Forced Recycling

[illdojo]

My girlfriend recycles, so I guess I recycle too. She's made me better @ it. I've noticed myself doing it away from home. I do think it's beneficial for the planet, but I don't think it should be forced. Just another way for "them" to control us. ;)

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally Posted by urgeok2

i do believe in recycling ...

living in a city the size of toronto - seeing them struggle to find places that will accept the trash (for money) is pretty sad.


my neighbourhood just went through a test for the last few months where we had to use transparent bags for garbage.

metal and recyclable plastics went in one bin, paper and cardboard went in another - and food garbage/kleenex/animal litter went into a green bin.

whatever was left went into the clear bags.

yeah it took more time and was a pain in the ass to do but i found that the more care we took to seperate these things, the very little 'true garbage' there was left.

i dont think we're doing it to save money - we're doing it to be better global citizens. when we see what the 'real garbage' is - i think you'll see the government and businesses finding ways to reduce that even more.

its not perfect yet - but its a big important first step.


dinosaurs - big giant fuckers who's every day existence was an eat or be eaten fight for survival lived on this planet for about 250 million years and left it pretty much the way they found it.

for a teeny fraction of that time humans have turned it into a garbage dump that gets worse every second. I'm all for being part of the solution.

toronto is struggling to find places to dump garbage? seems like big news. do you have any links to this, I'd like to read about it.

"we're doing it to be better global citizens."

how is it making us better global citizens though?

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally Posted by scouse mac

Recycling is a extremely easy here. The council provide two bins, one for landfill waste and the other for recycle which includes all types of tins, plastics, paper and glass. They provide a list of things that cant be recycled but its very easy to follow.

One week they collect the landfill stuff and the second week they collect the recycle stuff. As its so easy there's no excuse for not recycling here and those that dont should be forced to live in the shit they help create.

not a lot of facts in this thread supporting the environmental benefits of recycling, a lot of "if you don't recycle, you're stupid and ruining the earth" though.

[scouse mac]

Why do you need hard facts to justify this? You're an intelligent person so someone stating the obvious surely isnt needed?

How about a basic example: recycle paper means fewer trees have to be cut down, less transportation and processing also which reduces pollution and preserves habitats for plants and animals. Clearly beneficial.

It can be said that the process of recycling also produces pollution but Im certain, without knowing hard facts and figures, that the positives far outweighs the negatives.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally Posted by scouse mac

Why do you need hard facts to justify this? You're an intelligent person so someone stating the obvious surely isnt needed?

How about a basic example: recycle paper means fewer trees have to be cut down, less transportation and processing also which reduces pollution and preserves habitats for plants and animals. Clearly beneficial.

It can be said that the process of recycling also produces pollution but Im certain, without knowing hard facts and figures, that the positives far outweighs the negatives.

paper is made from pulpwood, which comes from soft wood trees such as pines, not from the mighty oaks or from old grown forests. There is land set aside for these trees to be grown and they are grown and re grown over and over making it a renewable resource.

creating new paper is a very simple process, recycling paper is not so easy. It has to be collected, cleaned, shredded and treated chemically before it can be turned into a paper that is of lesser quality. The treatment of recycled paper uses more chemicals than the original paper did, which is bad for the environment.

all in all, the recycled paper costs more than paper directly from wood pulp. The only reason the end cost is lower is because the government subsidizes its production, passing the additional costs onto taxpayer. So if recycled paper costs more to produce, causes higher tax rates, increases chemical pollution, why am I stupid to question the idea?

I'm not trying to convince people that I'm right, I'm trying to find someone who can convince me otherwise. I mean it is recycling and everyone thinks it's so great, surely there must be facts supporting why such a beneficial process is better than using landfills.

[Ferox13]

paper is made from pulpwood, which comes from soft wood trees such as pines, not from the mighty oaks or from old grown forests. There is land set aside for these trees to be grown and they are grown and re grown over and over making it a renewable resource.

creating new paper is a very simple process, recycling paper is not so easy. It has to be collected, cleaned, shredded and treated chemically before it can be turned into a paper that is of lesser quality. The treatment of recycled paper uses more chemicals than the original paper did, which is bad for the environment.

Yes a lot of people seem to forget this.

Also people seem to confuse recyling with 'saving money' - i think for the majority of products its cheaper to start from scratch than to recyle ( I think Alluminium and other metals are the exception).

I'll try have a look around to find some links.

[scouse mac]

Originally Posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X

all in all, the recycled paper costs more than paper directly from wood pulp. The only reason the end cost is lower is because the government subsidizes its production, passing the additional costs onto taxpayer. So if recycled paper costs more to produce, causes higher tax rates, increases chemical pollution, why am I stupid to question the idea?

I'm not trying to convince people that I'm right, I'm trying to find someone who can convince me otherwise. I mean it is recycling and everyone thinks it's so great, surely there must be facts supporting why such a beneficial process is better than using landfills.

You make a good point, especially with regard to cost. Although Ive always thought that if something can be reused then it should be ahead of throwing it away and making something from fresh materials.

It helps that its so easy to recycle here and it doesnt take up any time to sort it.

[X¤MurderDoll¤X]

Originally Posted by scouse mac

You make a good point, especially with regard to cost. Although Ive always thought that if something can be reused then it should be ahead of throwing it away and making something from fresh materials.

It helps that its so easy to recycle here and it doesnt take up any time to sort it.

lucky. it's a complicated and forced system over here.

I definitely agree that reusing something is better than throwing it away and making something new with fresh materials. I reuse whatever I can. :)

I know some people who never re-use containers because they think that the more things they recycle, the more they are doing to HELP out the environment. :(

ask some people you know about what they know about recycling, it might surprise you.

here is my strategy to help the environment, it's simple like the three R's.

STOP LIVING LIKE FUCKING PIGS

[urgeok2]

Originally Posted by X¤MurderDoll¤X

toronto is struggling to find places to dump garbage? seems like big news. do you have any links to this, I'd like to read about it.

"we're doing it to be better global citizens."

how is it making us better global citizens though?

google : toronto Shipping Garbage .. you'll get a ton of hits.


i probably should have used a different term .. better 'tennants of the earth'
is what i was shooting for... when we're forced - by law - to examine our own waste .. some of us might make enough better choices to start making a difference.

i recycle far more food waste than i did before ... and we tend to avoid over packaged materials. every little bit helps - hopefully overall the social conciousness will be raised enough to make it a new standard of living.


I have a natural adversity to authority and big brother myself - but some things make enough sense to be made into law...

[missmacabre]

and in case you don't want to google it, i will vouch for Urge. It's been in the news quite a bit the past few years, Toronto ships its garbage to other places through out the GTA.