As far as it goes in my life, I really don't care what anyone wants to do, as long as it isn't hurtful to others or self-destructive. And yes, this type of transvestism is much more common than you may think. Life is too short and painful to consciously seal away a part of your personality that makes you happy. Now what would I do if I saw one of my guy friends dressed like that? I'd be stunned, that's for sure, but once I got over the initial shock, I wouldn't care that much.

As for the kids thing... Well, here we go. I probably would not want my kids to be gay/transgendered. I'm not some idiot asshole homophobe, I definitely want to make that clear. The only reason I wouldn't want that for my children is because I wouldn't want them to have to experience the hatred from "average" people and the difficulties of such a lifestyle.

i would support my kids choice 100% no matter what he is/became/wanted to be.

if for some reason it became apparent he is gay - i would have a tiny initial dissapointment because of the missed opportinity to experience grandchildren - but that would be fleeting .. all we want for him is to be happy.


although this was never a 'gay' issue to begin with..

yeah as soon as men wearing womens clothes is mentioned the gay card is brought up....tut tut....people can wear what the frak they want to....and frank n furter from rocky horror is very sexy so there

Thank you so much for clearing that up...These two things seem to always get mixed up with each other...It's as if people can't imagine a guy wanting to dress like a woman, but also have sex with a woman, and NOT be attracted to a man


Like I said...They'd be more like lesbians with penises...And I know that's confusing...


Ya know...Before I really knew these guys (and it's been years now)...I can remember being confused about it, too...I thought "If you wanna be a woman, you must wanna be with a man"....But, not ALL women want to be with a man anyway...I suppose that's a matter of programming...

And besides that...These guys do not want to BE women...They just want to dress like them, and look like them.....And that REALLY doesn't seem to make any sense...But, somehow I understand them because I know them...And they REALLY love women...They are not attracted to men AT ALL...Just like a lesbian isn't

I guess it's like, they love women SO much that, well...Don't people say that 'Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?"

awwwwwww that imitation thing is sweet....and yeah the lines do get murky

something to keep in mind though ..

it's not the average joe we're talking about here ..

i'm willing to bet this is a lot more attractive to women if the guy is a short stretch from being effeminate to begin with.

i dont think the look will be too attractive with older men ... especially with the middle age weight on them.

tim curry is a pretty extreme example ..

maybe he is an extreme example but its better than middle age men in their wifes clothes....nothing wrong with any of it tho

what i meant by an exteme example - was that he was playing a part - as a pretty good actor ... if your bf can manage a performance like that then you're in luck :)

Whoa...It's really odd that you mentioned that because before Dustin went to work last night he said, "That thread isn't dead yet?"...I said "Nope, we're still discussing it...And I really do think it's sad that some people feel like they have to hide"...

Then I had a thought, and I asked him, "What if by the time a guy turns 50 or 60, he decides that he's sick of giving a shit what anyone else thinks and he's tired of hiding, and at his age he really has no one to try to impress, nor does he have the energy to play that kinda game, and he's just gonna be and do whatever the hell makes him happy...But...By then...It's too late...He missed his chance, and now he's too old?"...So, why DID I think that?...Because old guys who look like old women can't be sexy?...Does that mean that old women can't be sexy?...Aren't old women attractive to old men?.....It really raised a lotta questions...

i think there comes a time when people arent going to be considered sexy .. its physical and mental.. not everyone - but i'm sure that becomes a part of the majority peoples past at one point.

being sexy is 50% mind and 50% body .. you need a dose of both.
and before people start pointing out exceptions .. yes i know there are exceptions.

some men find 300 pound short women sexy - the majority do not -
no matter what her frame of mind is re. her own sexuality ..

same goes for 300 pound short men ..

or wrinkled old people ..

love and caring doesnt need to dissapear .. but most of us have a pretty definition in our heads as to what we find sexy - and that isnt as all encompasing as people like to pretend it is.

(there's a lot of feelgood bullshit slung around here a lot of the time - a lot of folks are more concerned with portraying themselves as compassionate and all knowing - rather than getting to the truth - i think thats when Murderdoll goes on her rampages .. no matter how gritty she gets - there is always a big grain of truth in what she is saying - and she knows bullshit when she sees it - and has no fear of pointing it out)

oops - i got distracted.

like i was saying - the vast majority of the world wouldnt find an old wrinkly person attractive or sexy... unless they are very wealthy - all of a sudden - wow they look pretty good !

i do know a lot of guys that define beauty with extremely thin parameters ..

the only like asian women, they only like the california blonde pamela anderson clone look ... etc .. i know of all kinds of people like that ..

thank god i dont have them .. there is no body type or race or colour or 'type' of person i would stick with - no 2 girlfriends of mine have been the same ..

but - there is a range that i wouldnt find attractive sexually no matter how amazing the persons mind might be .. they'd be a great friend but i couldnt see them in a sexual light ...

i'm also well aware of the fact that the majority of women out there would feel the same about me ... which is cool ..

we should be looking for the people we're compatable with anyway.. i've done remarkably well.. (and i've never had money ! :D

oh yeah - and tell Dustin we're still discussing it because we are bound by the restrictions of the physical limitations of an internet forum board.

if we were all in a pub somewhere talking - it'd be done by now -

its a lot faster for people to talk, listen to the other persons response - add to your own point - repeat.

its a much slower process in here :)

But...What about love?...If you love someone, don't you always want them, no matter what?...Isn't it that love that keeps the attraction going?...

Think of it this way...If a person gets wrinkled or fat, you would no longer consider them sexy or attractive...But, how is it any different than if they were in a fire or car wreck and were disfigured?...Wouldn't you still love them?...Wouldn't you still want them and be attracted to them BECAUSE of the person that they STILL are, no matter what, inside...Where it really counts?...I honestly won't care if Dustin gets wrinkled...and I ALREADY made him fat...lol...It seriously hasn't changed one ounce of his sexiness...It's in his voice...It's in his eyes...It's in his manner...It's in the way he holds me, treats me, loves me...And he's absolutely AMAZING in bed (I know that's TMI, but it's relevant to my point), and isn't 'sex' what 'sexy' is all about?...I can't imagine him losing his skill, his tenderness (when I need that), his roughness (when I need that), his willingness and eagerness to try anything...It has nothing to do with the way he looks...It has so much more to do with the way he looks AT ME...And I honestly can't imagine that changing


OH...And I never gave a SHIT about money...Otherwise, Dustin and I would have never hooked up in the first place...lol

Damn...Isn't THAT the truth? :)

For what it's worth, I never thought this was a gay issue. Transvestism does not equal homosexuality. Entity2000 mentioned the thing with the kids, which I thought was worthy of addressing in my earlier post.

And of course I would support my children no matter what. I certainly didn't intend to imply otherwise. I would just be afraid for them. Having to deal with constant prejudice is not easy. Thing have progressed immensely in this regard but I don't think that anyone can argue that ignorance and gay-bashing don't still exist.

Just wanted to clear things up a bit.

he may lose his energy - and the thought of rebreaking that hip that got shattered on that fall on the ice back in 2020 might become a concern too ..


as far as the accident disfigurement example... i dunno ..and i hope i never have to find out for a variety of reasons..

its understandable - but depending on where you live - things have come a long way.
(legal gay marriages in canada)

I know, and I wish that folks in the States could follow the example that the Canadians set. Unfortunately, that may not happen for some time, if ever. There are many places in this country that are still very conservative and religious.

That IS definitely something to consider...But, by that time, do people still think about sex so much?...HaHa...I just got a hilarious mental image...lol


I honestly believe that you'd still love your wife no matter what...

And...Love keeps the fire burning...Even if we get too old to stoke the flame very high...Smoldering can be nice at times, too...Still warm, and comforting...A soft glow at twilight has just as many rewards as a blazing fire in the evening :)

i think the sex drive diminishes for most people as they get a lot older ..
i imagine the better shape you keep yourself in - the longer you'll have it.

remember not everyone has a strong sex drive when they arent young ..
the more vibrant you are in your youth - the longer you'll be able to sustain - (health issues may impact that ..)

but dont assume because you, me and a few others that are vocal about it have strong drives - that everyone else does ..(hard to imagine - i know)

if you never had a strong sex drive - you certainly wont at all when you're older

I gyuess its hard for me to have an much of an opinion on this, unless it was an issue with someone i know.Thinking about some stranger doing this i could care less,if my brother was to do this i think i'd be a little less open-minded.

Who cares? If a person is a good person, let them do whatever the hell they want to do.

I've dressed up as a chick before and I'm positive that I'll do it again (maybe soon, I'm kinky like that), Then I'll probably do some crazy ass strip tease, pounce on Rayne and have my freakish way with her. So what? It doesn't make me gay, it doesn't make me anything but...........kinky.

Of course there's a whole bunch of kinky shit but I'm only telling Flayed cuz he sounds like he really wants someone to tell him something

See?:D

not letting them do it was never in question ..

YES IT DOES !!



just kidding
:D :p

I've got some friends that are real into 80s Glam rock, they kinda look like transvestites :)

a minor detail

If it was my brother it wouldn't even be hard to handle just hard to understand. There's a difference between not being able to understand something and thinking that something is wrong. Dressing up like a woman doesn't appeal to me so it's hard for me to understand and I'm not afraid to admit that.