Revelations

[Vodstok]

This miniseries has gotten me thinking about a lot of things.

I, for one, am an Athiest. Im the kind that pisses off everyone because i refuse to believe without some proof. If God shows up and shows me something irrefutable (like a license :D), i'll believe.

here are my questions though:

If events began to happen as detailed in the book of Revelations, would atheists become believers? I mean, if you refused to believe in the face of undeniable proof, then you would basically contradict what you originally believed. Granted, it would take a LOT to prove it, but if it reached that point where it was obviuos that someone had their shit together when they wrote it, would you believe?

Okay, i forgot my second question, but i will be back when i think of it.

[Dante'sInferno]

Originally posted by Vodstok
This miniseries has gotten me thinking about a lot of things.

I, for one, am an Athiest. Im the kind that pisses off everyone because i refuse to believe without some proof. If God shows up and shows me something irrefutable (like a license :D), i'll believe.

here are my questions though:

If events began to happen as detailed in the book of Revelations, would atheists become believers? I mean, if you refused to believe in the face of undeniable proof, then you would basically contradict what you originally believed. Granted, it would take a LOT to prove it, but if it reached that point where it was obviuos that someone had their shit together when they wrote it, would you believe?

Okay, i forgot my second question, but i will be back when i think of it. Yes with enough PROOF anynone could believe if they were athiests

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by hellboy
In my opinion, the belief of God is a frame of mind. For those that worship Him regularly. They are taught that God is great, God is good. But his wrath is more powerful. The state of mind in believing in Him that is left is what people are most content with. They choose the peace of mind that they feel due to the act of prayer.

But I'm just a pissant human when ya look at the whole picture. I believe in anything unexplainable. Loch-Ness, Bigfoot, Aliens, Ghosts, etc... etc. These myths started somewhere. Hard to believe they were just made up.




Oh and Elvis is ALIVE.







:D

Life is so much more intersting with people like you around :D


I always loved the poster Mulder had in his office in the X-Files, the one that said "I want to believe". I really do. Life is so much cooler with Krakens and dragons, alien abduction, hollow earth, the bermudfa triangle....

Without those kind of completely unexplainable, unprovable, but just ever so slightly not-completely-deniable things in life, the earth would be terminally boring.


I honestly think that is why some sci-fi shows fail. if you m,ake the fantastic too commonplace, then it is no fun.

[Vodstok]

Oh, and no Elvis isnt alive. He died shortly after he and JFK killed a mummy.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

In my opinion: I don't know whether or not god exists. Science makes a lot of sense, but scientists have no problem pulling "logical" theories out of their asses when they can't explain something.

However, if god existed, he would not want us to know. Irrefutable proof of god would devalue life on earth. There a story in the bible about people trying to build a tower to see god, and god made them unable to understand each other by making them speak in different languages. (I forget the details, may or may not have been a tower...)

I can't make sense of it, and don't waste time trying to. I think it's impossible to know.

I believe if the prophecies came true, a lot of athiests would find something else to rebel against. I'd imagine the few hardcore athiests, would cast them aside as coincidence.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
However, if god existed, he would not want us to know. Irrefutable proof of god would devalue life on earth. There a story in the bible about people trying to build a tower to see god, and god made them unable to understand each other by making them speak in different languages. (I forget the details, may or may not have been a tower...)




tower of bable


(thus the bablefish from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy)


and probably the expression : to babble ..

[barbra]

there is always the age old excuse... coincidence, if you lack faith I doubt it can be scared into you, who wants to get faith through fear?
personally, I was raised a certain way and I beleave a certain way

[Preacher]

As a preacher I should be advising y'all on this one.

But......well.......I cant be arsed.

I'm goin home to watch fighting on tv.

Latas

[barbra]

Originally posted by Preacher
As a preacher I should be advising y'all on this one.

But......well.......I cant be arsed.

I'm goin home to watch fighting on tv.

Latas yeah, well Im a reverend

http://www.universalministries.com/

[mandolin_ava]

I'm an atheist.

I speak Nietzsche and Tool ideals. Most of what I say on religion's regurgitated from them, but I think that common sense will show you that god is imaginary. I'm tired of arguing with people. If you want an atheist stand point, read Nietzsche's philosophies and Tool's lyrics.

"Jesus won't you fucking whistle something but the past and done?" - Tool, Sober.

And, if god did exist, I would not worship him.

Religion's a way of trying to prove that human life is worth something. Human life is worthless. Get over it.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Nietzsche, like everyone else knows nothing of anything beyond life. Focusing on life known to us before anything beyond is a good idea, but I still think the "God is dead" mentality is nothing more than rebellion against the church. Most athiests I know are complete fucking tools.

I'm not a big fan of Nihilist views, because even if what they say is 100% right, it would be better for society to believe otherwise. Hitler was a fan of Nietzsche's writings as some passages seemed to justify Hitler's cause.

Human life is worthless on what scale?

[mandolin_ava]

Hitler was a fan of Nietzsche?!?

Dude, I LOVE WWII.

...Yeah, human life is worthless. Do you think you help anything by having a kid? Life is unnecessary. That's why there are religions in the first place, so that you feel as if what you do makes a difference. It doesn't.

I think that, without religion, the world would be a better place. And I believe that science could disprove a lot of things if they wanted to. I believe that we are made to be docile. It's all the government, I swear to god.

I listed Nietzsche because I do not want to argue. God isn't dead, by any means. He exists for some people, and not for others. For me, it's imaginary.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Hitler was a fan of Nietzsche?!?

Dude, I LOVE WWII.

...Yeah, human life is worthless. Do you think you help anything by having a kid? Life is unnecessary. That's why there are religions in the first place, so that you feel as if what you do makes a difference. It doesn't.

Hey, we've managed to put a nice hole in the o-zone. :cool:

Seriously, we don't know any of this. How people can talk like they do on either side is totally beyond me. On religious emphasis on importance of life, I think people have the understandable need to hold on to a hope that this is not the end.


I think that, without religion, the world would be a better place. And I believe that science could disprove a lot of things if they wanted to. I believe that we are made to be docile. It's all the government, I swear to god.

Without extremists the world would be a better place. We fucked up religion, but I guess you are half right. I think you have too much faith in our scientists though, how long have they been trying to cure aids? How much money has gone into research? What do we have to show for it? notta.


I listed Nietzsche because I do not want to argue. God isn't dead, by any means. He exists for some people, and not for others. For me, it's imaginary.

God either exists or he/she/it doesn't.

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
Seriously, we don't know any of this. How people can talk like they do on either side is totally beyond me. On religious emphasis on importance of life, I think people have the understandable need to hold on to a hope that this is not the end.



Without extremists the world would be a better place. We fucked up religion, but I guess you are half right. I think you have too much faith in our scientists though, how long have they been trying to cure aids? How much money has gone into research? What do we have to show for it? notta.



God either exists or he/she/it doesn't.

Of course we don't know any of this. That's why we argue.

Without religion altogether, the world would be a better place. You can't blame your life on an imaginary person, turning your wrongs into theirs as well, you see what I mean? If a woman drowns her kids, who didn't stop it? God. Think of the woman's viewpoint. We're all innocent. We all have our excuses. Maybe the devil had momentary possession of her, but it's never exactly her fault.

...and natural disasters are good for the world. I do think they have a cure. They're waiting for our numbers to thin out a bit. If all the aids-suffering poverty-ridden countries of the world die out, the US doesn't have to waste money on helping them out.

God doesn't exist. Ask someone else you get a different answer. It's believe and it's faith. There isn't anything as simple as it either does or it doesn't.

[barbra]

yeah,.. world war two rocked.. :rolleyes:

I totally agree about the not breeding thing but faith comes on an individual basis. What dies is born again and what is born will die, that was the meaning and metiphor behind jesus. God is an ideal, but we are not alone.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
If all the aids-suffering poverty-ridden countries of the world die out, the US doesn't have to waste money on helping them out.


oh shi

[barbra]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Of course we don't know any of this. That's why we argue.

Without religion altogether, the world would be a better place. You can't blame your life on an imaginary person, turning your wrongs into theirs as well, you see what I mean? If a woman drowns her kids, who didn't stop it? God. Think of the woman's viewpoint. We're all innocent. We all have our excuses. Maybe the devil had momentary possession of her, but it's never exactly her fault.

...and natural disasters are good for the world. I do think they have a cure. They're waiting for our numbers to thin out a bit. If all the aids-suffering poverty-ridden countries of the world die out, the US doesn't have to waste money on helping them out.

God doesn't exist. Ask someone else you get a different answer. It's believe and it's faith. There isn't anything as simple as it either does or it doesn't. thats silly. There is no cure, biological warfare is more profitable than cures. And the woman is resposable, its called free will and we all have it. and yes Natural disasters rock.

[mandolin_ava]

I was raised christian.

The thing that put a major crack in my faith is that ANYONE goes to hell.

What is that? Is that some sort of revenge for the believers against the nonbelievers? What about children? Would god create a child, this all-knowing and powerful being, knowing it will go to hell one day?

Eh. God makes me sick.

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
oh shi

Think about it.

If you have a cure, you can't charge them for it. They're poor. You basically have an obligation to distribute it, the world already hates us. Save it for awhile. Educate our people, and maybe only the stupid of us will die out.

Yes.

...

[barbra]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
I was raised christian.

The thing that put a major crack in my faith is that ANYONE goes to hell.

What is that? Is that some sort of revenge for the believers against the nonbelievers? What about children? Would god create a child, this all-knowing and powerful being, knowing it will go to hell one day?

Eh. God makes me sick. god never said you were going to hell, the people that raised you did. Maybe you should hate them, they did breed you after all...

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by barbra
god never said you were going to hell, the people that raised you did. Maybe you should hate them, they did breed you after all...

No, it's not about me. It's about children. I have a thing for kids.

"Anyone who harms a child in any way should be punished or destroyed." -Marilyn Manson.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by barbra
thats silly. There is no cure, biological warfare is more profitable than cures.

yup

[barbra]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
No, it's not about me. It's about children. I have a thing for kids.

"Anyone who harms a child in any way should be punished or destroyed." -Marilyn Manson. what makes you think a child would go to hell?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
No, it's not about me. It's about children. I have a thing for kids.

"Anyone who harms a child in any way should be punished or destroyed." -Marilyn Manson.

Why? Human life is worthless remember? Why not kill all the kids without reason. I mean there is no reason or worth to their existence right?

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by barbra
thats silly. There is no cure, biological warfare is more profitable than cures.


I dunno much about biological warfare. I'll look into it.

At least I came up with an idea on my own. More than a lot of people are willing to do.

I really don't know much about our scientists, either, but I definitely have more faith in science than god.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava

At least I came up with an idea on my own. More than a lot of people are willing to do.


So do you want a cookie for creativity? Doesn't make your idea any more valid.

[barbra]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
I dunno much about biological warfare. I'll look into it.

At least I came up with an idea on my own. More than a lot of people are willing to do.

I really don't know much about our scientists, either, but I definitely have more faith in science than god. I thought it was tool and marilyn manson who gave you your ideas?

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by barbra
what makes you think a child would go to hell?

People are born to go to hell. Without a hell there is no heaven. Without a punishment there is no reward. I'm a child, but by all other means, I'm a legal adult. I could fully sentance myself to hell, if I didn't escape it by not believing in it.

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
Why? Human life is worthless remember? Why not kill all the kids without reason. I mean there is no reason or worth to their existence right?

Yeah, I contridict myself a lot.

I think adult life is worthless, the docile lives that are led to no point. Children have potential. And innocence. They never asked to be, they have no idea what their parents have gotten them into.

I don't know, though. Potential for what? To change the world? Nothing's going to change the world...



...

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Of course we don't know any of this. That's why we argue.


I think that's why we shouldn't argue. If we can't know if either of uis is right, it's pointless. Nothing solid can really be used for or against god.

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
So do you want a cookie for creativity? Doesn't make your idea any more valid.

Goddamnit, yes, I deserve a fucking cookie.

Originally posted by barbra
I thought it was tool and marilyn manson who gave you your ideas?

Yes, I was waiting for this.

Regurgitated ideas. Religion's been disputed for a long, looong time now, I won't come up with any new arguments for or against it, and it seems that everything I DO come up with has already been thought up by somebody else.

So it's a lost cause. I didn't get my ideas from tool and manson, but they are very similar to mine. Read theirs. They probably make more since than anything I could argue.

[barbra]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
People are born to go to hell.

To change the world? Nothing's going to change the world...
... thats a weird veiw, and Im suppose to be the weird one around here. To think that peole were born to go to hell is the most ridiculas thing Ive read here yet. (and that's a bold statement in its self) oh and anything could change the world, just look at how all those movie stars got bush into office. He's been changing the face of the planet ever since

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
I think that's why we shouldn't argue. If we can't know if either of uis is right, it's pointless. Nothing solid can really be used for or against god.

Yeah... but... we'll argue anyway... both of us thinks we're right.

I'm a lot more close-minded than I'd like to be, or even realize half the time. I'd like to see what others think.

I think WWII is a very solid argument against god.

[barbra]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
I think that's why we shouldn't argue. If we can't know if either of uis is right, it's pointless. Nothing solid can really be used for or against god. I'll second

[barbra]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava


I think WWII is a very solid argument against god. thats bold. You think because god doesn't intervene every time theres a little genocide that there is no god, or that if there was it doesn't matter we are all going to hell reguardless? Ever see that future rama where bender becomes a planet/god and he trys to help in their war but ends up killing them anyhow?


just a little pop refferance so you'll understand ;)

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava

I think adult life is worthless, the docile lives that are led to no point. Children have potential. And innocence. They never asked to be, they have no idea what their parents have gotten them into.


Their parents never asked to be either... (and so on and so on...) I say we just kill em all since children are only being led up to worthlessness. :cool:

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by barbra
thats a weird veiw, and Im suppose to be the weird one around here. To think that peole were born to go to hell is the most ridiculas thing Ive read here yet. (and that's a bold statement in its self) oh and anything could change the world, just look at how all those movie stars got bush into office. He's been changing the face of the planet ever since

Huh?

Bush has nothing to do with my world, at all, really. There's too many checks and balances for him to have any real power. He's homophobic-ness just gives me a reason to be angry, that's about it...

...nothing's going to change the world, because the world is made of people. Nothing changes human nature. We're always going to be the same.

People are born to go to hell.

If there's a family made up of cult members that has a kid, that kid is already condemned, is it not? It'll grow up with the same values and ideas and believes. Don't dare throw free will into that. You are your parents. You are their product.

Without people to make up hell, there is no heaven. And if god knows all, he knows who's going to hell before they're even conceived. And he allows it to be.

Poo on you.

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
Their parents never asked to be either... (and so on and so on...) I say we just kill em all since children are only being led up to worthlessness. :cool:

Yes.

If I was god, I'd abort everything.

[slasherman]

Originally posted by barbra
just look at how all those movie stars got bush into office. He's been changing the face of the planet ever since
Thought they wanted that horseface Kelly..:confused:

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by barbra
You think because god doesn't intervene every time theres a little genocide that there is no god

Yes, I do.

A little genocide...

Six million killed over religion, and nothing there to save them. Don't you see that?

But god did send his own son to die. Maybe god rewards a painful life. Maybe seeing his own creatures suffering gets him off.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava

If I was god, I'd abort everything.

Fuck, I want that on a t-shirt.

[barbra]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Huh?

Bush has nothing to do with my world, at all, really. There's too many checks and balances for him to have any real power. He's homophobic-ness just gives me a reason to be angry, that's about it...

...nothing's going to change the world, because the world is made of people. Nothing changes human nature. We're always going to be the same.

People are born to go to hell.

If there's a family made up of cult members that has a kid, that kid is already condemned, is it not? It'll grow up with the same values and ideas and believes. Don't dare throw free will into that. You are your parents. You are their product.

Without people to make up hell, there is no heaven. And if god knows all, he knows who's going to hell before they're even conceived. And he allows it to be.

Poo on you. a) you don't seem to know whats going on
b) bush has more power, influence and say in what goes on with the world than you must realize. Just look at all the freakin republican states?! Bush has become more than just a puppet.
c) we all have free will, we all have choices and a child raised poorly doesn't nessisarly have to grow up to be a shit head. There are more influences in life than parental guidence. d) and if god DID give us free will then the future is and will always be uncertain, she's just infalible, not all knowing

[barbra]

Originally posted by slasherman
Thought they wanted that horseface Kelly..:confused: like three of them, the anti-war actors, the rest were gung hoe, producers, directors, studio executives, you know... real hollywood.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
Fuck, I want that on a t-shirt.



it won't seem that profound to you in a couple of years.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by urgeok
it won't seem that profound to you in a couple of years.

I was kidding mr. pro child. :mad:

[barbra]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Yes, I do.

A little genocide...

Six million killed over religion, and nothing there to save them. Don't you see that?

But god did send his own son to die. Maybe god rewards a painful life. Maybe seeing his own creatures suffering gets him off. humans have always waged war, you like the idea of death, you said so yourself. Those people where destined to go to hell reguardless right? Anyhow if it wasn't for that war I wouldn't be here today and you know that other thing.... 100% of all humans will die.

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by barbra
a) you don't seem to know whats going on
b) bush has more power, influence and say in what goes on with the world than you must realize. Just look at all the freakin republican states?! Bush has become more than just a puppet.
c) we all have free will, we all have choices and a child raised poorly doesn't nessisarly have to grow up to be a shit head. There are more influences in life than parental guidence. d) and if god DID give us free will then the future is and will always be uncertain, she's just infalible, not all knowing

a) I really don't. I'm very ignorant. I live in a Kansas town made of three hundred people. I do not care if it does not effect me. I really am trying to work on that.

b) I don't know about all that. I'll look into it, really.

c) There are more influences in life than parental guidence. But what are those? Teachers? Community? What if they all think the same? What of little muslim children? Are they going to hell for worshipping the wrong god?

d) We've had free will for thousands of years, and we're still more or less the same. Why would the future be different?

She? Your god's a she? that's awesome.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
I was kidding mr. pro child. :mad:

i dunno .. you didnt use a smiley !

i'm gonna start a thread on the proper uses of a smiley

:D

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by urgeok
i dunno .. you didnt use a smiley !

i'm gonna start a thread on the proper uses of a smiley

:D

:mad:

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by barbra
humans have always waged war, you like the idea of death, you said so yourself. Those people where destined to go to hell reguardless right? Anyhow if it wasn't for that war I wouldn't be here today and you know that other thing.... 100% of all humans will die.

Humans have always waged war, and god has never stopped them.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
:mad: :p

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Humans have always waged war, and god has never stopped them.

Why should he/she/it?

[mandolin_ava]

Urgeok, do you even have an opinion on any of this, or just smilies?

[barbra]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava

c) There are more influences in life than parental guidence. But what are those? Teachers? Community? What if they all think the same? What of little muslim children? Are they going to hell for worshipping the wrong god?

d) We've had free will for thousands of years, and we're still more or less the same. Why would the future be different?

She? Your god's a she? that's awesome. yep, even childhood friends and television shows can influence you as a child. When you're so young in the world, you're pretty much a spounge. One god is not the right god. In my opinion its how you treat yourself, others and mother earth. Reguardless of what you've named your god the idea is still the same. the future has the ability to be different, but in case you haven't noticed this generation, the one that is about to take over the earth, is still stuck up their parents ass. Our parents have discoverd new technology to cure their old age, so to speak. They spent their life making thier future, profiting from their future and now, they plan on living for ever through cosmetic surgery and extreme diets. We need a revolution and we need to take charge. I do beleave our ideas are the same but maybe we could be less greedy. oh yeah and your god is a she too ;) you may not know it yet

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
Why should he/she/it?

Why?

What's the point of a god, then? To take in our souls and sort them after death?

[Vodstok]

yep. He's a giant cosmic change-sorter. Complete with a crank.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Why?

What's the point of a god, then? To take in our souls and sort them after death?

maybe, who knows?

[urgeok]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Urgeok, do you even have an opinion on any of this, or just smilies?

[i]Originally posted by mandolin_ava
But she was a dumb cunt, wasn't she?

I haven't seen that movie in a while. She struck me as stupid, I think...

Next time I'll try to remember that I'm here to impress you, okay? I'll do my best to be mature because I sincerly care what you think.[/B]


hmmm i guess thats another contradiction..

but you admit you contradict yourself - so that makes it acceptable.

[slasherman]

Originally posted by barbra
.... 100% of all humans will die.
...but some of us become ghosts
http://www.ghoststudy.com/monthly/feb05/hooded01.jpg
http://www.ghoststudy.com/monthly/feb05/hooded02.jpg

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by barbra
yep, even childhood friends and television shows can influence you as a child. When you're so young in the world, you're pretty much a spounge. One god is not the right god. In my opinion its how you treat yourself, others and mother earth. Reguardless of what you've named your god the idea is still the same. the future has the ability to be different, but in case you haven't noticed this generation, the one that is about to take over the earth, is still stuck up their parents ass. Our parents have discoverd new technology to cure their old age, so to speak. They spent their life making thier future, profiting from their future and now, they plan on living for ever through cosmetic surgery and extreme diets. We need a revolution and we need to take charge. I do beleave our ideas are the same but maybe we could be less greedy. oh yeah and your god is a she too ;) you may not know it yet

My god is intelligence. And of all the women I've seen, I may be the only female misogynist you'll ever meet.

It's the stereotyped chics I hate, and all of them are that way.

The christian god is defenitly not the right god for me.

Cosmetic surgery scares me, too. Is it the goal of every fourty-something chic to look eighteen? Objectifying themselves to give themselves some type of worth...

...bleh...

[barbra]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Why?

What's the point of a god, then? To take in our souls and sort them after death? maybe she just comes around when we get on the wrong path. Its up to us, people to live and take care of our planet, to secure a future for the next generation. If she's real or not we still have an obligation to each other and our home, it really isn't a matter of faith at all. Feel free to fill your heart with something else, god doesn't mind, I promise

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by urgeok
hmmm i guess thats another contradiction..

but you admit you contradict yourself - so that makes it acceptable.

I Contradict Myself CONSTANTLY. I cannot help it. It's what I do.

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by barbra
maybe she just comes around when we get on the wrong path. Its up to us, people to live and take care of our planet, to secure a future for the next generation. If she's real or not we still have an obligation to each other and our home, it really isn't a matter of faith at all. Feel free to fill your heart with something else, god doesn't mind, I promise

Yes! Isn't world war two a wrong path?

[barbra]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Cosmetic surgery scares me, too. Is it the goal of every fourty-something chic to look eighteen? Objectifying themselves to give themselves some type of worth...

...bleh... they aren't giving themselfs worth, they are trying to live forever, thats the big joke. Surgery can't make you love your self. as for the rest of your statement.. you too are now a sterio-type. congrats

[barbra]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Yes! Isn't world war two a wrong path? I thought it was just thinning out the population for the next wave. we handled it right, the wole planted wasn't wiped out. There are still jews in the world, I mean hello, Im here... :rolleyes:

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by barbra
you too are now a sterio-type. congrats

Yeah, I'm trying to work on that.

:p

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by barbra
I thought it was just thinning out the population for the next wave.

Aids seemed an acceptable killer, because it killed those stupid enough to contract the virus.

In WWII, the victims didn't do anything. That's my thought process on that.

Totally didn't think of it that way. See? Arguing has a point. I'm close minded and have no one to argue with about what I think, because no one here questions the existence of god. Now I've got stuff to think about.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
My god is intelligence. And of all the women I've seen, I may be the only female misogynist you'll ever meet.


Your god has forsaken you.

[barbra]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Yeah, I'm trying to work on that.

:p now you're a different kind, you can't move out of it, once you were born a certain weight or in a certain place, or even at a certain time you became a number... is that proof of the rapture?? ;)

[barbra]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Aids seemed an acceptable killer, because it killed those stupid enough to contract the virus.

In WWII, the victims didn't do anything. That's my thought process on that.

Totally didn't think of it that way. See? Arguing has a point. I'm close minded and have no one to argue with about what I think, because no one here questions the existence of god. Now I've got stuff to think about. don't hurt your self, and people don't get aids for being stupid, if they did you would be in major trouble.. ;)

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Aids seemed an acceptable killer, because it killed those stupid enough to contract the virus.


Explain this?

I know what you're going to say, and I'm luring you but still...

[urgeok]

i do not believe there is a god.

but i know the bible .. and they have an answer for every question raised so far. I dont believe them - i think the bible is a very clever and carefully written instruction manual which takes into consideration almost everything - as to have a counter arguement for everything.

eg. if heaven is better why dont i kill myself now ? because suicide is a sin.

i cant see god ... faith is the cornerstone of belief.

and so on ..


I believe we are here due to a natural accident. Does that mean there is no value in life .. i dont think so but anyone who thinks that obviously has nothing to offer .. so .. adios..

we have developed into a series of communities. We are a mess of a race but every now and then there is a glimmer of hope.
We are in a race right now - to grow into a race of mature people vs destroying the planet. My bet is that we are going to destroy the planet ... but i have a very strong survivor instinct - paired with the desire to do and see and experience as much as i can before i die ..and hopefully pave the way for my kid to do and see and experience even more than i did after i'm gone.

religion exists/existed for a few reasons.

1) to explain the unexplainable
2) to enforce civilized law
3) to educate
4) to control people
5) to give us something to believe in when times get tough - something to believe in so that people will have continuance after death.

if you need these things .. whatever .. i dont.

as ai said somewhere here a few times before .. i believe in enjoying life to the fullest without infringing on anyone elses enjoyment ..(as long as their enjoyment doesnt consist of hurting others)

thats pretty much it in a big assed nutshel

[urgeok]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Aids seemed an acceptable killer, because it killed those stupid enough to contract the virus.



you are a complete idiot.
no one with any shred of intelligence could ever have put that into print.

and i dont give a shit if you value my opinion or contradict yourself again later.

just stupid ignorant child

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by urgeok
i do not believe there is a god.

but i know the bible .. and they have an answer for every question raised so far. I dont believe them - i think the bible is a very clever and carefully written instruction manual which takes into consideration almost everything - as to have a counter arguement for everything.

eg. if heaven is better why dont i kill myself now ? because suicide is a sin.

i cant see god ... faith is the cornerstone of belief.

and so on ..


I believe we are here due to a natural accident. Does that mean there is no value in life .. i dont think so but anyone who thinks that obviously has nothing to offer .. so .. adios..

we have developed into a series of communities. We are a mess of a race but every now and then there is a glimmer of hope.
We are in a race right now - to grow into a race of mature people vs destroying the planet. My bet is that we are going to destroy the planet ... but i have a very strong survivor instinct - paired with the desire to do and see and experience as much as i can before i die ..and hopefully pave the way for my kid to do and see and experience even more than i did after i'm gone.

religion exists/existed for a few reasons.

1) to explain the unexplainable
2) to enforce civilized law
3) to educate
4) to control people
5) to give us something to believe in when times get tough - something to believe in so that people will have continuance after death.

if you need these things .. whatever .. i dont.

as ai said somewhere here a few times before .. i believe in enjoying life to the fullest without infringing on anyone elses enjoyment ..(as long as their enjoyment doesnt consist of hurting others)

thats pretty much it in a big assed nutshel :D

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by urgeok
you are a complete idiot.
no one with any shred of intelligence could ever have put that into print.

and i dont give a shit if you value my opinion or contradict yourself again later.

just stupid ignorant child Hmmm... im reminded of a conversation we once all had about the limitations of freedom of speech....


Yes, sometimes it IS appropriate....

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Vodstok
:D

he looks like he's saying :

'thatsa nicea pizza-pie !'

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Hmmm... im reminded of a conversation we once all had about the limitations of freedom of speech....


Yes, sometimes it IS appropriate....

i equate this with giving a drunk an armoured tank to drive home in.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by urgeok
he looks like he's saying :

'thatsa nicea pizza-pie !' No he was saying "I have this much left to live"

Or, "My opinion means this much"

Nope, didnt care for the guy. maybe the new one will not let his subordinates look away when one o fthem is fucking kids.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by urgeok
i equate this with giving a drunk an armoured tank to drive home in. LOL!


"If brains were dynamite, he wouldnt have enough to blow his nose."

or her. I dont care.

[barbra]

Originally posted by Vodstok
No he was saying "I have this much left to live"

Or, "My opinion means this much"

Nope, didnt care for the guy. maybe the new one will not let his subordinates look away when one o fthem is fucking kids. thats the trouble with being a repersinitve I suppose, then again those catholics don't really take action on much,

[mandolin_ava]

Originally posted by urgeok
you are a complete idiot.
no one with any shred of intelligence could ever have put that into print.

and i dont give a shit if you value my opinion or contradict yourself again later.

just stupid ignorant child

Isn't that it, though? I think having children's about the same thing. The only reason any of us are here is because two people thought themselves decent enough to raise a child.

Aids is a product of stupidity, right? Ignorance, at least.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Isn't that it, though? I think having children's about the same thing. The only reason any of us are here is because two people thought themselves decent enough to raise a child.

Aids is a product of stupidity, right? Ignorance, at least. No, it's a product of evolution. no one MADE AIDS.

it's spread is in a large part due to ignorance and apathy, and a HUGE part is simple irresponsibility. But, there are quite a few people who have it and are in no way responsible for it. Ryan White from indiana got it from a blood transfusion. he died because of someone elses ignorance.

[barbra]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Isn't that it, though? I think having children's about the same thing. The only reason any of us are here is because two people thought themselves decent enough to raise a child.

Aids is a product of stupidity, right? Ignorance, at least. is this what they are teaching you in school?:confused:

[urgeok]

Originally posted by mandolin_ava
Isn't that it, though? I think having children's about the same thing. The only reason any of us are here is because two people thought themselves decent enough to raise a child.

Aids is a product of stupidity, right? Ignorance, at least.


this has gotten too moronic to continue.

[XFeaRX]

Originally posted by hellboy
In my opinion, the belief of God is a frame of mind. For those that worship Him regularly. They are taught that God is great, God is good. But his wrath is more powerful. The state of mind in believing in Him that is left is what people are most content with. They choose the peace of mind that they feel due to the act of prayer.

But I'm just a pissant human when ya look at the whole picture. I believe in anything unexplainable. Loch-Ness, Bigfoot, Aliens, Ghosts, etc... etc. These myths started somewhere. Hard to believe they were just made up.




Oh and Elvis is ALIVE.

LOL! Tell me you are not associating the belief of God with the belief of Bigfoot.






:D