whos your favorite real killer or real history badass

[thEsounDofdirT]

you are right about 2 kinds of schizophrenics... the catatonic and the disorganized subclasses.. but some people just have short periods that leave them tormented

also, those schizophrenics that suffer from such delusions that they believe everyone is out to get them or something crazy will happen... take for instance the movie Fallen... he thought everyone was a demon and that he was receiving messages from God on the people he was supposed to kill ... that is the kind of schizophrenia you need to watch out for... some can be very scary in their organization of the incorrect ideas

[feral cat]

.... In the UK we have introduced the idea of care in the community, i.e. schizophrenics etc are monitored in the community and given medication to block the condition. As is often the case they forget or deliberately come of the meds(Often because they make them feel disorientated and sluggish) and the delusional feelings of unreality return, these people do attack and some times kill random strangers, but are caught quickly they do not become long term serial killers able to act normal in society! ... Like say Fred west from the UK who continued to be seen as a normal and who people thought of as a friendly guy!!!

[thEsounDofdirT]

yea.. this is why, successful serial killers are actually pretty rare... it's not often you find one deliberate and intelligent and focused enough to keep going and still evade the law...

[Vodstok]

.....For longer than a few years or so. Many, most even, go undetected for most of their carreers. look at how many have never been caught. Think about how many unsolved murders are actuaklly the work of an unkown serial killer.

They usually get caught when they get sloppy. Dahmer was doing pretty well for quite a while, but as his killing gained frequency, he got sloppy, and got caught.

Jack the ripper was never caught. Zodiac was never caught. The Greenriver killer was never caught. BTK was never caught.

MO plays a big part in their capture. henry lee lucas was not caught for any of his murders. He fucked up and got arrested for carrying a gun when he was on parole. It was only later that he confessed to killing. This happens in a lot of cases, they get busted for something else, and get discovered. Edmund Kemper CALLED THE COPS ON HIMSELF. Then he sat around and waited for them to pick him up.

One thing you see is that many sociopaths are chameleons, by observing others, they learn to mimic normal personalities. That is why they always "Seem like such a nice boy". I will grant you that the mentally ill exhibit what you described, but most serial killers arent crazy.

I think it was Dennis Nilsen (the english jeffery dahmer) who saifd that it was possible to be evil and sane. They know what they are doing, they know that it is wrong, but they are unable or unwilling to resist their urges.

[kpropain]

Actually the Green River killer was caught recently if I'm not mistaken

[Vodstok]

Really? Cool. Good. Sick fucker.

[Steelsymth]

I think people who don't know better mix up serial killers and spree killers, there's a diffrence

[kpropain]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Really? Cool. Good. Sick fucker.

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[thEsounDofdirT]

riddle me this.. how can one murder... and not have some type of mental/personality disorder ("crazy")

call it anger ... call it revenge... it all links to a mental disturbance

[Vodstok]

I think you are jumbling the terms up, though. "Disturbed" doesnt mean "Crazy". Obviously, there is something wrong with them, but that doesnt mean that they are completely out of touch with reality. This is a great article on the subject:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k...victims_1.html

I gets into some pretty deep thought about the whole thing. The basic thing is, these people arent living in a fairy world where demons chase them and order them to kill. People like that are exceedingly rare. It is thought that Son of Sam came up with the dog telling him to do it as an excuse.

Most Serial killers are organised, and have a very clear understanding of what they are doing, and that it is morally wrong. They also know full well it is illeagle. That is why these people never get off on insanity, they ARE sane. They took steps to cover their tracks, they know society deems it wrong, but they dont care, they just need to fullfill their fantasy and experience the thrill.

Michael Meyers and Jason are not based on any real people, they are entirely fuictional. Mass murderers of that kind are also exceedingly rare. The only person that qualifies that i can think of is Edward Speck. he killed 7 or 8 women in one night. He also wasnt "Crazy", he was angry.


Just because they cant control their urges doesnt excuse them, or make them fruitcakes. They are usually very methodical. a lot of planning goes into their activities. Nuts dont plan, they react, or act out. Sociopaths are unable to relate to other people, or feel empathy. That may make the aberrant, and even psychotic, but they still "exist" in our world. They dont roam around in little worlds of their own construct, only to wake up and find they have killed. They Meant to do it.