Death Penalty

[Rotting Eye]

I'm gunna make a few threads about controversial issues. You don't have to start arguing about them, I just want to know what everyone thinks. But you can post an opinion if you want. Just be aware someone is probably going to argue with you.

Notice the options. I made two sets of options, which are pretty much the same, just some depend on how much you know about the topic. So pick between the two. Whether you know about the topic or not. There's a big difference between someone who's educated about a subject, and someone who decides blindly.

[cheebacheeba]

One who HAS intentionally killed, should BE killed.
Too many killers lead semi-comfortable (albeit imprisoned) govt. funded lives after they have murdered others for their own purposes.
I hate that these kind of people are able to hide behind loopholes placed by legal representation after they may have taken away somebodys father, daughter, brother...etc.
As for accidental manslaughter, I think contributing factors should be carefully analysed.
Oh yeah, and I think the whole "temporary insanity" thing is just another bullshit loophole for fucking cowards.
-B.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
One who HAS intentionally killed, should BE killed.
Too many killers lead semi-comfortable (albeit imprisoned) govt. funded lives after they have murdered others for their own purposes.
I hate that these kind of people are able to hide behind loopholes placed by legal representation after they may have taken away somebodys father, daughter, brother...etc.
As for accidental manslaughter, I think contributing factors should be carefully analysed.
Oh yeah, and I think the whole "temporary insanity" thing is just another bullshit loophole for fucking cowards.
-B.


Here's some information for you Cheeba...You cannot get the death penalty for accidental manslaughter, it isn't even an option...

The death penalty is only considered where intent is proven beyond a reasonable doubt...And even then, if someone is standing over the still warm corpse, holding a blood dripping knife in his hand, saying "That's what you get Fucker", right in front of a judge and jury...The death penalty STILL won't be considered...UNLESS...There are "extenuating circumstances"...ie: The murderer has to be in the commission of at least one other crime at the time of the murder, to even be considered for the death penalty...Such as...Killing more than one person...Committing acts of rape, robbery, burglary, arson, terrorism, etcetera...during the commission of the murder...So, no need to worry about the poor, unfortunate, accidental manslaughterer...

The only people considered for the death penalty are those who MORE than deserve it...Feel better now?:)

[Haunted]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Here's some information for you Cheeba...You cannot get the death penalty for accidental manslaughter, it isn't even an option...

The death penalty is only consider where intent is proven beyond a reasonable doubt...And even then, if someone is standing over the still warm corpse, holding a blood dripping knife in his hand, saying "That's what you get Fucker", right in front of a judge and jury...The death penalty STILL won't be considered...UNLESS...There are "extenuating circumstances"...ie: The murderer has to be in the commission of at least one other crime at the time of the murder, to even be considered for the death penalty...Such as...Killing more than one person...Committing acts of rape, robbery, burglary, arson, terrorism, etcetera...during the commission of the murder...So, no need to worry about the poor, unfortunate, accidental manslaughterer...

The only people considered for the death penalty are those who MORE than deserve it...Feel better now?:)


Go Bloodrayne!!

Premeditation is also a factor.

Not to build or take away from what Rayne said, but I think the death penalty needs to be taken away again until they can make sure it's absolutely fair.

See in the seventies, the death penalty was abolished because the legal system was concerned that it might fall under, "cruel and unusual punishment." The courts began working on the problem by creating my options for the convicted, such as the lethal injection option. Also this time was used to significantly limit the amount of time a prisoner waits on death row. Once the courts felt like they had a better handle on death sentencing, the death penalty was reinstated.

The problem now is race. A majority of the inmates on death row are black. It is less likely for a white man to get the death penalty than it is for a black man. So I think that racial fairness should be considered.

[cheebacheeba]

Yeah, right, cheeba's an idiot....I agree totally.

[Dreaming Girl]

Death is too kind for certain people.

Rather than experiment on animals, scientists should be experimenting on pedophiles and violent, purposeful killers. Let them truly taste the hand of karma.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
Yeah, right, cheeba's an idiot....I agree totally.


LOL @ Cheeba...Maybe I can try to make you feel better again...I was only stating the death penalty laws as they stand in America...They may very well be different in Australia...And they are DEFINITELY different in most parts of the Middle East, where a child can have his hand chopped off for stealing a loaf of bread, or a woman's father may be forced to chop off his married daughter's head, in a public arena, for "infidelity and impurity", if she has been raped by another man...I'm quite appreciative for OUR justice system, as flawed as it may be

[Je Suis Phnomne]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
Oh yeah, and I think the whole "temporary insanity" thing is just another bullshit loophole for fucking cowards.
-B.

cheeba for the most part I agree with you however in instances such as temporary insanity, and perfect example would be Francine Hughes *played by Farrah Fawcet in the movie The Burning Bed* This woman was brutalized and though many will say things like "she should know better than to stay there" or "why didnt she just take her kids and run" Unfortunately it is not that easy, this woman truly feared for her life and felt the only way to be free of that fear was to take that bastards life that caused her the torment. Under other circumstances *white picket fence, PTA, loving husband, etc* this woman would most likely have never considered an action such as this. That "temporary insanity" drove her to do those things, and now that that fear is removed she may never commit such a crime again.




Originally posted by Haunted
Premeditation is also a factor.

The problem now is race. A majority of the inmates on death row are black. It is less likely for a white man to get the death penalty than it is for a black man. So I think that racial fairness should be considered.

Premeditated murder can also fall under that "temporary insanity" clause. Now if as cheeba said, if the premeditated murder is enacted for personal gain, IE: money, power, the dog in the alley told me to do it, then I say light em up.

As for race..... Crime doesnt have a race, they are on death row because a jury of their peers put them there. Black, White, Yellow, Green....doesnt matter. While I dont agree with murderers getting a "deal" simply because they could afford a better lawyer, or that their family has power etc. Its a factor that we have to endure and hope for the best. I dont truly believe that these juries that sentence a person to death is doing it for the entertainment value of seeing a human life extinguished, its not an easy decision to make and one that I hope I dont have to be a part of ever. But if it means that society is safer by not having this person on this planet any longer then its a decision that MUST be made. Life in prison = MORE tax money taken out of my hard earned money to give a criminal the things that I pay a great deal for each and every month while making an honest living...

[Haunted]

Originally posted by Je Suis Phnomne

As for race..... Crime doesnt have a race, they are on death row because a jury of their peers put them there. Black, White, Yellow, Green....doesnt matter. While I dont agree with murderers getting a "deal" simply because they could afford a better lawyer, or that their family has power etc. Its a factor that we have to endure and hope for the best. I dont truly believe that these juries that sentence a person to death is doing it for the entertainment value of seeing a human life extinguished, its not an easy decision to make and one that I hope I dont have to be a part of ever. But if it means that society is safer by not having this person on this planet any longer then its a decision that MUST be made. Life in prison = MORE tax money taken out of my hard earned money to give a criminal the things that I pay a great deal for each and every month while making an honest living...

I see your point. Crime has no ethnicity, you are so right. The argument concerning race is one of the "anti death" arguments. Not having been in the courtroom myself, I don't know for certain whether or not it's a valid argument, but I thought you guys would be interested in hearing it. With the advent of DNA testing...well there's less room for mistake, right?

To tell the truth, I don't know where I stand on the death penalty issue. In high school my best friend's dad was murdered. I asked my friend, what he wanted to have happen. He wanted the guy to live a long and horrible life knowing what he'd done. He didn't want the murderer to get "death." However, had someone murdered my dad, I'd want them strung up at the nearest tree, but I question whether I'm justified in wanting that. I guess maybe, I'm trying too hard to be compassionate.

[BudMan]

I say if someone is tried and convicted beyond a reasonable doubt of "murder", I'm not talking manslaughter, I'm talking cold blooded murder, than let the bastard fry.

[Rotting Eye]

Originally posted by Je Suis Phnomne
Life in prison = MORE tax money taken out of my hard earned money to give a criminal the things that I pay a great deal for each and every month while making an honest living...

That statement is not true. Through all the appeal processes capital punishment cases usually run to cost more than $2 million dollars, while to keep someone in a cell in a maximum security cell for 40 years it costs $750,000 to $1 million. Either way tax payers have to pay for it.

I read that it costs in California average of six times more to kill someone, than to keep them in jail. It could have saved tax payers $90 million.

Not only does it cost more money, people who are innocent get put to death. Over 87 people have been released from death row after being wrongly accused, and over 23 people have been wrongly put to death. One of each was too many.

Spending the rest of your life in a maximum security prison, (example: sitting in a cell for more than half a day, being outside for less than an hour, etc etc) is far more agonizing that being put to death would ever be. Death is a release for people with life sentances without possibility of parole. I was watching the History Channel, or A&E, or something like that, when a prison special came on and one inmate said, "Being in here is the worst feeling ever. See that mountain outside my window? I know I'm never going to see the other side of it." Prison sucks, plain and simple.

[Nate]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Here's some information for you Cheeba...You cannot get the death penalty for accidental manslaughter, it isn't even an option....

The only people considered for the death penalty are those who MORE than deserve it...Feel better now?:)

So basically what your saying is everyone that ever got the death penalty was guilty??hell noo ive read of quite a few people who have gotten the death penalty and after they were executed they were found innocent.As for the accidental man slaughter do you really think prosecuters wont turn it around and make an accident try to look like it was done intentional?? happens all the time so yes people have gotten the death penalty for accidents to.You make it sound like the judicial system is perfect and its far from it.

[Nate]

Originally posted by Haunted


The problem now is race. A majority of the inmates on death row are black. It is less likely for a white man to get the death penalty than it is for a black man. So I think that racial fairness should be considered. [/B]

Show me your numbers to back up your claims.I do not believe at all theres more black people on death row.Race has no issue here at all it is void.Even if there were more black people on death row why is it unfair??You have to look at why they were put there and thats all you can go by plain and simple.So if there were a 70% caucasion and 30% black are you going to tell me then white people are not being treated fairly?No we are people and we need to take responsibility for are actions theres no color when it comes to being a serial killer and the people who have been 100% prooven to be guilty of a crime so malicious have lost all rights to ever be treated fairly again.People need to quit turning everything into a race issue if theres a flaw lets blame it on race and not of general human stupidity, total nonsense

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Nate
So basically what your saying is everyone that ever got the death penalty was guilty??hell noo ive read of quite a few people who have gotten the death penalty and after they were executed they were found innocent.As for the accidental man slaughter do you really think prosecuters wont turn it around and make an accident try to look like it was done intentional?? happens all the time so yes people have gotten the death penalty for accidents to.You make it sound like the judicial system is perfect and its far from it.
Umm...Actually, THIS is what I said...

Originally posted by bloodrayne
The death penalty is only considered where intent is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
And THIS...

Originally posted by bloodrayne

I'm quite appreciative for OUR justice system, as flawed as it may be.

And by the last comment, when I admitted that our justice system is flawed and NOT perfect...I was expressing my appreciation for the fact that it isn't as bad as it is in many other countries:)

[HappyCamper]

i'm for the death penalty. But i believe that only those convicted of murder should be sentenced to death.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by HappyCamper
i'm for the death penalty. But i believe that only those convicted of murder should be sentenced to death.


Did you read ANY part of this thread?:confused:

[fluffho]

rotting's numbers dont lie

we spend so much to kill people when we could bt spending it on education?

i went to UC last year and they upped the tuition addition $1200. that was EXTREMELY hard on people.

i am a comunity colege now (cop courses). tuition was 8. was hiked up to 12. that was VERY hard for so many people. many people had to borrow money to even pay the extra 6. now its being hiked up to 20....

why? budget cuts.

i live in san diego, and the past 2 years our POLICE force has been cut. we can't replace cars (supposed to retire at 80,000. many are going on 140,000), and we are losing more cops (some deaths, mainly retirements) than are able to hire. we havent even had an academy in a year because they couldnt afford it. THe ratio of cops to people is 1:1000. at any time, there are 4 cops on duty.. 4? thats about 1:3500 people. yeh i feel safe.

well why not cut a little out of the death penalty. put moralty aside, 'you murder someone , so we get to murder you'

whats more important, our children, our police force, or making sure some asshole 'gets what he deserves' and dont give me that 'well that killer could get out and kill our kids' cuz that... doesnt... happen... our prison systems are much more efficient than what is protrayed. and we need cops to hunt down these fuckers. and with only 4 people to survey let me think... 5 counties? hmmmmm

[Alucard]

Death is too easy ons some .




Let me at them.

[Alucard]

** On some

[Ritualistic]

I believe that if a person is proven guilty of his/her crime depending on what the crime is then YES Kill the mother fuckers... But I have a mixed emotion on it, I think they are too damn easy on them. United States is too damn nice to prisoners...

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by Ritualistic
I believe that if a person is proven guilty of his/her crime depending on what the crime is then YES Kill the mother fuckers... But I have a mixed emotion on it, I think they are too damn easy on them. United States is too damn nice to prisoners...

Way too damn nice, the hell with the death penalty, bring back Devils Island (Papillion) and make them suffer for the rest of their days, the French had the right idea.............but only that one time.

[fluffho]

you guys continue on and on about how prison is too easy on peopel and that they need to suffer

well think about all the peopel that are in there that are inniocent? how about the 23 people in 10 years that were proven innocent.... but not until they were already executed? that's a father, brother, mother, son.... that we killed because we wanted to see justice

thats why killing someone costs 2.1... cuz they want to make SURE that they are killing the right person. but onviously they messed up...

i dont care if they executed 10000 worthy people, because the SECOND the kill someone that was innocent.. its all down the toilet

but maybe some of u see that as a fair trade off....

[Sam The Egg]

fuck that noise, I say bring back Crucifixions and beheadings. If we're going to kill them then what's the point of giving them a little needle? And why swab their arm with alcohol? They're going to die anyways, if you think they deserve to die then they deserve to suffer. Don't give them poison or something. Inject them with air.

[Rotting Eye]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
fuck that noise, I say bring back Crucifixions and beheadings. If we're going to kill them then what's the point of giving them a little needle? And why swab their arm with alcohol? They're going to die anyways, if you think they deserve to die then they deserve to suffer. Don't give them poison or something. Inject them with air.

It's unfortunate that falls under the "inhumane" section of the US :P

And I'm still waiting for someone to argue my numbers.. Or at least attempt to.

[Sam The Egg]

*shrug* I'm against the death penalty because prejudice can always affect trials. Paradise Lost is proof of that.

[PsychoticPanda]

If someone's a psychotic cold-hearted serial killer who takes joy in others pain, why shouldn't they die? I mean, if you do the crime, the you have to suffer the consequences. Even if they just killed a few people cause they didn't like them, they're not safe.

[Rotting Eye]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Did you read ANY part of this thread?:confused:

Panda.. :rolleyes: