do you guys think zombies should be able to use guns?

[dev!ls advocate]

me and my friend have a dilemma, it would appear that our views differ on whether or not zombies can use guns (day of the dead, and new "land of the dead" spawned this) i say no, and thats why i say day of the dead was definitely the worst in the trilogy. zombies cant use guns, its totally imbalanced with them firing an effin machine gun AND having countless, countless others in the pack of zombies, its not fair, the only thing humans have against zombies is guns, we USED to have the ability to run, but sadly newer movies (28 days later, DAWN remake) stole that away from us too... so i ask you, whats next? zombie vehicles, zombies that can fly? running was bad enough, so i say HELL NO! zombies can't use guns!

[filmmaker2]

Um....... "fair"?

[The_Return]

Bub sould be able to use a gun. Bub's ability to use a gun was symbolic of hope. Frankenstien hoped that he could train zombies using memories of their past, and Bub using the gun showed that it was possible. Which shows that there is hope for the human race.

As far as Land of the Dead zombies using guns, I have mixed emotions. rom what I have read, the zombies have begun to evolve, and become more inteligent. This makes weaponry the natural progression. However, the idea of a zombie with a machine gun makes me chuckle....so I dunno.

But Bub most certanly needs his gun:)

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by filmmaker2
Um....... "fair"?

look, zombie movies are like a game, where each race gets different advantages, zombies have numbers and we have guns... give one to the other and it throws EVERYTHING out of whack

[IDrinkYourBlood]

Zombies shouldnt have guns, Bub was the exception scince he was in the army n all and benn worked on by Frankenstien.

[Fate Kills]

Zombie hordes have never been fair... I don't think guns will make much of a difference for them... and although they're smarter in Land of the Dead... I think they'll still be dumb as dirt...

[mothermold]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
me and my friend have a dilemma, it would appear that our views differ on whether or not zombies can use guns (day of the dead, and new "land of the dead" spawned this) i say no, and thats why i say day of the dead was definitely the worst in the trilogy. zombies cant use guns, its totally imbalanced with them firing an effin machine gun AND having countless, countless others in the pack of zombies, its not fair, the only thing humans have against zombies is guns, we USED to have the ability to run, but sadly newer movies (28 days later, DAWN remake) stole that away from us too... so i ask you, whats next? zombie vehicles, zombies that can fly? running was bad enough, so i say HELL NO! zombies can't use guns!

"What's wrong with you people?Their fucking dead!!"

...aside from bub,the idea of zombies using weapons really pisses me off.bub and his actions were essential to the story but definitley a "one trick pony" for the zombie world.

[ShankS]

They should really continue in traditional zombie fashion... dribbling, groaning, eating and falling to bits easily, nothing more, but since Romero is on the case with Land, I think we should attempt to make exceptions to the norm... It's been many years since we began seeing zombie films, and maybe seeing some of Romero's zombies evolve a bit may not be all bad. I do have exceptions though, last years remake with running zombies was way over the top, they shouldn't run, although I did enjoy dotd2k4.

we've already seen bub learn to use a gun, buy either copying what he saw the doc do, or through learning, I'm more inclined to believe in the first theory rather than the latter, as zombie brains would lack learning ability imo in such a short space of time.

However, going back to Romero's Land, I think it's been long enough to see some evolution in their capabilities, so long as it's not overdone and see sniping zombies on rooftops. Basic gun use would be acceptable imo.

[urgeok]

no guns ... but they should be able to comb their hair and apply a little makeup ...

i mean for crying out loud - some of these things have really let themselves go !

[bwind22]

If you are going off what the Official Zombie Survival Guide says, then the answer is no. Zombies can't use guns. They are dead and their one and only objective is to obtain food. If Bub was a "real" zombie (By real, I just mean if he was as they describe zombies in that book.) then he wouldn't have been able to use the gun. Instead, he would have just been chomping savagely at the air towards the doctor and any other living being that came near.

While they couldn't "really" talk, the brain craving zombies from the Return of the Living Dead movies are actually closer to what Zombie Survival Guide describes than Bub is.

No ability to think or reason at all. Just the sole goal of eating meat. That's it.

A zombie could not figure out how to shoot a gun, nor would he even attempt or want to. (In my opinion and the Zombie Survival Guide's.)

[Vodstok]

It's up to the person telling the story.

Watch Dawn of the Dead 04 with the commentary on. They basically chose to let the zombies run and be more agile because it had not been done before.


and 28 Days Later didnt have a single zombie in it, so it doesnt count. :p

[alkytrio666]

Who the hell says there's "rules"?! If a zombie can hold a gun and fire it, I say let 'em have it, it'll make the movie more interesting. I can just picture a zombie movie some of your ways:

Zombie picks up gun off floor and slowly points it at human

Human: No you can't use that! It's just not FAIR! It's against the "rules".

Zombie puts down gun and allows human to pick it up and shoot a hole right the fuck through the back of it's head, while it moans and grunts like it's "supposed" to do

[Vodstok]

What i get a kick out of is how the title of this thread sounds more like a human rights discussuion than onbe about the possibilities of movie and book monsters.

"I have a dream.... That one day... Little dead boys and little dead girls... Can carry armaments...."

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by alkytrio666
Who the hell says there's "rules"?! If a zombie can hold a gun and fire it, I say let 'em have it, it'll make the movie more interesting. I can just picture a zombie movie some of your ways:

Zombie picks up gun off floor and slowly points it at human

Human: No you can't use that! It's just not FAIR! It's against the "rules".

Zombie puts down gun and allows human to pick it up and shoot a hole right the fuck through the back of it's head, while it moans and grunts like it's "supposed" to do

someone obviously hasnt read the zombie survival guide.... and yeah, thats exaclty what my movie would be like... and here's what your movie would be like:

a ragged group of survivors gets trapped in a mall or office building, or an average suburban home, only to be blown the fuck away by a zombie made nuclear device... yeah, thats totally cool and you sure are right, it did add to the 20 minuites of film before the zombies destroyed the world with their massive armada of tanks, bombers, and submarines...

now i'm all for change, honest i am, but giving a zombie a gun, is like letting vampires walk outside in the daylight, when eating a garlic pizza and praying to a huge ass cross, i just dont think it should be done

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by Vodstok
It's up to the person telling the story.

Watch Dawn of the Dead 04 with the commentary on. They basically chose to let the zombies run and be more agile because it had not been done before.


and 28 Days Later didnt have a single zombie in it, so it doesnt count. :p

yeah but still, call me old fashioned but zombies should stagger in an unstoppable group, it adds suspense, and makes it more scary

[alkytrio666]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
someone obviously hasnt read the zombie survival guide....

Oh yah...I forgot that one man's fictional opinion on a fictional topic is 100% right.:rolleyes:

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by alkytrio666
Oh yah...I forgot that one man's fictional opinion on a fictional topic is 100% right.:rolleyes:

touche'

[Gren the cake]

Yes.

[ItsAlive75]

Zombies should get flare guns or harpoon guns... y'know, shitty guns that don't do a lot.

THAT'LL even things out.

[jenna26]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Zombies should get flare guns or harpoon guns... y'know, shitty guns that don't do a lot.

THAT'LL even things out.


You know I don't really have an opinion on this subject. But the idea of a super fast zombie with a harpoon gun amuses me for some reason. :D

And since I am amused, I think they should all get harpoon guns....:p

[AUSTIN316426808]

If it's by accident then it would be exceptable but for them to purposely grip,aim and fire a weapon at someone is ridiculous(with the exception of bub who learned from observing the action of the doctor) considering they're mindless and only follow the instinct to eat, but It's been proven 3 times over that Romero knows what he's doing when it comes to zombie films so if he says they can evolve and use guns who the hell am I to tell the guy who made Night of the Living Dead otherwise.

[Vodstok]

Thats kind of what i was thinking. Like it or not, he is the reason we have canniballistic hordes of zombies as a genre.

[Gelflingboy]

Look folks, running zombies are nothing new OK? there was running zombies that existed before on film before " 28 Days Later" and " Dawn of the Dead" ( 2004), there was Umberto Lenzi's "Nightmare City" ( a.k.a. City of the Walking Dead, Incubo Sulla Citta Contamina) that was the beginning of the running zombies but not only did the mutant cruddy faced zombies in that movie ran but they also weild weapons like machine guns, suck blood like vampires and also drove cars. There was even " Return of the Living Dead 1 & 3", " Lifeforce" ( not much of a true vampire flick but more of a zombie and alien flick), "Zombi 3", " Dead Heat ( 1988)" and " The Stuff" that had zombies that ran fast too!

Anyone seen those movies especially Nightmare City? if not, then you must see them to see that zombies that run and weild weapons existed before.

[Vodstok]

Good points, gelf, but for the most part, the average horror.com forum member is a "Romeroesque" traditionalist. We like our zombies slow, stupid, and predictable.

[filmmaker2]

I gotta tell ya, it is bizarre to think of Romero zombie fans as "traditionalists," but it's true.

This whole running zombie thing, though, I think it is a degeneration of the horror genre, overall. Faster must be scarier, right? and since we're in a hurry, we can't very well wait for a zombie to grab someone; might as well speed up the process.

Remember that "mummies" used to be the same way. Generally they were slow too, and what was scary about them was that if they were after you they NEVER stopped; they just kept on keeping on, so to speak.

[urgeok]

is it ok if they drive cars ?

[ShankS]

Originally posted by urgeok
is it ok if they drive cars ?

bumper cars perhaps.



and how many more peole are going to include 28days as a zombie film :rolleyes:

[urgeok]

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[HappyCamper]

I don't think zombies, should be able to use guns, although if they found one lying around and picked it up im sure they could fire it.... they'd probably just end up putting a bullet in their own skull though

[Gelflingboy]

Uuugh, has anyone here even seen Nightmare City? or any of those running zombies i mentioned like Lifeforce, Zombi 3, Return of the Living Dead 1 & 3 and The Stuff?

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Gelflingboy
Uuugh, has anyone here even seen Nightmare City? or any of those running zombies i mentioned like Lifeforce, Zombi 3, Return of the Living Dead 1 & 3 and The Stuff?

this guy has !

[urgeok]

this guy too ..

[zwoti]

Originally posted by Gelflingboy
Anyone seen those movies especially Nightmare City? if not, then you must see them to see that zombies that run and weild weapons existed before.

no we haven't seen it and co-incidentally we are not talking about the very same film elsewhere on the forum

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by zwoti
no we haven't seen it and co-incidentally we are not talking about the very same film elsewhere on the forum Same here, i am not and didnt.. oh christ forget it....

[newb]

Originally posted by Gelflingboy
Uuugh, has anyone here even seen Nightmare City? or any of those running zombies i mentioned like Lifeforce, Zombi 3, Return of the Living Dead 1 & 3 and The Stuff?

I never saw the whole movie, just a bit on a pretty good compilation called Terror on Tape. It looked like they had dried oatmeal on their faces.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Same here, i am not and didnt.. oh christ forget it....


that should get an award for the most inane post ever ...

a big trophy with a picture of Modestas on it

[Vodstok]

I have not been this tired in ages and still standing...


i need to go to bed pretty much when i get home.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Vodstok
I have not been this tired in ages and still standing...


i need to go to bed pretty much when i get home.

i'm suprised i'm as awake as i am ... 4 hours sleep last night - 2 less than normal .. and i dont drink coffee ..

thing is if i go to sleep before 11:00 tonight i'll wake up in 6 hours screwing myself for tomorrow too ..

[dev!ls advocate]

almost the weekend my friend, hang tight :)

[ShankS]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
almost the weekend my friend, hang tight :)

it's only Wednesday.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
almost the weekend my friend, hang tight :) Wow... Your glass is always half-full isnt it?:)

I have started seeing things this way:

Monday: Hey, Hell's Kitchen is on. an actual reason to want Monday!

Tuesday: Hey,Tomorrow is wednesday, then its thursday, which is practically friday!

Wednesday: only 2 more days till the weekend. Plus 2 episodes of Good Eats tonight. Booyeah!

Thursday: What? it isnt Friday? Fuck me....


Friday: Yay! i'm going to fuck off all day because friday is just a workday tacked on to the weekend, Yeah!

Its keeping me semi sane.

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by ShankS
it's only Wednesday.


geez mr. negative

[filmmaker2]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Friday: Yay! i'm going to fuck off all day because friday is just a workday tacked on to the weekend, Yeah!

I like your attitude sir.

[ShankS]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
geez mr. negative

how does that make me negative?

[urgeok]

should zombies be able to get credit cards ...
and if so, what should their limit be ?

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by ShankS
how does that make me negative?

because.... it does... :D

[JokerMONEY3000]

I have no problem with a zombie, thru observation, learn how to shoot a gun. But once it turns into zombieS with guns it gets pretty ridiculous. I liked Bub so I had no problem seeing him use a gun. Since Romero is the godfather of zombie movies I'm sure whatver he does will be revolutionary to zombie films to come.

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by JokerMONEY3000
I have no problem with a zombie, thru observation, learn how to shoot a gun. But once it turns into zombieS with guns it gets pretty ridiculous. I liked Bub so I had no problem seeing him use a gun. Since Romero is the godfather of zombie movies I'm sure whatver he does will be revolutionary to zombie films to come.

yea but for better of worse

[MisterSadistro]

'Guns don't kill zombies- zombies kill zombies' ~ new bumper sticker :D
CK

[Vodstok]

Here is a relevant question....


Are zombies covered by the second amendmant? They are people, sort of.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Here is a relevant question....


Are zombies covered by the second amendmant? They are people, sort of.

the second amendmant to what ?

[Vodstok]

teh US constitution. It's the right to have an armed militia, which is often interpreted as the right to bear arms. it's basically the part of our Constitution that says we are allowed to own a gun.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Vodstok
teh US constitution. It's the right to have an armed militia, which is often interpreted as the right to bear arms. it's basically the part of our Constitution that says we are allowed to own a gun.

ahhh the one that most americans get tattooed over their hearts.



do you think zombies should be allowed to vote ?

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by urgeok
ahhh the one that most americans get tattooed over their hearts.



do you think zombies should be allowed to vote ?

americans do love their guns, but zombies arent covered by it...

[Vodstok]

Nah... the brain dead tend to vote for Bush (ba dum bum)

Political "humor" aside, why not? they may actually show up to the polls...

"90% of all zombies who register to vote actually vote. Now you living people.. 52%? Cmon... get off your asses. the DEAD people are making your decisions for you...."

Which isnt too far off the mark. More elderly people vote than youngins...

[ShankS]

why don't or wont zombies attack or eat each other..??

[urgeok]

Originally posted by ShankS
why don't or wont zombies attack or eat each other..??

why do they attack and eat anyone !


i thought it would be more likely that they would play bingo or stay home and watch seinfeld ..

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Nah... the brain dead tend to vote for Bush (ba dum bum)

Political "humor" aside, why not? they may actually show up to the polls...

"90% of all zombies who register to vote actually vote. Now you living people.. 52%? Cmon... get off your asses. the DEAD people are making your decisions for you...."

Which isnt too far off the mark. More elderly people vote than youngins...

i like bush... haha! innuendo!

nah but really... you gotta give him SOME props... just because no one likes him... except for me... something tells me i shouldn't have said that aloud...

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by ShankS
why don't or wont zombies attack or eat each other..??

'cause they only eat the living

[Vodstok]

I won get into it. I think he is a smug arrogant idiot. The only props i give him is that i am surprised he has the brainpower to continue breathing somehow.


Anyway, i cant remember who wrote it or what it was called, but i believe there was a compilation called "the big book of zombies" or "The Mammoth book of Zombies" that had a "real" story of Night of the Living Dead, where the dead people were JUST walking corpses. they didnt react to the world around them, they didnt eat people, they just bumped into things and smelled a lot. it was pretty good.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
'cause they only eat the living

and that answered my question - how ?

[ShankS]

Originally posted by dev!ls advocate
'cause they only eat the living

flesh is flesh..

[filmmaker2]

The use of external articles as BLUDGEONS and so forth, I might point out that even animals will adopt the basic use of tools in this manner. Intelligence? Seemingly little or no REASONING power...

[dev!ls advocate]

thanks for that... and how totally irellevant, a zombie using a gun compared to a zombie using a tool, i.e. a bat or other thing like that, when we all know that zombies can in fact do that, if you'd have seen night of the living dead you'd have known that... remember? the little girl who got bit, and was down there with her mom, and she picks up the garden hoe thingy and kills her? yeah... exactly...

with my complements i bestow to you, a bottle of 37 years too late

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by ShankS
flesh is flesh..

yeah but they only like living human flesh, just like the DOTD remake, they didnt eat the dog because they dont like animals, and they dont eat eachother, because the flesh is decomposing or something.. although, something's been bothering me with the zombie survival guide, zombies in movies dont eat animals, yet it clearly says in the book that they will... hmmmm, thats suspicious to me... i'm not really sure on how to handle that book anymore

[filmmaker2]

Actually, my previous post was just a quote from a certain movie.

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I've been thinking about it, and you know, overall, if I could influence the storytelling of the "Dead" films, I would say "no" to the gun thing. I can handle Bub now, many years later, but I didn't like him back then.

Bub is a special zombie, Logan's friend, and a pretty swell guy. I think eventually they could have taught him to eat Beef Treats instead of people, and eventually they could have unchained him so he could do chores around the cave, you know, like sweeping, cleaning the bathrooms, and so on. Bub lived at the end, of course, so I imagine that he probably taught the other zombies to read and write.

[urgeok]

sounds like it's time for a reality check ...


do some of you actually think that there are zombies .. and that they follow rules ?

[filmmaker2]

This thread seems to be an examination of how the viewers of the films interpret the myth, and what they consider believable within the context of the myth...it's funny how much a person can care about the media crap they watch! For example, it really deeply bothers a lot of people that VAN HELSING was a piece of crap. It's just a movie. Why is a movie so important?

I have always felt that a decent movie will sort of get inside your head and convince you of its reality to the point that you wonder about the details the film isn't telling you.

Like, let's say that Medusa's stare can turn you to stone. Okay, sure. But...will it work if you see her reflection in a mirror? How about in a puddle of water? Will a photograph of her stare turn you to stone? (Or, will you stare at a photograph of Sharon Stone?) Maybe a photo will work, but how about a 2nd generation photocopy of that photo? Will that turn you into Shredded Wheat?

[dev!ls advocate]

Originally posted by urgeok
sounds like it's time for a reality check ...


do some of you actually think that there are zombies .. and that they follow rules ?

i do....

[urgeok]

Originally posted by filmmaker2
For example, it really deeply bothers a lot of people that VAN HELSING was a piece of crap. It's just a movie. Why is a movie so important?

I

because the hype builds up our anticipation .. we get all excited about a huge budget frankenstain/vampire/werewolf movie (a huge treat for a horror fan) with a star we all like ...

and then we for out our money ($13 each here and add 35$ for the babysitter)

and then we are presented with mind bending garbage ...
i didnt want to hate it - i went though a lot of money, trouble, and 2 hours of my life ... why would i want to waste that - just to jump on the hate bandwagon ...

i saw it before i heard a single negative thing and left the theatre feeling embarrased that i saw it ...



thats why it was important to me that it should be a good movie ... I dont enjoy bad movies !!

[dev!ls advocate]

wait... actual zombies? or movie zombies... cuz there are actual zombies in cambodia, google "zombies in cambodia" and you'll see what i mean... it's a form of malaria, when you're infected you die, and you resurect (i think i spelled that right) i think a day or a few hours later, and act really violently towards everyone... pretty neat in my opinion... well not neat, so much as.. well you know what i mean...

so yeah, there are real zombies, and the "rules" are a combination of the ____ of the dead series and the zombie survival guide...

i guess i really wouldnt care if the zombies used guns, if they were ALL like bub, and were trained and taught extensively in a lab somewhere, that i wouldnt really care about then, but if they just "magically" use them, then i think its gunna suck balls