Transvestites...Opinions?

[bloodrayne]

I'm just curious about what you guys think...I see the forum members here as very open-minded...But...I wonder...

I know a LOT of guys who like to wear women's clothes sometimes, and put on make-up, etcetera...But, they ONLY date and are attracted to women...They are my friends, I don't have a problem with it, it's their own personal life...

What do YOU guys think about it?

And what if one of your close friends, beer-drinking buddies, or a male family member said something to you like, "Ya know, I kinda think it's sexy to wear panties, especially when I'm with my girlfriend", or if you saw one of them out in public or dropped by their house and they were dressed as a woman...Would you be surprised?...How would you respond?

[Vodstok]

To be honest, as long as they arent murdering, stealing, rapingor molesting, anything goes...


If Lily grows up to be a Lesbian, or even decides that she would rather be "Roger", she lucked out with her parents. Bree and I could care less (ok, i would rather she wanted to stay a girl, but it's not my life, and she would still be my kid.)


Life is hard enough wihtout other poeple crammin gtheir opinion down your throat. Hell, Eddie Izzard is a great spokesman for Transvestites.

[urgeok]

i think it's goofy


i'm not a 50's male neandrathal ..
I dont think there is anything unnatural about being gay.
i believe in 100% equality between men and women - and all races, creeds and colours.

I have worked for women and my wife makes more $$$ than i do.
I dont see any of this as a threat to my masculinity.

I changed more of my babys diapers and was closer to him than my wife until he was 2. i clean up after dinner and help cook if needed (if not i'm working on something else in the house or spending time with my son)

Spending time alone with my kid IS NOT babysitting - it's being a parent to my son. I freaking hate it when dads refer to spending time with their kids as 'babysitting'.

I dont sit around talking sports/nascar with my friends - or how we'd like to fuck the girl on the 5th floor in marketing .. we actually talk in depth about the human condition, movies, books, relationships, etc ..

none of these things make me feel any less a man.


but .... i think there is something fucking weird about a guy who wants to dress like a woman ...and it's not halloween.

i also think men who are straight - but act/talk effeminatly ... are weird.
never been comfortable with fence sitters.

also - in a related matter - i think the concept of being in touch with your feminine side is complete idiotic shit.

i dont believe in a female side or a male side .. we're all human and we all want the same things ..

like i said once before there is only 2 mental/emotional differences in the sexes.

1) how we fight/argue/discuss

2) the whole shoe buying thing.


i believe in some parts of the world - even these differences disappear



edit : i missed part of the question..


how would i respond if i saw a buddy like that ?

"what the fuck are you doing wearing a dress ???!! you sure as hell dont have the legs for it!!!"

[bloodrayne]

she lucked out with her parents.This is SO true...I love the way you think :)

I have only ONE friend who doesn't want anyone to know, and he's miserable...He believes his family would disown him, he's afraid he'd lose his job and that his friends would turn their backs on him, he won't even tell his GIRLFRIEND, and for all he knows she may even like the idea...He doesn't live where we live, and I guess some places are not as 'accepting' as others...But, I don't understand what he's afraid of, because he is NOT doing anything illegal, he likes to do it for fun, it excites him, and it makes him feel more sexually uninhibitted...I think it's really sad that he feels he has to hide this part of him, and that he is actually suffering because of it...It must be terrible to have to pretend that you're someone you're not...It would kinda be like being in prison, locked away inside of yourself...

He isn't even GAY

All of the rest of my friends who do this (and live around here), are perfectly happy to express themselves however they like...Everyone here knows that they do it, hell they even do it in public, and just about all of the girls I know think it's sexy as hell...I think the turn on is knowing that a guy who isn't afraid to do that is very uninhibited sexually, and willing to try new things...It's much better than someone whose closed off and uptight...Who wants to hear "No, I couldn't do THAT" ?...No matter WHAT the 'that' is when it comes to sex...

These guys get ALL the chicks, I'm serious...They are very happy guys :)

[bloodrayne]

Spending time alone with my kid IS NOT babysitting - it's being a parent to my son. I freaking hate it when dads refer to spending time with their kids as 'babysitting'.

I TOTALLY agree with that...And I've said it myself

Thanks for your opinion :)

[urgeok]

It's much better than someone whose closed off and uptight..



thats a line in the sand that gets conveniently moved by people as they see fit ..

you yourself are uptight about nudity (outside of the house) and have inhibitions that other people might think very puritan..

[bloodrayne]

thats a line in the sand that gets conveniently moved by people as they see fit ..

you yourself are uptight about nudity (outside of the house) and have inhibitions that other people might think very puritan..That's true, mostly I just hate nudity/sex in horror movies, because it's usually pointless, and takes up time that could have been used for horror-related stuff (a scare, some blood and guts, SOMETHING)...I'm sure that people who watch pornos would be a little irritated if 30 minutes of their porno got sidetracked with kittens playing on a lawn, know what I mean?...


It really IS a matter of perception...That's why I like to hear different opinions...I like to consider things from the other point of view, ya know?

[newb]

Whatever floats your boat.

[Vodstok]

Whatever floats your boat.

Whatever blows YOUR skirt up?:confused: :eek:

[newb]

Whatever blows YOUR skirt up?:confused: :eek:

Its a kilt:mad:

[urgeok]

yep, you have to be very careful when defining the parameters for 'uptight'
everyone has their own personal comfort threshhold.

now - do i think its wrong and people shouldnt do it ? no - not for me to say
do what you like if it makes you happy and doesnt infringe upon anyone elses health.

there's a lot of people doing 'extreme' things that i dont personally agree with.. but that doesnt mean i'll want to hang around with them while they're doing it. It definately creates a gap in the things we have in common.


bottom line - it can be for someone else - but i'm not in the least bit interested in it .. i just think it's goofy .

[Phalanx]

I know a LOT of guys who like to wear women's clothes sometimes, and put on make-up, etcetera...But, they ONLY date and are attracted to women...They are my friends, I don't have a problem with it, it's their own personal life...

I wouldn't really call someone like that a transvestite, yknow...not that I'd really know WHAT to label these ones...I dunno, if they "get" that its their thing, and not yours without taking offence, then whatever...Of course I feel I've got the right to call something "weird" and not give much a shit outside.
Wouldn't really persocute a person unless maybe they showed up for a job interview like that or something. If they were a guy, I might wonder why they'd bother with effort of all the endless shit women seem to...but that's about all.
To me, a "transvestite" would be someone who makes their whole life about wearing nothing but the clothes and other accessories generally worn by the opposite sex, someone you'd not really see in their "true" form (no matter what they'd call their true form). As for how I feel about them, same as I feel about most gay folk "My world is different from theirs, we'll get along just fine as long as that's understood."

[bloodrayne]

how would i respond if i saw a buddy like that ?

"what the fuck are you doing wearing a dress ???!! you sure as hell dont have the legs for it!!!"HaHa...But some guys actually DO...They really, really do

Have you seen RuPaul's legs?...Holy cow!:eek:

[PhilnEdee]

Hate it when they stick the fuzzy animals in my PRON!:p Yea...it kind of irks me sometimes because it limits what/when I can watch things and what I can watch with my 14yo daughter...I don't mind cursing, gore, cheese in m ovies she watches...she's a big horror fan...but I can't watch a ridiculous sex scene (in the woods, on the floor...etc...) with her...she's smarter than me and she knows whats going on in the real world...but if I want sex scenes, I'll get a sex movie.

Seriously though...I personally have no problem with what anyone does, as long as it doesn't effect/affect me or my family in a negative way.
What I do have a problem with, is when groups who oppsoe things for no reason other than being on the bandwagon or being a part of the group(ex: Churches fighting alcohol sales, Gay bashing by dumb rednecks who probably haven't even seen a gay guy, etc..) that type of thing.

If I found my friend doing that...I would say hey man, do you think you could change into something a bit more manly before we go out?

[urgeok]

another point .. never had a problem finding girlfriends ...amazing i know given my dog's breakfast looks ... and they were all gorgeous ..

i've said many times i'm luckier than i've had a right to be ..

but i can guarentee that none of them ... with the exeption of maybe one - would very much appreciate me showing up to the dance in a teddy and high heels.

there are a lot of girls - i expect the majority - that would find a guy dressed like a girl to be quite a turn off .. a lot of women still like men to look and act like men (men - not assholes many men think they are supposed to act like)

i know there are a lot of girls who like the waif boys with the long hair ..
and thats cool - those guys need love too ...

i think most of the girls i've known though - prefer a guy who spends less time preening in front of a mirror than themselves.

[bloodrayne]

Wouldn't really persocute a person unless maybe they showed up for a job interview like that or something. Oh no, they would never do that...They really only do it for fun, or for sexual purposes...Kinda like when someone dresses casually to go out, or includes some type of costume or special outfit in the bedroom...

Kinda like if YOU went for a job interview for a job that requires you to wear a suit, you wouldn't show up in jeans and a t-shirt, know what I mean?

And they don't intend for it to be extreme or shocking...They just like it...

Some of the guys have explained it to me this way (because, yes, I asked)...They feel that women are sexually powerful, and they have a lot of respect for them, so when they dress as women THEY feel sexually powerful, which arouses them, makes them feel more comfortable, and helps to sway their inhibitions...And some just feel that they are more sexually appealing as women, because they believe they look better that way, which makes them feel better about themselves...Not ALL of the guys I know feel that way, some have different reasons, and some have absolutely no idea WHY they like it...Just like I have no idea why I like some of the things I like....

[bloodrayne]

Yea...it kind of irks me sometimes because it limits what/when I can watch things and what I can watch with my 14yo daughter...I don't mind cursing, gore, cheese in m ovies she watches...she's a big horror fan...but I can't watch a ridiculous sex scene (in the woods, on the floor...etc...) with her...she's smarter than me and she knows whats going on in the real world...but if I want sex scenes, I'll get a sex movie.Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that point, although I've said the exact same thing here MANY times...My son (who is almost 12) is very limited in what he can watch with me now, and it's really kinda sad because he LOVES horror movies, and I grew up on the stuff...I was really hoping that HE could, too...There are still some that he CAN watch with me, but he used to get excited when he'd see a cool preview, then very disappointed when he would find out that he couldn't even watch the movie because of the sex...Now he doesn't even look forward to anything anymore...and that is very sad to me...He CAN watch the Saw movies, and he absolutely loves those (as well as Shaun Of The Dead)...I hope the 3rd doesn't get ruined with that crap...He would be extremely upset if that happened

[The Flayed One]

I'm with most of you. Transvestite, transexual, transgender, gay, bi, straight, whatever. I think it's better for people to be open about what they like. Not necessarily in the walking down the street flaunting it sense (although it's never really bothered me) but you know, if you want to let your friends, including me if I'm one, know what your about, it's cool. Better that than holding it in for so long that you end up breaking and doing something really messed up from all the pressure exploding.

Drag queens love me for some reason; I used to get hit on by them all the time at the clubs. I was never offended; more flattered really. As long as when I say "Thank you for the compliment, but that's not my gig," and they except that, it's no problem what so ever. If they were persistent about it (they never have been, except for maybe a drunken sleeze or two, which is funny) it might bug me. I imagine it's the same way with ladies whom have a guy hitting on them that just won't quit no matter what they say.

[Roderick Usher]

My first career was in musical theater, breadway and such.

As such I'm much more familiar with drag queens than transvstites, but there is a certain similarity.

It's a fantasy, an escape away from the gruff, masculine world into the softness and glamour of an idealized (and very male) idea of femininity. Having had several friends who do drag shows and such, I've been dolled up by them and paraded around in public - and it was hilarious.

I'm not a transvestite, I'm not gay but I would consider myself open minded about most thing sexual (and Urge, public nudity doesn't bother me - but it bothers people like you, so I respect that and keep my clothes on - and my wife would love it if I dressed up for her) If you like it, fine, knock yourself out! What harm can come from it?

now trans-gender operations...I do have a hang-up about that, primarily because it takes a greatr deal of self-hatred to go through such a violent and painful operation...but that's my hang-up.

[urgeok]

(and Urge, public nudity doesn't bother me - but it bothers people like you, .

you misread something up there bub !

[bloodrayne]

now trans-gender operations...I do have a hang-up about that, primarily because it takes a greatr deal of self-hatred to go through such a violent and painful operation...but that's my hang-up.Oh trust me...My male friends would NEVER do that...They love their equipment, they love having sex with women, the women love their equipment, and yeah...They would never give up their guns...lol..The guys I know would never even CONSIDER it, and would actually be horrified by the very idea...As a matter of fact, ONE of those guys is quite proud of his endowment

It's really not a 'gay' thing pertaining to THESE guys...A lot of people don't understand that...It's like these guys wanna be lesbians, but with penises...I know that sounds confusing...And people do constantly ask them if they're gay...

[Miss Olivia]

I think transvestites are like everybody else.....as long as they're not hurting anyone, what's the big deal? Show some folks a guy in a dress and they automatically start looking for Alfred Hitchcock and a butcher knife, or a bullseye on their ass, or something.

[stinking_dylan]

Actually, I really like womens clothes. I like choosing clothes for my girlfriend, but she doesn't like what I choose. :(

I've dressed as a woman for a laugh. Me and my brother are thinking of doing a rocky horror show party, and were argueing over who gets to dress as frankenfurter :D

But, I don't get turned on with it or anything. If any of my mates do, then I don't care. If I called round a mates house and he was dressed as a woman, I wouldn't be offended. I'd laugh my friggin arse off, but I wouldn't avoid him or anything. :D

I may try to catch him on my mobile phone camera though...

[urgeok]

If I called round a mates house and he was dressed as a woman, I wouldn't be offended. I'd laugh my friggin arse off,..


that makes me ask why ?

why would you laugh - what would you find funny ?

if the guy did it for sexual reasons and you caught him and laughed - that would be like sticking a knife in the guy ..


i mean .. i'd laugh too ..

[stinking_dylan]

Well, they're my mates. We're constantly looking to get one in on each other in that juvenile male way :D

Trust me, if it was me that they found, I'd never hear the end of it.

If I thought that it would genuinely hurt them, then I wouldn't laugh. Or I'd try my damndest not to.

No, really, I would.

[Phalanx]

We're constantly looking to get one in on each other
Did you just say what I think you just said???

[urgeok]

well, he did say 'mate' :D

[Haunted]

Men who are heterosexual dressing as women doesn't bother me at all. Somewhere in these posts someone mentioned the brilliant Eddie Izzard, who "fancies women," I'd go out with Eddie.

I have a hard time with transexuals and drag queens though, and because I am, in some ways, part of the gay community I've hung out with both. I don't like the idea of someone trying to be a woman when they're not. (And I'm sure, you guys feel the same about women who want to be men). Being a woman is not just that hole, which on transgender, is artificial, or boobs or make-up, and who's prettier (Rod, I remember you telling us that in one of your experiences dressing up that someone said, "It's not even as if your cute" or something... It pissed me off).

You know, being a woman is about the experiences and processes of womanhood. It's insulting, almost to be reduced to pure phsycial form. It's almost as insulting as hetero men seeing us for our outer self. As I said before, it's probably the same for guys. Being a man is not just the penis, it's all of the processes and experiences of manhood. Like Urge said, there's a big difference, and that's a big difference that no opperation and no amount of make-up, prosthesis, and wishing can change.

Having said that... Homosexuality is not a choice. "Fence sitting," at least for me, is not a choice. I genuinely find both men and women physically attractive, and therefore, for me, love, romantic sexual love- like the kind that gets people married- doesn't come in one flavor.

Let me give you a little excert from Ani Difranco's "In or Out," "Some days the line I walk turns out to be straight/ Other days the line tends to deviate/ I've got no criteria for sex or race/ I just want to hear your voice/ I just want to see your face."

[stinking_dylan]

*Groan* I fell straight for that one.

But while I'm at it...

Being a woman is not just that hole

:eek:

[Despare]

that makes me ask why ?

why would you laugh - what would you find funny ?

if the guy did it for sexual reasons and you caught him and laughed - that would be like sticking a knife in the guy ..


i mean .. i'd laugh too ..

Monty Python, Eddie Izzard, Jamie Foxx... all proved that men in dresses are funny. Ok, so maybe not Jaime Foxx.

[ENTITY2000]

ok let the stoning begin, i haven't a problem with transvestites,lesbians,or
gay men. i donot want my girls to be gay. i donot mean to offend anyone
it's just a life style of shame! meaning by i don't know one gay person who
didn't feel ashamed at one point time, scared and live life a lie for as long
as they could. now there are some proud ones out there, but to each one who is out of the closet, there are ten more who are in the closet.

[DraculaInDallas]

Somewhere in these posts someone mentioned the brilliant Eddie Izzard, who "fancies women,"


I have to admit that Euro is fucking halarious!!! :D

[Roderick Usher]

ok let the stoning begin, i haven't a problem with transvestites,lesbians,or
gay men. i donot want my girls to be gay. i donot mean to offend anyone
it's just a life style of shame! meaning by i don't know one gay person who
didn't feel ashamed at one point time, scared and live life a lie for as long
as they could. now there are some proud ones out there, but to each one who is out of the closet, there are ten more who are in the closet.

Because the parent instilled the shame

[Disease]

well, a dress just doesn't suit me I think. But I've had some crazy adventures featureing transvestites when I lived in Sydeney. they are quite common there, especially mardi gra time of year. Fun and stange times, like most of life realy. I can't handle people who freak out about a trany, and I can always pick them aswell.

[bloodrayne]

well, a dress just doesn't suit me I think. Oh, but YOU would actually look pretty good in a dress (it's true, not ALL men can pull it off), but seriously, I could see it working for you...And, if you grew your hair back, it would work even better :)

[Disease]

I maybe Maybe it's just that red poka dots wasn't my thing,

[bloodrayne]

I maybe Maybe it's just that red poka dots wasn't my thing,Heh...That could be it...You should do something sleek, solid and black ;)

[Disease]

my legs are just to masculine, I would have to wear some leggings, and that's just going to far.

Have you ever worn a suit, I mean a man suit? And how did it feel ( in the voice of Dr Zoidberg)?

[bloodrayne]

Have you ever worn a suit, I mean a man suit? And how did it feel ( in the voice of Dr Zoidberg)?HaHa...I just saw (and heard), Dr. Zoidberg saying that, followed by the sound he makes...


I haven't worn a man's suit...NOT because it's a MAN'S suit, but just because it's a suit...I'm not a suit type person...

However...ALL of the clothes I wear could be considered men's clothes...Mostly just t-shirts, pants, boots, and jackets...We all wear each other's clothes here, well those of us that can fit into the same clothes...We can all wear Dustin's, Shane's and mine...Some of us can't wear some of Seri's clothes...She actually has a few smaller, form fitting, more girly things...about 3-4 shirts I can think of that I KNOW the guys couldn't (and most likely wouldn't wanna) wear...And Seri can wear ALL of OUR clothes (that's why I can hardly ever find mine half the time)...

I have ONE dress...Seri has worn it....And Dustin and I have worn it (but only in my room)

Seri has a few skirts....I have worn her black miniskirt (I'm wearing it in my 'boots' picture)...Shane has worn her burgundy skirt....And Dustin can't fit into Seri's skirts...lol

NONE of us own ANY shoes or boots that could be considered feminine in ANY way...


It's just clothes...Fabric cut and sewn together into various shapes...I don't see what the big deal is...

[Disease]

Woop woop woop woop woop

[noctuary]

As far as it goes in my life, I really don't care what anyone wants to do, as long as it isn't hurtful to others or self-destructive. And yes, this type of transvestism is much more common than you may think. Life is too short and painful to consciously seal away a part of your personality that makes you happy. Now what would I do if I saw one of my guy friends dressed like that? I'd be stunned, that's for sure, but once I got over the initial shock, I wouldn't care that much.

As for the kids thing... Well, here we go. I probably would not want my kids to be gay/transgendered. I'm not some idiot asshole homophobe, I definitely want to make that clear. The only reason I wouldn't want that for my children is because I wouldn't want them to have to experience the hatred from "average" people and the difficulties of such a lifestyle.

[urgeok]

i would support my kids choice 100% no matter what he is/became/wanted to be.

if for some reason it became apparent he is gay - i would have a tiny initial dissapointment because of the missed opportinity to experience grandchildren - but that would be fleeting .. all we want for him is to be happy.


although this was never a 'gay' issue to begin with..

[the_real_linda]

yeah as soon as men wearing womens clothes is mentioned the gay card is brought up....tut tut....people can wear what the frak they want to....and frank n furter from rocky horror is very sexy so there

[bloodrayne]

this was never a 'gay' issue to begin with..Thank you so much for clearing that up...These two things seem to always get mixed up with each other...It's as if people can't imagine a guy wanting to dress like a woman, but also have sex with a woman, and NOT be attracted to a man


Like I said...They'd be more like lesbians with penises...And I know that's confusing...


Ya know...Before I really knew these guys (and it's been years now)...I can remember being confused about it, too...I thought "If you wanna be a woman, you must wanna be with a man"....But, not ALL women want to be with a man anyway...I suppose that's a matter of programming...

And besides that...These guys do not want to BE women...They just want to dress like them, and look like them.....And that REALLY doesn't seem to make any sense...But, somehow I understand them because I know them...And they REALLY love women...They are not attracted to men AT ALL...Just like a lesbian isn't

I guess it's like, they love women SO much that, well...Don't people say that 'Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?"

[the_real_linda]

awwwwwww that imitation thing is sweet....and yeah the lines do get murky

[urgeok]

something to keep in mind though ..

it's not the average joe we're talking about here ..

i'm willing to bet this is a lot more attractive to women if the guy is a short stretch from being effeminate to begin with.

i dont think the look will be too attractive with older men ... especially with the middle age weight on them.

tim curry is a pretty extreme example ..

[the_real_linda]

maybe he is an extreme example but its better than middle age men in their wifes clothes....nothing wrong with any of it tho

[urgeok]

maybe he is an extreme example but its better than middle age men in their wifes clothes....nothing wrong with any of it tho

what i meant by an exteme example - was that he was playing a part - as a pretty good actor ... if your bf can manage a performance like that then you're in luck :)

[bloodrayne]

something to keep in mind though ..

it's not the average joe we're talking about here ..

i'm willing to bet this is a lot more attractive to women if the guy is a short stretch from being effeminate to begin with.

i dont think the look will be too attractive with older men ... especially with the middle age weight on them.

tim curry is a pretty extreme example ..Whoa...It's really odd that you mentioned that because before Dustin went to work last night he said, "That thread isn't dead yet?"...I said "Nope, we're still discussing it...And I really do think it's sad that some people feel like they have to hide"...

Then I had a thought, and I asked him, "What if by the time a guy turns 50 or 60, he decides that he's sick of giving a shit what anyone else thinks and he's tired of hiding, and at his age he really has no one to try to impress, nor does he have the energy to play that kinda game, and he's just gonna be and do whatever the hell makes him happy...But...By then...It's too late...He missed his chance, and now he's too old?"...So, why DID I think that?...Because old guys who look like old women can't be sexy?...Does that mean that old women can't be sexy?...Aren't old women attractive to old men?.....It really raised a lotta questions...

[urgeok]

i think there comes a time when people arent going to be considered sexy .. its physical and mental.. not everyone - but i'm sure that becomes a part of the majority peoples past at one point.

being sexy is 50% mind and 50% body .. you need a dose of both.
and before people start pointing out exceptions .. yes i know there are exceptions.

some men find 300 pound short women sexy - the majority do not -
no matter what her frame of mind is re. her own sexuality ..

same goes for 300 pound short men ..

or wrinkled old people ..

love and caring doesnt need to dissapear .. but most of us have a pretty definition in our heads as to what we find sexy - and that isnt as all encompasing as people like to pretend it is.

(there's a lot of feelgood bullshit slung around here a lot of the time - a lot of folks are more concerned with portraying themselves as compassionate and all knowing - rather than getting to the truth - i think thats when Murderdoll goes on her rampages .. no matter how gritty she gets - there is always a big grain of truth in what she is saying - and she knows bullshit when she sees it - and has no fear of pointing it out)

oops - i got distracted.

like i was saying - the vast majority of the world wouldnt find an old wrinkly person attractive or sexy... unless they are very wealthy - all of a sudden - wow they look pretty good !

i do know a lot of guys that define beauty with extremely thin parameters ..

the only like asian women, they only like the california blonde pamela anderson clone look ... etc .. i know of all kinds of people like that ..

thank god i dont have them .. there is no body type or race or colour or 'type' of person i would stick with - no 2 girlfriends of mine have been the same ..

but - there is a range that i wouldnt find attractive sexually no matter how amazing the persons mind might be .. they'd be a great friend but i couldnt see them in a sexual light ...

i'm also well aware of the fact that the majority of women out there would feel the same about me ... which is cool ..

we should be looking for the people we're compatable with anyway.. i've done remarkably well.. (and i've never had money ! :D

[urgeok]

oh yeah - and tell Dustin we're still discussing it because we are bound by the restrictions of the physical limitations of an internet forum board.

if we were all in a pub somewhere talking - it'd be done by now -

its a lot faster for people to talk, listen to the other persons response - add to your own point - repeat.

its a much slower process in here :)

[bloodrayne]

i think there comes a time when people arent going to be considered sexy .. its physical and mental.. not everyone - but i'm sure that becomes a part of the majority peoples past at one point.But...What about love?...If you love someone, don't you always want them, no matter what?...Isn't it that love that keeps the attraction going?...

Think of it this way...If a person gets wrinkled or fat, you would no longer consider them sexy or attractive...But, how is it any different than if they were in a fire or car wreck and were disfigured?...Wouldn't you still love them?...Wouldn't you still want them and be attracted to them BECAUSE of the person that they STILL are, no matter what, inside...Where it really counts?...I honestly won't care if Dustin gets wrinkled...and I ALREADY made him fat...lol...It seriously hasn't changed one ounce of his sexiness...It's in his voice...It's in his eyes...It's in his manner...It's in the way he holds me, treats me, loves me...And he's absolutely AMAZING in bed (I know that's TMI, but it's relevant to my point), and isn't 'sex' what 'sexy' is all about?...I can't imagine him losing his skill, his tenderness (when I need that), his roughness (when I need that), his willingness and eagerness to try anything...It has nothing to do with the way he looks...It has so much more to do with the way he looks AT ME...And I honestly can't imagine that changing


OH...And I never gave a SHIT about money...Otherwise, Dustin and I would have never hooked up in the first place...lol

[bloodrayne]

oh yeah - and tell Dustin we're still discussing it because we are bound by the restrictions of the physical limitations of an internet forum board.

if we were all in a pub somewhere talking - it'd be done by now -

its a lot faster for people to talk, listen to the other persons response - add to your own point - repeat.

its a much slower process in here :)Damn...Isn't THAT the truth? :)

[noctuary]

For what it's worth, I never thought this was a gay issue. Transvestism does not equal homosexuality. Entity2000 mentioned the thing with the kids, which I thought was worthy of addressing in my earlier post.

And of course I would support my children no matter what. I certainly didn't intend to imply otherwise. I would just be afraid for them. Having to deal with constant prejudice is not easy. Thing have progressed immensely in this regard but I don't think that anyone can argue that ignorance and gay-bashing don't still exist.

Just wanted to clear things up a bit.

[urgeok]

But...What about love?...If you love someone, don't you always want them, no matter what?...Isn't it that love that keeps the attraction going?...

Think of it this way...If a person gets wrinkled or fat, you would no longer consider them sexy or attractive...But, how is it any different than if they were in a fire or car wreck and were disfigured?...Wouldn't you still love them?...Wouldn't you still want them and be attracted to them BECAUSE of the person that they STILL are, no matter what, inside...Where it really counts?...I honestly won't care if Dustin gets wrinkled...and I ALREADY made him fat...lol...It seriously hasn't changed one ounce of his sexiness...It's in his voice...It's in his eyes...It's in his manner...It's in the way he holds me, treats me, loves me...And he's absolutely AMAZING in bed (I know that's TMI, but it's relevant to my point), and isn't 'sex' what 'sexy' is all about?...I can't imagine him losing his skill, his tenderness (when I need that), his roughness (when I need that), his willingness and eagerness to try anything...It has nothing to do with the way he looks...It has so much more to do with the way he looks AT ME...And I honestly can't imagine that changing


OH...And I never gave a SHIT about money...Otherwise, Dustin and I would have never hooked up in the first place...lol


he may lose his energy - and the thought of rebreaking that hip that got shattered on that fall on the ice back in 2020 might become a concern too ..


as far as the accident disfigurement example... i dunno ..and i hope i never have to find out for a variety of reasons..

[urgeok]

For what it's worth, I never thought this was a gay issue. Transvestism does not equal homosexuality. Entity2000 mentioned the thing with the kids, which I thought was worthy of addressing in my earlier post.

And of course I would support my children no matter what. I certainly didn't intend to imply otherwise. I would just be afraid for them. Having to deal with constant prejudice is not easy. Thing have progressed immensely in this regard but I don't think that anyone can argue that ignorance and gay-bashing don't still exist.

Just wanted to clear things up a bit.

its understandable - but depending on where you live - things have come a long way.
(legal gay marriages in canada)

[noctuary]

its understandable - but depending on where you live - things have come a long way.
(legal gay marriages in canada)
I know, and I wish that folks in the States could follow the example that the Canadians set. Unfortunately, that may not happen for some time, if ever. There are many places in this country that are still very conservative and religious.

[bloodrayne]

he may lose his energy - and the thought of rebreaking that hip that got shattered on that fall on the ice back in 2020 might become a concern too ....That IS definitely something to consider...But, by that time, do people still think about sex so much?...HaHa...I just got a hilarious mental image...lol



as far as the accident disfigurement example... i dunno ..and i hope i never have to find out for a variety of reasons..I honestly believe that you'd still love your wife no matter what...

And...Love keeps the fire burning...Even if we get too old to stoke the flame very high...Smoldering can be nice at times, too...Still warm, and comforting...A soft glow at twilight has just as many rewards as a blazing fire in the evening :)

[urgeok]

i think the sex drive diminishes for most people as they get a lot older ..
i imagine the better shape you keep yourself in - the longer you'll have it.

remember not everyone has a strong sex drive when they arent young ..
the more vibrant you are in your youth - the longer you'll be able to sustain - (health issues may impact that ..)

but dont assume because you, me and a few others that are vocal about it have strong drives - that everyone else does ..(hard to imagine - i know)

if you never had a strong sex drive - you certainly wont at all when you're older

[pinkfloyd45769]

I gyuess its hard for me to have an much of an opinion on this, unless it was an issue with someone i know.Thinking about some stranger doing this i could care less,if my brother was to do this i think i'd be a little less open-minded.

[ShankS]

Haven't got much input regarding Trannies.... just think they're a few nuts short of a fruitcake.

[Dude Guadalupe]

Who cares? If a person is a good person, let them do whatever the hell they want to do.

I've dressed up as a chick before and I'm positive that I'll do it again (maybe soon, I'm kinky like that), Then I'll probably do some crazy ass strip tease, pounce on Rayne and have my freakish way with her. So what? It doesn't make me gay, it doesn't make me anything but...........kinky.

Of course there's a whole bunch of kinky shit but I'm only telling Flayed cuz he sounds like he really wants someone to tell him something

but you know, if you want to let your friends, including me if I'm one, know what your about, it's cool.

See?:D

[urgeok]

Who cares? If a person is a good person, let them do whatever the hell they want to do.



not letting them do it was never in question ..


I've dressed up as a chick before and I'm positive that I'll do it again It doesn't make me gay,

YES IT DOES !!



just kidding
:D :p

[Elvis_Christ]

I've got some friends that are real into 80s Glam rock, they kinda look like transvestites :)

[Dude Guadalupe]

not letting them do it was ever in question ..
a minor detail

[Despare]

I gyuess its hard for me to have an much of an opinion on this, unless it was an issue with someone i know.Thinking about some stranger doing this i could care less,if my brother was to do this i think i'd be a little less open-minded.


If it was my brother it wouldn't even be hard to handle just hard to understand. There's a difference between not being able to understand something and thinking that something is wrong. Dressing up like a woman doesn't appeal to me so it's hard for me to understand and I'm not afraid to admit that.