This is why I have lost faith in humanity.

[bwind22]

Originally Posted by Despare

Probably no insurance because if you read the article he was placed there for the rush as extra help from a temp agency. $8 or $9 dollars an hour is a hell of a lot better than if he was in China slaving his life away AND it's above minimum wage, places that want to MAKE MONEY do not have to pay high wages, hell, we might as well be Socialist and all make the same wage in that case. Why the fuck should anybody get more than $9.00 an hour to be a greeter?

When he was slaving in China at a sweatshop to make all the fine Wal Mart products that allow for their low, low prices?

I can't fathom a reason you defend them so fiercely. Are you a member of the Walton family or something? Or do you just know nothing of how that corporation operates?

Minimum wage is $7.78. (Going up to $8.15 next year I believe.) $8-$9 may as well be minimum wage. It's not enough to survive on and certainly not enough to put your life at risk in front of a horde of crazed bargain shoppers that're willing to tear the door off it's hinges and trample you to death to get to the sweat shop deals.

[ferretchucker]

Minimum wage is what you need to survive. It can pay for all the needs, but none of the wants. And also, if he would have wanted more, or any of the people who work there, they could go somewhere else. There are always places that need employees. They choose to stay there, and so I don't think they can complain about it.

[Despare]

Originally Posted by bwind22

When he was slaving in China at a sweatshop to make all the fine Wal Mart products that allow for their low, low prices?

I can't fathom a reason you defend them so fiercely. Are you a member of the Walton family or something? Or do you just know nothing of how that corporation operates?

Minimum wage is $7.78. (Going up to $8.15 next year I believe.) $8-$9 may as well be minimum wage. It's not enough to survive on and certainly not enough to put your life at risk in front of a horde of crazed bargain shoppers that're willing to tear the door off it's hinges and trample you to death to get to the sweat shop deals.

I have over 10 people I know and/or relation who work there and get paid well INCLUDING benefits. Sorry it doesn't match up with the "facts" from your documentary, but it's the truth. I'm not saying all their operating procedures are right but this is America and they should have the right to practice whatever business strategies they feel fit. Putting your life at risk is a stretch... it's one day a year this craze happens and how many Wal-Marts are around nation-wide? 1 out of how many employees were killed? Sounds like a freak accident more than a life threatening job. My wife's friend was hit by a forklift at Lowes, does that mean working at or shopping at Lowes is life threatening?

[bwind22]

Minimum wage is not what you need to survive. That's the idea behind it, but it's not realistic. $7.78 an hour can not afford rent or a mortgage, a car plus gas to put in itor insurance coverage for it, food, health and dental insurance and clothing. And if you have kids or needs perscription medication, forget about it.

As for just going to get another job, it's not always as simple as that. Our economy is shit right now and most businesses are laying people off and cutting costs wherever they can, not looking to hire and train new employees. Not to mention if they work at a small town WalMart, then many of the other local companies have probably already been put out of business by WalMart's sweat shop prices, further limiting job selection.

Strangely enough though, it's not usually the workers that complain (They'd lose their job if Walmart caught wind of that.). It's other people who see the bigger picture that complain on their behalf. Watch the documentary, Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Prices. It's very revealing & very well done.

[bwind22]

Originally Posted by Despare

I have over 10 people I know and/or relation who work there and get paid well INCLUDING benefits. Sorry it doesn't match up with the "facts" from your documentary, but it's the truth. I'm not saying all their operating procedures are right but this is America and they should have the right to practice whatever business strategies they feel fit.

They can and do run their business how they see fit, but seeing as this is America and I have freedom of speech, I also have the right to despise them for it and let people know they are the sleaziest corporation in the country.

Putting your life at risk is a stretch... it's one day a year this craze happens and how many Wal-Marts are around nation-wide? 1 out of how many employees were killed? Sounds like a freak accident more than a life threatening job.

I wouldn't say greeting people at Wal Mart is a life threatening job in general, but this guy died doing it so his life was clearly at risk. It could have been prevented had the store taken measures to organize and control the crowd outside the store.

My wife's friend was hit by a forklift at Lowes, does that mean working at or shopping at Lowes is life threatening?

Sure, working with forklifts or any heavy machinery can be life threatening. And I'm sure people working with heavy machinery at Lowe's are getting paid more than front door greeters at WalMart to compensate for the danger.

[Despare]

Originally Posted by bwind22

Strangely enough though, it's not usually the workers that complain (They'd lose their job if Walmart caught wind of that.). It's other people who see the bigger picture that complain on their behalf. Watch the documentary, Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Prices. It's very revealing & very well done.

Maybe that's because what you HEAR or see in a movie isn't exactly the truth...

I don't have a problem with you saying what you believe, you're free to say what you'd like, but I have every right to oppose your view. I'm not calling you names or making threats, just saying that I think you're wrong. :)

[stubbornforgey]

Originally Posted by ferretchucker

Minimum wage is what you need to survive. It can pay for all the needs, but none of the wants. And also, if he would have wanted more, or any of the people who work there, they could go somewhere else. There are always places that need employees. They choose to stay there, and so I don't think they can complain about it.

this is the most dumbest thing i have ever heard from you..!!!
People are just happy to get a job..no matter where it is.
These employees dont choose to stay..but work in one place untill
they have earned enough to move on or are looking for better employment
while they receive the minimun wage.
has it ever occured to to u that in todays reality world..[not wat u see on t.v]
the unemployment rate is so high..getting a job in the market now is
so hard.

I take my hat off to these supermarket workers..the hours are long..
they have to put up with crap customers and they get paid shit money..
but the thing is ..AT LEAST THEY ARE WORKING !!!!

[bwind22]

Originally Posted by Despare

Maybe that's because what you HEAR or see in a movie isn't exactly the truth...

Or maybe it's because they fear losing the crap job that they have.

I don't have a problem with you saying what you believe, you're free to say what you'd like, but I have every right to oppose your view. I'm not calling you names or making threats, just saying that I think you're wrong. :)

Agreed. This is a cordial debate, not a heated or mean spirited arguement by any means. But like I said earlier, I think we've had this discussion at least once before, so I'll just leave it at that.

[stubbornforgey]

Employees complain ..no matter where they work or what thier income is.

Its just human nature..

[Psycom5k]

Originally Posted by stubbornforgey

Employees complain ..no matter where they work or what thier income is.

Its just human nature..

Trust me, I've worked for Walmart, they treat you like garbage, you can't open your mouth about how anything is run or your normally fired. The people who run the stores are normally assholes, who show favoritism to certain people, which by the way, for a company that prides themselves on being equal opportunity, its only that way for people that the people who run the stores like, because you could be the right person for the job, and if your "superiors" don't like you, but they like somebody who doesn't deserve the higher position, the other person will get it 99% of the time. Not to mention that the garbage insurance that they offer costs way too much. And on the note of the favoritism, you can get into trouble for the dumbest stuff, being late 2 minutes(which I've seen people get fired over, mind you it was on many occasions but still only a couple minutes) but other people will be stealing merchandise, or worse the fucking managers give them shit, and they don't get in trouble at all.

Call it what you want, Walmart is the worst employer you can work for.