I've got a question for those who seen Italian cannibal movies.

[PR3SSUR3]

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[gorefreak]

Originally posted by ChEEbA
We probably meant the same thing, from two different viewpoints.



Nope, generally I won't kill anything unless it's an infestation or something. More often than not, where I live, it'll be a large spider...I'd never kill a spider. Far too useful.
However, if I actually kill something (usually fleas on my cat, or flies, using spray/powder) there's some measure of neccessity, eg - they are making my house unconfortable or filthy, it's the same thing I said before in regards to eating meat - there's no comparison. Sure, in the case of sadist fucks that chase down and kill everything in their immediate area, they'd probably love seeing much the same in film, but not me.



I didn't like the film...like I said, that was just my opinion. I'm not telling anyone they shouldn't watch it, so I'm not really condemning the film, rather, I'm condemning those that made it.

I'll definitely kill spiders if I see em, especially the hunting ones that roam around like yellow sac spiders. They're venomous, although not nearly as bad as a recluse, but bad enough as far as I'm concerned. And web spinners just as well. I certainly don't need em layin eggs, hatching, breeding, layin eggs, hatching, breeding.... screw that, I don't care how useful they are. Outside however, I couldn't care less. In fact, I saw a totally kick ass struggle between an american funnel weaver and an ear wig in the back yard. Ol Spidey bit Wig like 6 times, walked around it 4 or 5 times with webbing and figured it was subdued enough and dragged it to the opening of its burrow. Wig tilted its body, took its pincers and clawed the shit out of spidey and both died. :D Spidey fell out of its web and wig died like 3 minutes later. :)

As for the "animal killings", I suppose I'm kinda indifferent in a way. True, killing animals is kinda sad, but as far as cultures that live with nothing, that's basically their source of pelts and food. And I've heard that some of the "killings" from some of those movies was actually clips from nature shows that study on cultural ways of living. But, nonetheless, it should be done in a humane manner, not with the animal screeching and yelping in excruciating pain. Lots of people shoot deer, elk and other game, but it's sickeningly shameful when it's done simply for "the sport of it".

Originally posted by doctor satan
The scene where they kill the turtle in CH, Its done for shock value but they reported that it was eaten afterwards & it was killed humanely, For me the scene with the musk rat was far more disturbing the actor is sawing at it & takes 3-4 stabs at it before it dies its squealing the whole time. Umberto Lenzi once said when Francis ford Coppola kills that cow in the climax of Apocalypse now its art, When he kills an animal its animal cruelty........ Thing is i don't remember FFC tying a monkey to a stake & practically force feeding it to a python like he did in FEROX.
One thing i had to laugh at while watching the extras on CH, the actors & the camera man said they did 'nt realise what was going on until it was too late & if they had they would have stopped it.

Actually, the creature didn't die in "Cannibal Ferrox". Lenzi was like "No, no.... let him eat" and the movie crew was like "If that animal dies, we walk off the set". It's been a long time since I saw that movie. Weren't some of the animals already dead and they filmed em cutting the skins off?

[PR3SSUR3]

With issues about the cruel animal killings in Deodato and Lenzi's cannibal movies, the buck stops with them - most of the contientious scenes were under the control of these directors, even if you include Lenzi's plundering of earlier footage in his Eaten Alive.

That some of the notorious footage might have been culled from other sources is irrelevant - other creatures were still slaughtered or led to their deaths during the making of the films in question for the sole purpose of entertainment.

These real atrocities within fantasy stories will always remain dispriting, and attitudes towards the directors should remain rightfully varied.

[Zombee]

Im kind of in the middle on this .. with CGI and all the new fandagled ways of creating effects I guess there is no reason to kill animals on film now. But then again whats done is done in the case of CH etc.

[Mr. Smooth]

I think that it is wrong to kill the animals in the movies. Now, I only have seen 'Holocaust' and 'Ferox', but considering the time when these films were made, it may have not been that big of a deal. Also, these are foreign films, and they may have different rules regarding this, again though referring back to the era that they were made.

[PR3SSUR3]

Cannibal Holocaust was banned in its country of origin (Italy) against a law forbidding cruelty to animals - it was later overturned.

It's probably right that blatant animal violence is less tolerated in today's society - imagine someone making a film like this now, complete with similar scenes?

Having said that, the thought of likes of Industrial Light & Magic crafting CGI sequences to represent, say, a muskrat or alligator being stabbed to death by a human would be very strange... and very disturbing.

[doctor satan]

[i]Originally posted by gorefreak
Actually, the creature didn't die in "Cannibal Ferrox". Lenzi was like "No, no.... let him eat" and the movie crew was like "If that animal dies, we walk off the set". It's been a long time since I saw that movie. Weren't some of the animals already dead and they filmed em cutting the skins off? [/B]

Your'e wrong, it was all real, listen to the audio commentary between umberto lenzi & Giovanni Radice. Lenzi's trying to justify it by comparing it to Apocalypse now & Radice says he's actually ashamed of the film.
by the way when i said it was real, i meant the animal slaughter i don't want certain people to get confused..........