Kramer Incident

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by urgeok

thats true .. you cant sue someone for being an ignorant asshole (unless you sued the school board for having a teacher saying this stuff to young kids.)

but you're right - he will be punished accordingly by how this affects his 'career'
no one should make any money from it.

I heard yesterday that a lawyer (Gloria Albrecht, i think?) was saying that a retired judge should mediate a meeting between the two "gentlemen" invloved and Michael Richards, where he would officially apologize to the two and then the judge should meet out a significant financial restitution to the two, in the oprder of millions of dollars. I hope she gets hit by a truck and dies after weeks of horrible suffering.....

They were hecklers. They got what was coming to them and then some, but in the end, they were in the wrong first. If you throw a water baloon at a stranger and he shoots you for it, he should not have, but then again, those are the risks you take in this world if you antagonize people.

Plus, if you can get millions for having your feelings hurt, i could retire a thousand times over with all the money i am owed by kids from school.

[urgeok]

but .. one thing to consider .. there is freedom of speech .. and there is also hate crime legeslation.

had he printed out what he said into pamphlets and put them in everyone's mailbox - it could be a problem.

(i know this isnt the same deal - but it is the start of a slippery slope no matter which side of the equation you stand on)

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by urgeok

but .. one thing to consider .. there is freedom of speech .. and there is also hate crime legeslation.

had he printed out what he said into pamphlets and put them in everyone's mailbox - it could be a problem.

(i know this isnt the same deal - but it is the start of a slippery slope no matter which side of the equation you stand on)

Oh, we've talked about this before and I agree with you. He should be able to shoot his mouth off. Really, the only one hurt in the whole thing was Kramer.

Now, if they passed legislation banning groups like the KKK and Arian Nation from speaking publicly or being able to assemble, I would stand on the sidelines, pointing and laughing.

[urgeok]

Originally Posted by Vodstok

Now, if they passed legislation banning groups like the KKK and Arian Nation from speaking publicly or being able to assemble, I would stand on the sidelines, pointing and laughing.

i'd be in a black and white sedan with a big speaker on the top ... driving the fuckers off of a bridge :cool:

[PhilnEdee]

Originally Posted by urgeok

i'd be in a black and white sedan with a big speaker on the top ... driving the fuckers off of a bridge :cool:

I'd be the passenger with my cheap black suit, my wayfarer (Miami Vice) shades and black hat. ;)

[Zero]

[PhilnEdee]

Alot of damn monkeys on this forum.

[PR3SSUR3]

They were hecklers. They got what was coming to them and then some, but in the end, they were in the wrong first. If you throw a water baloon at a stranger and he shoots you for it, he should not have, but then again, those are the risks you take in this world if you antagonize people

and

(something about how fat people wouldn't complain so much if they were abused)

Michael Richards is a self-pitying, squirming racist. This is how:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB6qKPU6sps

Fifty years ago he would have had the 'niggers' upside down with forks up their asses. He wanted that nigger thrown out, that nigger, that nigger. Look, he is a nigger. Look at Kramer pointing and showing us the nigger. He won't be arrested for calling the black man a nigger, but the nigger has the audacity to threaten The Man. The White Man, who gave that nigger what was coming to him and then some.

In the middle of his racial abuse, Richards dubiously says "This shocks you." "What's the matter? Is it too much for you to handle?" - giving some gravity to his alarming performance. He is clearly aware his mind has broken, and very publicly. Yet he still cannot help himself trying to justify his racism before he is finished with the microphone.

His 'apology' on Letterman:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5eZqtb1hZw

Richards' slippery Seinfeld buddy expresses that the two are "very upset about it" and he is invited to "explain what happened" in "one of those awful, awful things." Kramer is apparently "mystified about what happened".

Here is some clarity: Michael Richards responded to audience disquiet with racial taunts, which is indeed an awful, awful thing for him to resort to. Perhaps now the mystery has been solved.

He goes on to say he made "trash talk" about the 'Afro-Americans', and when asked if they were heckling or just talking replied "That too". Other Seinfeld guy interjects that the audience should "stop laughing" around this point. Richards is then very sorry to the blacks, whites and hispanics who took the brunt of that anger (nope it was pretty much just the niggers Mikey) and "how it came through" (see above link for this). He is concerned about more hate, more rage coming through - not just towards him, but towards a black/white conflict, because there is a great deal of disturbance in America since Hurricane Katrina. Then for him, a comic, to come out and to say this crap he is deeply sorry for... he can only now get to the forcefield of this hostility, and discover why this rage is in any of us, why the trash takes place, whether or not it's between Kramer and some niggers or between America and another nation. Richards pushes the envelope, he works in a very uncontrolled manner onstage, with a lot of free association and spontaneous going into character. In view of the situation and the act going where it was going, he is not sure if he would have racially abused other creeds or colours, even though his rage was going all over the place, over everybody in the room. Michael thinks blacks could feel... what is.... he is not a racist, that is what's so insane about all this. He doesn't... and yet... it's sad... it comes through, it fires out of him. Even during the apology, it comes through in the passion as he confronts himself. Michael agrees that him trying to be so racially outrageous may have somehow diffused the heckling/talking situation, by 'Ju-Jitsu'-ing it - he had a microphone, he tried. But it doesn't always work out, and you can talk about a bad night. Michael tried to apologise to the niggers involved, but he couldn't talk to all of... everyone because they left. He thinks it's good the niggers have 'gone to the press' because it shows solidarity in confronting those kinds of remarks like, well, 'nigger' etc. etc., within the nigger community. It's important, he says, that the 'Afro-Americans' ensure this kind of crap doesn't... does not come about. Michael Richards is "sorry that it happened".

You know, if those niggers had just gone and been born fat instead, or maybe thrown a water balloon, they probably would have all had a good laugh about it instead of all this bitterness and unease.

[alkytrio666]

Even without the "nigger insults" the situation is still horrible. What Richards did was to violently verbally abuse a selected people over and over again. His rage was unbelievable. I honestly believe that if they had been closer he'd have jumped into the crowd and attempted murder. That's how dangerously angry he was.

And then the entire slew of troubling racism comes into play.

And watching that Letterman show clip I do not for one second believe he was apologizing for anything except to save his so called "ego". He doesn't give a flying fuck about the "Afro-Americans" he offended, he just wants to be "liked" again.

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by PR3SSUR3

and




Michael Richards is a self-pitying, squirming racist. This is how:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB6qKPU6sps

Fifty years ago he would have had the 'niggers' upside down with forks up their asses. He wanted that nigger thrown out, that nigger, that nigger. Look, he is a nigger. Look at Kramer pointing and showing us the nigger. He won't be arrested for calling the black man a nigger, but the nigger has the audacity to threaten The Man. The White Man, who gave that nigger what was coming to him and then some.

In the middle of his racial abuse, Richards dubiously says "This shocks you." "What's the matter? Is it too much for you to handle?" - giving some gravity to his alarming performance. He is clearly aware his mind has broken, and very publicly. Yet he still cannot help himself trying to justify his racism before he is finished with the microphone.

His 'apology' on Letterman:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5eZqtb1hZw

Richards' slippery Seinfeld buddy expresses that the two are "very upset about it" and he is invited to "explain what happened" in "one of those awful, awful things." Kramer is apparently "mystified about what happened".

Here is some clarity: Michael Richards responded to audience disquiet with racial taunts, which is indeed an awful, awful thing for him to resort to. Perhaps now the mystery has been solved.

He goes on to say he made "trash talk" about the 'Afro-Americans', and when asked if they were heckling or just talking replied "That too". Other Seinfeld guy interjects that the audience should "stop laughing" around this point. Richards is then very sorry to the blacks, whites and hispanics who took the brunt of that anger (nope it was pretty much just the niggers Mikey) and "how it came through" (see above link for this). He is concerned about more hate, more rage coming through - not just towards him, but towards a black/white conflict, because there is a great deal of disturbance in America since Hurricane Katrina. Then for him, a comic, to come out and to say this crap he is deeply sorry for... he can only now get to the forcefield of this hostility, and discover why this rage is in any of us, why the trash takes place, whether or not it's between Kramer and some niggers or between America and another nation. Richards pushes the envelope, he works in a very uncontrolled manner onstage, with a lot of free association and spontaneous going into character. In view of the situation and the act going where it was going, he is not sure if he would have racially abused other creeds or colours, even though his rage was going all over the place, over everybody in the room. Michael thinks blacks could feel... what is.... he is not a racist, that is what's so insane about all this. He doesn't... and yet... it's sad... it comes through, it fires out of him. Even during the apology, it comes through in the passion as he confronts himself. Michael agrees that him trying to be so racially outrageous may have somehow diffused the heckling/talking situation, by 'Ju-Jitsu'-ing it - he had a microphone, he tried. But it doesn't always work out, and you can talk about a bad night. Michael tried to apologise to the niggers involved, but he couldn't talk to all of... everyone because they left. He thinks it's good the niggers have 'gone to the press' because it shows solidarity in confronting those kinds of remarks like, well, 'nigger' etc. etc., within the nigger community. It's important, he says, that the 'Afro-Americans' ensure this kind of crap doesn't... does not come about. Michael Richards is "sorry that it happened".

You know, if those niggers had just gone and been born fat instead, or maybe thrown a water balloon, they probably would have all had a good laugh about it instead of all this bitterness and unease.

I agree with you that he is sorry that it happened and was filmed, not that he is in any way repentant, just that he showed the world that he is an ass and he will probably never work again as a result.

At the end of your rant, though.... Ever heard of a "Metaphor"? It is a figure of speech where someone uses unrelated nouns to represent other nouns in order to explain something, a comparison if you will.