are very intelligent and seem like interesting people in their own right.

But.

I do not believe a word that comes out of a politician's mouth.
I am jaded beyond belief about our government.

I've noticed Americans have a love-hate relationship with their delegates. We say how much we disbelieve in their trust, yet take part in electing them. Then maybe something goes wrong in the state or country as a whole and "we don't care," so we decide to stop voting. Then when things like Katrina and the economy happen, we complain about how politicians aren't doing their job. Well I say this : For every one of you that is ready to give up on your country and thinks your 1 vote doesn't matter, multiply that X 300 million people that live in the US....that's a lot of votes. So you do matter. But every one of you that gets all pessimistic when things get rough "the corrupted politicians" are ready to pounce. They want you to stay in that mindset so they can stay and keep their lobbyists in the White House. So let's all pull together on this one and defeat the enemy instead generalizing all politicans as a whole--because that isn't entirely fair. Remember just because you're president you can't do everything you want. You have to work with Congress and Supreme Court. There's no one emminent leader. It's not a dictatorship--at least that wasn't the intention--it's a democracy. So ever bill that a president signs to make a law, isn't neccessarily his policy, perhaps it's a compromise because of bipartisanhip and perhaps his proposal was dropped in the Senate.

The moral of the story: let's not give up. It's a complicated, rough, but not impossible. And in the end, just as Obama has said: "There shouldn't really be red states or blue states. Black or White America. But one United States of America. " They're not just beautiful words...it was once a beautiful reality...but what happened? We lost hold grip of ourselves during the Bush Adminstration and morally gave up on our own country. Let's not continue the Saga.....KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!!:) :)