Reparations And Affirmative Action?...Touchy Subjects

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
I guess I shouldn't say they shouldn't have to learn our language, but I don't think we should be forcing them to do it. If they wanna hold on to their language, I think that's fine. I just don't get the hostility towards forcing other cultures to adapt.

But, Sweetie think about it...You don't have to give up your culture, just to learn another language...No one expects someone to change who they are, how they live, or what they believe in, only to change what they KNOW


It's to COMMUNICATE...Not to ASSIMULATE


See?...It's really not so bad...



"Join Ussss"...heh


BTW...I can speak Spanish...But, I'm still...umm..well...whatever the hell I am...We are ALL mixed anyway, ya know...There really is no 'pure race'...

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
But, Sweetie think about it...You don't have to give up your culture, just to learn another language...No one expects someone to change who they are, how they live, or what they believe in, only to change what they KNOW


It's to COMMUNICATE...Not to ASSIMULATE


See?...It's really not so bad...



"Join Ussss"...heh


BTW...I can speak Spanish...But, I'm still...umm..well...whatever the hell I am...We are ALL mixed anyway, ya know...There really is no 'pure race'...

Well we are asking them to change how they LIVE, and as for what they believe in... us Americans will persecute them for that once they're here... but that's a totally different conversation.

And I'll NEVER join you... I'll always stick up for the little mexican guy.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
Well we are asking them to change how they LIVE

Only in some ways for the better...Yet, WE don't ask them to do that, THEY choose to do that when they decide they wanna live here...They can still prepare and eat the same foods, celebrate the same holidays, decorate their homes the same way, raise their children however they like, etcetera...

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
as for what they believe in... us Americans will persecute them for that once they're here

Hell, people do that EVERYWHERE...We should all be used to it by now...At least we (Americans) don't do it as bad as some...Ever heard of a little place called 'The Middle East'?


Anyway...This has given me an idea for another thread...:p

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Hell, people do that EVERYWHERE...We should all be used to it by now...At least we (Americans) don't do it as bad as some...Ever heard of a little place called 'The Middle East'?

Is that the restaurant where they make you penis hats out of newspaper?

[The STE]

I'm not persecuting anybody.

I do agree that they should at least TRY to learn English. Like It's said, we've got tons of ethnicities and cultures, should we try to learn ALL of their languages? Or is it more fair to have someone who is (in most cases) voluntarily moving to this country try to learn English?

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by The STE
I'm not persecuting anybody.

I do agree that they should at least TRY to learn English. Like It's said, we've got tons of ethnicities and cultures, should we try to learn ALL of their languages? Or is it more fair to have someone who is (in most cases) voluntarily moving to this country try to learn English?

Thank you...That's my point


And everyone can 'hold onto' their own language, as well as know another one...You don't have to 'give up' one for the other

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by trippin_the_rif
AMERICANS cant get decent jobs without being bilingual. That's pretty shitty. I wont alter my life for those who wont alter theirs. Anything else you'd like to add?

Wah. You don't think they've altered their lives?

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by cheebacheeba
Angela...If you actually mean that...that's stupid. I mean I'm not here taking the opposing side, but what you just said, of I'm correct about it is that two people can apply for a job, a white person, and a black person, and be equally qualified...and the black person should just get it on account of that, being black? HAha...you don't seriously mean that do you?
If it came down to EXACTLY the same profile in every other way than race, clearly there'd be other factors to consider...attitude, references...etc, but "lets just hand the equally qualified black guy the job? Fuck all that, shit, even if I was the black guy, I'd be ashamed as a motherfucker to take a job given in such a manner. I mean, imagine the reverse, and the potential employers were conducting an interview, same questions, same answers. What if they asked the very frequently asked interview question "and why do you think you'd be good for this job?" would it be ok for his/her answer to be "Well, as you can see by my resume, I come highly qualified, oh, and because I'm BLACK, which clearly puts me over the top of all these equally qualified white folk". I wouldn't stand for that any more than I'd stand for the other applicant thinking he should have a better shot at the job on account of being white. Anyone that thinks race (regardless of which) could, or should carry them into a job should be ashamed of themselves, as should anyone that would perpetuate the situation by letting this kind of thing occur.

I don't know much about the whole affirmative action/reparation thang, so I admit partial ignorance in this matter...however, there have been issues in my countrys past (different story here, but similar situation)...the whites have done some TERRIBLE things to the indigenous people of this place, rapes, kidnappings, killings, and ongoing REALLY shitty treatment of any of those that survived these things. Do I feel bad about that? Of course. Will I apologise for acts commited by descendants? No fucking way. These are things that I would never consider doing to other people of ANY race, and I would very much frown upon anyone that could even entertain the notion, and yknow what? If that doesn't cut it, I couldn't give a fuck less.
I treat all people as equals, I'm an easygoing guy...I have friends from pretty much every race I've encountered here...however, that said...If and when I were to get my restaurant up and running in the future, and I was seeing applicants, it would take more qualifications than "I'm of a race trodden upon by your ancestors", to see them through their interview. Why? Because race isn't something I'd think to consider in the first place, one way or the other.
Sure, if it came down to a white person and a black person, admittedly, my subconcious may have me leaning in favour if the white person, however, that's irrelevant. The outcome would be decided SOLELY on the basis of skills, experience, and disposition. In the UNLIKELY event that the two people should have exactly the same age, presentation, and qualifications, the decision would be based on the persons attitude, work ethic, and general disposition.
See, throwing a job at a person because of their race, IMO, make ME look like the stupid asshole...and in all honesty, I don't think I'd REALLY be doing the person any favours if I DID. I'm all about equal oppertunity in terms of race, but that's exactly where the buck stops EQUAL means EQUAL.

It's not like the reason behind giving jobs to black people over white people is a way to apologize or something. I just think that black people are still effected by slavery and that they are disadvantaged in some degree so that in the result of two equally qualified people, one white and one black, the black person should get the job. If you think that it's a stupid idea, that's fine by me. I'm out of this thread after this post because I'm in the serious minority here and that's no fun.

I'll agree that every spanish only speaking person should learn to speak english, but only on the same ground that english only speaking people should learn to speak spanish.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Angelakillsluts
I'm out of this thread after this post because I'm in the serious minority here and that's no fun.

Aww, but diversity, and opposing opinions is what makes discussion interesting...

I think we've had some awesome point/counterpoint going on here...

And I appreciate it


Thanks Guys:)

[Haunted]

I wanna say a little something about Japan and the Middle East...

You can't immigrate to Japan. If you marry a Japanese citizen, you are still an American living in Japan. You can't become Japanese. However, you can live in America and Japanese- American. Strange little flip, that.

You've all heard of the Crusades: A bunch of nut-hatchs marching into the Middle East (at the behest of a nut-hatch Pope) slaughtering thousands in the name of God, and attempting to snatch the land out from under the peope because the Europeans had deemed the area, "The Holy Land." Oh yeah, and said nut-hatches would often stop along the way and slaughter the Jews that lived in Europe.

Now, it's the Muslims breeding nut-hatches. If they were able, and Iran is really putting forth the effort (fascist asshole government) to pretty much do the same thing except not because they consider the US and Europe as "holy," but because of the opposite. They think we're evil.

Funny how history plays out. As you probably know, I'm not taking up for the terrorists/extremists by any means. I think killing in the name of any deity is stupid. I think killing people, period, is stupid. I'd like to beat up a terrorist/Jihad extremist. I'd also like to beat up most of the hoity-toity shmucks in Europe during the times of the Crusades.