Calling All Goths

[stubbornforgey]

Originally Posted by mordrid

So Stubby, it is perfectly fine for him to tear into people, but the moment we return fire, we get OMG. Great double standards. He makes his comments on his idea of parenting, we are not allowed to respond back? Oh forgot, he has been here for a long time and we are newbs. Damn my ignorance.

This is probably one of the silliest remarks I have heard lately.
He is as much as anyone on this board is open to stating thier opinion..
Not everyone is going to agree with it 'granted'..but it doesn't mean older members are favoured over anyone else...
There is no personal remark or anyone named in his post..
if you find it highly offensive then fine..!!jst don't accuse me of being two faced about anything.
Does it actually say 'Morbid..your parenting skills suck'..??
puhlease!! :confused:

[Shazbut]

Originally Posted by stubbornforgey

OMG...


Nobody..especially disresputes the way anyone else raises thier own children..
and the comments made from Phan makes sense or doesn't come across
offensive at all.
As parents we all have our own methods of child rearing..
as on lookers to others methods..we will always find faults or criticise...

Have you not once..looked at another parent and criticised the way thier child misbehaves..or the way thier child eats too many sweets..blah blah..etc


So please..

I only find anyone's opinion offensive if they dismiss others responses as *defensive" - everyone has an opinion or pov, right or wrong (depending on said pov), whatever.
I just think it was a little arrogant to be told one is right, so shut up cos it is obvious the response will be defensive as opposed to a constructive debate.

I was defending the right to an opinion without being judged as "on the defense" which could be perceived as *guilty as charged*. :rolleyes:

Did that make sense? It's getting late! :)

[novakru]

Guys, chill-it's all good.
This is just Phallichead trying to piss me off.
It's a personal jab and It won't work, I could care less:D

I am not pushing my kid into anything she doesn't show interest in.
She wants to explore music-it's nothing more than that.

You make a jab at my parenting for that *shrugs* I know my kids are great and I know I do a bang-up job with them :)


Anyway, back on subject....I am going to be listening to alot of the suggestions written here and download some for her to sample.
I already have Bauhaus, The Cure, Sisters of Mercy and NIN.
I think some of the older stuff mentioned I might have on tape, so this is going to be alot of fun cranking out the old tunes.:cool:

[stubbornforgey]

Originally Posted by novakru

Guys, chill-it's all good.
This is just Phallichead trying to piss me off.
It's a personal jab and It won't work, I could care less:D

I am not pushing my kid into anything she doesn't show interest in.
She wants to explore music-it's nothing more than that.

You make a jab at my parenting for that *shrugs* I know my kids are great and I know I do a bang-up job with them :)


Anyway, back on subject....I am going to be listening to alot of the suggestions written here and download some for her to sample.
I already have Bauhaus, The Cure, Sisters of Mercy and NIN.
I think some of the older stuff mentioned I might have on tape, so this is going to be alot of fun cranking out the old tunes.:cool:

LOL..
try and sneak a little ABBA in too sister-boo.'

I just find it incredible how it always comes back to this
' older members opinions takes presidence over us noOb bullshit'

and for goodness sakes ppl..

Can you not read the sarcasm in the comment
thats pissing you off' :rolleyes:


'kicks the stack of boxes over'

[novakru]

Originally Posted by stubbornforgey

LOL..
try and sneak a little ABBA in too sister-boo.'

I just find it incredible how it always comes back to this
' older members opinions takes presidence over us noOb bullshit'

and for goodness sakes ppl..

Can you not read the sarcasm in the comment
thats pissing you off' :rolleyes:


'kicks the stack of boxes over'

ABBA music will one day rule the world.
One day we will all worship in the church of ABBA:cool:

Peace, Harmony and ABBA.

[stubbornforgey]

Originally Posted by novakru

ABBA music will one day rule the world.
One day we will all worship in the church of ABBA:cool:

Peace, Harmony and ABBA.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
'scratches all your ABBA cd's.


LOL.
my girl plays the ABBA greatest hits everytime she does her
homework. :rolleyes:

EM SICK TO DEATH OF WATER FUCKEN LOO'

[novakru]

Originally Posted by stubbornforgey

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
'scratches all your ABBA cd's.


LOL.
my girl plays the ABBA greatest hits everytime she does her
homework. :rolleyes:

EM SICK TO DEATH OF WATER FUCKEN LOO'

:D

*starts to hum...daaancin queeen....*

[stubbornforgey]

Originally Posted by novakru

:D

*starts to hum...daaancin queeen....*

'throws a pack of rotten tomatoes at ya' :p

[Phalanx]

I was about to start this post with "I apologise", but I feel that since I'd only be apologising for people taking things I've said the wrong way, it'd only be on your behalf, so...I'll just get into it.
None of my comments were intended to offend directly, just point out a very obvious issue, which many of you seem to have missed, or ignored due to my approach. Think about it...it's like ignoring valid information from a teacher, because you don't like them, no? Yes, before someone points out the obvious (which they'll no doubt see HERE, even though they're blind to it elsewhere) I am not a teacher. I use the comparison only because I'm providing information which is relevant, whether or not certain people choose to accept it.
You don't like my approach, find me offensive, arrogant, and whatever else, fine...why? Because you are the otherwise nonexistant-to-me people that dwell an internet forum, your opinion, I will not take to heart, nor will I let it stop me from calling you an ass when I think you're being one. You have the right to call me out on any points you feel are valid, and you've done so...however, if all you can do is pick on the way I come across...I wouldn't bother.
Feel free to take a page there.

My comments weren't about parenting in general, they weren't about "the culture is wrong...etc", however, they WERE about the very real bullshit a child, or anyone receives when they adopt this largely negatively perceived culture. Now, I maintain that if this child saw only photos, nothing more than the visual aspects would've registered, and any additional input or information was presented. I really doubt they asked. You don't see a photo of a car and wonder what tunes it's playing, do you? No. Hence, something that could well be a passing phase is being reinforced from an outside party, when you do this, and start letting them cruise related websites...etc...it's further reinforcement, the point I was trying to make. Is it wrong to encourage your child to explore things? Not neccessarily, but I think there's always going to be factors that someone should consider before openly endorsing something that'll potentially bring negative input to your child.
C'mon, you guys KNOW this.
Theres always people, and a lot of them, that see a person so much as dressed in predominately black, and calls them a fucking freak...there's always parents that'll look at your child and wonder "what on earth is wrong with that family!?" There's always teachers and school councellors that will make it their business to get in yours, making reports about what they perceive to be "your bad parenting" even if you're raising a perfectly normal, healthy child (regardless of what they wear and what music they listen to), and there's no wrongdoing on your part whatsoever. Not to mention the other kids. Kids, are largely insensetive little cunts, and constant teasing of anything "different" to them WILL ensue, and WILL effect a child of that age. Take it further than that, and you've got certain authorities wanting to investigate your parenting, something that could only be traumatic.
That is my main point, it's not about exposing them to the wrong thing, it's not about your parenting, it's about this...Does their interest put them in harms way? Does it invite emotional damage? Is your child old enough to be "a goth" at the cost of on the receiving end of all this bullshit, at so young an age?
I DON'T think these issues have been remotely considered, and I think they ought to be, so I have bought them to your attention.
Don't ignore reality because you don't like me personally, if you do, you're a fool - and whoever, can take that however the fuck they like.
There's no hard feelings on my part, so there may as well not be any on yours.

I only find anyone's opinion offensive if they dismiss others responses as *defensive"

Obviously. The responce and counter to offense, is defense. If you found my statement offensive, which you evidently did, then it was a fair assumption that anyone responding with a differing point of view would be on the defense...which isn't a bad thing...because I don't have to be right, in order to bring about a defensive statement. I can know I'm right, without invalidating any counterpoints, and always invite a person to respond. In this case, I said "there's no point" simply because it wouldn't be received by me, because of these issues I've indicated...they will ALWAYS be there no matter how much you'll argue how much a good idea you think it is, you cannot erase the nagative aspects, nor can you convince me that I'm personally incorrect about these issues, because I've seen it time and time again, firsthand.
I mean hey, I'm HERE defending MYself, do I think that makes me wrong? No...just trying to better explain a point to a few folks who seem to have missed it because they don't agree with my other perspectives.
Now, if you have anything else to point out aside from how horrible an asshole I am, feel free. For the record, there's a difference between keeping your child in a closet, and responsible guidance.

And no nova...what I said wasn't just to piss you off....you give yourself way too much credit. You're a person who annoyed me slightly a few years ago, and they got uppity when I pointed out you were being a bitch. Ever since, apparently everything I've ever said to you, or in your thread has been another attempt at a stab in your side. Get the fuck over yourself, yeah? It's SAD.

Stubbs...Vampiric...probably the only two people in here that have tried to understand the overall point I'm making despite the presentation. I commend you on your maturity, and stubbs, I appreciate, and understand your outlook on the issue at hand. Glad to have some people who take some time to think before they post around here;)

Again, no hard feelings folks...I can't say I think it'll happen, but I am not looking for some huge ongoing argument, and I'd prefer it if it wouldn't spill out any further. You had your points, I had mine. Differing opinions. It happens.
....and I'm out.

[stubbornforgey]

Originally Posted by Shazbut

It is called bigotry when someone dismisses a potential debate by labelling a response as defensive. It is also bigoted *arrogance* to assume one is right, simply because other's opinion's and/or philosophies differs from one's own.

I guess if anyone was to defend themselves, you would dismiss it as someone getting upset and defensive of your opinion - when their opinion may well be justified and significant to their own situation.

Wake up, deary :(

Originally Posted by mordrid

Phalanx, guess what, if a child finds an interest, they will explore it. Whether they are seven or seventeen. It is best to help guide and keep the child out of the ugly side of things. The fact Nova is trying to find things SUITABLE for her child and show an interest in what she does says a lot about her. You cannot keep a child in a closet.


You don't have to reply to defend yourself, I know I'm right.

I truly cannot see what you found so offensive about Phans little comment
as to morbids ..