Well I don't think that day will ever come. I think this thread alone has illustrated how strongly people feel about their right to bear arms, and I don't see that ever changing.

I agree (sorry), there are plenty of things that can be done besides banning guns to help improve the situation, but it does seem like the NRA piss and moan every single time someone suggests implementing changes, and they normally get their way.

Well, the NRA is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington which means they have a lot of control over what happens with our laws.

See there? Once again lobbyists are a HUGE part of the problem.

And just like that, this entire thread has come full circle. :)

When Australia issued tough arse gun laws. Gun crime has risen.


What if the government looks to over throw the people

If you take out Americans right to bear arms. Then you run the risk of setting a precedent. If you change once. It no longer becomes a big deal to make changes again. Europe/ britain. Are both a mess. They have no freedoms. They would be the last people i would take advice from when it comes to what makes a better country

Hell yeah, Britain is the new Nazi Germany!


I tried to buy some fish and chips and I got fish and french fries. I was all, what the fuck! Where are my Lays!

Guess that's what you get when the Queen is the law.....

If the government decides to overthrow the people, your gun collection isn't going to save you.

Out of curiosity, Wufong, where are you from?

We're a mess? Wish someone had told me.


The biggest problem I have in the UK is the ridiculous price of fuel, Im not certain what freedoms you have that I dont? Its not like we're North Korea.

You would be surprised at how many people in the military don't feel that way. Honestly...

Exactly. The military is made up of civilians like you and I. If the government ever got out of control to the point that the people decided to rise up against them, it's a safe bet that a healthy portion of the military would be on the people's side, not the governments.

We're a long way from that, but threatening to take away people's guns would be a pretty big step in the wrong direction.

One thing Ive learned from this thread is that people like bwind, despare & wufongtan see their right to own a gun on a par with owning a car (right?), a basic everyday thing.

I, naively it would appear, did not realize how commonplace or everyday a thing such as gun ownership is in the US and the fact that you have equated it with having the freedom of speech is stronger than I would've thought.

To put it my perspective, in my nearly 34 years Ive never even held a gun, let alone fired one. The only times Ive ever seen a gun is in the hands of the armed forces (during parades and open days etc) and armed police, primarily at airports (remember the bulk of UK police are not armed). Whilst it is possible for me to acquire one legally in the UK, it is both heavily regulated and licenced, I wouldn't have the first idea how to go about it.

Whilst the importance of the right to own one has been expressed vociferously, I still dont get why anyone would actually want to own one. But thats just me.

My friend, do you even know if we all own guns? Does the constitution say anything about owning a means of transportation? Despite how outdated some may tell you it is, or feel it is, our constitutional rights should be defended. Owning a car is so much different (although you still need a test and license to drive one, you can't just hop in one and go).