Clive Barker Knocks Eli Roth and Rob Zombie

[alkytrio666]

Originally Posted by The STE

Why ask a video game guy about movies, anyways? I didn't see anybody ask Ed Boon or John Tobias about action/fighting movies back in the day...

Clive Barker is a horror author, and wrote and directed Hellraiser, Nightbreed, and Lord of Illusions. He also wrote Rawhead Rex and Candyman.

[PR3SSUR3]

What I'm saying is these people do nothing to get any sympathy or remorse from the viewer

So if you are promiscuous, like a beer and a fag and say 'fuck' a lot then it doesn't make any difference if you live or die in the movies? Well, slashers have provided us with similar fodder for decades. But there is usually also a hero, and to help us decide where our allegiance lies (!) he or she is often the sensitive type, complete with a history of problems and chink of hope that they may 'overcome' in the end...

The same is generally true of 'torture porn' films, but because they are not pandering to teen angst with these clear moral/immoral characters quite so often, there is genuine intrigue to find out who is going to live or die.

Torture porn films are never expected to be multi-layered or profound works, but their spectacular nature should not render audience identification with characters so redundant.

Take a look at excellent crime dramas such as Confessions of a Trickbaby and Another Day in Paradise for different examples of how 'immoral' teenagers can evoke different reactions from the audience.

[Disease]

Originally Posted by alkytrio666

Clive Barker is a horror author, and wrote and directed Hellraiser, Nightbreed, and Lord of Illusions. He also wrote Rawhead Rex and Candyman.

Yeah, I didn't get that statement either..

[missmacabre]

Originally Posted by Disease

Yeah, I didn't get that statement either..

Maybe because of the new video game "Clive Barker's Jericho" ?

[alkytrio666]

Originally Posted by missmacabre

Maybe because of the new video game "Clive Barker's Jericho" ?

Yeah, but he's a horror aficionado, as well. In fact, before video games, he was a horror aficionado. So it would make perfect sense to ask him about horror.

[Disease]

Originally Posted by Disease

So what's the big Deal, He is Clive Barker... He can say what ever the fuck he likes!

As I said earlier......

[The STE]

I can kinda see that the characters are unsympathetic. It's not that they drink and smoke and fuck, it's that they're generally just unsympathetic. They're not overly shitty people, but there's rarely much of a reason to care about them.

[Disease]

Originally Posted by The STE

I can kinda see that the characters are unsympathetic. It's not that they drink and smoke and fuck, it's that they're generally just unsympathetic. They're not overly shitty people, but there's rarely much of a reason to care about them.

Most of my favorite horror movies from the past have had characters I didn't care fo, so what's the difference....

[The STE]

If all you're looking for in a horror movie character is to act as interchangable fleshy sheaths for the killer's knife, then it makes no difference. And if that's all the writer intends, then bully for the writer. But often times, characters that you don't care about is a failing on the writer's part.

[newb]

Originally Posted by The STE

If all you're looking for in a horror movie character is to act as interchangable fleshy sheaths for the killer's knife, then it makes no difference. And if that's all the writer intends, then bully for the writer. But often times, characters that you don't care about is a failing on the writer's part.

Agreed.....................