Torture

[Vodstok]

Decapitation worked really well for a long time, and there is no chance that the person will live through it or have a long agaonizing death.

And not to beat a dead horse, but Capital punishment is not for deterrance, it is for punishment. it is taking out the garbage.

[Iniquity]

Originally posted by urgeok
no it is never right to take another life ... but sometimes it is just.

very well said

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Iniquity
While I partially agree with you on the basis of degradation I still cant help but feel that certain practices no matter how brutal can be used to extract information needed to save others, however as I said in a previous post, I dont feel it has any merit after 24 hours. Take Iraq for instance, I found it deplorable and dishonorable that the "soldiers" regardless of whom they took their orders from were acting with immaturity and ignorance and should pay for their actions. BUT, I only feel that way because those prisoners had already been processed and those soldiers were there for "baby sitting" purposes only. Its during the first 24 hours before those involved can make changes, and other plans that the information extracted through means of torture will be most viable, after that, its second hand, and totally useless. The insurgents are fighting "their war" they know the game far better than we do. I see no point in trying to get someone to give up information that is of no use. Its like beating them to find out what they had for dinner yesterday. Who cares, move on and get your info elsewhere.

i believe they can do it pretty effectively with drugs ..

i believe also that this is the right thing to do - by any means neccessary if the end result is to save lives.

drastic measures for drastic times.
the noble idea of 'rising above' doesnt wash if the other side isnt listening or learning.

[Vodstok]

Again, for anyone who thinks a apthological criminal can be "rehibilitated", read this:


http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k...r/index_1.html


Giving a sociopath another chance is simply giving them another chance to offend, plain and simple.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by Iniquity
While I partially agree with you on the basis of degradation I still cant help but feel that certain practices no matter how brutal can be used to extract information needed to save others, however as I said in a previous post, I dont feel it has any merit after 24 hours. Take Iraq for instance, I found it deplorable and dishonorable that the "soldiers" regardless of whom they took their orders from were acting with immaturity and ignorance and should pay for their actions. BUT, I only feel that way because those prisoners had already been processed and those soldiers were there for "baby sitting" purposes only. Its during the first 24 hours before those involved can make changes, and other plans that the information extracted through means of torture will be most viable, after that, its second hand, and totally useless. The insurgents are fighting "their war" they know the game far better than we do. I see no point in trying to get someone to give up information that is of no use. Its like beating them to find out what they had for dinner yesterday. Who cares, move on and get your info elsewhere.

People admit to murders the didn't commit all the time. I don't agree with some of the ways they get their information. A confession made while being interrogated shouldn't be worth anything imo.



urgeok: executions cost way more tax dollars than lifetime incarcerations. I think 2-3 times more.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
People admit to murders the didn't commit all the time. I don't agree with some of the ways they get their information. A confession made while being interrogated shouldn't be worth anything imo.



urgeok: executions cost about 3 times more tax dollars than lifetime incarcerations.

Can you provid eus with some credible statistics for that? maybe a website?

i have never seen any satisfactory evidence of this. I have heard the argument more times than i can count, but have never seen it backed up with a shred of evidence.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X
People admit to murders the didn't commit all the time. I don't agree with some of the ways they get their information. A confession made while being interrogated shouldn't be worth anything imo.



urgeok: executions cost way more tax dollars than lifetime incarcerations. I think 2-3 times more.

point one .. yeah - thats the sticky part ...

point two .. there has to be a way more efficient way to
kill someone than a lifetime of free accomodations.
a bullet in the head and a quick cremation.
then ...flush

[movieman64]

I've worked at the Indiana Dept of Correction for over 18 years. I know you will all think I'm biased, but nothing works! You have a few who do turn their lives around, but they are very few, and very far between...and I'm talking about all degrees and types of crimes. As a Lieutenant, I've never worked the Death Squad, but I have worked security at an execution. The executin itself may be painless, (injection) but the time leading up to the actual execution is anything but painless. I still support capital punishment though.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by Vodstok
Can you provid eus with some credible statistics for that? maybe a website?

i have never seen any satisfactory evidence of this. I have heard the argument more times than i can count, but have never seen it backed up with a shred of evidence.

http://dpa.state.ky.us/library/advoc.../dppotter.html

"6. The death penalty is enormously costly, strains the budgets of both state and local governments and diverts funds from more effective crime control strategies and victim assistance programs. This is true in all jurisdictions regardless of state statute. The cost of executions exceeds the cost of life imprisonment by a factor of better than two to one in every jurisdiction studied. And this enormous cost is borne by the taxpayers for a crime control policy that only makes violent crime worse."

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally posted by urgeok
point one .. yeah - thats the sticky part ...

point two .. there has to be a way more efficient way to
kill someone than a lifetime of free accomodations.
a bullet in the head and a quick cremation.
then ...flush

lol I say throw them off a cliff, that doesn't cost anything. :p