Just got back from an Obama rally

[Leprucky Cougar]

Originally Posted by La Chat Noire

Well said, Doc. It isn't always quite so easy to get an opportunity in America.

I somewhat agree on this...which is why I'm double majoring with 2 BAs in Engish and Political Science,--so if I don't be a playwright and writer (or cough teacher) I could use political science in a smooth route to work my way into law school--(which I don't mind at all--I haven't did Forensics for nothing) be an attorney for a while--then run for a political office. This has always been my back up plan; fortunately for me, I love politics just as much as I love writing and speaking to people equally so either career direction would be a plus for me.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally Posted by The_Return

McCain's done...he just keeps driving his campaign further into the ground.

Fine with me - My country elected the wrong guy, but you folks dont have to :)

Sorry, McCain is going to win. It's already been decided. :)

nothing left to do except stand back and watch it all burn.

[Festered]

Originally Posted by monalisa

Soooooooo other people can voice their displeasure with Obama and it's fine. I do it and get labled a Klan member. Well that's typical. :mad: Fuck you.

I am surprised and actually quite pleased that anyone even knows who Ron Paul is. That's who would have gotten my vote and still might.

Oh, I wasn't voicing my displeasure with Obama......:rolleyes:


Ron Paul, I thought you meant ......

[monalisa]

Originally Posted by Festered

Oh, I wasn't voicing my displeasure with Obama......:rolleyes:


Ron Paul, I thought you meant ......

Well, it's a good thing you weren't voicing your displeasure with Obama, cuz then apparently you'd have to go klannin' with me. :rolleyes: Maybe I took the jokes the wrong way cuz I don't want to be associated with the KKK, they're a bunch of way fucked-up, very scary weirdos (and I don't mean that as a compliment :p )

Now that pic, THAT's hilarious! Thanks, I needed some good humor. :)

[monalisa]

Originally Posted by pinkfloyd45769

I have to disagree with what was said about welfare.I work for a company that helps people,parents of small children,to get the help they need.We live in a jobless community,there is nothing here.The people we help sign on to welfare programs are usually ashamed.I feel so bad for these people,its not fair.It really pisses me off to go into a business and the person waiting on you looks like they are 15 and does nothing but complain.There are people out there that would give anything for those jobs.So,what i'm trying to say is that i think welfare can help some people better themselves.Where i live they have to work for it,they work just as hard as anyone else.Does it make a difference?I think so!I know there are the so called welfare bums,not here anymore.If you don't work,you don';t get it!


The reason i decided not to vote is because i cannot make up my mind.I only have a few days and i don't see it happening.I think its a waste if i vote for someone i'm not sure i want.Do you guys understand what i'm saying?

Actually, I do understand exactly what you're saying. Although I don't think Obama would be a great leader, I'm not all that fired up about McCain either. I voted for Bush and look what a sorry disappointment he turned out to be. So I may just stay out of it altogether this year too. I don't know. :confused:

[pinkfloyd45769]

Originally Posted by Elvis_Christ

Agree with you on the welfare issue Pinky Pinkster Poodlepie

Thanks sweetie;)
@ Nova,i might have read thread wrong..sorry.I don't even remember whose post it was,i just know i read something about it.I have to defend the small amount of people who do deserve it and need it.I am really emotional in my work,i'm not supposed to be..but i am.I see people that go from working a great job and never needing a thing to having to struggle to feed their families.The sad part is,its usually a mother with 2 or 3 kids that the father refuses to support.Fucking low life dads!!Anyway,i was not directing my post at anyone in particular.Nova,you know i would never bash on you lady;)I just get frustrated by the people who DO look down on those receiving welfare.I know there are tons of people who don't need it,times that by 10 and get the number of those who do;)

[Doc Faustus]

Originally Posted by novakru

First of all, I said nothing to disagree with.
My words never said anything about Welfare, I wasn't even thinking of it.
The lady's husband I was talking about took government insurance and noone over a certain yearly income can get that, so he is one that sees alot of lower income people. I never made any reference to anyone being the derogatory names Doc used in his post. I never would, it's degrading.
There are people that truly struggle, and they are the ones Welfare was created for-to help them along the way.
If you knew anything about me, it would be clear I see people on an even level
and maybe, just maybe not everybody is cut out to be famous.
What's your version of success?
Mine is having good kids.
Mine is my grandfather who worked as a coal miner and when he turned 42 bought his first house and owned it, owned his car and grew a impressive garden in the backyard. He never said a bad word about anybody and always had a smile, a joke and a piece of carmel chews for me.
Was he rich? Not by material means, but I have never met another person as good as he was. He is the reason I do not hate men.
FYI:
Welfare was created to help temporarily
I have a personal experience with it as well.
When my husband lost his job and after 6 months of searching and no new job, we had no income.
We got food stamps and we were disqualified to receive a monthy check because we both owned cars over a $2000 value.
That was the excuse
Not getting into any other details but that was a pretty soul crushing experience.
My mom and me lived in fucking squallor most of my young life, and yet never went on Welfare, instead she worked 3 jobs and went into the Navy and went to college and even though it was slow going, got a Masters in Social Work at age 36. I may have my differences with that women, but that is fucking impressive.




Now, let's see how you all miss the point of this post...;)

My apologies if I seemed abrasive. I take more offense from people who I find to be generally kind and decent being ignorant than I do idiots and am extremely offended whenever people think that an education is the only thing in the way of security in this country. I agree with your vision of success. It's what I want too. I want to have a modest house and raise children. Most authors I know want the same thing. My own grandfather grew up on a mountain in Vermont at a dairy farm and ended up becoming a jet engineer. I'm not sure he could do that today. The man wanted sign in the window and the orphan entrepreneur are gone. I was simply saying it's not as clearcut as just getting the degree. Luck, support and humility have a lot to do with it too, and if one of those things isn't present, intelligent people can fall on their face just as easily as the uneducated. The America game is not so simple as some people want everybody to believe. There are no hard and fast rules. Plenty of stupid, shallow ignorami are rich and plenty of brilliant people are still poor.

[novakru]

I am completely unoffended Doc
There is no easy to anything, in my experience

someone wise just recently told me 'it's how you handle the bad things in life that gets you through it, nothing is impossible unless you let it'.
And I didn't think you were bashing whatsoever Pink, I needed to make sure you or anyone else wasn't reading into what I said other than what was stated..it's all good sweetie!
We all see things in a different light- that doesn't mean I cannot see how incredibly sweet Pink is or how talented Doc is with putting words together.
Just because everybody doesn't agree with me, doesn't mean you are any less that when you DID agree with me.
I hope that can be reciprocal, but not something I expect:cool:
I think reading something is always tainted with our own pre-judgements anyway, you know?
Hence the the wink smilie..

It is the bane of typing letters, If we were all face to face debating, it would be a whole different shabang- I could totally sway you to my way of thinking:D
JK!! I wouldn't wish that for anything, how fucking boring that would be.

We are all coming from completely different backgrounds and life experience.
So we all something to add and I have seen alot of different points of view here and come to see things a little better for it.
I mean Rayne alone has changed my life:) Things I thought were devestating became just a new situation to look FORWARD to.




@Lep, you get more and more interesting my lil dear.
You need to stay at horror so everybody can see you change the world.:cool:

[monster123]

Originally Posted by Leprucky Cougar

WTF?!?!?! It's not a shoe-in. All of the people who think that, probably won't vote and that's how he'll end up losing. I so f***ing wish people wouldn't think that way just because he's leading in the polls. That doesn't mean anything. At some point Kerry/Edwards were leading in the pole of '04 and b/c so many democrats thought it was "a given" they didn't vote. I'm not a republican, but this is one thing I respect from them: They sure know how to get thier supporters at the polls. I don't know how or what they do, but they don't get let downs. Then again...they always have their lobbyists as a backup plan.

Hes a shoe-in ;).

[monster123]

First he does not have enough experience to lead this country. Second, I truly believe he would not represent all Americans. Third he is anti America, he has demonstrated this by his support of the anti American church he has attended for the past 20+ years. Fourth, he continues to support the reverend White who is blatantly racist, anti American, and a despicable individual; especially for a reverend. Last, his wife is also racist and totally anti American. I just dont like him.