Cannibal Holocaust authentic yay or nay

[42ndStreetFreak]

Your stupid little pictures are about the level i have come to expect.

I don't tell me what to do.

I'm not a 'newb' you can kick around..trust me.

But i guess i am speaking to a thick brick wall where most of the people on this Thread are concerned.

Just stick to Freddy guys (and NO...he's not real either).

Extremist makes wonderful points on this film and it's ilk. LEARN from it....And he's more polite than me.
But i really don't care.

[EXTR3MIST]

Good points from both urgeok & 42ndStreetFreak here -

Cannibal Holocaust is a prime example of a love it or hate it movie; there is simply no in between.

Detractors may well dismiss it as simply "blood & guts", and all the more reprehensible with the real animal slaughter... but it is not accurate to slate the acting or aesthetic qualities - and certainly not the unique premise or unsettling angle of the film.

The fake "found" documentary approach was a superb idea, copied most recently by the makers of The Blair Witch Project - the acting in both of these films is very natural and appropriate; remember, we are watching actors playing people who are specifically putting on a show for the camera. Add to this Deodato's controversial "who are the real cannibals?" social commentary, the ingenious mixed bag of real/unreal footage (already earlier highlighted by myself and zwoti) and we have a lot more going on here than insane violence and taboo breaking.

Because some folk may only "see" the graphic violence brings into play what each of us may "get" from watching certain possibly meaningful and maybe artful films... some observers look too deeply into supposed allegory in movies (we've all read a lot of deep shit about the likes of Star Wars, but I only see whiz-bang space battles and cool aliens!), but I think in this case I must agree Cannibal Holocaust is an excellent film that stirs the brain on many levels.

This may not sit comfortably due to the high level of exploitation going on, but the film is a tour-de-force that simply must be acknowledged - and indeed, has already been acknowledged as an important piece of celluloid by many established commentators.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by 42ndStreetFreak
YOU might want to remember that last sentence yourself


Really? Says who?

And I would say that this remark (again you seem to also be talking for EVERYONE who watches these films) is treating the films (and those that watch them and like them) as nothing more than worthless shit....



Like I said...speak for your narrowminded self. And as you can see i don't need to put words into y0our mouth they are there already.

Now why don't you and your little chums stop watching these films and do us and yourselves a big fat favour.
As comments like the above show you and your attitude up.

you know Freak, you are your own little sportscar .. you went from ok to twat in 30 seconds flat.

You came in here with some film reviews .. showed that you know your movies .. then started to lecture. Like some benevolent god of horror bestowing his massive film knowledge upon the poor humble unwashed inferior fans.

And like a spoiled fancy-lad in the school playground you took a hissy fit when someone didnt agree with your point of view.
Took an extreme shit on one of our contributing and very decent members ...then threatened to take your ball and go home.

Although you might be the king of where ever you came from before here, i'm no where near impressed with you as you obviously are with yourself.

I guess every horror fan should fall to his/her knees knowing you are out there ... championing the cause - fighting for freedom - defending horror from it's enemies. It might suprise you to know i was able to sleep nights even before you came along.

You've already shown your distain for the forum..
it's not as smart as you and up to your high standards so why are you still here ?
shouldnt you be pulling the wings off of flies somewhere ?


If you want to calm down and act human .. cool.. lets wipe the slate clean and discuss film like guys coming at the same thing from 2 different angles.

If you dont possess that level of maturity .. then ... oh well.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
Good points from both urgeok & 42ndStreetFreak here -

Cannibal Holocaust is a prime example of a love it or hate it movie; there is simply no in between.

Detractors may well dismiss it as simply "blood & guts", and all the more reprehensible with the real animal slaughter... but it is not accurate to slate the acting or aesthetic qualities - and certainly not the unique premise or unsettling angle of the film.

The fake "found" documentary approach was a superb idea, copied most recently by the makers of The Blair Witch Project - the acting in both of these films is very natural and appropriate; remember, we are watching actors playing people who are specifically putting on a show for the camera. Add to this Deodato's controversial "who are the real cannibals?" social commentary, the ingenious mixed bag of real/unreal footage (already earlier highlighted by myself and zwoti) and we have a lot more going on here than insane violence and taboo breaking.

Because some folk may only "see" the graphic violence brings into play what each of us may "get" from watching certain possibly meaningful and maybe artful films... some observers look too deeply into supposed allegory in movies (we've all read a lot of deep shit about the likes of Star Wars, but I only see whiz-bang space battles and cool aliens!), but I think in this case I must agree Cannibal Holocaust is an excellent film that stirs the brain on many levels.

This may not sit comfortably due to the high level of exploitation going on, but the film is a tour-de-force that simply must be acknowledged - and indeed, has already been acknowledged as an important piece of celluloid by many established commentators.

this is the level of discussion i can appreciate.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by 42ndStreetFreak
Your stupid little pictures are about the level i have come to expect.

I don't tell me what to do.

I'm not a 'newb' you can kick around..trust me.

But i guess i am speaking to a thick brick wall where most of the people on this Thread are concerned.

Just stick to Freddy guys (and NO...he's not real either).

Extremist makes wonderful points on this film and it's ilk. LEARN from it....And he's more polite than me.
But i really don't care.

the point was that jumping down the throat of someone for asking a question was uncalled for, but you seem to think that you are an expert of sorts and that your opinion is somehow the final word. i tried to talk sense, then i resorted to a childish picture.

You are a closed-minded asshole. Kindly fuck off. i am finished with you and this thread.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
Good points from both urgeok & 42ndStreetFreak here -

Cannibal Holocaust is a prime example of a love it or hate it movie; there is simply no in between.

Detractors may well dismiss it as simply "blood & guts", and all the more reprehensible with the real animal slaughter... but it is not accurate to slate the acting or aesthetic qualities - and certainly not the unique premise or unsettling angle of the film.

The fake "found" documentary approach was a superb idea, copied most recently by the makers of The Blair Witch Project - the acting in both of these films is very natural and appropriate; remember, we are watching actors playing people who are specifically putting on a show for the camera. Add to this Deodato's controversial "who are the real cannibals?" social commentary, the ingenious mixed bag of real/unreal footage (already earlier highlighted by myself and zwoti) and we have a lot more going on here than insane violence and taboo breaking.

Because some folk may only "see" the graphic violence brings into play what each of us may "get" from watching certain possibly meaningful and maybe artful films... some observers look too deeply into supposed allegory in movies (we've all read a lot of deep shit about the likes of Star Wars, but I only see whiz-bang space battles and cool aliens!), but I think in this case I must agree Cannibal Holocaust is an excellent film that stirs the brain on many levels.

This may not sit comfortably due to the high level of exploitation going on, but the film is a tour-de-force that simply must be acknowledged - and indeed, has already been acknowledged as an important piece of celluloid by many established commentators.

any art form ... film, fine, music, etc .. is subject to interpretation.
It can reflect exactly what the observer wnats to/is capable of seeing. Like the star wars analogy.
We do often have the benefit of hearing what the director/painter..wanted to portray ... but even then ... is it the truth or what they want to believe or want us to believe.

I struggle with this all the time ... I want to say the Titanic is shit .. and i can articulate why .. but these same reasonings may be why someone else likes the film.

I saw The Core .. and thought it was corn ... and then i heard a review that if you looked at it in a Jules Verne/H G Wells kind of way then it came together .. and it did .. i changed my whole point of view on that film ..

There is no right or wrong opinion... you can give the reasons why a film does or does not work for you but no one cannot provide the definitive answer .. including myself...

[EXTR3MIST]

God might be able to, but he was out to lunch when I called him - I'll try again later.

Trouble is with films like Titanic, Black Hawk Down, Pearl Harbour is they all take liberties with the original subject matter - the creators change facts of history to make for a better story (and to make more money from the disasters/tragedies).

This can be quite revolting at times (step forward, Mr Spielberg), but in some cases (i.e. Titanic), I personally have no problem with it and am happy to be carried along with the romance and action. Of course, none of my family were passengers on that ship when it went down - nor were they in control of driving it, or I may have been more derisive of a film painting, say, my grandfather as an incompetent idiot.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
God might be able to, but he was out to lunch when I called him - I'll try again later.

Trouble is with films like Titanic, Black Hawk Down, Pearl Harbour is they all take liberties with the original subject matter - the creators change facts of history to make for a better story (and to make more money from the disasters/tragedies).

This can be quite revolting at times (step forward, Mr Spielberg), but in some cases (i.e. Titanic), I personally have no problem with it and am happy to be carried along with the romance and action. Of course, none of my family were passengers on that ship when it went down - nor were they in control of driving it, or I may have been more derisive of a film painting, say, my grandfather as an incompetent idiot.

oh hell yeah... real life isnt filmic .. its just not that interesting enough for people without heavy doses of contrived drama - or comedy and making everything neat and tidy.

That was my issue with Titanic ... the 'villian' subplot was - to me - unnessessary and overblown. The regular folk trying to survive was enough movie for me ...
But again, this is what the public demands. I usually find that in pop culture I have different wants and needs from the majority but there you go..

I think it's impossible to get an accurate historical account of anything that happens actually. Ask 10 people and you'll get 10 different stories.
Like autobiographies ... people will embellish the truth every chance they get .. and fill in the blanks with help from others too.

Plust that need to ensure that it's an entertaining read.

I take everything with a grain of salt ...
Hell, i cant remember what i did a week ago - or why.

If i wrote a book about myself it would be the biggest bunch of bullshit you could imagine.

[taylorsmommy]

Originally posted by urgeok
If i wrote a book about myself it would be the biggest bunch of bullshit you could imagine.

But, to someone else it could be a compelling read! Everyone has their own take/opinion on things. Which is why I never listen to critics (be it film or book) - to me that's just another person's opinion and it could be completely different from my opinion. Case in point - a guy I used to work with absolutely hates John Carpenter's Vampires - I love it.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by taylorsmommy
But, to someone else it could be a compelling read! Everyone has their own take/opinion on things. Which is why I never listen to critics (be it film or book) - to me that's just another person's opinion and it could be completely different from my opinion. Case in point - a guy I used to work with absolutely hates John Carpenter's Vampires - I love it.

yep, i'm in the hate camp .. and possibly even for a completely different bunch of reasons from your friend ...

But i'll respect your right to enjoy it :)