Torture

[Elvis_Christ]

Originally posted by evil_blonde
You live in New Zealand! Me too ;)

Hey! How's it going? Where in NZ are from?

[Gren the cake]

Originally posted by Elvis_Christ
society doesn't have the money to spend on this so it won't happen.

which is exactly the main reason i am against the death penalty. well ok, perhaps not the MAIN reason but it sure as hell plays a big fuckin role

we dont have unlimited cash, were in mad debt, esp now due to the war. look at all the cuts education is getting for example, when it is mUCH cheaper to house someone in jail the rest of their life (25 yeras in prison $500,000 vs. capital punishment 2.1 Million).

anyway, u got to be stupid to not realize that the bulk of people who commit this shit, who are IN prisons right now... come from low income......low social status... little to NO education..

hmmmmmm....

[Vodstok]

The death penalty does act as a deterrent to some people. The fear of getting raped is all some others need. Everyone is different, so different punishments have different effects. Does it stop all of them? Obviously not.

Some criminals can be rehibilitated, but anyone who commits a pathological crime cant be. Child molesters, serial killers, serial rapists, people who commit crimes for the sheer thrill of it... Most of those people are sociopaths. The groundwork for being a good person does not exist in those people.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Vodstok
The death penalty does act as a deterrent to some people. The fear of getting raped is all some others need. Everyone is different, so different punishments have different effects. Does it stop all of them? Obviously not.

Some criminals can be rehibilitated, but anyone who commits a pathological crime cant be. Child molesters, serial killers, serial rapists, people who commit crimes for the sheer thrill of it... Most of those people are sociopaths. The groundwork for being a good person does not exist in those people.

yeah sex offenders ... especially pedophiles .. there isnt a cure ..
its like asking Vod so suddenly stop being interested in large breasts.

it is probably the strongest most uncontrollable force in their life.

I agree that rehabilitation is possible for a few .. crooks who had a bad upbringing - never had a chance from birth because of shitty family situations, etc ...


But sexual predators .. are damaged goods ..cant be fixed.
I'd love someone to show me an exception.

just this morning .. there was report of a 65 year old man being put back into our system .. after 40 years of repeat offenses ..raping minors.

the only cure for this sick fuck is obviously some soft lead propelled straight through his bread basket.

now lets see if i can find the god damn reply button on this fucking messed up thread.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by urgeok
yeah sex offenders ... especially pedophiles .. there isnt a cure ..
its like asking Vod so suddenly stop being interested in large breasts.

It may sound funny, but that really is a good example. I cant explain it, big boobs just turn on the lust switch and i get a one track mind. Pity my poor wife.

I can understand where these people come from, but it's not like i go out grabbing every big set of cans i come across. Just my wife's :)

I think what happened to Jeffrey Dahmer and the pedophile preist who was killed by the skinhead in prison got what was coming to them.

Sometimes bad thiongs happen to bad people

[Iniquity]

Originally posted by Gren the cake
No.

first of all, elvis is completely right. Death penalty is NOT a deterrent to crime. fact is, a lot of these people have not hing better for them

also, if we were to start torturing criminals, it would put us on the level of saddam hussein. is that where we want to be?

Sorry but, hmmmm on second thought, no Im not. That comment, while it is your opinion is about the most retarded thing Ive ever heard. We kill criminals, you know, those people that murder others? etc etc. Saddam killed ANYONE, be it a particular color he didnt care for, maybe the sun wan shining, he had too much chocolate whatever.

Let me see you have your family burtally murdered, after of course being sadistically raped, eyes removed, tortured for hours, all the while yours or anyone else scared lil ass is hiding in a closet to avoid being the next victim, then when its all said and done and the time comes to sentence to death by whatever means, decide how "moral and right" it is then. I fully support the death penalty, though the wee bit of punk asses that want it on TV would shit their pants most likely at the sight of it.

I do not however condone torturing prisoners, well at least after the first 24 hours of captivity.

[Kemal]

Torture is degrading to everybody involved, not to mention the fact that it violates international law and reduces us to the level of countries that we condemn for human rights abuses.

I do believe in some kind of retribution though, and I do believe in capital punishment. No, I don't think it deters anybody. But there are a lot of people out there who are beyond rehabilitation of any type. They're not sick. They know exactly what they're doing - they just don't care. Those people simply deserve to die. No need to make the process overly complicated or painful - just shoot them.

[ShankS]

I say bring back the Victorian stocks... nothing like a good old Sunday afternoon trip, down at the local market with a sack of rotten old vegetables, to thow at the criminals all chained up... public flogging is the best way... degrade the scum in public.

[Iniquity]

Originally posted by Kemal
Torture is degrading to everybody involved, not to mention the fact that it violates international law and reduces us to the level of countries that we condemn for human rights abuses.

While I partially agree with you on the basis of degradation I still cant help but feel that certain practices no matter how brutal can be used to extract information needed to save others, however as I said in a previous post, I dont feel it has any merit after 24 hours. Take Iraq for instance, I found it deplorable and dishonorable that the "soldiers" regardless of whom they took their orders from were acting with immaturity and ignorance and should pay for their actions. BUT, I only feel that way because those prisoners had already been processed and those soldiers were there for "baby sitting" purposes only. Its during the first 24 hours before those involved can make changes, and other plans that the information extracted through means of torture will be most viable, after that, its second hand, and totally useless. The insurgents are fighting "their war" they know the game far better than we do. I see no point in trying to get someone to give up information that is of no use. Its like beating them to find out what they had for dinner yesterday. Who cares, move on and get your info elsewhere.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Kemal
Torture is degrading to everybody involved, not to mention the fact that it violates international law and reduces us to the level of countries that we condemn for human rights abuses.

I do believe in some kind of retribution though, and I do believe in capital punishment. No, I don't think it deters anybody. But there are a lot of people out there who are beyond rehabilitation of any type. They're not sick. They know exactly what they're doing - they just don't care. Those people simply deserve to die. No need to make the process overly complicated or painful - just shoot them.

its more that - they dont deserve to live ...
The hve no right to the life that they were given.

I favor the death penalty for 3 reasons

1) absolutely no chance of re-offending
2) no tax payers money wasted on these assholes
3) closure for the survivors.


i understand and want to agree with those that are opposed to it
but i see it as a difference between what is right and what is just.

no it is never right to take another life ... but sometimes it is just.