In Order To Be Fair, I Need The Opinions Of EVERY Member Of This Forum...Old And New

[Miss Olivia]

Originally posted by Zero
can i get change??


just kidding :D

You can have my two cents.
I don't really need it.:D

[Despare]

It’s a mods duty to interpret what is a malicious attack and what is simply an opinionated statement. If somebody says they think I’m an opinionated, sarcastic asshole then fine, that’s their opinion; but if somebody dedicates a thread to it or constantly incites me with personal insults in every thread I post in then they’re trying to start something. There has to be some leeway because everybody can’t just “all get along”, that simply isn’t human nature, but we can control ourselves and not make constant verbal assaults.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Vodstok
There is a dog next door. its a friendly dog most of the time, but it doesnt tak emuch to get him going. so you tease it with a stick. You completely deserve it when your mother backhands you for trying to get it riled up.

same here. its based on history, he KNOWS who he is messing with and was doing it to start shit.

Now, if there was no history there and he was just some guy who went back and read the thread and said "you did that? man, what a loser." that would be a completely different thing.

Originally posted by hammerfan
I think you also have to take into consideration the person's intent. It was obvious that desposable was trying to bait cheeba because he knew he could get a rise out of him. It may not have "sounded" malicious, but, again, it was the intent of the post to get under cheeba's skin.

EXTREMELY good points...

But..That makes me feel like we have to be very cautious in every post that we make, and first consider "Okay, so If I say 'this', how will the person I am saying it to respond to it?"...Hmm, actually...Maybe that's not such a bad idea...Duly noted...Thanks, Vod and Hammerfan :)

Originally posted by Phalanx
All I'm saying is, you should back up the rules you put forth, if you intend for them to be taken seriously at all.

Every rule has exceptions...This was actually based on determining the DEGREE of an insult (because, although most forums will not allow you to insult ANYONE in ANY way...We often do it playfully, and sometimes just to express our depth of disagreement or distaste for someone or some thing)...Which was why it was written 'Maliciously attacks', which is obviously a matter of broader perception than we have anticipated...For example: You can tell someone that they're ugly, and they may laugh at you or say "looks don't matter anyway", or say that you're even uglier...Someone else, may be completely crushed by it....This is where 'knowing something about the person you're talking to, and how they may react', comes into play (thanks again, Vod)

Originally posted by Phalanx
I was banned, wasn't I? No argument from me about it.

That was much appreciated...Anyone who is banned should consider WHY they were banned, and accept it (not including the 'mysterious bannings' that were never explained or admitted to (Although, I STILL have my suspicions, and I'm pretty sure I'm right)...That was MAJOR bullshit, BTW

Originally posted by Phalanx

I think any kind of behaviour that is clearly intended to instigate trouble (whether or not you claim afterwards that it's a joke, or you "weren't being serious") or evoke an agrumentative reaction ought to be acted upon.

Okay...So, how about a warning?...One warning, or a 3 strikes thing?...Then banning?...I don't believe that ANYONE here wants to see the page after page bullshit that we have seen in the past...Ideas for how these things should be 'acted upon' will be appreciated

Originally posted by Phalanx

one is left with no choice but to retaliate

I have to disgree with this one...You ALWAYS have a choice...As a matter of fact, it's THAT choice that defines what type of person you are...You CAN choose to 'let it go'...'ignore it'...intelligently defend yourself without being immature, insulting and argumentative...Just say, "fuck you, too" or "I know you are but what am I?"...lol...or "So what?"...Or make a funny remark in response (Newb and Zero are excellent at that :D)...You NEVER have to stoop to someone else's level

Originally posted by crabapple
Here's the thing, Bloodrayne...you're a moderator, right? And you're not a robot, you're a person. Your decision on what "crosses the line" is up to your interpretation. There's NO WAY to accurately DEFINE when something someone types is offensive or malicious. It's purely up to the interpretation of the person looking at it. It's a hard job!

So who decides when something is "meant" with sufficient malicious intent to be objectionable?

You do, because you're the moderator.

Thanks Sweetheart...That was really considerate...But, don't forget..."Absolute power corrupts absolutely"...As a human being, we all have emotions (some more than others), because of that, something that I may decide to do may be seen as an act of 'personal moderating'...I MUCH prefer to take the 'majority rules' route...I think it's a lot more fair...I am NOT a tyrant, or a dictator...And, I feel that EVERYONE'S opinion matters :)

Thanks so much for the input

Originally posted by The Flayed One
"Bloodrayne, you're a fucking annoying idiot. All you do around here is piss people off with your idiotic shit. Either learn to not be such a fucktard, or fuck off?"

Hmm, let's see...What would I say to that?...Well, let me tell ya what happened...Dustin was sitting here reading this with me (he's not a LOT of help on this matter, because he thinks JUST LIKE ME, for the most part), and when we read this...I laughed so hard I choked :D...Dustin laughed, too

Originally posted by The Flayed One
Well, I said basically the same thing, but that time it was obviously to try to bait you into a flame war. It's still the same opinion, but it's intentionally malicious & hurtful.

Another excellent point...very similar to Vod's and Hammerfan's...which goes back to the 'consider WHO you are 'speaking' to, and a possible negative reaction when you post'

Originally posted by The Flayed One
Where do we draw the line? I don't know.

Whatever we decide, we need to think long and hard about it. If this is going to be the example, it's going to need to stick or the whole thing is pointless. .

Exactly...That's why THIS thread was made

Originally posted by The Flayed One
I don't want to have to sit through a bunch of people spewing bile at each other

And THAT'S why the 'It Stops Now' thread was made

Originally posted by The Flayed One
I also want to be able to tell someone they're being annoying without fear of being banned.

That's what I am SERIOUSLY trying to keep from happening (the fear of being banned, just for speaking your mind...That's bullshit)...To EVERYONE

Originally posted by slasherman
..the only reason to ban someone is when somebody deliberately tries to sabotage this forum...namecalling and such must be tolerated...even words like; loser, you fucking whore, fucking noob, cocksucker......spamming is sabotage....

Babe...I love you, but...WTF?!:D...And yeah, spamming just seems very insulting to the forum..."Hey, I want you all to be interested in MY SHIT, but I'm not interested in YOUR FORUM, thanks, bye bye"...Assholes

Originally posted by Phalanx
First of all, I think everybody can draw the line between a bit of ball-busting among friends and associates, and an insult/insinuation/statement of malicious intent.

Well...I was HOPING so, anyway...

Originally posted by Phalanx
As for profanity...I personally don't think "cunt" "cocksucker", and any or all insults/words of a derogatory nature in regard to sexual preferance, or race should be ablt to enter into the forum.

I think there's certain limits to the profanity that should be enforced..

I honestly don't believe those words are EVER truly used in that context here...Not literally...I don't believe that if someone calls someone a 'Mother Fucker', that they are trying to insinuate that someone is having an incestious relationship, nor do I believe that when someone says "Fuck You", they are making an offer to have sex with them...I think choosing which WORDS you can, and cannot say, is way too much censorship...However, the 'N' word, is ALWAYS incendiary and never needs to be used in ANY context

Originally posted by Zero

I don't think there is any logic in the claim that the letter of the law must be absolute or the law is meaningless. No system of actual jurisprudence functions that way - there are interpretations of the law, precedents, case-law, etc. All these are ways of saying that a given community has rules but always applies those rules to a given situation in ways that are sensitive to the particulars of that situation.

This was MY point :)

Originally posted by Zero
What is really at stake here - I think - is whether we want to put the power of interpreting the rules and applying them to a given situation in the hands of the moderators.
The only viable alternative to the dilemma is to have some neutral third party decide on rule violations. .

That's why I'm bringing this to you guys...I believe that we can effectively acheive 'neutrality', by averaging the opinions of the majority...Know what I mean?

Originally posted by Zero
people can either get along or at least stay out of each other's way.

Ive been saying that for 3 years, Sweetie...I feel ya

Thanks for ALL of what you said...I hope others take it into consideration as well

I'm going to have to respond to the rest of you guys in a seperate post...Actually ran out of room! :eek: ...That's NEVER happened before

[The Flayed One]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Hmm, let's see...What would I say to that?...Well, let me tell ya what happened...Dustin was sitting here reading this with me (he's not a LOT of help on this matter, because he thinks JUST LIKE ME, for the most part), and when we read this...I laughed so hard I choked :D...Dustin laughed, too

Hmmm, in retrospect, maybe it wasn't the best example using ME saying it to YOU. Actually, I was laughing while I typed it. Oh well, such is the way of us "fucktards" on HDC:D

[The Flayed One]

BTW, just as a "food for thought" question:

If we decide that Dep needs to be banned over this, where does that leave a good majority of us with the way we treat ThomasGeorge? I mean, seriously, the guy seems to take it in stride, but almost EVERYONE here insults him in almost every thread he makes.

[Vodstok]

For some reason that reminds me of High Plains Drifter....

[The STE]

which was a precursor to The Gate in that it used to be my answer for every "What movie was this?" thread

[Vodstok]

You at least understand my reference, right?

[The STE]

yea

[ItsAlive75]

The core of this group is tightly knit enough, I think, to get away with a lot of profanity and strong subject matter. And we take full advantage of it too; I think it's safe to say that we're a very harsh crowd when compared to other forums or chatrooms or internet whatcha-macallem's.

That being said, dulling this place down would be like putting a gun to our heads... suiciiiiiide. We need the loose lingo, the slingin' slander. It's what makes (or made, in the eyes of some) this forum interesting and unique.

Now, I'm not saying we should be able to badmouth everyone and anyone we choose. Calling folks "cunts" and "asswads" and "trannies" when there's really no point is just dumb, and it should be taken to a group of 13 year old boys if a laugh is what you're looking for. I say we go by the honor system; if you hate somebody and want to give em' the old verbal haymaker, do it in a PM or through some other form of communication. Example: Hellboy/Trippin and myself absolutely despised each other for our own personal reasons, but we made it a point very early (through PM's) to keep it out of the forum for everyone else's sake. I still hated him, but I had a lot of respect for the guy that he didn't want our fued to disrupt the forum.

So there's my advice. We all know there's rivalries here, we all know there's tension between members and groups. But banning won't do much of anything; we need to grow up and keep the trouble out of the spotlight.