Demon Possesion '07

[Disease]

Originally Posted by bloody_ribcut

yeah, and or demons. possesion....do you think it could be possible....

I hope so! any one have a contact?

And do you know if you can sell someone elses soul?

[bloody_ribcut]

Originally Posted by Disease

I hope so! any one have a contact?

And do you know if you can sell someone elses soul?

pinkerton was my only connection to the devil, but thats gone....
and maybe you could if they were brought into the world through you.

[Disease]

Originally Posted by bloody_ribcut

pinkerton was my only connection to the devil, but thats gone....
and maybe you could if they were brought into the world through you.

I will start work on that when I get to bed then.....:)

[Papillon Noir]

Originally Posted by bloody_ribcut

i saw a youtube video on how some musicians are possesed.
they showed featured bands lyrics from rock to rap, everyone mentioning the devil and deals they made with him in order to become famous.
it was serious from a church's point of view and started me thinking,i just wanted to know what you guys and gals thought.

Demon possession and "selling your soul" to the Devil are two completely different things. You cannot get possessed if you have already made a pact with the Devil or a demon. Religion has rules and you just can't mix them up.

Demon possession is when a demon (or the Devil) takes control over a person against their will for evil and destructive purposes. The demon will stay there until it is forced to leave the body.

Selling your soul to the Devil or making a pact with a demon is when the person exchanges their soul (to be given to the Devil at a later date) for power or wealth or any of the seven vices really. The person receives these right away and lives until unharmed until the expiration date of the pact where they go to hell as the Devil now owns the person's soul.

There is also the possiblity that those people are making it up for attention or they're just wacko.

[bloody_ribcut]

Originally Posted by Papillon Noir

Demon possession and "selling your soul" to the Devil are two completely different things. You cannot get possessed if you have already made a pact with the Devil or a demon. Religion has rules and you just can't mix them up.

Demon possession is when a demon (or the Devil) takes control over a person against their will for evil and destructive purposes. The demon will stay there until it is forced to leave the body.

Selling your soul to the Devil or making a pact with a demon is when the person exchanges their soul (to be given to the Devil at a later date) for power or wealth or any of the seven vices really. The person receives these right away and lives until unharmed until the expiration date of the pact where they go to hell as the Devil now owns the person's soul.

There is also the possiblity that those people are making it up for attention or they're just wacko.

or it's real, thanks for clarifying the differences between possesion and selling.
:) im just wondering, did you watch the tube?
it was quite entertaining.

[Papillon Noir]

Originally Posted by bloody_ribcut

or it's real, thanks for clarifying the differences between possesion and selling.
:) im just wondering, did you watch the tube?
it was quite entertaining.

No problem. :)

No, I am work right now (I work in an office) and can't watch any video. It makes my goofing off too obvious. :D

[Mictlantechutli]

Originally Posted by Papillon Noir

Demon possession is when a demon (or the Devil) takes control over a person against their will for evil and destructive purposes. The demon will stay there until it is forced to leave the body.

Don't forget willful possession. Some people invite demons (or spirits) into their bodies. Vodou Mambos and Bokors use this practice as the cornerstone of their religion.

I don't believe in a "Devil" that is the embodiment of all evil, but I do believe in other gods/spirits/forces, that were painted as "Demons" by the Catholic Church when they co-opted and subverted pagan religious festivals.

[Papillon Noir]

Originally Posted by Mictlantechutli

Don't forget willful possession. Some people invite demons (or spirits) into their bodies. Vodou Mambos and Bokors use this practice as the cornerstone of their religion.

They do do that in Voodoo/Vodou/Vodun, but the spirits are not good or evil, they are hot or cool. The cool spirits are familial and congenial, while the hot spirits are combative and restless. All of them can become dangerous if angered.

Originally Posted by Mictlantechutli

I don't believe in a "Devil" that is the embodiment of all evil, but I do believe in other gods/spirits/forces, that were painted as "Demons" by the Catholic Church when they co-opted and subverted pagan religious festivals.

The our conception of the Devil has evolved over the years from many view painted during the Medieval Ages. While the Devil is in the Bible, a lot of our views about him have stemmed from art and literature from the Medieval Ages. Milton's Paradise Lost and Dante's Inferno are big ones.

All of the Catholic feasts parallel the previous pagan ones. A lot of this has to do with the Catholics (then just known as Christians) trying to pull people away from the Pagan festivals. If the Christians were to have their own festivals at different times than the Pagans, people would probably just go to all of them, but if they're at the same time, people have to choose.

[Amphibious Wretch]

Originally Posted by Papillon Noir

Selling your soul to the Devil or making a pact with a demon is when the person exchanges their soul (to be given to the Devil at a later date) for power or wealth or any of the seven vices really. The person receives these right away and lives until unharmed until the expiration date of the pact where they go to hell as the Devil now owns the person's soul.

As far as I understand, and as stated by S. Jason Black in "Pacts With the Devil" the concept of selling your soul is silly. After all, if you're making pacts don't they own your soul already?

I've read several books that hint at the same concept, such as The Lesser Keys of Solomon, Grimourium Verum & Le Grande Grimoire. According to those, demons seem to prefer such things as tobacco, raw meat, fine wine & possession of the body for an agreed period of time as to have sexual relations. If I were a demon, that'd sound like a decent trade to me for disclosure of the whereabouts of hidden treasures and the such.

[crabapple]

so what demons want really is just some hoochie poochie time! interesting

well guess i cant blame 'em really