RIP Benoit

[bwind22]

Originally Posted by Shazbut

Do any fits of *madness* make sense? By making the assumption that everything appeared calculated and pre-meditated doesnt necessarily mean that Benoit (if he did it?) callously pre-thought his actions.

We dont know what was going on in his head.

We dont know any of the facts at the moment - and may never know. Forensics and police will have to make informed judgements based on evidence found and autopsy results - but may never know the real truth.

The media, especially newspapers, have a tendancy to make things up as they go along - to make the story *spicier*, *sicker*, *more exciting* - when really some guy went totally nuts (whether it was mental health, physical health or emotional wellbeing in general that went into overdrive) and killed his family and then himself - if he did do it.

Innocent until proven guilty.

And as for calling someone a coward when they commit suicide after apparently killing wife and son - we dont *KNOW* how he felt - HOW?? How do we *KNOW* what was going through his mind? We dont. The torment must have been unbelievable to have resorted to such a terrible and tragic crime.

Please stop surmising until you are aware of the truth - then make your judgements.

Hope they all rest in peace - ALL of them! And bless the families that are still alive and have to go through the pain of grief, loss and shock.

A calculated double homicide that takes place over the course of an entire weekend is not rage. Insanity? Maybe. Psychopathic? Sure. But not rage.

Why do you keep acting like he may not have done it? He did it. He was in the house sending text messages from his & her phones to co-workers AFTER she was dead. The only questions left are why he did and what caused him to snap.

And as for innocent until proven guilty... That really only works for the living. He's dead so he'll never stand trial. All we have to go on are the facts & what the cops say about it & both, the facts & the cops, are saying he did it.

Suicide is a cowardly act. Period. It doesn't matter what circumstances lead to it, in my eyes, it's still a coward's way out of dealing with the consequences of one's actions.

[mordrid]

Bwind, the reason some people are still doubting Beniot's involvement is because recently comments about Nancy's ex husband Kevin Sullivan who had a close relationship with Sherri Martel who showed up dead two weeks ago. Two deaths of two women who had relationships with Sullivan brought out some conspiracy theorists.

[Shazbut]

Originally Posted by bwind22

A calculated double homicide that takes place over the course of an entire weekend is not rage. Insanity? Maybe. Psychopathic? Sure. But not rage.

Why do you keep acting like he may not have done it? He did it. He was in the house sending text messages from his & her phones to co-workers AFTER she was dead. The only questions left are why he did and what caused him to snap.

And as for innocent until proven guilty... That really only works for the living. He's dead so he'll never stand trial. All we have to go on are the facts & what the cops say about it & both, the facts & the cops, are saying he did it.

Suicide is a cowardly act. Period. It doesn't matter what circumstances lead to it, in my eyes, it's still a coward's way out of dealing with the consequences of one's actions.

Firstly, I didnt mention the word rage once.

Secondly, regardless if the man is dead or not - he either killed his family or he didnt. Just because he is now dead, doesnt mean he can be blamed for something he didnt necessarily do. It appears he did do it, but as none of us really *know* anything at the moment - only snippets of news on tv and in the papers, how can we make defined judgements?

Thirdly, it is YOUR opinion that suicide is a cowardly act. It is also your prerogative to believe he committed suicide because of the purported crime - but how do you KNOW that? You cant - it is an assumption.

Lastly, you have YOUR opinions (quote, "in my eyes" unquote), I have MINE - we should respect both whether we agree or not.

[Shazbut]

Originally Posted by mordrid

Bwind, the reason some people are still doubting Beniot's involvement is because recently comments about Nancy's ex husband Kevin Sullivan who had a close relationship with Sherri Martel who showed up dead two weeks ago. Two deaths of two women who had relationships with Sullivan brought out some conspiracy theorists.

I'm not one of the c. theorists on this story. Anything else, maybe, but not this. I just had an opinion, 'tis all! :p

[Despare]

Originally Posted by bwind22

Yeah, I heard about that. It's very interesting, but apparently WWE HQ was the first thing the cops looked in to & it wasn't from there. It still could have been from a WWE employee using their laptop anywhere in the world though, maybe even Chris Benoit himself. If it wasn't Benoit that did it (Which I doubt he did. I'm sure editing his wikipedia entry was just about the last thing on his mind while in the midst of killing his family.), then he told someone about it and that person never told the cops. It'll be REALLY interesting to see where that leads because it's like a whole new layer to this already baffling case.

Some guy "came forward" and said that it was a coincidence, it all stinks if you ask me. He lives in Stamford but isn't part of the WWE... that also was just coincidence. Ah well, we'll never know why Chris did it or if anybody else had a hand in it (even as far as pushing him to it) IMO. He was a great entertainer, I'll miss his work, and I wish he hadn't lost his mind.

[massacre man]

Maybe it was because of Eddie, there was a video from the tribute they aired for Eddie, Chris talked about how Eddie was the only guy he could pour his heart out to and said that Eddie would always "talk him out of it" though he didn't specify what "it" was. Maybe it was because he didn't have his best friend around to help him.

I sound like a 12 year old, don't I?

[bwind22]

Originally Posted by Shazbut

Firstly, I didnt mention the word rage once.

Sorry, I thought you were saying "fit of madness" in place of roid rage.

Secondly, regardless if the man is dead or not - he either killed his family or he didnt. Just because he is now dead, doesnt mean he can be blamed for something he didnt necessarily do. It appears he did do it, but as none of us really *know* anything at the moment - only snippets of news on tv and in the papers, how can we make defined judgements?

Ugh, the police investigating the crime have come right out and said that he killed them. It's as close to a fact as it'll ever be.

Thirdly, it is YOUR opinion that suicide is a cowardly act.

No shit it's my opinion. Who else's would it be? Anyone that commits suicide is afraid to face something in their life. They are SO afraid (or unwilling) to deal with something that they take the easy route of not having to deal with it at all ever. That's a cowardly act in my book.

It is also your prerogative to believe he committed suicide because of the purported crime - but how do you KNOW that? You cant - it is an assumption.

What is it with you? No, I didn't go in his house & look for myself to see that he hung himself, but I did watch the police that went in his house to see for themselves give a press conference and tell me that's what he did.

Did you actually SEE his body? Maybe he's not even really dead! We are all just assuming that too right? Since none of us have seen the body? :rolleyes:

Lastly, you have YOUR opinions (quote, "in my eyes" unquote), I have MINE - we should respect both whether we agree or not.

I wrote "in my eyes" explicitly to illustrate that it was my opinion. I know that I have my opinion & I know that you have yours. Yours is just a little bit hard for me to digest because it's like you are just playing devil's advocate by refuting the few bits of commonly-accepted-as-true information that there are in this puzzling case.

[swiss tony]

most suicides are cause the individual has weighed it up and determined that the pain of death couldn't be as bad as the pain of life. how cowardly he was is irrelevant. it's how evil and selfish he was that's the big issue. killing his handicapped child? despicable.

[Shazbut]

Originally Posted by bwind22

Sorry, I thought you were saying "fit of madness" in place of roid rage.



Ugh, the police investigating the crime have come right out and said that he killed them. It's as close to a fact as it'll ever be.



No shit it's my opinion. Who else's would it be? Anyone that commits suicide is afraid to face something in their life. They are SO afraid (or unwilling) to deal with something that they take the easy route of not having to deal with it at all ever. That's a cowardly act in my book.



What is it with you? No, I didn't go in his house & look for myself to see that he hung himself, but I did watch the police that went in his house to see for themselves give a press conference and tell me that's what he did.

Did you actually SEE his body? Maybe he's not even really dead! We are all just assuming that too right? Since none of us have seen the body? :rolleyes:



I wrote "in my eyes" explicitly to illustrate that it was my opinion. I know that I have my opinion & I know that you have yours. Yours is just a little bit hard for me to digest because it's like you are just playing devil's advocate by refuting the few bits of commonly-accepted-as-true information that there are in this puzzling case.

Saying it was roid rage is an assumption.

With it being YOUR opinion, I simply highlighted that I had an opinion too but got negated for it. That makes you a bigot.

What the shit you being so sarcastic for? Cos I have an opinion too? Did I get riled up with you because of your opinion? NO, I did not.

Again, your opinion about suicide is your opinion and I have mine on it - our opinions differ - so again, cut the bigotry, yeah?

If you wish to have a one-sided debate on it, I am sure there is a mirror in your home!

[Shazbut]

Originally Posted by massacre man

Maybe it was because of Eddie, there was a video from the tribute they aired for Eddie, Chris talked about how Eddie was the only guy he could pour his heart out to and said that Eddie would always "talk him out of it" though he didn't specify what "it" was. Maybe it was because he didn't have his best friend around to help him.

I sound like a 12 year old, don't I?

No, you sound like an empathetic person to me - and that's a good thing :)