Suicide

[allmykids]

Originally posted by urgeok
i always figured no matter how much shit got thown at me i could handle it .. either weather it or bide my time until i could change it.
So far i was right ..

i went through a shitty loveless childhood,
being so broke i lived off of change i found (on peoples desks) on the nightshift of my shitty job - for 2 years ..
I weathered bosses that gave me ulcers, bad relationships i stck with, and a failed marriage that was called off while we were adopting a child from China.

i'm not going to mention the trivial things like a car being totalled 3 days after replacing a blown engine, failed furnaces or any other major financial setbacks that seem like they are going to kill you at the time
Shit happens as long as you are alive ... sometimes the balance is on the bad side .. the trick is to stay alive long enough to see the balance swing your way.
sometimes it just happens, sometimes the responsibility is on you to be strong enough to do something about it.

that being said ... if the problem is chemical/hormonal, etc ... its pretty hard for the rest of us to identify with it ...nothing i said above will apply.
Medication is probably the only answer.

I have Bi-polor and it would take a long time to tell you all the shit i have gone through. I am going to the doctor on monday to get back on my meds. I know this will help some but I guess I need to get back into counsling too. I was doing very well for a long time but I ran out of meds quit counsling I figured shit i had counsling for 7 years. I don't need it anymore. But i guess i do. well thanks for listening. belive it or not you have helped!! and for that I thank you!!

[urgeok]

Originally posted by allmykids
I have Bi-polor and it would take a long time to tell you all the shit i have gone through. I am going to the doctor on monday to get back on my meds. I know this will help some but I guess I need to get back into counsling too. I was doing very well for a long time but I ran out of meds quit counsling I figured shit i had counsling for 7 years. I don't need it anymore. But i guess i do. well thanks for listening. belive it or not you have helped!! and for that I thank you!!

well, if we helped then this forum is worth something after all.

I think the meds and councelling may be a life long commitment ..
hopefully you'll get government assistance for it ...

[MichaelMyers]

I am for physician assisted suicide. If someone wishes to die, they should be able to do so.

[urgeok]

under certain circumstances sure .. incurable painful illnesses...

but for depression ? thats letting a drunk make up his mind to drive or not.

If you can help people have a good life through medication, etc ..
then they will be in a better frame of mind to determine if they really want to live or not ...

[evil_blonde]

It's great to see we can have a mostly civilised discussion here.

:)

[Gren the cake]

i think one of the issues, is that with some people they will make up their mind and will not change it for any reason

its almost like theyw ill set themselves up and allow no room for movemet

ex. my friend on a whim got married to her bf (navy was going to be shped to japan, needed to be married to go with him). ok they got an aprtment together but guess what, no car. so she would take a taxi to school. finally got a car and what does he do? "this car idsnt safe so i dont want u driving it" so he'd tkae both sets of keys with him tow ork

so the VERY NEXT DAY withou even tlaking to anyone hardly, she just calls the schools and cancels all of her classes. wouldnt even give hreself any way to move

same with suicide, peope will get it stuck in their heads fo deeply that theres NOTHING left for them, u cant even chang their mind that perhaps hey, ur not the only one, and there are peopel going through werse shit than u

stuborn.. hardhednessess...

[I_Still_Know!]

Originally posted by Gren the cake

same with suicide, peope will get it stuck in their heads fo deeply that theres NOTHING left for them, u cant even chang their mind that perhaps hey, ur not the only one, and there are peopel going through werse shit than u

stuborn.. hardhednessess...

You tell people that are depressed\suicidal to just change their minds, that there are people worse off could infact make the situation worse.

If you want out of this world, if you are depressed, it could very well be that you can't deal with the pain of, not only your own life, but others around you. Some people feel ALL things deeply. You don't seem like one of those people. Your a lucky one!

[Gren the cake]

Originally posted by I_Still_Know!
You tell people that are depressed\suicidal to just change their minds, that there are people worse off could infact make the situation worse.

If you want out of this world, if you are depressed, it could very well be that you can't deal with the pain of, not only your own life, but others around you. Some people feel ALL things deeply. You don't seem like one of those people. Your a lucky one!

not necessarily to change their mind, hust to realize that out of the billions of people in th world now, and the billions before us and after us, that there HAS to be some people to experience the same, if not worse, than what u r experiencing now

yes the world is full of pain but just like that it is full of good too. u need the both, u cant have life withou death.

thats the problem really, depressed people focusing too much on the one. too much on the past, on the bad. when u hafto look at the WHOLE picture, yesterday, today, tomorrow, the good, bad, ugly.. etc..

i feel things deeply sure, im passionate aobut shit. but about all kinds of stuff. just like im passionate about certain problems in the world, im passionate about loves that i have for this world. i guess its just about being balanced. perhaps depressed people r too leaned one way..... just their viewpoint, hard to change.

[Haphazard]

Originally posted by I_Still_Know!
You tell people that are depressed\suicidal to just change their minds, that there are people worse off could infact make the situation worse.

If you want out of this world, if you are depressed, it could very well be that you can't deal with the pain of, not only your own life, but others around you. Some people feel ALL things deeply. You don't seem like one of those people. Your a lucky one!

I agree with this.

I used to be a very upbeat, positive person when I was younger. THEN the world fucks you up the ass, and I have become increasingly darker/depressed and more pessimistic over the years. However, to try and get out of these moods -- for me -- is damn near impossible. Every time I turn around (as if I am not at my own wits end) I have friends or family who are experiencing the same exact setbacks and my heart goes out to them...but at the same time, it is just confirming to me that life sucks and there is no way around it.

This is the way I feel, and I certainly didn't make me feel that way.

If it's not something within me...it doesn't really matter, because I am so affected by the people around me.

[I_Still_Know!]

Originally posted by Gren the cake
perhaps depressed people r too leaned one way..... just their viewpoint, hard to change.

Exactly! And like Urg said that can be due to a chemical imbalance, so they are not really going to realise the good in their life if your brain is telling you that everything is bad\wrong.