fucking terrifying

[Haunted]

And!!!! Arouuuuuund and we go and we go! And around and around we go!

Let me put it like this:

I'm not just backing up S, because he is a friend, very intelligent and knowledgeable on many subjects, and just happens to be good...nevermind...

Let me suggest, Pr33sur3 or whatever, that you take the time to do a little research and then return to the discussion with a response. The reasons are as follows.

1. You're repeating yourself quite a bit.
2. You're not really making much sense.
3. You really don't seem to be very knowledgeable on the subject.
4. You're dead wrong on many points, except about how certain psychopaths have, indeed, used religion to their dastardly ends. Keep in mind that also can be said of Marxism, Socialism, and even Democracy itself. Isms have a tendency to look good on paper it's true, but only the true of heart and the worthy of spirit may find peace in them or some such...

You seem to only understand the negative pieces of two major religions. You don't even understand the fullness of either of those religions. I doubt you've read the Qu'ran or the Bible, the Vedas, any Sutras, the Tain, etc. You've read the works of the philosphers following. You've never met the true believers who espouse the teachings of the actual doctrines as they are written (i.e. to inspire peace within the hearts of the readers).

Furthermore, it isn't about relying on a great "supernatural" power, but yet, finding a connection with oneself and everything else.

There's a lot you don't get. Your posts are hypocritical, and you've only to read them, to notice this about them. Take a moment or two to do a little thinking, a little research...educate yourself. Rethink what you've been saying, because by and large you're off the mark, and then post again. Otherwise, you're going to keep saying the same thing, and other than pointing out the failings of the Church and the doings of radical non-Islamic Muslims (who only believe that they are practicing Islam, while most Muslims know better), you're totally wrong.

[psiren]

This is one of those debates that no 'side' can ever win. It seems a simple truth that Mankind needs a faith in something, not necessarily a 'god' or a religion but we need faith.
Whatever your religion or upbringing/ indoctrination into a religion the problem is people have been screwed over by thousands of years of people perverting and interpreting a religion to suit them whether it be priests, governments or 'messiahs'. People need to STOP listening to other people and start listening to ''God''.
As far as i'm concerned, i pray to my gods, everyone else is free to pray to and discover their own guides, gods, faith and truth.

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by psiren
People need to STOP listening to other people and start listening to ''God''

What do you mean?

[zwoti]

Originally posted by psiren
People need to STOP listening to other people and start listening to ''God''.

he never answers my calls, like horror never answers pm's







wait a moment, you never see them both in a room at the same time :eek:

[PR3SSUR3]

The connection between oneself and everything else is, like science, decision and mathematics... cause and effect - your attempts to pin spiritual and even magical connotations to these is of course fanciful and groundless. Unfounded stories of divinity or unearthly revelation may have had strong influence in ancient folklore, but they remain fables to dress up and disguise physics and simple human sense and decency - appealing only to the weak and deluded unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions and effect they might have on the earth.

Marxism, Socialism and Democracy are policital movements based upon credible observations of reality and not a reasonable comparision with the idea of creationism, pentangles and magic beads. However the herding, repressing and filtering of individual natural thought and constant search for 'meaning' (and tremendous fear of it) could be considered religion's dictatorship.

Reprise: nobody needs religion - all its positive actions and inspiration can be achieved without it, though experience and ambition. It is not a sentient thing, so of course it cannot rape and murder by itself either. I've already stated that a violent film created as fictional art and entertainment cannot carry the can for violent acts as religion - created so profoundly as a fact and a way of life - so repeatedly does. If such a disproportionate amount of people begin bloody wars through an interpretation of Zombie Creeping Flesh the matter might have to be looked at again.

I'm sure you and your friend are quite intelligent Haunted, but you really need to get to the core of the debate and address the fundamental issues of logic being against the idea of religion that I have put to you. It is classic behaviour of the affected spiritual to dance around proclaiming that 'you know nothing', while providing absolutely nothing of any substance to convince anybody otherwise that what it is we do not know is worth much more than a contemptuous glance.

P.S. Loved the 'leaving the conversation' U-turn!

;)

[ENTITY2000]

scientology sucks ass neway!!!!!!!!:p

[psiren]

Originally posted by Elvis_Christ
What do you mean?

Meditate...find 'your' god/s ... trust your feelings and intuition. you may not find anything or you may 'find' yourself...or don't-this doesn't matter to everyone. free choice:)

[Haunted]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3


P.S. Loved the 'leaving the conversation' U-turn!

;)

I can't ever let a conversation concerning religion go. It's my life's work in many ways.

However, Pr3ssur3, I still maintain that you still don't know what you're talking about. You haven't made a single substantial statement, because you don't seem to realize there are no substantial statements concerning this topic.

A great quote by Abraham Lincoln: It is better to sit in silence and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

How do you know what I've experienced has been "fanciful?" The simple answer is: You don't. You never will. You have no right, nor any cause to judge my experiences against your so-called logic. To do so is the epitome of ignorance; it's a "flat earth" notion.

If you want to go around believing every thing you've been told while discounting experience, have at you. Again, I use the ostrich reference.

I said, some where back in the beginning of this discussion, that there is no such thing as "supernatural" or "paranormal" for all is nature. I'm beginning to think, Pr3ssur3 that you, and others like you, a frightened of any paradigm that shifts your own, which you firmly hold to be the only one.

Whereas anyone of us "fanciful" creatures find logic and reason an interesting read on the john, if at one point, your foundation of "there is nothing out there that cannot be explained by reason" were ever shaken by anything at all, you would go completely mad.

In actual truth, I really don't mind if you think that my workings as a Witch are deluded fantasies. You and others like you make my life a lot easier, because if you weren't around, I would have been burned at the stake years ago. In essence, it is not my delusions, but yours that provide me with the safety to practice my art in peace. For that, I thank you. May you have the right to tell the rest of the world that women like me do not, in fact, exist.

[Soloman Kane]

Let me get a few points cleared up here. Scientology is in my mind a very dangerous cult that no one seems know exactly what thier teachings are. I have a tendancy to think that its another cult putting on the trappings of a mainstream religion. It does this for one really good reason, money. Money because in essence religions are actual another type of consumer product. I have a real promblem with the way that they advertise. Conversion used to be at the tip of some warlord's sword. These days its at the tip of a doorbell.
I respect PR3SSUR's opinion but I don't share such a singularly cynical view point. Marxism, Socialism, Capitalism have caused any number of problems in the world when used by individuals for personal goals or the goals of nation states. Sir you are making the classic mistake of assuming psychology & the psychology of religion are one & the same. You provide an opinion but do nothing infact to back up your statements with fact or even close your arguements. These arguements are infact open ended & left as such so that you may continue to debate the issue. This leads me to only one conclusion. You like to argue. :D

[PR3SSUR3]

On the contrary, I would be well impressed upon witnessing a ghost, miracle or proof of ESP and the like. But I do not think I am going to. A lot of 'mediums' and spiritual types would say this scepticism means to not be visionary or 'receptive' to such things, which is to also say that they simply see what they want to see, or believe what they want to believe in.

Which finally means that deities, the occult, supernature (i.e. beyond nature, since you are questioning it), magic and any other logic-defying concept can exist as an idea but does not have the power or substance to interfere with reality other than through the varied actions of its followers.

To claim I have not made a single substantial statement is a bit strange considering I have referred to both science and logic, but to say there are no such possible statements available whatsoever in this kind of discussion is very contemptuous indeed and suggests you are far from comfortable with your lifestyle choice of swords and sorcery and could be a few frogs short of a full cauldron.