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10-30-2016, 04:12 PM
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This free speech argument is completely irrelevant. I don't think the argument here is about if they should be arrested or not. You can't just say that someone being insensitive is "breaking taboos." It's just being an asshole. Breaking a taboo would imply that there's some sort of legitimate reason and deeper meaning behind this when there isn't any sort of meaning here. Their intent wasn't to say that reality is scarier than fiction. They're trying to get publicity that they "made fun of the fags who got what was coming to them." I don't get offended by things easily, and I like to welcome debate on controversial topics. There's no debate in this "haunted house," just senseless hatred.
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10-30-2016, 06:05 PM
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Which is not free from repercussions. I would hope there are Christians out there leaving that church in droves, businesses in the community pulling their donations/support from the place, and a general tone around town that says, "Stay away from them, they're as bad as Westborrow.". As for being arrested? No way...
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That kind of blows my mind. If the nation has Free Speech, then how is "hate speech" something other than "free speech"? "Hate Speech" has been defined, you know, by someone, but I read it's not an legal term. Here's wikipedias definition: Quote:
The US Supreme Court has maintained that speech can be restricted if it specifically promotes imminent violence. So that is the threshold at which it can become something other than "Free Speech", so to speak. There's also restrictions/prosecutions/fines against libel and things related to that. So what is conveyed at this haunted house could be both free speech and hate speech. But is what's written is this article enough to conclude there was going to be hate speech? If there is, I missed it. Maybe someone can point it out to me, without making assumptions. And in the above posts, I've read a lot of assumptions. The bigger point to me is beyond the specifics we're guessing about with the little info we have about this haunt. Namely, freedom of speech is our most fundamental and important right. If we lose that, everything we have is in imminent danger. “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ― George Orwell "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall “I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an ass of yourself.” ― Oscar Wilde “If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.” ― George Washington “Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties.” ― John Milton “Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.” ― Benjamin Franklin
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Sculpt, I get the sense you believe hate speech is a made up term, but as you correctly note, not all speech or expression is constitutionally protected. I think there are problems with relying on the court's definition. But, the imminent threat here may be incitement. If some Christians had left the haunted house with its advertised message in mind:
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