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Old 03-10-2005, 05:58 AM
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Being a writer, i am one of the biggest proponents of free speech alive. But I believe in Intelligent free speech. If you dont have something useful, interesting, intelligent or relevant to say, shut your fucking mouth.

Absurdity is funny. Absurd death in a monty python movie is funny. Seeing the bad guy get caught in machinary and torn to pieces in amovie can be funny.

A little kid getting raped, no matter the context, is NOT funny.

Back to the free speech thing, people who prove they are to ignorant to maintain a decent outlook should have it revoked. I do not believ in the KKK being allowed to march. Fuck them. This is why i am not a cop, because i would refuse to protect those assholes.

I dont believe serial killers, child molesters, serial rapists, or any other socipaths deserve to be treated like humans. Their entire existance is non-human. Thye lack compassion and the ability to feel any empathy for anyone othger than themselves. As a social creature, those things are part of what make us human, so that makes them somehting inhuman, and therefore not afforded human rights.

I should just put this link in my sig, as i will keep posting it whenever shit like this comes up:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k...r/index_1.html

read the whole thing and then still tell me jokes about killing and raping kids are still funny, because "its just a joke".
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Old 03-10-2005, 05:58 AM
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That's right.

well unfortunately at that point a couple of morons jumped in to say no one has the right to say anything against the jokes .,.etc .. and it turned into a sensless bar room brawl.


we all can say what we like here ... up to the point of what the forum guidlines say we can ..

and no we cant expect people are going to be able to always judge or care what others find to be a sensitive issue ...

i just get really turned off by people being offensive just to get a rise ... i know that's all part of the 'being a kid' deal for people growing up ... it always has been ..

it just gets really tired sometimes ..
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Old 03-10-2005, 06:02 AM
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I dont believe serial killers, child molesters, serial rapists, or any other socipaths deserve to be treated like humans. Their entire existance is non-human. Thye lack compassion and the ability to feel any empathy for anyone othger than themselves. As a social creature, those things are part of what make us human, so that makes them somehtinginhuman, and therefore not afforded human rights.

and before anyone jumps on our point of view ... we're not talking about someone who for some reason known to only themselves, would rather be completely alone ... we're not talking about people who want to be individuals instead of 'part of the herd'

we're talking about anti-humans ... people who are worse than the lowest form of animal. People who prey on other people for their enjoyment.
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Old 03-10-2005, 06:03 AM
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The funny thing is that they do it to stand out and be different, not realizing that everyone around them is already doing it, so they neither stand out nor are different.


Being different simply to be different is pathetic. Being different because that's what you are is cool.
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well, yeah it is .. it's a moral crime anyway ..

if we're going to take this line of discussion .. here goes :

that would be an antisocial moral crime.
if its published and passed around it qualifies as hate literature .. this IS against the law ...
To me it is just as bad if its spoken allowed.

I know you dont feel that way and this is purely an academic discussion on morals, etc ...
bah, damn your last sentence. Oh well
I won't just say "to you"atleast. ;) I'm glad people say racist things actually. I'm not happy they are stupid and racist, but I'm happy that we're allowed to say whatever we want. There shouldn't be any laws against how we think, and I believe we should be allowed to speak our minds regardless of it's in good working order or not.

I hate racism, probably as much as you but I think charging someone for saying something is completely ridiculous.
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Old 03-10-2005, 06:09 AM
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and before anyone jumps on our point of view ... we're not talking about someone who for some reason known to only themselves, would rather be completely alone ... we're not talking about people who want to be individuals instead of 'part of the herd'

we're talking about anti-humans ... people who are worse than the lowest form of animal. People who prey on other people for their enjoyment.
Precisely. I know a lot of people who think serial killers are cool and like the pictures of their victims and all that shit. They never actually study these people and what they have done.

I have been making these same points here:
http://horror.com/forum/showthread.p...threadid=14049

I agree that these people are fascinating in a morbid way, the same way a spider is fascinating. I have done Hours up hours of research on serial killers, pedophiles, cultists, despots, you name it, because of my website. Notice i have only 1 article so far, mostly because i refuse to glorify these people in any way.

I really do think that kids thatmake these kinds of comments hsould have to sit in on an autopsy. If it makes you sickhtu the fuck up. if not, get a job in a mortuary, or get into forensics and put these sick fucks away.

Oh, And shut the fuck up about it.
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Old 03-10-2005, 06:12 AM
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I hate racism, probably as much as you but I think charging someone for saying something is completely ridiculous.

well, its not really - you have to follow history to see why ..
Again - taking this example specifically...

a lot of people are no better than pack animals ...
all it takes is the freedom to start saying you hate something ...
then comes the desire to do something about it ...

For blacks in north america you dont have to go back too far in history to remember a time where someone yelling that would strike fear in the hearts of people who wondered if that night was their night to suffer.

society takes the blame every time someone goes fucking crazy - so why is it wrong for society to assume a positive responsibiliy ?

There is no unfortunate and evil history behind someone yelling 'i hate the colour green' in a crowded place ... no one cares.. it is annoying but not hateful .. there's your free speech.
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Absurdity is funny. Absurd death in a monty python movie is funny. Seeing the bad guy get caught in machinary and torn to pieces in amovie can be funny.

A little kid getting raped, no matter the context, is NOT funny.
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Old 03-10-2005, 06:14 AM
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well, its not really - you have to follow history to see why ..
Again - taking this example specifically...

a lot of people are no better than pack animals ...
all it takes is the freedom to start saying you hate something ...
then comes the desire to do something about it ...

For blacks in north america you dont have to go back too far in history to remember a time where someone yelling that would strike fear in the hearts of people who wondered if that night was their night to suffer.

society takes the blame every time someone goes fucking crazy - so why is it wrong for society to assume a positive responsibiliy ?

There is no unfortunate and evil history behind someone yelling 'i hate the colour green' in a crowded place ... no one cares.. it is annoying but not hateful .. there's your free speech.
Uhhh it's not free speech is you're told it's ok to say this but not that.
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Old 03-10-2005, 06:20 AM
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Do Canadians have a mandated freedom of speech? I know we do here...

There is a line to be drawn. hitler managed to tie up the western world in a war for years simply because of what he had said. Words have much more power than a lot of people want to accept.


Try explaining to a fat kid who gets picked on mercilessly by everyone that "Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words can never hurt you."


They will probably say "Bullshit. You dont have to deal with this abuse, so you have no idea how much they sting."

Speech is more powerful than actionin some cases. Does freedom of speech cover a father twelling his 4 year old daughter that she will have nice tits someday, and he cant wait?

Does it protect a teacher from calling a failing student stupid?

Does it protect someone saying that they ar eplanning on blowing up a major building?

Does it protect some dumb fuck screaming "Fire" in a crowded theater?

Freedom of speech is great, but stupidity should be illeagal, and therefore stupid words should be punishable by law.
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