Are Snuff Movies real?

[neverending]

I remain optomistic a secret could be kept between a few people.

[swiss tony]

You may well be right. Here's another question: if snuff exists, where in the world are it's most likely origins?

I'm going to say either Russia or Cambodia

[Ferox13]

LOL@optimistic

Originally Posted by swiss tony

if snuff exists, where in the world are it's most likely origins?
I'm going to say either Russia or Cambodia

"The film that could only be made in Limerick... where life is CHEAP. ..."

[siorai]

Originally Posted by swiss tony

The risks of making the movie far out-weigh the gains. You go to all that effort, risking incarceration just to provide footage of an actual murder. The sort of people who would want to buy your movie can access a mountain of similar material for free online.

It doesn't really work as a business, especially with file sharing. You'd only sell a few copies before it'd flood the net. And to fork out the sort of money it'd be, to buy the first copy, well, you could probably buy Madeleine McCann for less.

I think the question isn't, 'does snuff exist?' but, 'why would you bother?'

"Similar" just doesn't cut it. Not just for someone wanting snuff, but for most anything that someone is passionate about. If you really, really want a burger from Jack in the Box, White Castle just isn't going to cut it. It's similar, but it's not Jack in the Box is it? So if someone wants to see someone murdered, some random Faces of Death or Ogrish clip just wouldn't cut it. The end result may be the same (someone is killed), but the intention is all wrong and that intention would be the whole key to snuff.

I don't think that it would "flood the net." This isn't Blockbuster we're talking about. The buyer and seller would probably know each other quite well. Well enough so that I would tend to assume that a seller would know every single person they've sold a particular film to if they even sell it to multiple people. If they saw that film get released publicly I highly doubt they would have any problems with finding each person they sold it to and having a "very stern talk" with them. *wink* *wink* Plus you have to think of the person buying the film. Quite possibly the film was "made to order." The way to garner the highest possible price for the seller would be to tailor each film to the client. So if the film is that personal, why would the buyer want to share it with everyone? It was made for them and them alone.

I think the answer to "why would you bother" is quite obvious. Money. Tons and tons of money. With the obvious risks involved coupled with the (hopefully) very niche market, a seller could name their price.

[swiss tony]

You make excellent points and I agree that the reason to make a 'snuff' movie would be money. However, if one was made it would ultimately be greed that would reveal it's existence.

If I made you a movie and you paid me $1m for it, even if we had an exclusive deal agreement, the temptation to run off a few more copies would be too tempting. If I broke our deal and sold a dozen copies for similar money, I can promise you you'd have serious problems tracking me down. It's pretty easy to get lost with all that dough.

Similarly, if I paid $1m for you to make me a 'snuff' movie, there would be tremendous temptation to make a few copies to sell and recoup my initial investment.

It seems like the only way it can exist is under very particular circumstances that involve a wall of silence and professional criminals who implicitly trust one another. Possible but unlikely.

[BookZombie]

No Snuff movie has ever been discovered by a Law enforcement agency.

That we do not know, the police generally do not publish lists of all they have ever found, and there have been killers who have videotaped their activities. However my point with this is that no you will not find snuff movies at a shady video dealer or on the internet, if there are any, they are in some evidence locker somewhere.

Thats how I feel but there isn't a single shred of proof to say otherwise until then I remain sceptical. Thats not to say I know 100% that there is no Alien life but so far but lack of evidence seems to prove otherwise. That is how I feel about snuff films..

I do not agree that there is not a shred of evidence for UFOs, remember there have been allot of film footage which have never been debunked. There are people who have lost everything by telling what they have seen, and there have been phenomena observed by thousands of people at once. That off course do not mean that what they have seen is aliens, but to say that there is not a shred of evidence I respectfully disagree with.

Think of it this way, if you had a trial, and the prosecutor said, well we have hours of video of the crime, they have not been verified but a fair selection have not been discredited either, we also have many hundred if not thousands of eye witnesses, we have real records of electrical equipment going haywire and so on, and so on. Do you think the judge would call that not a shred of evidence. Would it be enough to convict, I do not know, but there would be evidence, valid evidence.

Also when you think of how wast space is, the many billions, on billions of galaxies, each with billions of planets, what are the chances that there is not life out there somewhere? To me the question is would aliens have the means or interest to come to Earth rather than is there life on other planets for it seams incredible to me to think Earth is the only planet with life. However whatever or not the videos and eye witness accounts is of aliens or something completely natural that we just can not explain yet, that remains to be seen.

Killers take pictures/make audio recording or take objects from the victims to help recall the act of and thrill of killing for them.

They don't do it to distribute it for financial gain...

There many not be movies made for sale of death and mutilation, that do not means a killer could not film his activities to enjoy later, which have happened. If you say a snuff film is only a film made for profit then I can honestly say I have no evidence or reason to claim they exist, but movies made for the individual or for a small community of sickoes that I find much more believable.

[Jokuc]

Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2p7i...eature=related

[BookZombie]

Thank you for the link seams like an interesting documentary. However I hate the secondary title of it. The Dark Side of Porn. It seams like many things there is one step from porn to snuff whatever it exist or not. There is allot I would call the dark side of porn, snuff however is not it.

[Ferox13]

Originally Posted by BookZombie

However I hate the secondary title of it. The Dark Side of Porn. It seams like many things there is one step from porn to snuff whatever it exist or not. There is allot I would call the dark side of porn, snuff however is not it.

The reason for the secondary title was that it was part of a Channel 4 series called 'The Dark Side of Porn' - the snuff on was an episode in the 2nd series..

[BookZombie]

I did not know that. Thank you for the information. I am still not sure I like it though, but it is far more understandable then.