More Urgeok Musings : Most Men Hate Women
 

Recently I've become aware of something...
It's true that - if you have a shred of intelligence - you have a better understanding of the world as you get older. You see things, stuff starts to sink in and make sense.

i recently realized not long ago that most men don't like women.

they may want them,
desire them,
need them.

but they dont like them. they are a neccessary evil.
they're good for getting a nut off, for cooking, cleaning, laundry..etc

but they would rather spend 99% of their time doing anything but being around a woman - unless it's in the pursuit or act of sex.

Once i realized this through conversation and observation of action and interraction I started to take a look at the reason why.

there are a bunch of reasons .... but i think the weight of it comes from how children are raised traditionally.

the concept of the fair - or weaker sex is still cultivated today.

****** At this point I'll make a disclaimer ... most of these observations focus on mr average joe. mr steak and potatoes. or backward cultures.
I know there are a number of enlightened people out there trying to change the world with a progressive vision - but they are by far the minority. And they're fighting a battle they will never win********

usually - boys are raised to be the rough kids - encouraged to participate in sports, playing with trucks and cars, getting dirty .... girls are handed dolls and they begin the 'nurturing program' Taking care of things ...playing tea party ... shopping games....

Eventually they grow to teens ... where girls are encouraged to hold on to their virginity until they marry their prince charming, and the boys are not discouraged from chasing everything and anything like it's the national sport.


so now most boys - who are incredibly emotionally immature when this process starts - are faced with the very probable experience with rejection ..

yes yes, no no, please please, wait wait ... etc .and so on.

plus - girls are different ... they like to shop, they dont care about sports, or car engines...

but mostly - they wont put out without a fight or a hell of a lot of hard work.
and how many guys once they get it - immediately lose interest .. and the girl gets branded a slut.... easy.

sounds like 1950s pulp fiction - but it exists today.

i see guys casually referring to women as 'bitches' all the time. not out of anger ... just a word to use. Funny how 'bitch' became such a popular word ... it's used to describe men who arent 'hard'
But i hear more guys referring to women as bitches now - I believe as a result of the popular usage of the word - that guys can now express their true feelings without it being noticeable.

I'm always hearing about guys that need to 'get away with the boys'
they enjoy themselves more 'with the boys' they can be themselves.

why is that ? who are the women they chose to be with that wont let them 'be themselves' why did they settle for that woman ??
because she cooks and keeps the house clean ? she's pretty ?
But she's someone who's incapable of being a friend ?

Men rape. every fucking day men rape. men are predators. and it's not a crime of passion .. its a crime of hate and power. Sept. 2008 in our great and advanced civilization and yet every single city in north america has several places a woman just cant go at night because she'd be 'asking for it'
a guarenteed rape victim.

fucking think about this for a second.

Most men don't like women. they are bitches, they are intimidating, they are impossible to understand, they have only one thing a man could want and after he gets it the woman has no value until he wants it again.

oh - and heaven forbid a woman cheats on a man .. because then they are all sluts. every last one of them - good for nothing dirty sluts.

get rejected by a girl .. they're all bitches .. stuck up fucking bitches.

think i'm making this up ? i work in a corporate environment with 1000's of people - i hear these things all the time. I hear them in the sports i play, i hear them all over.

i DONT hear them from friends because i dont associate with people sad and stupid enough to feel this way - but they exist... and they are the majority.

Most women (unless physically or emotionally abused) wont see much of this - because it wouldnt serve the purpose of any man to show this lovely side of himself to someone who could potentially be of use to him, even if for just a brief time.

personally - i love women... I love the idea of women, i love being around them, the way they look, smell, laugh....
other then the aesthetically pleasing aspects - i dont differentiate between men and woman (other than shoe buying jokes)

i differentiate between stupid and decent people. people i can stand to be around and people i cant .... and the numbers are pretty much even.

i wouldnt marry someone i couldnt be myself with.... someone i couldnt hang out with and do the same things with i would one of the guys.
I have no need to get away - we do things as a group.
I dont got to parties where the guys hang in the den drinking and talking sports and trucks and the tits on the admin assistant, and the women hang in the kitched talking about the sales ... and neither does my wife.

thats a bunch of bullshit but it still exists today - and it is the majority.

dont like it ? - raise your kids not to be stereotypical assholes.

rant off.


what i dont know is ... do most women hate men ? ( i suspect not - but i really cant be sure)

I would think so.

Except for the fact that most women are faithful towards their men. Any act of unfaithfulness originates only when their man does something which instigates that.

But generally, women do have a bit of hate towards all men. Plus, they hate women more. Plenty of examples in 20s and 30s women - haven't seen this much in older ones though.

woah - i'd have to disgree with that one ..

not these days

For many of them, everythign you wrote preceeding this. Maybe its because I married a woman who knows more about people than anyone i've ever met, but I am not used to being around women who dont have a firm grasp of how men usually are.

I wasnt actually raised to treat women as equals, but that was one area where my parents managed to not screw up too badly. My dad never treated my mom as anything other than a partner. He worked, she was a housewife, but those were their jobs, and nothign i really associated with their "place" because of their gender.

For this reason, i find 50's style parodies hilarious, because they are just ridiculous. I would love to see a man try to treat my wife like a "typical woman". That would be a very rude awakeneing. :)

Yep, these days too. A vast majority still stick with their men - be it drunken bastards or useless asswipes who do nothing all day but get stuck to their couches watching TV and drinking beer.

There is a streak of faithfulness in a woman - you have to admire that.

I have to agree with Urge.

Women are nothing but dirty pigs who only think with their.... erhem.

huh ?

(i think you left a thought uncomplete here)

i dont admire that at all (in that scenario)

aha, i thought you wrote this:
what i dont know is ... why do most women hate men ?

ohh ok gotcha ... you mean many do - for the very same behaviors i outlined

You d rather have em kick those assholes out eh?

i'd rather see some strength - survivor instincts.
lack of dependancy.

it's got to be a partnership.

i dont admire willing victims.


we have one life to live .. do everything in your power to make the most of it.

I think most women hate other women more. Nobody can rip a woman to shreds better than another woman, cause we know exactly what buttons to push.

Which is why I stay away from them... crazy bitches.

Attaboy, hellfire! :D

Amen brother.
I had a list of men I was going to fuck after my BS happened.
Turns out, I just don't have it in me to do that:(



But one day,there will be Justice for pain.
Not so much in the biblical sense or human law.
There has to be a balance between calm and chaos, and these days chaos is the majority, which cannot continue without some serious repercussions.
I have to believe this or else I'll go insane.


Urgeok has alot of valid points.I pretty much agree.
But I think also that there are bad men from bad upbringing and giving the chance, could turn into a very enlightened male not buying into being a base animal.


Also, I have to agree with your point about hating females more.
We get old and guess what? Some cute young twat starts shaking her ass and being adorable.
What man can really resist that and what woman can compete?

i think thats part of the problem again - with how kids are traditionally raised.

i found that as a boy - i was encouraged to play team sports ... and now many years later (i'm stillplaying them) i've seen the benefits - reflected in how men interreact.

there are a lot of insecure guys. That breeds inferiority problems, like mistrust, envy, competition... I'm betting most of these guys didnt play team sports - or play them long.

what i got out of these sports was comraderie, sportsmanship, confidence, fair play, honesty, and the enjoyment of being a team player.

guys who experienced this have better relationships at work .. they dont feel they have to prove something all the time, if there is a conflict they approach it dead on and get it resolved.

(sales and marketing people tend to gravitate to solo sports - which speaks volumes)

until recently - girls weren't encouraged to participate in team sports ...
(its changing though and you can see the positive effects)

but my wife works in a mostly female environment and man are they fucking nuts .. fighting all the time, one camp against the other - people taking sides, back stabbing.

i'm not saying there arent guys that do this but they seem to be the minority - and are not popular people.

I'm not talking about superjocks here ... i'm just talking about guys who learned about teamwork at an early age and brought the positive aspects of that to everything they did later.

No prob'... just doing my part to fuel the hatred against my gender. ;)

i find that really disturbing ...

cute young twat ?

you're condeming/blaming people for being young and attractive ?

if thats all it takes for a guy to stray - why would want that man ?

youth has it's attractions - but it lacks experience. even as a kid i loved older women... i love the confidence that should come with maturity.
A youthful beautiful body might turn my head for a second in appreciation - but a mature self confident woman exudes a sexiness that keeps my head turned constantly.

bitterness is not attractive.

yes.


If i keep it to one word answers, I reduce the risk of looking like an ass...

And it's not bitterness, ask any woman over 35 if things are starting to worry her about losing that youth and beauty. Why do you think my age group is the highest percentage going to plastic surgery?
It's not fun growing old in a society that does not value Females in any respect.
Ask ANY female here, I am sure they can explain it better than I.
You have no idea what it like to be born without a dick, it's a whole different world!The pressure that starts before puberty....

You know? If you have a wife that is that secure- then God Bless her soul, but most of us struggle with self-esteem and we don't even know WHY.


I'm done with this converstion-you believe whatever you want about me.

I don't know about participating in team sports (which I did... hmm... ok I see your point a bit better), but I do know that women have always been competitive, although for different reasons today. And the reason is men.

And here we are again... back full circle. And it doesn't just happen with the 20s or 30s, although it's more frequent in those age groups. I'm talking 60 year olds trying to compete with 40 year olds, etc... We've been taught that we're not worthy unless we can capture men's attentions and favors. Our only validation comes from a guy's approval. These are ideas that are still perpetuated today and are evident everywhere, even in this damn forum. That's the way it goes. Except women, instead of revolting together against these dangerous thoughts, we lash out on each other.


See? Man-hating dykes and hardcore feminists had it right all along. :p

It can be a vicious circle, the whole older guy younger girl scenario. I just went through one with my last roommate. He had just broke up with his girlfriend and started dating an 18yr old. Then he ended up complaining constantly about her maturity level. Well, she IS 18, mate.

I get the constant guy at work think, too. "Dude, you need to go out and get laid." No, I don't. Getting your rocks off is all fine and dandy, but I find it pointless if it's not with someone who I at least enjoy being around. Not that I didn't spend a few years going to the bar and doing just that. I found out that that loses its charm really quick.

It is partly social upbringing. It's also part of the mans/womans mentality and their ability to learn from their mistakes of being "young, dumb and full of cum." If a guy can't learn that finding someone you enjoy doing things with other than sex is more important than finding that 'smokin' young hottie' then he'll most likely never find anyone of the opposite sex that he can relate to on any level. Therefore, he's going to end up being miserable and possibly hating the opposite sex. If the woman can't get over trying to attract a guy simply by being a hottie and realize that she should probably find a guy who wants to do things with her other than have sex, then she'll inevitably end up losing faith in all men and hating them.

Fortunately, a lot of people seem to learn this as they grow older. Unfortunately, there are just as many who never do.

I have to go with urge on the older female attraction level, too. I've always been attracted to older women since I was a young tyke.

i believe things are changing in re. to how older women are perceived .. but women are maturing differently as well.


there is a recent focus on 'quality of life' - in the last 20 years or so.
they are saying that 50 is the new 40 - because of this.

it wasnt long ago that the trend was - well, i'm married - who gives a shit about what kind of shape i'm in... and men - and women would stop taking care of themselves and slip into sexless blob status.

i guess this did bother men more than the women (i'm guessing) because men are more visually driven than women .. not sure why - but this is something else thats changing.


i think older women are coming into their own these days (speaking from personal experience)

shit we have a woman on our floor who must be in her 50's ... she walks with confidence, dresses well, has a decent figure (not a willowy teen figure - but a figure) a sexy walk - and there isnt a guy who doesnt smile when she walks past - young or old.

she kept herself in decent shape - but more important - projects an air of confidence and subtle sexuallity - nothing overt.

i know young guys think every girl has to look like early britney .. but why would any mature woman in her right mind feel she has to compete with that ?

i think 30 - 40 is tough on a woman - but after that many seem to come into their own and become comfortable with themselves - if they made the choice to care about their health and appearance.

and this goes for men too - aklthough nasty old guys seem far TOO comfortable as they mature.


anyway - i dont know why you'd be 'done' with the conversation .. it's an interesting dialogue.

all i think of you is that you aren't as happy as you should be ...

i'd like to see everyone happy. (except a couple of my ex-bosses)

Proof that you can still be extremely sexy in your 50's:

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV...257_SY400_.jpg

oh yeah ... nothing sexier to me than a little box with a red X in it ..

go baby go !!! :p

This work better?

http://www.mainandcentral.org/home/m...%20and%20I.jpg

Nobody here is mentioning biological imperative. Is it considered invalid? We may be thinking, feeling individuals, but we are members of a species as well, and as such we have a biological urge to perpetuate the species. It's instinct. Men are hard coded to spread their seed and create as many cubs as possible- for the good of the species. Women seek out a steady relationship so the young can be reared safely- for the good of the species.

I'm not saying this as an endorsement of any religious or political agenda- just from an anthropological standpoint it explains a lot of behavior. Certainly we have free will to behave any way we choose- but I think a lot of people don't make concious choices in their lives- they just go along doing whatever seems easiest at the time.

I was raised in a family where both parents worked but it was apparent to me that my mother was more intelligent and made more money. I also had a talented and intelligent sister. I didn't participate it sports, but I did do theatre- which is just as good for team building skills.

oh yeah :) much



mind you- she has to keep looking good for professional reasons .. my hats off to the older women who do it for themselves.


funny - i think some people use the phrase 'cougar' in a negative fashion ..

its a big turn on for me ... good for those older women, looking hot and getting a young guy.

it'll be the most rewarding experience that young man will probably ever have

yeah - i was anticipating this and it's valid - for the 'lower order'

we have a lot of built in instincts at a genetic level that we have been able to overcome with our advanced intelligence.

sure if you want to be base and stupid you can allow animal instincts to rule you..

ever see little kids play together ... as soon as they are old enough to notice - the boys and girls seperate .. eventually the black and white kids seperate. it's natural .. like blue fish swimming together, yellow fish swiming together..

but we use our 'superior intelligence' to combat that. we learn that you dont have to be afraid or untrusting of something because it's different.

respect replaces fear.

its the same exact thing as the whole reproduction arguement ...
i know its was the primary reason why we have an urge to have sex, its the primary reason why we continue to survive against all odds .. the continuation of the species ..

but a mature adult surely has control over these things - finds other values in a woman rather than just a place to make a baby.

A 49-year-old's opinion:

I don't hate men. Even after multiple failed relationships, I don't hate men. In fact, I enjoy being around men (urge, someday I'm coming to Canada and not telling my uncle). I don't hate women. I also enjoy being around women. Truth be told, I enjoy being around people. Maybe it's my age, I don't know. I have no time for assholes. If you're going to be an asshole - male or female - I'm walking away. Have a great life.

I don't worry about my looks disappearing. I do color my hair, but only because I think the gray makes me look washed out. But as for the wrinkles, sagging, etc. - who gives a shit. I have many female friends that are in their late teens/early 20s.

*steps off soapbox*

and thats just sexy.

Because it's a knee-jerk reaction when someone hits me where truth is.

Bitter? not so much on the harsh side, but I have my moments when I see very clearly a chick shaking her ass at my husband because she has grown up in an even MORE youth and beauty oriented miasma than I and thinks she can pull some stupid shit because I am older, so I couldn't possibly compete with her regardless of what he feels for me.
And I do not doubt this man loves me, because I have made it very clear where the door is if he is not happy, you dig?
He knows I am not the type to resort to dragging him down, or making it hard where the children are concerned. He has free reign to do what he wants and he has chosen to be a family.

Miserable? yes, sometimes I am quite miserable because I feel trapped and there is not a GD thing I can do about right now.
And to top it off, I am getting older, I do not get looked at as much now and honey-I feel it. This is important to me, I am not sure if it's just a Hormone thing or if it was beat into me growing up. Probably a mixture of both.

Shallow? Yes, absolutely, but the truth is I was never approached by male or female because I was smart or a really good person.
And now I am old.
And I have not cultivated my mind or the sense of who I am . My fault, I take full responsiblity for that-but now I am left with not much except to raise some decent children. This is not a lament- just fact.

And before you say it, yes, I have steps in my life right now leading to change what I do not like.
Because I am a big believer in Life Is What You Make It

I'm a stay at home dad and my wife works full-time - so stereotypes busted here.

well, those stereotypes anyway ;)

*Snort* Queer....


Oh wait, i was doing that until a month ago....

I like me a strong woman, and they don't get much stronger than Bree. I grew up loving characters like Ripley and Sarah Conner, while the actresses were pretty attractive physically, they were never my type in that department (I like some meat, and i like big boobs. not my fault, i don't know why, i just do), but their attitude and frankly, balls attracted me.

Bree is very speak your mind, take no shit, but has avoided being the "corporate bitch" type who is always on and has pretty much no soft side. She inst a man hating sociopath, just a woman who will voice her opinion without fear of what the other person might say back. She welcomes conflict.

I on the other hand, hate conflict. I have gotten way better about facing it, but i still hate it.

If most people lived by your ideals the world would be a better place, Hammer. :cool:

most men hate women? most women hate women!

infact, the average man doesn't even know what hate is. You can feel hate, it doesn't have a taste but you can still be blindfolded and be like "ok, some bitch is hating me right now. take off this blindfold right now!"

Thank you. That didn't make any sense.

Since it's coming from the land of nonsense ambassador, I'm not really phased by that remark. ;)

that's a woman scorned, emotional, hot flash hate...
like a momentary psycho hate.


the men i'm talking about experience it as a matter of fact - like the sky is blue and the leaves are green.

i'd rather see an emotion invoked on one person in a rage rather than a pathetic loser painting half the planet with the bitch/slut brush because they cant get laid.