Movie Discussion.

[urgeok]

Take this for what it's worth but ....


If there is any one thing that drags any film forum into the mud it is the immature posts such at 'it sucks' or 'it was boring' with no explaination.

It just leads to bickering back and forth and besides that it just looks juvenile and devoid of any thought or intelligence.

If that's the way you want to be percieved - then stop reading now - words can't do much about that. A troll is a troll.

Personally i believe that if you have a strong statement to make, back it up. If you dont like something - articulate why. If you can't do it intelligently - why would you want people to know that ?

I'm very much interested in other peoples views - i have learned to see certain things under a different light when someone is ellequent and heartfelt enough to give a decent critique.

All i get from 'IT SUCKS' is that the person or their opinions really don't count for shit and their posts arent worth the time to read them.

I also hate 'it was boring' without somekind of explaination.

Boring why ? because you didnt understand it .. and/or you are suffering from ADD ? You have a problem with character developement and careful pacing ?

I would find a symposium on genetic engineering boring because i dont have the background or education thus the intellectual capacity to appreciate it.

If you dont quantify why you found it boring then i'll asume you fit into one of the catagories above.

I know that for the most part this little sermon is either preaching to the choir - or falling on deaf ears.

I'm just hoping to catch the people in between.

This is a public forum where people come to discuss films etc. If you cant contribute anything of worth, why bother ?
For the reaction ? That would be pretty sad, shallow, and pathetic, no ?

People have always commented on the 'good posters' and they are always the ones that contribute something solid.
I like the good posters .. they are worth reading- even if i dont agree with their views ..

for a couple of examples .. Bwind is doing the ideal kind of review .. as is Rubenmania .. and some others ..
The people who take the time to explain their views .. not just go for the cheap badboy bullshit..

again .. i may be completely alone in this ...

[Juicy Jon]

Every forum is plagued by reviews like you were talking about. "This was the worst movie i've ever seen". I've heard that used for so many fucking movies, some of which I even like. Its VERY difficult to get accurate movie reviews online. Its either a 14 year old kid who is like "this movie was garbage. everything sucked.", or some guy who might as well be writing a college paper on the film. I personally don't like either although the latter mentioned is tolerable.

I haven't really seen either of those here (its all over amazon and imdb), which is why I'm sticking around. You people seem to know your stuff. I wish there was a board for discussion of non-horror movies, but oh well.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Juicy Jon
Every forum is plagued by reviews like you were talking about. "This was the worst movie i've ever seen". I've heard that used for so many fucking movies, some of which I even like. Its VERY difficult to get accurate movie reviews online. Its either a 14 year old kid who is like "this movie was garbage. everything sucked.", or some guy who might as well be writing a college paper on the film. I personally don't like either although the latter mentioned is tolerable.

I haven't really seen either of those here (its all over amazon and imdb), which is why I'm sticking around. You people seem to know your stuff. I wish there was a board for discussion of non-horror movies, but oh well.

i dont mind the college paper if the person actually has a clue ..

as far as non horror related - i guess it could be in general ...

i find that at least 1/4 of the films discussed here aren't horror - probably more than that.

Most horror boards encompass any form of 'exploitation' film .. and sci-fi ...
so that includes action films .. any kind of violence at all really.
(makes you think doesn't it ?)

outside of that .. yeah .. not too much.

I constantly expound the virtues of My Fair Lady but no one likes musicals here.. :(

[hammerfan]

Originally posted by urgeok
I constantly expound the virtues of My Fair Lady but no one likes musicals here.. :(

Not true - I like musicals! But, it seems like all you and I talk about are horror movies. There's a few other genres that I like besides horror - A&A, Thriller, Comedy, Classics, etc.

Having said that, I'll admit I've never seen My Fair Lady - not a conscious choice, I've just never gotten around to it. There's a lot of "classic" movies that I haven't seen. Again, not a conscious choice, just haven't gotten to them yet.

Any other musicals besides My Fair Lady that you'd recommend?

[novakru]

I am brief in my own descriptions because basically- I don't think anybody really gives a rat ass what I think about a movie anyway,and will watch it or not watch it based on their own opinion.
Actually,now that I think of it,I wonder why I started saying anything again about the movies I watch*shrugs*.
And since obviously I have nothing to offer -I'll promptly stop.


I didn't rent Oldboy because of any in-depth discussion about it ,I just remember it being mentioned alot and ppl saying it was good-I had no idea what the story was about....turns out-it was really great.
I will rent a movie mentioned often enough in here even if it's called the worst movie ever-mainly out of curiousity.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by novakru
I am brief in my own descriptions because basically- I don't think anybody really gives a rat ass what I think about a movie anyway,and will watch it or not watch it based on their own opinion.
Actually,now that I think of it,I wonder why I started saying anything again about the movies I watch*shrugs*.
And since obviously I have nothing to offer -I'll promptly stop.



i dont think you ever say "that sucks" and leave it at that ?

I think you should be encouraged to write more - not stop.
I give a big unwashed smelly rats ass about anyone's opinion on a movie..

[urgeok]

Originally posted by hammerfan

Any other musicals besides My Fair Lady that you'd recommend?

nothing new .. just the old classics ..

oklahoma, sound of music, the king and I ... the old rogers and hammerstein musicals were pretty good .. light fare but usually funny with great dialogue and more than just one recognizable tune ..

you start watching these old musicals and you hear songs that you know but had no idea they came from a movie .. happens all the time.

but you REALLY have to see My Fair Lady ! Rex Harrison is a gem in it..

[novakru]

Originally posted by urgeok
big unwashed smelly rats ass

LMAO

[urgeok]

Originally posted by novakru
I didn't rent Oldboy because of any in-depth discussion about it ,


i bought it because of the discussions here :)
same with Dead Birds ... there are a number of titles i have no exposure to until someone mentions them here ...


one of the other basic niceties is : not saying IT SUCKED and quantifying it - right after someone said how much they liked it and why ..

its just like a shit stain on the carpet ...offensive, no value at all, and it stinks.

[novakru]

I have been thinking about putting Dead Birds on the netflix queue.
-it's funny because it popped up in my recommendations months ago and I never thought twice about it until I kept seeing it mentioned in here.

[urgeok]

i had walked past it in the bargain bin so many times ..thinking it was a throw away ripoff of something better ... and it was only 4 bucks. (thats like ... 20 cents american)

i never would have picked it up had i not seen the mentions ...
same goes for Dog Soldiers too... (i enjoyed it .. just not as much as most people here)

lots of nice suprises in those bargain bins

[BudMan]

Originally posted by urgeok


i never would have picked it up had i not seen the mentions ...
same goes for Dog Soldiers too... (i enjoyed it .. just not as much as most people here)

lots of nice suprises in those bargain bins

Your lucky Vod hasn't been around.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by BudMan
Your lucky Vod hasn't been around.

is he the big DS fan ? i think there are more than just one around here ..

i liked it .. enjoyed the energy .. just some HUGE inconsistencies bugged me a bit .. (even fantasy films have some rules)

[slasherman]

...words like boring, it sucks and pure shit...says alot...I like short reviews..like 3/10...

[BudMan]

Originally posted by urgeok
is he the big DS fan ? i think there are more than just one around here ..

i liked it .. enjoyed the energy .. just some HUGE inconsistencies bugged me a bit .. (even fantasy films have some rules)

I think what i liked best about DS was it just seemed to come out of nowhere....no hype, no fanfare, 1st time director, and it was refreshing to see NON-CGI creatures.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by BudMan
I think what i liked best about DS was it just seemed to come out of nowhere....no hype, no fanfare, 1st time director, and it was refreshing to see NON-CGI creatures.

definately a lot of pluses ..
fresh is something we dont get enough of ...
(unless you actually like things like slaughtered vomit dolls)

[BudMan]

Have you seen that.....i was gonna downloa......er..buy it the other day....any good?

[urgeok]

uhmm ... no ..

i saw a lot of self promotion on it ... i'm not the kind of guy who is so jaded with the regular offering that i'm going to watch a puke fetish film ..


i have about 3000 of my own movies i havent seen yet ..

if ya know what i mean ..

[BudMan]

Is that what thats about?.There was no discription on the torrent....er...box. I guess i should have gathered with the title.....duh. Perhaps i'll pass as well.


Watched The Great Race last week. Classic movie, its been a while since i last saw it.......Jack Lemmon was a riot.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by BudMan
Is that what thats about?.There was no discription on the torrent....er...box. I guess i should have gathered with the title.....duh. Perhaps i'll pass as well.


Watched The Great Race last week. Classic movie, its been a while since i last saw it.......Jack Lemmon was a riot.


yeah some times Jack Lemons way over the top acting serves the movie well .. I thought he was great as the King guy :)

so is this bit torrent really the deal ?
I used to use usenet but the cheap mother***ers (my IP)
stopped carrying it.

[BudMan]

Works for me, although i usually go for music more than movies.I don't think zwoti is a fan of it and is a lot more knowledgeable than me on computer stuff....you may wanna ask him.

[urgeok]

i'm not too keen on anything where i have to share my harddrive in any way ... i might have to pay to get the newsgroups from a 3rd party

[hammerfan]

Has anyone seen Donnie Darko? Is it worth a watch? I just added it to the queue at Netflix so there's time to delete it if I shouldn't waste my time.

[urgeok]

i enjoyed it ... it's kind of the dark brother to Napoleon Dynamite

[novakru]

Originally posted by hammerfan
Has anyone seen Donnie Darko? Is it worth a watch? I just added it to the queue at Netflix so there's time to delete it if I shouldn't waste my time.

I thought it was really good,you might enjoy it,and if not,it won't be a complete waste of time for ya:)

[hammerfan]

Excellent - thanks, nova! I'll give you my thoughts on it after I've watched it.

[hammerfan]

Originally posted by urgeok
i enjoyed it ... it's kind of the dark brother to Napoleon Dynamite

Haven't seen Napoleon Dynamite and, quite frankly, it doesn't interest me. Just from the previews I saw, I thought it looked.........can't think of any word except stupid. One of those movies that did not strike a chord with me.

[novakru]

Originally posted by hammerfan
Excellent - thanks, nova! I'll give you my thoughts on it after I've watched it.

cool,I look forward to it.

I kinda thought the same about Napoleon Dynamite as well,
so I never saw it,
so I can't compare it.

[newb]

I did see Napoleon Dynamite and i DID think it was stupid. I don't know why....i usually like stupid...i like the Pet Detective movies...i like the Austin Powers movies......i just couldn't get into Napoleon Dynamite.

I will give it another chance.....my kids love it..........i just don't get it...why...why...why.

[slasherman]

Originally posted by newb
........i just don't get it...why...why...why.
..I give you the answer... because its not good....

[crazy raplh]

it depends on the topic. If it is a simple question, then I'll throw out a simpla answer. then if there is explanation, then it shall be done. I guess it just depends

[urgeok]

Originally posted by newb
I did see Napoleon Dynamite and i DID think it was stupid. I don't know why....i usually like stupid...i like the Pet Detective movies...i like the Austin Powers movies......i just couldn't get into Napoleon Dynamite.

I will give it another chance.....my kids love it..........i just don't get it...why...why...why.


i never laughed so hard .. and i still laugh as hard now having seen it about 6 times now.

i like quirky offbeat characters ... doing things that flies in the face of normality ... so it appeals to me.

i can see why it wouldnt be for everyone .. it cant really be compared to Pet Detective .. the humor there is silly but mainstream ..

the humor in Napoleon Dynamite is like a reality shift .. everything is just a bit off ...
it either hits you or not i guess ..

[Juicy Jon]

Donnie Darko is definately worth a watch. Its worth a buy. I would talk more about it but... I'm not going to. Just watch it when you get the time, its really amazing.

[knife_fight]

I didn't like Napolean Dynamite OR Donnie Darko.

I didn't like Napolean Dynamite b/c it just seemed like a cheap knockoff of a Wes Anderson movie. Although I'll admit that there are some parts that make me laugh out loud (there is no denying the humor in someone getting hit in the face with a steak), I thought the jokes were mainly aimed at a semi-hip, yet semi-dull and behind the times, crowd. I really hate to say such negative things about it, b/c my fiance loves it, but it just kinda rubbed me the wrong way, I guess. It's like whoever wrote that movie took Rushmore and dumbed down the humor to make it more obvious so that the Mtv crowd would "get it." I'll leave it at that, unless pressed for more...

I got into a HUGE thing on here about 2 years ago about Donnie Darko. everyone loved it and I thought it was overrated crap, so I was on the losing end of an outnumbered match, an injured dog in a corner, so to speak. I guess the main thing I didn't like about it was that it left WAY too many loose ends. It seemed like it would touch on some random subject briefly, and then move on and never return. I haven't seen the movie in a long time (guessing, I would say 3 years at least), but I do remember this glaring example: There is a scene when he is at his therapist/psychologist/whatever and he's hypnotized and talking about something or other. While he's lying on the couch hypnotized, one hand is in his pants, masturbating furiously. This was a big scene in the movie, and one that was never explained. The guy obviously had some sort of sexual issues, but it never came back to it. It's like they just stuck that scene in there to say, "Wow. this dude is a weirdo!!!!" As though we didn't know that already. Anyway, there were other reasons I didn't like the movie, but that was a big one.

One way I always end up judging movies, is based purely on how they are presented to me. part of the reason I didn't like Donnie Darko was b/c I was in college, learning to think critically, and all I heard from my friends was how intelligent and thought-provoking Donnie Darko was. so I went into it thinking it was gonna be this really cerebral experience. thus, I was disappointed.

Same with Napolean Dynamite. when I saw it, it was still small, and every now and then I hear some slight whisper or murmur about this really funny movie, and how I, personally, would think it was hilarious. but, when I saw it, no dice. sure, there were some great moments, but it definitely didn't live up to the hype. and I can't stand disappointment.

sorry for such a long post...

[Juicy Jon]

But... it does take a good bit of thinking to really understand the movie. I don't see how you could not like it mainly because of a scene like that. Not every scene in a movie has to be explained.


edit: talking about donnie darko

[knife_fight]

Originally posted by Juicy Jon
But... it does take a good bit of thinking to really understand the movie. I don't see how you could not like a movie mainly because of a scene like that. Not every scene in a movie has to be explained.


well, like I said, it wasn't JUST that. and I guarantee you that at least 50% of the people who "understand" that movie just took the dvd's special features at face value.

I'll admit that it does take someone smarter than the average bear to really follow what's going on, but at the same time there are a lot of films that have more going on between the lines than this one. and I also admitted that (probably) most of the reason that I didn't like it was b/c of the way it was presented to me.

and no, not every scene must be explained in a movie, but I believe that if they don't further the plot, or more fully develop a character, then they are pointless. that scene in particular did neither. but as I said, that was far from being the only unnecessary vignette.

and there were other reasons I didn't like it, besides all of the pointless "asides." but usually when I bring them up people get really defensive, so I won't, b/c like that scene, they are unnecessary and are just my meaningless opinion.

I really would rather not get into this again. I know plenty of smart people who like this movie a lot, and hey, that's totally cool. I just didn't like it.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by knife_fight
I guess the main thing I didn't like about it was that it left WAY too many loose ends. It seemed like it would touch on some random subject briefly, and then move on and never return.


for some movies - the ride is more rewarding than the destination ...


for the record, i liked Napoleon Dynamite far more than Donnie Darko ..

I have seen a lot of quirky little films by quirky directors .. but this one appealed to me more and for me - didnt have that air of smugness a lot of other 'hip' movies do ..

i thought it was pretty unhip actually ...

if anyone can show me a scene in another movie as funny and well executed as the button throwing scene .. i'd love to see it :)

[urgeok]

by the way .. as far as the topic goes ... real comments were generated about both movies - apparently some people do get it ..

not all - but some.

[sabersword]

There are other movies I like besides horror but, to be fair, this is a horror forum. I am a big Alien fan, have been senc the begining. Would not mind disscussing si fi. If you like Sound of Music, mabe there are other fourms more suited for that type of film. However, there is a lot to talk about here, so, If everyone fells strongly about wanting to talk about other types of film, fine, I wont make a fuss.

[knife_fight]

Originally posted by urgeok
for some movies - the ride is more rewarding than the destination ...

that's well put, and completely true. I am definitely a fan of "art for art's sake" which leads me to like a lot of things that are nonsensical, merely b/c they appeal to me on some more visceral, rather than cerebral, level. Donnie Darko didn't do that for me, unfortunately. I am just acknowledging that it is not out of the question for me to enjoy and appreciate pointless, um, stuff.

[novakru]

I appreciated it because it really went into a delusional thought process and made the average person understand what it was like to have the reality most of us live in and an entirely other one created in the brain for whatever reason.
My aunt has a mental illness where she is sometimes two or 3 places at once and this movie made alot of sense to me because I lived with her for so long and didn't understand why she just couldn't stop what she said and do the things she did,I was angry about it,but after that movie-alot of things made sense and gave me a little peace.

So,I enjoyed Donnie Darko(even though the ending was tragic) on another level I guess.

[urgeok]

i'd still like to know if anyone who's seen both Donnie Darko and Napoleon Dynamite has drawn the same parallels as myself..

[newb]

Originally posted by urgeok
i'd still like to know if anyone who's seen both Donnie Darko and Napoleon Dynamite has drawn the same parallels as myself..

Yeah...their both overrated IMO.

I say in my opinion because i think movies, much like music is subjective. Your particular state of mind at the time of viewing would have great bearing on the outcome.
How many times have you listened to a CD and thought.....meh....not to crazy about it...but on repeat listens something clicks and you find yourself thinking"Wow...this is really good".
I've had the same experience with movies.One that sticks out was "Pink Floyd's The Wall"....first time i was not impressed......watched it again and was blown away.[ could have been the beer ].

[urgeok]

Originally posted by newb
Yeah...their both overrated IMO.

I say in my opinion because i think movies, much like music is subjective. Your particular state of mind at the time of viewing would have great bearing on the outcome.
How many time have you listened to a CD and thought.....meh....not to crazy about it...but on repeat listens something clicks and you find yourself thinking"Wow...this is really good".
I've had the same experience with movies.One that sticks out was "Pink Floyd's The Wall"....first time i was not impressed......watched it again and was blown away.[ could have been the beer ].

mood is a huge factor ...

[filmmaker2]

I saw Napoleon Dynamite fairly recently (within the past couple of months) and I was very wary about it because it had a "hip following" and it took slightly more than one viewing to begin to absorb it. It's not completely a comedy; it's a little subtler than that, and has actual themes floating around in it. A couple of the images are very poetic and beautiful (the image of the three misfit friends standing watching everyone dance was really poignant). Anyway, I seem to appreciate it as both a bizarrely funny film and a sort of inspirational drama...

What annoys me is not the film itself but the people who go around saying "Vote for Pedro," I don't understand how that became a catch-phrase....

[Angelakillsluts]

I thought Napolean Dynomite was funny, but I saw it after everyone was telling me it was the funniest movie ever so I was disappointed.

I didn't really like Donnie Darko all that much, it's worth renting though.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by filmmaker2
I saw Napoleon Dynamite fairly recently (within the past couple of months) and I was very wary about it because it had a "hip following" and it took slightly more than one viewing to begin to absorb it. It's not completely a comedy; it's a little subtler than that, and has actual themes floating around in it. A couple of the images are very poetic and beautiful (the image of the three misfit friends standing watching everyone dance was really poignant). Anyway, I seem to appreciate it as both a bizarrely funny film and a sort of inspirational drama...

What annoys me is not the film itself but the people who go around saying "Vote for Pedro," I don't understand how that became a catch-phrase....


it was easy to do .. and a lot of people like to identify with something - especially if it is deemed as 'hip'

thats why some people get turned off - by the hype around a film ... but thats just as bad as buying into it ..

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Angelakillsluts
I thought Napolean Dynomite was funny, but I saw it after everyone was telling me it was the funniest movie ever so I was disappointed.

I didn't really like Donnie Darko all that much, it's worth renting though.

thats another thing that can determine a film .. expectations ..

the 1st time i saw beetlejuice i didnt like it because i expected something different ...

i loved it when i saw it again on my own terms.
Thats why i dont see a lot of movies that have a lot of bullshit surrounding them (passion of the christ) but i'll eventually see them when the talk dies down .. so i can see it without anyone elses influence..

[hammerfan]

That's why I waited for Passion to come out on DVD. I was able to watch it in my own home without the influence of other peoples' reactions around me. I also watched it alone. I wrote my personal review of it on Netflix (which over 200 people found helpful). I won't get into my view of it here unless you want to know.

There are some movies that are best seen on the big screen in my opinion. The big-budget blockbusters for example. I haven't seen King Kong yet, but I would like to simply for the fact that I enjoyed Peter Jackson's work on Lord of the Rings.

Well, damn, I just completely lost my train of thought - damn nicotine withdrawal!

[Zero]

Originally posted by hammerfan
That's why I waited for Passion to come out on DVD. I was able to watch it in my own home without the influence of other peoples' reactions around me. I also watched it alone. I wrote my personal review of it on Netflix (which over 200 people found helpful). I won't get into my view of it here unless you want to know.

There are some movies that are best seen on the big screen in my opinion. The big-budget blockbusters for example. I haven't seen King Kong yet, but I would like to simply for the fact that I enjoyed Peter Jackson's work on Lord of the Rings.

Well, damn, I just completely lost my train of thought - damn nicotine withdrawal!

fight the good fight HF - ciggies are murder to quit

[TheOmen]

I got into a HUGE thing on here about 2 years ago about Donnie Darko. everyone loved it and I thought it was overrated crap

You would be correct.

[The_Return]

I usually try to back up my opinions around here, although I have been known to be lazy and just put "It sucks" or "Great movie" from time to time.

Personally, I think Napolean Dynamite is way over-exposed. The first time I saw it I thought it was hilarious, the second time I caught a few things I missed, but it was less funny, and by the third, I was waiting for it to end. You can hardly go anywhere around people my age without hearing conversation about this movie, and that bugs me. I mean, sure. It was a pretty good movie, I gotta admit...but it wasnt THAT good IMO. It did have originality on it's side, but that was ground into the dirt after being quoted non-stop over the past couple years.


One movie I think I probably simply reviewed as "It sucks" is Jigsaw. I didnt feel like wasting anymore of my life on that movie past the 90 min I wasted watching it. The plot, for starters, was pretty bad, but no worse than alot of slashers that turned out MUCH better [IE- Childs Play]. This had potential to be a semi-decent, so-bad-it's-good campy slasher....but it wast. Jigsaw itself is probably the best part of the movie, and he doesnt show up until the movie's damn near finished. The acting is just plain bad, from the Bruce Campbell wannabe to the plastic slut that was more than likely cast at a strip club. The whole lapdance segment was pointless and overlong, an to be honest, she's not even that hot. The kills were unoriginal, and the "plot twist" was so obvious it's not even funny.


Another movie that I would be tempted to say sucked is the "classic" Lord of the Flies. We watched this film in English class last week just after we finished reading the book. I thought the book was incredible, with it's heavy symbolism and it's portrayal of Human nature. The film however, fell flat. Without having read the book, most of it would have mad no sence whatsoever [The whole "Lord of the Flies" sequence especially]. I know from experiance that there is such thing as good, child actors...however these kids are awful. Jack and Ralph had their moments, however scenes that were powerful in the book were bland here, simply due to their monotone delivery. Piggy was the only character that did his literary counterpart any juctice at all, as we was easily one of the most annoying characters I have ever seen on film. Peter Brook's directing was amatuer at best, with the best evidence of the is being the scene where the hunters introduce themselves:rolleyes:. I must admit that the "beast" did look quiite good, however without knowlege from the book, it was a wasted scene.


Ok, my fingers are starting to hurt:p

[urgeok]

Originally posted by The_Return
Personally, I think Napolean Dynamite is way over-exposed. ... You can hardly go anywhere around people my age without hearing conversation about this movie, and that bugs me. ........... It did have originality on it's side, but that was ground into the dirt after being quoted non-stop over the past couple years.



thats not a critique on the movie .. it's a critique of the fans !

I Spit On Your Grave - in a sort of similar vein - was largely judged on it's initial release on the reaction of some asshole fans .. yelling encouragement at the rapists ...

are movies bad because people (fans - trendoids) are stupid ?

[The_Return]

Originally posted by urgeok
thats not a critique on the movie .. it's a critique of the fans !

I Spit On Your Grave - in a sort of similar vein - was largely judged on it's initial release on the reaction of some asshole fans .. yelling encouragement at the rapists ...

are movies bad because people (fans - trendoids) are stupid ?

I suppose your right. However, I do think that a film can be cheapened by it's fans. Being in High School [which Id assume you've been out of for awhile, eh?:p], on a normal day, I can hardly walk through the hall without seeing a "Vote for Pedro" t-shirt, or hearing someone say "Gosh!" in a terrible imitation of Jon Heder. IMO, the film's major plus was it's originality, and while these fans dont actually change the film in any way, shape or form, it does steal what I consider the high-point of the film. Im not saying that it's a bad film by any means, simply that it's way overdone. I dont much care for this film for the same reason I see "Halloween" and "Friday the 13th" as overrated, it may be a different, original "quirky" film, however it's simply overdone in pop-culture. It's not original anymore.