Transvestites...Opinions?
 

I'm just curious about what you guys think...I see the forum members here as very open-minded...But...I wonder...

I know a LOT of guys who like to wear women's clothes sometimes, and put on make-up, etcetera...But, they ONLY date and are attracted to women...They are my friends, I don't have a problem with it, it's their own personal life...

What do YOU guys think about it?

And what if one of your close friends, beer-drinking buddies, or a male family member said something to you like, "Ya know, I kinda think it's sexy to wear panties, especially when I'm with my girlfriend", or if you saw one of them out in public or dropped by their house and they were dressed as a woman...Would you be surprised?...How would you respond?

To be honest, as long as they arent murdering, stealing, rapingor molesting, anything goes...


If Lily grows up to be a Lesbian, or even decides that she would rather be "Roger", she lucked out with her parents. Bree and I could care less (ok, i would rather she wanted to stay a girl, but it's not my life, and she would still be my kid.)


Life is hard enough wihtout other poeple crammin gtheir opinion down your throat. Hell, Eddie Izzard is a great spokesman for Transvestites.

i think it's goofy


i'm not a 50's male neandrathal ..
I dont think there is anything unnatural about being gay.
i believe in 100% equality between men and women - and all races, creeds and colours.

I have worked for women and my wife makes more $$$ than i do.
I dont see any of this as a threat to my masculinity.

I changed more of my babys diapers and was closer to him than my wife until he was 2. i clean up after dinner and help cook if needed (if not i'm working on something else in the house or spending time with my son)

Spending time alone with my kid IS NOT babysitting - it's being a parent to my son. I freaking hate it when dads refer to spending time with their kids as 'babysitting'.

I dont sit around talking sports/nascar with my friends - or how we'd like to fuck the girl on the 5th floor in marketing .. we actually talk in depth about the human condition, movies, books, relationships, etc ..

none of these things make me feel any less a man.


but .... i think there is something fucking weird about a guy who wants to dress like a woman ...and it's not halloween.

i also think men who are straight - but act/talk effeminatly ... are weird.
never been comfortable with fence sitters.

also - in a related matter - i think the concept of being in touch with your feminine side is complete idiotic shit.

i dont believe in a female side or a male side .. we're all human and we all want the same things ..

like i said once before there is only 2 mental/emotional differences in the sexes.

1) how we fight/argue/discuss

2) the whole shoe buying thing.


i believe in some parts of the world - even these differences disappear



edit : i missed part of the question..


how would i respond if i saw a buddy like that ?

"what the fuck are you doing wearing a dress ???!! you sure as hell dont have the legs for it!!!"

This is SO true...I love the way you think :)

I have only ONE friend who doesn't want anyone to know, and he's miserable...He believes his family would disown him, he's afraid he'd lose his job and that his friends would turn their backs on him, he won't even tell his GIRLFRIEND, and for all he knows she may even like the idea...He doesn't live where we live, and I guess some places are not as 'accepting' as others...But, I don't understand what he's afraid of, because he is NOT doing anything illegal, he likes to do it for fun, it excites him, and it makes him feel more sexually uninhibitted...I think it's really sad that he feels he has to hide this part of him, and that he is actually suffering because of it...It must be terrible to have to pretend that you're someone you're not...It would kinda be like being in prison, locked away inside of yourself...

He isn't even GAY

All of the rest of my friends who do this (and live around here), are perfectly happy to express themselves however they like...Everyone here knows that they do it, hell they even do it in public, and just about all of the girls I know think it's sexy as hell...I think the turn on is knowing that a guy who isn't afraid to do that is very uninhibited sexually, and willing to try new things...It's much better than someone whose closed off and uptight...Who wants to hear "No, I couldn't do THAT" ?...No matter WHAT the 'that' is when it comes to sex...

These guys get ALL the chicks, I'm serious...They are very happy guys :)

I TOTALLY agree with that...And I've said it myself

Thanks for your opinion :)

thats a line in the sand that gets conveniently moved by people as they see fit ..

you yourself are uptight about nudity (outside of the house) and have inhibitions that other people might think very puritan..

That's true, mostly I just hate nudity/sex in horror movies, because it's usually pointless, and takes up time that could have been used for horror-related stuff (a scare, some blood and guts, SOMETHING)...I'm sure that people who watch pornos would be a little irritated if 30 minutes of their porno got sidetracked with kittens playing on a lawn, know what I mean?...


It really IS a matter of perception...That's why I like to hear different opinions...I like to consider things from the other point of view, ya know?

Whatever floats your boat.

Whatever blows YOUR skirt up?:confused: :eek:

Its a kilt:mad:

yep, you have to be very careful when defining the parameters for 'uptight'
everyone has their own personal comfort threshhold.

now - do i think its wrong and people shouldnt do it ? no - not for me to say
do what you like if it makes you happy and doesnt infringe upon anyone elses health.

there's a lot of people doing 'extreme' things that i dont personally agree with.. but that doesnt mean i'll want to hang around with them while they're doing it. It definately creates a gap in the things we have in common.


bottom line - it can be for someone else - but i'm not in the least bit interested in it .. i just think it's goofy .

I wouldn't really call someone like that a transvestite, yknow...not that I'd really know WHAT to label these ones...I dunno, if they "get" that its their thing, and not yours without taking offence, then whatever...Of course I feel I've got the right to call something "weird" and not give much a shit outside.
Wouldn't really persocute a person unless maybe they showed up for a job interview like that or something. If they were a guy, I might wonder why they'd bother with effort of all the endless shit women seem to...but that's about all.
To me, a "transvestite" would be someone who makes their whole life about wearing nothing but the clothes and other accessories generally worn by the opposite sex, someone you'd not really see in their "true" form (no matter what they'd call their true form). As for how I feel about them, same as I feel about most gay folk "My world is different from theirs, we'll get along just fine as long as that's understood."

HaHa...But some guys actually DO...They really, really do

Have you seen RuPaul's legs?...Holy cow!:eek:

Hate it when they stick the fuzzy animals in my PRON!:p Yea...it kind of irks me sometimes because it limits what/when I can watch things and what I can watch with my 14yo daughter...I don't mind cursing, gore, cheese in m ovies she watches...she's a big horror fan...but I can't watch a ridiculous sex scene (in the woods, on the floor...etc...) with her...she's smarter than me and she knows whats going on in the real world...but if I want sex scenes, I'll get a sex movie.

Seriously though...I personally have no problem with what anyone does, as long as it doesn't effect/affect me or my family in a negative way.
What I do have a problem with, is when groups who oppsoe things for no reason other than being on the bandwagon or being a part of the group(ex: Churches fighting alcohol sales, Gay bashing by dumb rednecks who probably haven't even seen a gay guy, etc..) that type of thing.

If I found my friend doing that...I would say hey man, do you think you could change into something a bit more manly before we go out?

another point .. never had a problem finding girlfriends ...amazing i know given my dog's breakfast looks ... and they were all gorgeous ..

i've said many times i'm luckier than i've had a right to be ..

but i can guarentee that none of them ... with the exeption of maybe one - would very much appreciate me showing up to the dance in a teddy and high heels.

there are a lot of girls - i expect the majority - that would find a guy dressed like a girl to be quite a turn off .. a lot of women still like men to look and act like men (men - not assholes many men think they are supposed to act like)

i know there are a lot of girls who like the waif boys with the long hair ..
and thats cool - those guys need love too ...

i think most of the girls i've known though - prefer a guy who spends less time preening in front of a mirror than themselves.

Oh no, they would never do that...They really only do it for fun, or for sexual purposes...Kinda like when someone dresses casually to go out, or includes some type of costume or special outfit in the bedroom...

Kinda like if YOU went for a job interview for a job that requires you to wear a suit, you wouldn't show up in jeans and a t-shirt, know what I mean?

And they don't intend for it to be extreme or shocking...They just like it...

Some of the guys have explained it to me this way (because, yes, I asked)...They feel that women are sexually powerful, and they have a lot of respect for them, so when they dress as women THEY feel sexually powerful, which arouses them, makes them feel more comfortable, and helps to sway their inhibitions...And some just feel that they are more sexually appealing as women, because they believe they look better that way, which makes them feel better about themselves...Not ALL of the guys I know feel that way, some have different reasons, and some have absolutely no idea WHY they like it...Just like I have no idea why I like some of the things I like....

Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that point, although I've said the exact same thing here MANY times...My son (who is almost 12) is very limited in what he can watch with me now, and it's really kinda sad because he LOVES horror movies, and I grew up on the stuff...I was really hoping that HE could, too...There are still some that he CAN watch with me, but he used to get excited when he'd see a cool preview, then very disappointed when he would find out that he couldn't even watch the movie because of the sex...Now he doesn't even look forward to anything anymore...and that is very sad to me...He CAN watch the Saw movies, and he absolutely loves those (as well as Shaun Of The Dead)...I hope the 3rd doesn't get ruined with that crap...He would be extremely upset if that happened

I'm with most of you. Transvestite, transexual, transgender, gay, bi, straight, whatever. I think it's better for people to be open about what they like. Not necessarily in the walking down the street flaunting it sense (although it's never really bothered me) but you know, if you want to let your friends, including me if I'm one, know what your about, it's cool. Better that than holding it in for so long that you end up breaking and doing something really messed up from all the pressure exploding.

Drag queens love me for some reason; I used to get hit on by them all the time at the clubs. I was never offended; more flattered really. As long as when I say "Thank you for the compliment, but that's not my gig," and they except that, it's no problem what so ever. If they were persistent about it (they never have been, except for maybe a drunken sleeze or two, which is funny) it might bug me. I imagine it's the same way with ladies whom have a guy hitting on them that just won't quit no matter what they say.

My first career was in musical theater, breadway and such.

As such I'm much more familiar with drag queens than transvstites, but there is a certain similarity.

It's a fantasy, an escape away from the gruff, masculine world into the softness and glamour of an idealized (and very male) idea of femininity. Having had several friends who do drag shows and such, I've been dolled up by them and paraded around in public - and it was hilarious.

I'm not a transvestite, I'm not gay but I would consider myself open minded about most thing sexual (and Urge, public nudity doesn't bother me - but it bothers people like you, so I respect that and keep my clothes on - and my wife would love it if I dressed up for her) If you like it, fine, knock yourself out! What harm can come from it?

now trans-gender operations...I do have a hang-up about that, primarily because it takes a greatr deal of self-hatred to go through such a violent and painful operation...but that's my hang-up.

you misread something up there bub !

Oh trust me...My male friends would NEVER do that...They love their equipment, they love having sex with women, the women love their equipment, and yeah...They would never give up their guns...lol..The guys I know would never even CONSIDER it, and would actually be horrified by the very idea...As a matter of fact, ONE of those guys is quite proud of his endowment

It's really not a 'gay' thing pertaining to THESE guys...A lot of people don't understand that...It's like these guys wanna be lesbians, but with penises...I know that sounds confusing...And people do constantly ask them if they're gay...

I think transvestites are like everybody else.....as long as they're not hurting anyone, what's the big deal? Show some folks a guy in a dress and they automatically start looking for Alfred Hitchcock and a butcher knife, or a bullseye on their ass, or something.

Actually, I really like womens clothes. I like choosing clothes for my girlfriend, but she doesn't like what I choose. :(

I've dressed as a woman for a laugh. Me and my brother are thinking of doing a rocky horror show party, and were argueing over who gets to dress as frankenfurter :D

But, I don't get turned on with it or anything. If any of my mates do, then I don't care. If I called round a mates house and he was dressed as a woman, I wouldn't be offended. I'd laugh my friggin arse off, but I wouldn't avoid him or anything. :D

I may try to catch him on my mobile phone camera though...

that makes me ask why ?

why would you laugh - what would you find funny ?

if the guy did it for sexual reasons and you caught him and laughed - that would be like sticking a knife in the guy ..


i mean .. i'd laugh too ..

Well, they're my mates. We're constantly looking to get one in on each other in that juvenile male way :D

Trust me, if it was me that they found, I'd never hear the end of it.

If I thought that it would genuinely hurt them, then I wouldn't laugh. Or I'd try my damndest not to.

No, really, I would.

Did you just say what I think you just said???

well, he did say 'mate' :D

Men who are heterosexual dressing as women doesn't bother me at all. Somewhere in these posts someone mentioned the brilliant Eddie Izzard, who "fancies women," I'd go out with Eddie.

I have a hard time with transexuals and drag queens though, and because I am, in some ways, part of the gay community I've hung out with both. I don't like the idea of someone trying to be a woman when they're not. (And I'm sure, you guys feel the same about women who want to be men). Being a woman is not just that hole, which on transgender, is artificial, or boobs or make-up, and who's prettier (Rod, I remember you telling us that in one of your experiences dressing up that someone said, "It's not even as if your cute" or something... It pissed me off).

You know, being a woman is about the experiences and processes of womanhood. It's insulting, almost to be reduced to pure phsycial form. It's almost as insulting as hetero men seeing us for our outer self. As I said before, it's probably the same for guys. Being a man is not just the penis, it's all of the processes and experiences of manhood. Like Urge said, there's a big difference, and that's a big difference that no opperation and no amount of make-up, prosthesis, and wishing can change.

Having said that... Homosexuality is not a choice. "Fence sitting," at least for me, is not a choice. I genuinely find both men and women physically attractive, and therefore, for me, love, romantic sexual love- like the kind that gets people married- doesn't come in one flavor.

Let me give you a little excert from Ani Difranco's "In or Out," "Some days the line I walk turns out to be straight/ Other days the line tends to deviate/ I've got no criteria for sex or race/ I just want to hear your voice/ I just want to see your face."

*Groan* I fell straight for that one.

But while I'm at it...

:eek:

Monty Python, Eddie Izzard, Jamie Foxx... all proved that men in dresses are funny. Ok, so maybe not Jaime Foxx.

ok let the stoning begin, i haven't a problem with transvestites,lesbians,or
gay men. i donot want my girls to be gay. i donot mean to offend anyone
it's just a life style of shame! meaning by i don't know one gay person who
didn't feel ashamed at one point time, scared and live life a lie for as long
as they could. now there are some proud ones out there, but to each one who is out of the closet, there are ten more who are in the closet.

I have to admit that Euro is fucking halarious!!! :D

Because the parent instilled the shame

well, a dress just doesn't suit me I think. But I've had some crazy adventures featureing transvestites when I lived in Sydeney. they are quite common there, especially mardi gra time of year. Fun and stange times, like most of life realy. I can't handle people who freak out about a trany, and I can always pick them aswell.

Oh, but YOU would actually look pretty good in a dress (it's true, not ALL men can pull it off), but seriously, I could see it working for you...And, if you grew your hair back, it would work even better :)

I maybe Maybe it's just that red poka dots wasn't my thing,

Heh...That could be it...You should do something sleek, solid and black ;)

my legs are just to masculine, I would have to wear some leggings, and that's just going to far.

Have you ever worn a suit, I mean a man suit? And how did it feel ( in the voice of Dr Zoidberg)?

HaHa...I just saw (and heard), Dr. Zoidberg saying that, followed by the sound he makes...


I haven't worn a man's suit...NOT because it's a MAN'S suit, but just because it's a suit...I'm not a suit type person...

However...ALL of the clothes I wear could be considered men's clothes...Mostly just t-shirts, pants, boots, and jackets...We all wear each other's clothes here, well those of us that can fit into the same clothes...We can all wear Dustin's, Shane's and mine...Some of us can't wear some of Seri's clothes...She actually has a few smaller, form fitting, more girly things...about 3-4 shirts I can think of that I KNOW the guys couldn't (and most likely wouldn't wanna) wear...And Seri can wear ALL of OUR clothes (that's why I can hardly ever find mine half the time)...

I have ONE dress...Seri has worn it....And Dustin and I have worn it (but only in my room)

Seri has a few skirts....I have worn her black miniskirt (I'm wearing it in my 'boots' picture)...Shane has worn her burgundy skirt....And Dustin can't fit into Seri's skirts...lol

NONE of us own ANY shoes or boots that could be considered feminine in ANY way...


It's just clothes...Fabric cut and sewn together into various shapes...I don't see what the big deal is...

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