a hypothetical...

[Stingy Jack]

Well, I hope you took note of my stipulation above. "Just as long as all parties involved are emotionally stable enough to accept and co-exist in such a situation." I'm pretty sure most people aren't. Because (also an instinctual thing), we don't like to share. :D We are very territorial creatures who are highly aggressive and protective when it comes to keeping our stuff to ourselves (and I hate to label spouses as "stuff" here, but we're even more protective of them than we are our material things. I've gotten into fights with really close friends before because they thought I was getting too friendly with their current girlfriends.)

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by Vodstok
The fact that they use religion to back them up is my #1 problem. Also, the thing i was watching last night showed how they almost always degenerate into abusive relationships. A sickening number of the husbands chose to "initiate" their daughters anywhere from age 18 down to 3 and 5......

I imagine it is great and not at all harmful for many people....

Wait.. I'm not sure I understand this. Please explain. I have no idea what you're talking about, but it sounds sick and disturbing.

[Stingy Jack]

Polygamy is the act of one man taking more than one wife. Vod was saying that in many of these relationships, the husband will betrothe his daughters to another man as early as three years of age. That's pretty funky.

[Egekrusher]

Oh, ok, I got that part of it. I was missreading one thing though.. I thought... incest... well, you get it.

[Stingy Jack]

I just threw up for no reason! :D

[NirvanaNole]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
It is legal for them to do so. It is an established precedent.

What I don't understand is where the line is between your child being your personal property and them being an individual with rights of their own. If you were to explain the situation to the child, and they understood what was happening, and asked for the transfusion, would the parents be able to stop you?

This kind of shit pisses me off SO BAD. What I really want to do is drain these motherfuckers blood out of their body to the point where they are just barely alive, and get rid of said blood. Once that happens, ask them if they still believe it's wrong to accept the gift of blood from someone else. That should show those fucking retards what it's like. You can't make those kind of decisions for your child. Personally, if I knew someone who made that decision, I would be forced to make the same one for them. They would die, a rather slow and painful death.

The government usually will not intervene unless the child's health is in serious danger. It is personal choice. How you raise your own children is a "fundamental right" under the Constitution, and any government action must meet strict scrutiny to be constitutional. This is the highest standard in the land and the government almost always losses in issues involving strict scrutiny. I'll leave it at that and not explain it in any more detail. It would take more time than I have to explain Constitutional law to those that have not studied it.

In the situation you mentioned, a child could go to the police and use the judicial system to overrule a parent's decision. A child can become emancipated to legally have the authority to make all his/her decisions, or the court may appoint a guardian if they deem the parents to be endangering the children.

I've probably confused people even more by this post, but oh well. :lol

[fluffho]

you have successfully confused me.. thank you :D

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[wufong]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Yeah, I know. Personally, I think it's a BAD idea to involve children in ANY form of religion. And that means taking your kids to church and telling them that stuff is true. I mean, that's just brainwashing. Children aren't mature enough to come to decisions about their metaphysical beliefs, and most people never even have the chance to make that choice for themselves. I know that plenty of people will tell you that they CHOSE Christianity, or whatever ... but there's something to be said about the fact that people tend to become whatever religion it was their parents were. If you take your average Christian and question him, he will probably tell you that his parents brought him to church when he was a kid, etc. etc. Then you ask him: "Do you think you would choose Christianity if you grew up in Indiana in the house of parents who followed Hinduism?" And he will tell you: "Yes, I would." But, that's bullshit. He would probably have followed Hinduism. I don't think religion should be presented as truth to anyone ... let alone children. But, if we're going to have religion, at least keep it tucked away until the kid is old enough to understand the deeper meanings of religion and choose one on his own. That's truly choosing Christ of your own free will (or ... whatever).

well i think bringing your kids up to be atheist is just as wrong. And what you're saying about kids of christians becoming christians. is true. (for most part as my three brothers aren't christians they are atheist) but its also true about kids of atheist becoming atheist. Is that brain washing? I mean if your kids asked you why doesn't he go to church, you'll tell him why. wouldn't you? is that brain washing?Of course a christian will bring their kid up as a christian and there is nothing wrong with that. same as atheist parents will bring their kids up as atheist. and there is nothing wrong with that. Of course a parent is going to bring THEIR child up with the same vaules and beliefs as them. wether they christian, jew, muslim or even atheist. it's only natural.

[wufong]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Polygamy is the act of one man taking more than one wife. Vod was saying that in many of these relationships, the husband will betrothe his daughters to another man as early as three years of age. That's pretty funky.

yeah those hindus are whacked man!!!!!! really WHACKED!

[Stingy Jack]

Well, I'm not really bringing my kid up to be an atheist. I'm bringing her up to think for herself about that kind of thing. It drives me nuts when I see her praying over her meals and stuff, but, as I said, all I tell her is that "she shouldn't do something like that unless she understands it." When she reaches a certain age (she's only 4 now), and asks me "Why don't I go to church?" I will tell her that she is too young. When she is more mature, and is able to better understand things like religion, then I will allow her to go to church if she so chooses. Honestly, I am trying my hardest to bring her up in a way that she is empowered to make intelligent, informed decisions for herself.