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Old 07-10-2005, 07:07 PM
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Let me just say one thing:

A war on terrorism, is an war that is completely unwinable.

There will always be terrorist, and that is what George W. Bush can't seem to understand. He thinks this is a war, that he can win.

There will always be people who hate us (Americans) because of our freedoms.

If George W. Bush wanted to start a war, he should have started it with Saudia Arabia, not Iraq! The Bush family has always been buddy buddy with the Saudis, and if you do you're research these are the exact people who have been funding muslim extremist! and why have they been buddy buddy with Saudia Arabia, becausee of oil! that's why! GWB is nothing but a greedy oil hungry madman, who cares nothing for the people of his own country, he just wants more oil, which in turn gives him more money!

So if you wanna catch the worst terrorist in the world, you should begin looking at the White House! George W. Bush should be impeached, and not only that but all of his staff should be thrown out on the street as well!

Ok, well i said more than one thing, but I just had to get that off my back.
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Old 07-10-2005, 07:23 PM
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Let me just say one thing:

A war on terrorism, is an war that is completely unwinable.

There will always be terrorist, and that is what George W. Bush can't seem to understand. He thinks this is a war, that he can win.

There will always be people who hate us (Americans) because of our freedoms.


So what you're saying is we should just let the fuckers get away with it and not do anything?
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Old 07-10-2005, 07:55 PM
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So what you're saying is we should just let the fuckers get away with it and not do anything?

Of course, we shouldn't just stand by and do nothing! but what I am saying is this:

that instead of wasting our time with Iraq, which in my opinion had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 unlike George W. Bush claims. We should be going after Al-Qaeda and Osamba Bin Laden, which most of the country has seemed to forget is who attacked us!

I will agree that is good that we removed Sadam from power, but he wasn't the one that attacked us! There has even been proof that Iraq has never had the capability to attack us, he was just a ruthless dicator over his own people!

What you have to realise is that they're will always be people who hate us, and attack the innocent. It is impossible to rid the world of terrorist. As soon as you get rid of one terrorist group another will rise. It's just a vicious circle.
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Old 07-10-2005, 08:11 PM
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They're still finding Al-Qaeda members, every month or so you hear about another few guys they've caught.

They can't get the shit done all at one time and if Bin-Laden is hiding somewhere in one of the God knows how many caves over there then they aren't going to find him anytime soon.

Some people seem to forget that there are still troops over there as well as Iraq and that they aren't going to bring down an entire terrorist organization all at once. And I also don't see the problem with bringing down another terrorist, it's called the war on terror and Saddam was a terrorist.

People keep saying the war is about oil and there's no weapons but what nobody seems to think about is that they literally found Saddam in a hole in the ground, I obviously can't be sure about this but I'd put my money on it that there's more than just that one. Who knows maybe there's weapons in those holes, hell maybe Bin Laden is in one of those holes.
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Old 07-10-2005, 08:24 PM
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They're still finding Al-Qaeda members, every month or so you hear about another few guys they've caught.

They can't get the shit done all at one time and if Bin-Laden is hiding somewhere in one of the God knows how many caves over there then they aren't going to find him anytime soon.

Some people seem to forget that there are still troops over there as well as Iraq and that they aren't going to bring down an entire terrorist organization all at once. And I also don't see the problem with bringing down another terrorist, it's called the war on terror and Saddam was a terrorist.

People keep saying the war is about oil and there's no weapons but what nobody seems to think about is that they literally found Saddam in a hole in the ground, I obviously can't be sure about this but I'd put my money on it that there's more than just that one. Who knows maybe there's weapons in those holes, hell maybe Bin Laden is in one of those holes.

I never expected them to be able to cripple Al-Qaeda over night, and you're right every so often you do hear about, another member being caught. And you could be right, Bin Laden could be hiding in a hole in the ground somewhere or in a cave.

My basic point that I was trying to get across is this:

That we should go after terrorist groups aggressively, but that as we do this, we should realise that we can't expect to totally eliminate terrorist all together. This is a fight that we need to always fight, but it's a fight that has no ending and clearly no winner.
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instead of wasting our time with Iraq, which in my opinion had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 unlike George W. Bush claims. We should be going after Al-Qaeda and Osamba Bin Laden, which most of the country has seemed to forget is who attacked us!
It has been proven that Sadam was helping to finance Al-Qaeda as well as other terrorist organizations...There's your link...

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I will agree that is good that we removed Sadam from power
And...BECAUSE we removed Sadam from power, which left Iraq with no ruler (no control) whatsoever, and allowed the extremists and terrorists to try to gain control of the country, and basically wreak havok and run wild unchecked, we felt it was OUR responsibility to stay and help them to establish their OWN government (free from extremism, and one that would work with and for their people), and to help them fight off the insurgents that felt the country was 'free reign' after Sadam was removed, while building and training their own army so that in the future they could handle these things by themselves...We stayed...And I believe that our soldiers WILL remain there, until Iraq can 'take care' of itself...

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There has even been proof that Iraq has never had the capability to attack us, he was just a ruthless dicator over his own people!!
That's just silly...Sadam had FAR more capability, money, and power to attack us, than Bin Laden did...If Bin Laden attacked us, so could anyone else...That's why they ALL have to be stopped...

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People keep saying the war is about oil and there's no weapons but what nobody seems to think about is that they literally found Saddam in a hole in the ground, I obviously can't be sure about this but I'd put my money on it that there's more than just that one. Who knows maybe there's weapons in those holes, hell maybe Bin Laden is in one of those holes.
The weapons WERE there...Sadam used them on his own people...There's no denying that...

BUT...I doubt that they would be there NOW when Sadam's allies included MANY countries that harbor terrorists and owe Sadam tons of money, as well as many favors...If you think that shit hasn't been passed through Syria...You have to be completely uninformed...
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It has been proven that Sadam was helping to finance Al-Queda as well as other terrorist organizations...There's your link...

If you want to kill a snake, you have to cut off its head...

And...BECAUSE we removed Sadam from power, which left Iraq with no ruler (no control) whatsoever, and allowed the extremists and terrorists to try to gain control of the country, and basically wreak havok and run wild unchecked, we felt it was OUR responsibility to stay and help them to establish their OWN government (free from extremism, and one that would work with and for their people), and to help them fight off the insurgents that felt the country was 'free reign' after Sadam was removed, while building and training their own army so that in the future they could handle these things by themselves...We stayed...And I believe that our soldiers WILL remain there, until Iraq can 'take care' of itself...

That's just silly...Sadam had FAR more capability, money, and power to attack us, than Bin Laden did...If Bin Laden attacked us, so could anyone else...That's why they ALL have to be stopped...

The weapons WERE there...Sadam used them on his own people...There's no denying that...

BUT...I doubt that they would be there NOW when Sadam's allies included MANY countries that harbor terrorists and owe Sadam tons of money, as well as many favors...If you think that shit hasn't been passed through Syria...You have to be completely uninformed...
First off Osama Bin Laden is a Billionare, he wouldn't need financial backing in order to carry out acts of terror. Also as far as WMD, we haven't found any! We have found that he has killed his own people, that is true. I'm glad that we got him out of power, but connecting him to 9/11 , that's the lie that Bush has gotten people to believe.
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Old 07-10-2005, 08:53 PM
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The weapons WERE there...Sadam used them on his own people...There's no denying that...

BUT...I doubt that they would be there NOW when Sadam's allies included MANY countries that harbor terrorists and owe Sadam tons of money, as well as many favors...If you think that shit hasn't been passed through Syria...You have to be completely uninformed...


That's basically what I was trying to say....that everybody is just stuck on this oil theory when there are all sorts of way Sadam coulda got 'em out of there. I don't understand why so many people jumped to a negative conclusion, I remember just months after they'd went into Iraq people were asking questions about and doubting that there were weapons.

You can believe whatever you want to believe the reason for the war in Iraq to be but I don't see what's so bad about getting rid of a terrorist/violent dictator,liberating a country and helping them set up their own government and army.
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First off Osama Bin Laden is a Billionare, he wouldn't need financial backing in order to carry out acts of terror. Also as far as WMD, we haven't found any! We have found that he has killed his own people, that is true. I'm glad that we got him out of power, but connecting him to 9/11 , that's the lie that Bush has gotten people to believe.
Whether Bin Laden NEEDED Sadam's support or not, he still had it...Also, immediately following the 9/11 attacks...ALL of Bin Laden's financial resources were cut off (and still are)...That's where Sadam's support helped him the most...Terrorism and weapons are VERY expensive ;)...

And by the way...I don't believe ANYONE...I form my OWN opinions, based solely on facts...
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Also as far as WMD, we haven't found any!

So what's your point?

He coulda moved 'em, they might be hidden.

Why do so many people want to jump to the negative conclusion, like I just said in my previous post I remember just months after the invasion people were saying the same thing you have to give stuff time. The soldiers aren't just over there looking 24/7 they also have to worry about bombs,bullets going by their heads ect. ect.
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