a hypothetical...

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
If these people want to die because of their faith, let them. Maybe they'll take their dark ages beliefs with them and we can finally move on.

The problem is that most of the time the people that are affected are the children of these crazy people. We just can't stand by and watch them suffer because of their parent's stupidity.

[Stingy Jack]

Well, all you gotta do as a doctor in that situation is turn to the parents and say: "Look. It is in God's plan that I save this child using the methods that God led us, as his children, to discover. So back the fuck up. By the way, God says that I can only do this for your kid and not for you."

[Egekrusher]

If only it were that simple.

[Stingy Jack]

Yeah, I know. Personally, I think it's a BAD idea to involve children in ANY form of religion. And that means taking your kids to church and telling them that stuff is true. I mean, that's just brainwashing. Children aren't mature enough to come to decisions about their metaphysical beliefs, and most people never even have the chance to make that choice for themselves. I know that plenty of people will tell you that they CHOSE Christianity, or whatever ... but there's something to be said about the fact that people tend to become whatever religion it was their parents were. If you take your average Christian and question him, he will probably tell you that his parents brought him to church when he was a kid, etc. etc. Then you ask him: "Do you think you would choose Christianity if you grew up in Indiana in the house of parents who followed Hinduism?" And he will tell you: "Yes, I would." But, that's bullshit. He would probably have followed Hinduism. I don't think religion should be presented as truth to anyone ... let alone children. But, if we're going to have religion, at least keep it tucked away until the kid is old enough to understand the deeper meanings of religion and choose one on his own. That's truly choosing Christ of your own free will (or ... whatever).

[Egekrusher]

Amen.

[fluffho]

thats the main prob i have religion. majority of them start from the day your born and it SUCKS cuz they basically teach yuo how lucky you wereto be born catholic/witness/etc and how everyone else who wasdnt born tthis way and dont convert will go to hell.

not that hell sounds so scary to me but to a small child suuure..

anyway that is exactly why i aint forcin my child into shit (not that i have a religoin to force them into anyway) once they are older MAYBE i will mention it to them and on their own they can figure out whatever the hell they want. of course ill be there to guide them i mean if my kid came hom e 'i want to be a witness' hmm id most likely beat the crap out of em

a lot of rules from back in those times though arose not only from myth but necessity. for example, good friday how you dont eat meat. well think about it, meat is expensive... spend a day not eating it. so perhaps this had something to do with the fact that transfusions can be dangerous? the bible also says not to eat meat that is too bloody and duh raw meat isnt exactly the safest thing for us.

OH YEH i remmebered what i was gonna say. they are completely against abortion. i even gave her the question 'ok lets say some dude comes into your house, holds you at gunpoint, ties yuo up and tortures and murders you family in front of u.. then rapes yuo saying he wants you to remmeber him forever. then leaves u. you get pregnant.. would you keep the baby?'

she said yes, she would.

actually, her grandmother was raped.. conceiving her mother. raped becuase..... she was a witness :rolleyes:

[Stingy Jack]

I've pretty much discovered that it's impossible to keep my child from being exposed to Christianity ... especially here in the South. I let her go eat lunch at a friend's house, and the next thing I know she comes home and starts praying over her meals. I told her not to do something unless she knows what it means. Once, I picked her up from day care and she was singing all sorts of shit about God because they made her listen to "Veggie Tales" tunes.

And of course if I said anything to any of these people about our family's religious beliefs, they would either try that much harder to press Christ on her, or not allow her to play with any of their kids at all.

Yes, folks ... Discrimination is alive and well!

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Yes, folks ... Discrimination is alive and well!

In the South?!?! I refuse to believe that.....;)


I watched a thing on A&E last night about Polygamy. it was sickening. I wont get into it, but the more i hear about it, the worse it gets....

I acutally was asked to leave several classes in Vacation Bible school as a kid. The only reason i went was because my parents wanted me to be able to do something over the summer. After the first week, my parents pulled me, and the teachers were happy to see me go. I asked too many questions......

[Stingy Jack]

Surprisingly enough, I have no problems with a man taking more than one wife ... or a wife taking more than one husband, for that matter. Just as long as all parties involved are emotionally stable enough to accept and co-exist in such a situation. I honestly don't see where it's the government's business when it comes to how many women I have living in the house with me. In fact, polygamy is more easily justified through evolutionary terms than it is through religion. I mean, men are programmed with the desire to sleep with as many women as possible, in order to increase reproduction. Most of us who are civilized are able to curb that instinct, but it is still there ... lurking in the shadows.

I'll never take more than one wife, though. I can't stand the one I have. :D Just kidding. Really, though. I can imagine all the fights I would have to deal with ... and the nagging being increased two-fold. Yikes!! :eek:

[Vodstok]

The fact that they use religion to back them up is my #1 problem. Also, the thing i was watching last night showed how they almost always degenerate into abusive relationships. A sickening number of the husbands chose to "initiate" their daughters anywhere from age 18 down to 3 and 5......

I imagine it is great and not at all harmful for many people....