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Old 05-11-2009, 05:39 AM
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all depends on the writer who he'd let win in the final fight of a story/film.
No no no- we're talking about a real vampire & werewolf!
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Yes yes--a REAL vampire and a REAL werewolf! When they fight in real life--who shall win! And what of the chimp! He is real too, as real as they...! I still put money on the chimp.
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How many vampires run around with an ample collection of silver objects for that matter?
Obviously you didnt read Doc's reply and my reply to him correctly. Read those two posts again.
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Thats very true, but how many werewolves run around with crosses, garlic and running water after transformation? Even if they got those in their human form and waited for the full moon for their morphing, I dont see how they ll recognise and know the relevance of those things near them once they are transformed. The rage inside them will make them start running towards their nearest prey to rip them to shreds.




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There is more of a chance of incidentally encountering an item vampires are vulnerable to then encountering one werewolves are vulnerable to. Running water could be anywhere, the scent of garlic could hang in the air near a restaurant dumpster, churchbells ring quite frequently. It's also not altogether unlikely depending upon the identity of the werewolf that they might have a cross on them at the time of transformation. If the werewolf is the sort that maintains some degree of intelligence during the change World of Darkness werewolves being an example, uprooting a fence post and impaling a vampire on it is not altogether impossible. Also, vampires sometimes take time to heal from being thoroughly mauled and dismembered.
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There is more of a chance of incidentally encountering an item vampires are vulnerable to then encountering one werewolves are vulnerable to. Running water could be anywhere, the scent of garlic could hang in the air near a restaurant dumpster, churchbells ring quite frequently. It's also not altogether unlikely depending upon the identity of the werewolf that they might have a cross on them at the time of transformation. If the werewolf is the sort that maintains some degree of intelligence during the change World of Darkness werewolves being an example, uprooting a fence post and impaling a vampire on it is not altogether impossible. Also, vampires sometimes take time to heal from being thoroughly mauled and dismembered.
Agreed.

But its more unlikely that werewolves have some sort of memories left in them of their "human" form after fully transformed. So that is a real shot in the dark.

I havent read World of Darkness yet so I cannot comment on it (or exemplify by it). All of my arguments are based solely on - A) Stoker's portrayal of Dracula, B) Vampire and werewolf folklore and stories in literary fiction, and C) Media influences.

Although I must admit the media, specially movies, have watered down Dracula (and even other vampires, for that matter) considerably. Stoker's Dracula was a much, MUCH more powerful creature of the night. The lines with which Stoker has drawn his most popular character, draw a very powerful and monstrous creature than the one we have seen in movies, specially in the later modern versions.


His face was a strong, a very strong, aquiline, with high bridge of the thin nose and peculiarly arched nostrils; with lofty domed forehead, and hair growing scantily round the temples, but profusely elsewhere. His eyebrows were very massive, almost meeting over the nose, and with bushy hair that seemed to curl in its own profusion. The mouth, so far as I could see it under the heavy moustache, was fixed and rather cruel looking, with peculiarly sharp white teeth; these protruded over the lips, whose remarkable ruddiness showed astonishing vitality in a man of his years. For the rest, his ears were pale and at the tops extremely pointed; the chin was broad and strong, and the cheeks firm though thin. The general effect was one of extraordinary pallor.

– Jonathan Harker's Journal, Dracula, Chapter 2



There lay the Count, but looking as if his youth had been half restored. For the white hair and moustache were changed to dark iron-grey. The cheeks were fuller, and the white skin seemed ruby-red underneath. The mouth was redder than ever, for on the lips were gouts of fresh blood, which trickled from the corners of the mouth and ran down over the chin and neck. Even the deep, burning eyes seemed set amongst swollen flesh, for the lids and pouches underneath were bloated. It seemed as if the whole awful creature were simply gorged with blood. He lay like a filthy leech, exhausted with his repletion.

– Jonathan Harker's Journal, Dracula, Chapter 4


Just reading those descriptions send a shiver down my spine. Too bad the movies havent been as faithful to Stoker's images as they should have, except in a selected few outings of Chris Lee. And Shreck and Lugosi, but of course.
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I would like to see a faithful Dracula. Lee comes the closest. He's clearly a barbarian and a predator, while other Draculas forget that this is a guy descended from Attilla the Hun.
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I would like to see a faithful Dracula. Lee comes the closest. He's clearly a barbarian and a predator, while other Draculas forget that this is a guy descended from Attilla the Hun.
Yeh.

Too bad people only know the guy from watching forgettables like Van Helsing or Dracula 2000, even Blade Trinity. Blade beat Dracula?! Oi Vey! :rolleyes:
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I would like to see a faithful Dracula. Lee comes the closest. He's clearly a barbarian and a predator, while other Draculas forget that this is a guy descended from Attilla the Hun.

You mean Vlad the Impaler?


And I agree. No one has gotten the brutality right. Too many directors want to make him some lonely, lovelorn pussy. Personally, I thought Dracula 2000 came closest.
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Stoker's Dracula also makes mention of descent from Atilla.
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