New Controversial 'Marriage Question'

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Rayne, the puritans wanted to be free to practice their religion. notice, as soon as they started noticing others bneing interested in other religions (wiccan being one of them) they started burning, hanging and crushing them.

I think metallica had a good line on And Justice For All (i think it was Eye of the Beholder, the song anyway)


"Freedom of choices, made for you"

Wicca is actually a fairly new religion, whereas Pagans have many differing traditions and such. The Witch trials were done in an effort to control the masses. Which is basically what Christianity is all about, keeping the folks under control.

Basically when you go and get a marriage lic. you are legally married. My lady and I were married in a courthouse, and had our handfasting before that (Wiccan tradition).

I dont think that it really matters whether or not the gummit recognizes our religion. Although the Bush admin. made a point to say that Wicca is nto a legit religion. So much for freedom of choice.

The fact of the matter is that this country was founded on Christian values and by Christian folk and it doesnt look like it is going to change anytime soon.

I agree that its bullshit, that we talk about tolerance for other religions and so on as long as we agree with it:mad:

For a long time I kept to myself about my religious beliefs, my mother, I dont think can accept the fact that I am a practicing witch, she thinks its just a phase and somehow I will come out of it and return to being a Lutheran. its been nearly 20 years now, dont think that is going to happen.

To bad for her and those who dont believe, its only done me a world of good, and some for others on occasion when Cernunnos tells me its the right thing to do.

As for the Xmas tree, its a Pagan tradition, part of the Yule celebration, Dec. 21. probably why they moved the birth of Christ to the 25th to demoralize the witches. Same with Ostara, Imbolc, Samhain, and on and on. They were all Pagan traditions and were changed or attempted to change to control the masses. Its really sad if you think about it. But I dont really.:rolleyes:

[The STE]

Originally posted by bwind22
I do not agree with this half of your statement however. If we do away with laws that we got from the bible, then suddenly it becomes okay to lie, steal or cheat on your spouse. Our founding fathers made the majority of their rules based on the Bible. (Which is why you will find the 10 Commandments posted in almost every single courthouse in the country.) I don't think too many people would argue that we should legalize murder, so to some extent, we need these rules.

I'm fairly certain a couple of the other religions say that lying, stealing, and adultry are wrong. I'm a little fuzzy on their stance on murder, but they're probably against that, too.

What I meant was, quoting the bible as a basis for supporting or opposing laws. There was a guy on CNN who was on the school board in like Georgia or something who was debating in favor of paddling in school, and the only thing he used to back up his argument was passages from the bible. Stuff like that.

[Gren the cake]

perhaps part of the reason is OK lets say the gov't recognizes paga, wiccan, etc etc

so how about jedis? peopel that want to marry their animals?

SO if we make the wiccans happy then the oompa loompas r gona get pissed. know what im sayin?? where do u draw the line?? kinda difficult...

[The STE]

draw the line over where they don't recognize any religions' marriages

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Gren the cake
perhaps part of the reason is OK lets say the gov't recognizes paga, wiccan, etc etc

so how about jedis? peopel that want to marry their animals?

SO if we make the wiccans happy then the oompa loompas r gona get pissed. know what im sayin?? where do u draw the line?? kinda difficult...

Yes...No...No...Don't

There shouldn't BE a LINE...That's my point...ALL people should be permitted to form a 'pair bond' in ANY way that they choose, and it should be considered just as valid as ANY other...

NO ANIMALS...Dammit Fluff, what's your thing with sex and animals? :rolleyes:

Hell..The Carny way is the fastest, the easiest,and makes the most sense...lol.....Ride the merry-go-round together, you're married...Ride it backwards, you're divorced.......Fuck it...I'm just gonna be a Carny...I gotta new religion :)

[FairyKorpes]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Yes...No...No...Don't

There shouldn't BE a LINE...That's my point...ALL people should be permitted to form a 'pair bond' in ANY way that they choose, and it should be considered just as valid as ANY other...

But you can do that can you not. I mean what is the real difference from performing a Pagen ritual of some bonding/oneness thing and going in front of a judge and getting a document from the government. Other then you now pay more in income tax.

But if you have some one to perform it for you, why does the government have to acknowledge it. Or rather why would you?

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by FairyKorpes
But you can do that can you not. I mean what is the real difference from performing a Pagen ritual of some bonding/oneness thing and going in front of a judge and getting a document from the government. Other then you now pay more in income tax.

But if you have some one to perform it for you, why does the government have to acknowledge it. Or rather why would you?

Tax Benefits...Health Insurance...Social Security...Etcetera...

I've already made all of these points...

[FairyKorpes]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Tax Benefits...Health Insurance...Social Security...Etcetera...

I've already made all of these points...

Well maybe it's different in the U.S but here, due to the fact i am a single working mother. I get a child tax credit, my day care subsidized and a supplement for daycare and i get most of my paid taxes back at the end of the year. Now if i got married i would loose like 700 a month not to mention having to pay roughly 250 a week in childcare, whereas now i pay 100 a month. I wish things hadn't gone this way, being a single mom but i'm not sure if i would get married even if he asked me.

Healthcare is covered if you make under 25 g's a year. Plus i pay 160 a month for death, life, perscription and optical. And that's for a family. IT would be more if i were married.

Now social security i'm not sure about that one. If you mean you would gain their benefits?

[Kemal]

I was having a similar debate with a friend one time and he brought up the point that "Seperation of church and state' is the biggest myth around. It doesn't say that anywhere in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights."

Well, after he said that I decided to look into it, and you know what? He was right. It doesn't say it in there anywhere. (At least not that I could find.) Anyone know where in our country's documents, it actually says this passage?

The phrase "wall of separation between church and state" appears in a letter from Thomas Jefferson to a Baptist church group. Jefferson was president at the time. The Baptists wanted Jefferson to declare national religious days, and Jefferson told them that the government must never do anything that can be construed as an establishment of religion.

The founding fathers were deists first and Christians second. They believed in God, but they didn't strictly adhere to dogma. I think Jefferson even had a heavily edited Bible - he cut out all the stuff he didn't like.

Exactly who can perform a legal marriage varies by state law.

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by Gren the cake
perhaps part of the reason is OK lets say the gov't recognizes paga, wiccan, etc etc

so how about jedis? peopel that want to marry their animals?

SO if we make the wiccans happy then the oompa loompas r gona get pissed. know what im sayin?? where do u draw the line?? kinda difficult...

Lets not compare a religious philosphy (Pagans) with Star Wars mmmK. Why should the gummit recognize any religion?? If someone wants to believe in the Force so be it.

And the oompa loompas are probably Sun worshippers judging by their tans. ANd what is wrong with that?? The gummit says its immoral and so in turn it must be wrong and in turn illegit.

I dont think the gummit should have any say in what goes on in the lives of its people concerning religion.